>> russian spy agencies deployed sophisticated hacking tools the kind by the nsa to break into organizations in the past year. u.s. officials tell cnn that this is part of the reason why intelligence officials are believed persistently that russian president vladimir putin ordered the information campaign that targeted the presidential campaign. investigators haven't found evidence directly linking back to putin but officials believe because of the nature of the operation, he would have had to give the orders on what to do with the stolen e-mails. intelligence agencies have collected more evidence, including from human sources to back up these assessments. they first made in october that only the most senior members of the russian government could have ordered this operation. and hacking hasn't stopped. law enforcement sources tell cnn that the fbi is now investigating hacking attempts after the election targeting clinton campaign staffers. campaign officials tell cnn that they recently received notices

as recently as last week indicating attempts to get into their private e-mail accounts. officials say that despite russian expectations of better relations with the incoming trump administration, alisyn, they expect the russian hacking activity will continue largely unabated. >> thank you for that reporting. we'll get into it more as the program progresses. how will president obama fight back? first, let's bring in suzanne malveaux live at the white house. what do you expect, suzan? >> president obama is vowing retailiation for the hacking and influencing the u.s. presidential election. now, president obama says in an npr interview it was back in september. a g-20 summit. a sideline meeting he had with russian president vladimir putin confronting him about this cybersecurity threat. it was in october. intelligence analysts publicly

named russia as involved as responsible for the hacking and vowed a proportional response. take a listen. >> i think there is no doubt that when any foreign government tries to impact the integrity of our elections that we need to take action. and we will. at a time and place of our own choosing. some of it may be explicit and publicized. some of it may not be. but mr. putin is well aware of my feelings about this because i spoke to him directly about it. >> so, the president does not give a timetable or the specifics, but there are a number of options that he could take. he could privately and publicly shame russia, which he has already done. he can also impose additional sanctions and perhaps own a cybersecurity threat from the united states' point of view. but no details at this point. there is a press conference

around 2:15 or so. he's going to be getting a lot of questions about this later. chris? >> suzanne, thank you very much. part of the danger here is that national security is getting lost in politics. the president-elect, donald trump, has denied putin's hand in this situation. a sign of the growing rift between the president-elect and the obama administration over the role of the kremlin and putin in our election. cnn sara murray has the latest on that story. sara in. >> good morning, chris. that warm, fuzzy feeling we may have had for a few minutes when the obama administration wanted to play nicely with the trump administration appears to be evaporating a little bit and donald trump is playing a hand in that, as well. going after white house press secretary. a week of russia revelations and donald trump's denials creating a rift between incoming and outgoing administration. >> this foolish guy josh earnest. >> reporter: the president-elect taking shots at president

obama's press secretary. >> he is so bad the way he delivers their message. he can deliver a positive message and it sounds bad. he could say, ladies and gentlemen, today we have totally defeated isis and it wouldn't sound good. >> reporter: lashing out after the white house sharply criticized trump's continued dismissal of intelligence about moscow's election meddling. >> mr. trump, obviously knew that russia engaged in malicious cyberactivity that was helping him and hurting secretary clinton's campaign. >> the president is very positive, but he's not positive. and i mean maybe he's getting his orders from somebody else. >> reporter: russia putting a strain on the roller coaster relationship between trump and obama. the two attempting a show of unity for a smooth transition after a bitter campaign. now, tensions rising between the camps. fueled in part by trump's tweet accusing the white house of only complaining about the hacking after hillary clinton lost.

but, in fact, in early october, the intelligence community was saying they were "confident russia was behind the dnc hack." clinton herself addressing the hacking for the first time since the election. telling donors that russian president vladimir putin's grudge against her prompted the attack against the dnc. this as clinton's former campaign chair john podesta penned a scathing rebuke of the fbi's handling of the hack. writing in "the washington post" when the fbi discovered the russian attack in september 2015, it failed to send even a single agent to warn senior democratic national committee officials. adding something is deeply broken at the bureau. podesta's criticism echoed by outgoing senate minority leader harry reid. >> i think it's about time that comey acknowledged publicly that he's done nothing except interfering with the election. he's become such a partisan,

that he should become the new chair of the rnc. >> reporter: still efforts to put politics aside and assure there is a smooth transition of power. reince priebus who is the incoming chief of staff is meeting today at the white house with dennis mcdonough, the outgoing chief of staff for president obama. as well as rahm emanuel, the mayor who was president obama's first white house chief of staff. back to you, alisyn and chris. >> thank you for that reporting. we want to discuss all of this with our political panel let's bring in "washington post" columnist josh rogan and monica langley and cnn counterterrorism analyst and phil mudd. great to have all of you here for this very important conversation. josh, so, we have heard now for weeks, maybe months, that russia was somehow involved in hacking into the dnc's computers and somehow possibly thereby swaying the election. what is new here? what is the bombshell today?

>> what we've got now is more official confirmation that went to thihoost leve highest level russian government. not as if russian government hackers are freelancing. this can only be done with top level political cover and getting more intelligence and more sources among the intelligence community and the white house press secretary is going on. we're moving past the point of the discussion where did the russians do it and moving to, okay, what do we do about it? that's really the more important part of the discussion. >> except, josh, that assumes we can define we as everybody. let's bounce that concept to you, phil mudd, because the nature of how this is being communicated does not necessarily blow someone out of the water who wants to deny it. we don't know where they got it or how they got it. you know, i know the intelligence community has to keep methods and sourcing somewhat under wraps, but in a situation like this that has

become politicized. the president-elect says, i don't buy it. they've been wrong before. how do they know? and the answer is forthcoming aren't the most clarifying. >> i agree, chris. we've got problems on both sides. problems on the intelligence side and problems on the political side. >> when you say problems, phil, just to be clear. are you saying you don't trust the intel or about messaging that you're talking about? >> both. i think we're losing the distinction between what we know and what we think. we know someone stole information that was released on wi wikleaks. we know the fingerprints in the digital world because we've been following them for years. we translate that into saying because we know they stole stuff, we also know who stole it and why. that distinction between what happened and what the intent was behind what happened is critical and that's being lost today. before i close as a loyal american, let me tell you, i'm disgusted by the white house and disgusted by the incoming president. this is nonpartisan. we've got to figure out what to

do with russia and the digital world. in the iran nuclear program and syria. we have two 6 year olds figuring out who can higher on a tree about what happened with the intel when the real question among professionals is how we deal with the main adversary after they disrupt an election. i had it with these guys. my message is to the white house, shut up to the white house. shut up to the trump office and stop trying to figure out what happened six months ago. >> phil, before we let you go on that note -- >> have a heart attack. >> what is president obama to do? >> well, first of all, the conversation is about how we retaliated against the russians have to be discussed with the trump people. we have 30 days left. the conversation about russia can't be isolated to deal with the hacks. as soon as you talk to the russians publicly and accuse them, there's a potential even that could be counterproductive. everybody is talking about sa sanctions as if that might not allow putin to tell the russian people, look, it's me against

the americans. i'm going to win this one. his approval rating is 80%. humiliating him in public might not work. i think the conversation has to be broader. what is the new approach to russia that includes conversations about iran and syria and can the obama administration do something to put the ball on the tee for the trump campaign? they have to work together and right now it's like two kids in a sand box. disgusting. >> phil makes a lot of good points. he was in the business. he knows the intel world. but this has been politicized. >> totally. >> so, now, because of these implications founded and unfounded about what the impact on the election result this hacking can be traced to, president-elect donald trump, his team, dug in and said we must deny the premise because of the potential conclusion. now you have national security being used as a political football. >> that's bright. that was the clearest statement i heard this week about what we know versus what they think. that's exactly why donald trump

and his team keep swatting this down. because they're saying whatever we do know has now become convoluted into what they're accusing the trump campaign of. that they won this election only because of the russian hacks. that's why they're continuing to say we don't, we're not, you know, into this. i talked to a top trump adviser yesterday. i said, how much are you into this? some people are saying the campaign is concerned. some in the campaigns think trump is concerned about the russian hack. this senior adviser said donald trump is spending zero time on the russian hack. he is more concerned with getting the best cabinet possible and bringing back good paying american jobs. i mean, they believe that this is a total effort to delegitimize his election victory. and, so, they are really having nuthing nothing to do with it right now. >> go ahead. >> we have to say to ourselves. okay, the russians did it and trump won. both of those things can be true and we have to separate them. and then we have to figure out --

>> both of those things are true, by inouye. >> exactly. >> if you believe the intel committee and the political reality. >> they only leaked on one side, okay. so, you can draw from that what conclusions you will. again, it doesn't matter because if they're doing this kind of stuff, we have to respond to it and both administrations have to be onboard with that. it doesn't seem like the trump administration is going to do that. something the obama administration can do that the trump administration can't reverse. they can release what information nay have on putin. they can release his financial dealings and what he's been up to. >> what does that do? >> the trump administration can't reverse that and then that will be a retaliation that will have an effect that will show the russians that we mean business and they can't do this stuff and get away with it. even if the trump administration doesn't want to take this seriously, we will have at least responded and put up some sort of fight and some sort of deterrence against this attack going forward. >> what this shows is that the obama and trump relations that started off on a good note is

quickly deteriorating. right? there's already -- you saw donald trump last night at his rally attack josh earnest and by implication, also, obama, the president. we know that this is what donald trump does. i covered his campaign. you know, it was a campaign by counterpunch. so, josh earnest punched him and he counterpunched josh earnest. >> donald trump has to switch to governing. this about american national security and not about his political situation. okay, for the next few days or whatever we can have this debate, but at some point the trump administration is going to have to stop talking about what is about donald trump. >> the irony is trump comes at anyone who comes at him except putin, who may as well just have attacked his own country. >> you know why he has not come against putin, because putin has not attacked him yet. >> the stewardship of the country and you just had the --

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all right. the president-elect is tweeting this morning. it seems he is monitoring the show, if so, good morning, mr. president-elect. we hope that you're getting some good information out of our coverage. he is tweeting about this cyberattack issue. and he has tweeted this. are we talking about the same cyberattack where it revealed head of the dnc illegally gave hillary questions to the debate? i think the short answer to that, let's bring them back, yes, we are talking about these hacks that went on. that is talking about donna brazille. she gave a question not to a deba

debate, it was a town hall. cnn figured out what has happened and she is gone and it was wrong. now let's talk about why president-elect was focusing on the substance and not the sourcing of the hacks. what does this say to you, josh rogan? >> he is trying to distract us from the real issue. the facts that the russians hacked our political system. >> he deserves that respect and that confirmation. >> what was revealed in the hacking is one thing. we already know that. now we have to figure out how to make sure this doesn't happen, again. what will happen next time? what if the russians change their mind and hack the republicans and hack donald trump. all of a sudden the tables will be turned. we have to put aside the politics here and focus on the policy, all right. it's a national security issue that applies to all of us. we need to sort of stop sort of distracting by talking about what was in the hack and talk about what we are going to do about it and prevent it from

ever happening again. >> monica, let's move on and talk about what donald trump is going to do with all his business empire once he enters the white house. you have some great original reporting about why was the press conference yesterday canceled when they were going to spell out the plan. what have you learned about the plan moving forward? >> i think they're still working out the details. as donald trump said yesterday, he believes it's simple from his point of view is that as the president, there's no law specifically that deals with whether he could run his business at the same time he runs the country. and what people say is, yes, he could do both. however, as he stated, he wants the two older sons who have been part of trump organization for years to run the business. all the controversy has been whether those, the sons and the properties, those, will pose a conflict of interest. so, what everybody has said, the answer to that is devest your properties. sell them before you become president. what my reporting is -- what

people are telling me is, no, he can't sell these properties. he doesn't even want to sell these properties. they have been in his family for a long time. >> he doesn't want to, but he can. but he doesn't want to. >> it would be very difficult for a couple reasons. one, if you suddenly put all these properties on the market. iconic real estate all over the world. hotels, apartment buildings, office buildings, et cetera, golf courses. you'll sell them at a fire sale and go for so little they're under time pressure to sell. >> which is not fair. >> or they're going to go at high prices because foreign government or sovereign wealth funds will say, oh, this is a way to curry favor with the trump administration and i'll pay a high price. i talked to someone high up in the trump administration, we can't win if we had to liquidate these properties. >> a lot of the businesses aren't bricks and mortar, they're licensing deals where his name is on something. that is something that doesn't have a whole lot of value if he's not attached to it. >> if they're at an impasse,

then what? >> they're thinking about having donald trump still be the owner and put them in a blind trust and have the two sons run it. the sons starting on inauguration day will no longer sit in meetings the way they have been at the transition team influencing cabinet choices and they were at the tech meeting the other day. yeah, take them out of it. no more. they can't be part of it. >> got it. josh, i'm going to bounce to you in one second. let me get bill's take. a little bit of suspicion with that who stays at his new d.c. hotel and why. what's the intel take on that? >> couple things, chris. i don't think anybody, at least i don't presume at all that the president-elect would have somebody in the office and consider his business interest affected national security. i don't buy that. i think any president would act in the national interest. let me give you two quick angles on this. the first you already mentioned. a delegation comes into the oval office to discuss a sensitive issue and says, boy, it was great to stay at your hotel down

the street. i think that colors the conversation. there's another angle on this, chris, that is even more complicated. what if the intelligence community acquires information that shows that a foreign government is trying to curry favor with the president by going to his golf club and by staying in his hotel and by buying stocks and selling them to his companies. i think that gets even more complicated. do you release that and talk to the president about that? i think this issue is not just an ethical conflict of interest, but a question about how foreign governments would play the president and how the intel community might actually collect that information. >> the stock part doesn't hold because these are private entities and the point stands. >> great reporting on how they're thinking about this. the problem is they haven't said any of that in public. they keep delaying all the press conference on how they'll deal with the conflict of interest. if the children are going to represent a conflict of interest after the inauguration, then they represent a conflict of interest now. why not divorce them from the proceedings now. if it was bad for the clinton

foundation before she was elected, then it's bad for the trump administration before they're inaugurated. they're all mixed in. if it's not legally a conflict of interest, morally and ethically a conflict of interest. >> hold on a little bit of breaking news. not just mr. trump that is awake but also the kremlin. >> much later there. >> thank goodness they're awake or something would be wrong. they just released this statement, first time we're reading it. they should either stop talking about that or produce some proof at last. otherwise, it all begins to look unseemly. that's the russian president's spokesman. meaning, i guess, the white house. >> put up or shut up. >> i agree with the kremlin on this. let's see the evidence. why not. >> they say, here's why. because we've been digging into this. we have good sourcing on people who are actively involved in this identification process of who is doing the hacking. because if i tell you how i did this, now they know how we track

their footprints. if i tell you who we were putting and where that helped establish this, now they know. and this is an active comeback. >> the administration to defend this information before the election. >> that had political motivations. we know that from evan perez's reporting. that was them about trying to be ex expeditious. >> phil, last thought. >> thanks to the white house and the incoming trump administration for giving an early christmas gift to the kremlin. you're stepping back especially this morning and saying y thought this covert action campaign to unsettle the election worked pretty well and now icing on the cake. we have the white house and incoming administration fighting publicly over russia when the white house can't release the information that they base this on because it shows how they collected against the russian security service. if you're a russian security officer, this is christmas

early. >> panel, thank you very much for all of the reporting. well, we have an update for you on syria. thousands of people are fleeing war-torn aleppo, but new road blocks this morning grinding their escape to a halt. we have the latest in a live report for you ahead on "new day."

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have hit another speed bump. the operations shut down in aleppo after 8,000 to 10,000 evacuees were taking to one of the emerging refugee camps. what is to blame for the sudden stoppage? cnn international correspondent fred pleitgen is tracking this live for us this morning. fred? >> yeah, good morning, chris. as usual, in situations like this one, it's both sides blaming each other for the stop in the convoys evacuating people from eastern aleppo. the government side said they believe that they were trying to smuggle heavy weapons from the convoys where the opposition is saying they believe it was one of the shia militias. we keep talking about how many various factions fighting on the ground there. a shia militia that didn't want this to go through. they even fired that route that these buses were taking. before that, however, as you mentioned, at least 8,000 people who were evacuated. drone footage that was put out yesterday of some of those convoys lining up.

those green buses which shows the buses themselves, but also just shows the other devastation and destruction there in eastern aleppo. but i also saw unfold when we were there last week, some those heavy weapons that were being used. the civilians that are now still inside as these operations are halted to try to get them out, they're, of course, living in a lot of fear that it could all kick off, again, the jets could be back up in the skies, again. many of them, we have to keep in mind, are extremely weak. are extremely hungry and we're just looking to get to safety. so, it's difficult situation at this point in time. power that initiated a cease-fire in the first place trying to sort it out, alisyn. >> fred, thank you very much for all of that. so, coming up, back here at home. this week i sat down with a group of passionate hillary clinton supporters who are still struggling to come to grips with the election outcome. and hoping for a virtually impossible twist. how many of you, as you sit here today, think that something might happen before inauguration

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so, the chances of the electoral college changing the results of the election are virtually nil. but that's not stopping some hillary clinton supporters from holding out for a sliver of hope. for our latest, real voters, real voices panel we sat down with a group of clinton supporters, two of them volunteered for her campaign and some worked for democratic causes. four from pennsylvania. two from new york. they describe to us how they continue to struggle to accept donald trump's victory and how they're holding out hope that something will happen before inauguration day that keeps him from taking office. how many of you, as you sit here today, think that something might happen before inauguration day to change the results? what do you think, sanya? >> i'm just leaving itpen.

just never know. >> anything's possible. >> just like i was not expecting pennsylvania to go red. anything can happen. >> this is certainly been a surprising election. >> i'm hoping that, you know, somebody up there is looking down and saying, you know what, this is a law and you can't break that law. you know, you -- >> what law? >> conflict of interest. hamilton -- well, the hamilton electors. i think i'm holding out hope for that. >> you're holding out hope that the electors will change their minds? >> yes. i'm holding out hope that maybe five, six or seven of the republican electors will change their mind. >> just follow that line of logic for me. so, the seven electors change their mind, but that doesn't change the outcome. >> does it? not enough. unless every single one of the

democrats. i mean, i'm not 100% sure. somebody educate me. i thought that if ten of the republicans changed their minds. >> what you're thinking of is the ten of the electoral college people have asked for a briefing by the cia about the russian hacking and the russian involvement in swinging the election. we actually are 2.8 million votes ahead in the real vote, the vote of people voting all over the country. >> popular vote. >> i don't call it the popular vote. i call it the vote. an electoral college vote. you can call that the other vote. >> i understand. but this is how the founders set it up. we do abide by the electoral college, you don't have to like it. >> i'm very excited about that. i'm very excited because maybe the electoral college will do what hamilton and the other founding fathers saw as the role of the electoral college was to keep a sociopath from gaining the office of president. >> if enough to bring him below

270. it goes to the house. >> are you pinning your hopes on that? >> no. i don't think there is any hope. i think he will be sworn in. the big point here is that the electoral college, which donald trump won, is really an acreage game. we have this winner who won based on acreage, not on population of this country. >> but that doesn't speak at all to why the democrats didn't win pennsylvania specifically. >> i'm not arguing that this is what happened. this is what happened and we should have run a better game against the acreage issue. but, you know, this is something that we all need to think about in terms of the electoral college serves our country when so many people live in urban areas or whether this is a completely outdated mode of election. >> all right. so, as you know, the electors vote on monday. and, obviously, the panel there is of many different minds. some of them conflicting. they're holding out hope,

they're not holding out hope. maybe divine intervention and something in washington can be done. they don't really think anything can be done. they're still processing. >> did you feel the urge to tell them to shut up, it's over. get on with it. start focusing on something productive. >> yeah, we worked our way around to let's all just accept reality, folks. >> they also have a fundamental -- their plan is to be upset. >> no, that's not their plan, actually. next week we'll show you part two of their plan. >> oh, you can't give it away. >> yes. i'm teasing it. they have an action plan. >> what do you mean? these individuals -- >> these individuals i'm talking to have an action plan. they're not just sitting around and sulking. they have an action plan and i will reveal that next week. >> you know, there's an inconsistency of discussion about the electoral college. you know, what it was for. what it is meant for today. why people want it. why people don't and so much of it is divorced from history and about political agenda of the moment. >> it is a political football

that will be tossed around on monday and then, obviously, these folks. they're not alone. there are democrats who are still holding out hope that something is going to happen. >> false hope. >> it is false hope. >> one of the main lessons in politics, i grew up in it. you have to learn how to lose. good piece, though. good points. his personality, his reporting and his wardrobe, man, this guy is a legend on so many levels. this morning, the basketball world is remembering the one and only craig sager. andy sholes has this morning's bleacher report and we're going to talk about sager finally losing his epic battle against illness. what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple veggie dish ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple dinner ever?

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sad news. we have lost a unique one and great one. turner family losing not only legendary broadcaster but a man who brought joy to everyone he touched. craig sager passing away at the age of just 65 yesterday after such an epic battle with leukemia. andy sholes has more in this

morning's bleacher report. i respect what you have on this morning. craig sager and only craig sager would have appreciated it. >> i'm wearing this sager strong shirt this morning to honor craig sager. you can't see the back of it but a quote from his speech that says time is simply how you live your life. sager made the most of his time. bringing joy to everyone he came into contact with. most fans know him for his wacky suits that he wore and great interviews but he has to be remembered for his courageous fight with leukemia and that was reporting sports for us fans at home. sager made his national television debut. he was at home plate after ank aaron broke the home run record and then went on to report for cnn and then turner sports covering everything from the world series to final four. all the nba teams in action last

night honoring sager before the game. many players wearing the same shirt i have on right now. sager died just days after he was inducted into the sports broadcasting hall of fame. he leaves behind a wife and five children. craig sager 65 years old. else where in the sports world seattle seahawks once again after beating the rams last night. the seahawks looking like human highlighters using the color rush uniforms. russell wilson put the game away with the 57 yard touchdown pass. seahawks beat the rams, 24-3. back to craig sager, i got to be around him quite a bit around the final four at houston and nba finals. to know what he was going through the scenes and watch him still report the way he did. it truly was inspirational. >> andy sholes, well represented and well said. boy, craig would have loved those seahawks uniforms last night. >> they fit in perfectly with

what he wore. >> it takes a strong man to wear chartreuse and he was that man. andy, thank you. donald trump's contentious relationship with the media. everyone is wondering how that will play out when he is in the white house. there are some new signs that perhaps tell us what he's planning. we'll look at those, next. fight heartburn fast. with tums chewy delights. the mouthwatering soft chew that goes to work in seconds to conquer heartburn fast. tum tum tum tum. chewy delights. only from tums.

all right. if you ask the trump team about the transition, they say they are showing us all we need to know. take a listen to chief strategist and communication director sean spicer on "new day" just yesterday. >> we have been unbelievably transparent. we literally brought the press into meetings. we've listed the kids and jared on websites. we've been very clear since day one who's on the transition, who's on the landing team. >> you're letting us know what you want us to know and we appreciate it. what about what you're hiding.

that's what news is. what you don't want us to see. >> let's ask brian steltzer and liz wall, former anchor and reporter for "russia today america." thanks for joining us. two different topics to talk about. let's talk about this fundamental question of practice, brian stelter. transparent. is transparent when they show what they want you to see or is transparency an actual higher obligation that has not yet been met. >> something bigger than what we've seen. donald trump has not spoken in a press conference setting for the first five weeks. normally president-elects do that within a first few days of the election. president obama was having a bunch of press conferences at this point as president-elect and that was in the midst of the financial crisis. a lot of reasons he was speaking to the press regularly. we're not seeing the same kind of access to donald trump. not enough to point a camera in the trump tower lobby which is a

public space where anyone can be. not enough what is happening upstairs at the transition. >> there's also bad signs. some things that suggest that the access to the president will not be what we have seen for decades. for instance, they have now suggested that the daily press briefings might change. might go away. we have also heard that they might get rid of the saturday radio addresses. donald trump has suggested changing the libel laws. they have dodged the protective press pool that travels with them a couple times. if you put all these together, it seems like it will be one of the least transparent -- >> put all these together and they are real threat how journalists gather information on a daily basis. we should give them credit for some of the things they have done. as sean spicer was saying, bringing in cameras so we can see visually some of these meetings. >> isn't that what we just call -- >> right. >> and then you don't stay in there. do they get to stay in there for

the substance of the talks? >> no, they are moved out pretty quickly. at the white house, this is a concern, as well. right now these daily briefings. daily briefings for a long, long time. it seems like rineince priebus d sean spicer -- listen, don't cling to tradition for tradition sake but both practical and symbolic reasons to have these meetings. practical you coulder with answer a lot of questions every day that are coming at the white house. >> we know they brought in people to give them advice on how to change the control dynamic of media. it's interesting, we have liz wall who worked for "russia today." this dialogue probably smacks familiar to you about the power structure telling the media when and how it will get access, instead of being chased by the media for more full and open access. you know, smacks a little bit of your former reality. what is your take on this dialogue about transparency and the nature of how, what phil mudd just told us russian

intelligence getting the gift of watching our political entities fight about how to deal with them. >> yeah. i mean, if you look at the headlines on russian news sites right now, they're having a field day with this. they're essentially echoing what donald trump is saying, almost saying there is this unprecedented lack of trust between the president-elect and the intelligence agency kind of amplifying this distrust against american institutions. one thing that really strikes me as a parallel is this loose relationship to truth and fact. and this outward rejection of fact when it doesn't make you look good. throughout both ukraine and now syria, it's been a very common tactic for the kremlin to simply just flat out deny intelligence or information that is damming to them. so, now we have 17 u.s. intelligence agencies, the cia based on their intelligence. this is not based on nothing. we just heard from a russian official. show me the proof. show me the proof.

this is, this is what we're used to hearing. they say there's no proof. and it's only until after the fact when the damage is done that the proof has become apparent. we do have to remember that our u.s. intelligence agency is tasked with keeping america safe is getting their intelligence from forensic, forensic analysis and this isn't just, you know, like they were at a bar having a beer saying we think this is happening. it doesn't even -- it doesn't take, you know, sherlock holmes to figure out what's happening here. if you take a look at just the way the leaks were handled, they were clearly meant to handle the hillary clinton campaign and the drip at key moments during the campaign and the media coverage that came as a result of that. nothing on the trump campaign. it doesn't take much, you know, investigation to realize what's going on here. >> liz, since you have that perspective of how it's done in russia and the disinformation campaign that putin and the kremlin used and you say there

are now parallels that you're seeing here to the disinformation and the claims of fake news here. what happens in russia? how do people know what to trust? >> well, i think that one of the big successes for the kremlin right now and for russian media and operations in general which have been going on for quite some time, especially in the last couple of years, is really instilling this lack in western institutions and western society and the main stream media. i mean, it's a beat. it's actually kind of news beat to attack the main stream media. and we hear from the president-elect himself. they're all crooked. they're all corrupt. they're all bias. they're all liars. i mean, so, it's meant to create this lack of trust within our own media. and, you know, i know a couple of very staunch supporters themselves and this news coming out that should be a bipartisan issue where a foreign, you know, a foreign adversary hacked our

election and they're like, nope, fake news. this is clinton and sour grapes. that kind of partisanship that our president-elect has harne harnessed instead of taking a step back and saying, wow, you know, to what extent did a foreign adversary actually influence our election? i think it's his response that is troubling. >> any such thing as a bipartisan issue any more? i hear what you're saying, liz, it should be a bipartisan issue. seems to me that's impossible now. no such thing as bipartisanship even if something like this can't be discussed in a united fashion. >> we'll see. >> it's a sad thing. >> we'll see what congress does to tackle all this. >> as terrible as it sounds, of course, the america's utopia when it comes to power, putin is at 80% popularity. i'm sure that's something that's not lost on a lot of politicians in this country, as well. our thanks to liz, our thanks to brian. appreciate it. a lot of news this morning. what do you say, it's friday.

let's get right to it. >> this is not a partisan issue. we need to take action and we will. >> i think it's ridiculous. i don't believe it. >> mr. trump obviously knew that russia was engaged in malicious cyberactivity. >> was it just to disrupt the process or did they have an intent of helping one candidate? >> the continue ed efforts to delegitimize the election. >> it is going to stand. >> it was foreign espionage. this is not new to russia. >> dylann roof found guilty on all charges. >> one step towards justice is being done. >> he thought he was starting a race war. look at what love conquered. >> announcer: this is "new day." with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. happy friday. welcome to your new day. not only saying that we know this is about the kremlin, but we know that the russian