it was the first rejected by the senate in 30 years. trump's nominees may face tough questions in the senate. history shows that it is rare to reject a nomination. thanks for being apart of my program today. i will see you next week. it is time for reliable sourc sources. how the media really works, i am brian stelter. this hour of dc's new political odd couple, president trump and the press of trump aids rethinking daily briefings and josh earnest and the white house correspondence association ars both here with reactions and the rise of this information. lets begin with divided america. divided about the facts.

journalists are wrestling with how to respond when president-elect trump the next leader of the free world says and tweet things that are false. here is something he's been saying for months. on thursday in a rally in pennsylvania. >> we have to be a rich nation again. we have to be a safe nation. the murder rate in the united states is the largest that has been in 45 years. nobody knows that. they don't tell you that. they don't want to hear you. listen to those boos. trump making it sound sinister like the press refusing to tell you of this. the reason we and the press don't report it because it is not true. the murder rate is at 45 year lows. >> there is been an increase in the murder rate between 2014 and

2015, it did tick up. it is an increase from this low level. much lower than the '80s and '90s. trump got this wrong so many times in the campaign. what was interesting last night where he got it right at first and wrong again. >> the murder rate has experienced its largest increase in our country in 45 years. think of it. more people are being murdered than in 45 years. the press never tells you that. do they ever write that? no. >> he got it right at first but then more people are being murdered in 45 years which is completely untrue. >> joining me the editor of editor facts and our senior

animalyst and staff writer of n yorkers. >> angie, it is important to drill down and find one that we can talk about that's specific. i know he's keeping you busy at political fact. what do you believe that journalists should be doing and trying to get the facts out there when trump repeats himself over and over again. >> this is something that we know him doing. we are used to it. we write our reports and focus on correcting misinformation. so when we are k fact checking something we focus on what's wrong and we say why it is wrong. we can note that he said it right a few seconds ago but this other thing is wrong. and the other thing that we n e focus on is the overall impression that an average viewer would get. the average impression they get is crime rates are worse than

they have been in 45 years and that's not right. >> what do you recommend jane to your students wrestling with this problem. you correct them every time we say something wrong and it is difficult and hard to do in copy or when you are writing a story and it is hard to do on television when he's live. >> i have former students who are covering donald trump. i think they have done some very good work. this is real to me. and certainly calling out reporters and calling them scum and all of that is also real. what you have to do and what journalists have to do is put the fact s in the story and his cabinet appointments and the man who want to run the epa, is the man that's suing the epa. i think the one thing that ju l

journalists are not doing is retweeting his every tweet. people get into the idea that they have to contradict immediately of what he said are not true and there is values to that. >> we need to point out not to necessarily retweet and talk about his talk shows of what he just said. the think that i think we may say sometimes is that we are doing this job is that we are to be a force for the american people. he has so demonize the press that is a dangerous thing to do. we need to point out the facts and we need to point out hey, we are there for you and not just because we want to go watch donald trump to have dinner with mitt romney. we are there to do a job for the american people. he's successful saying something other than that. >> i was going to pull up a tweet next but i will skip that for now >> we have been talking about this dynamic here and about

alternate realities and not caring if trump getting these facts wrong. >> i think we are widely disliked. i think that's something that really, you know, is very much apart of the story, you know it is no coincidence that donald trump gets cheers when he points to the press as he did it virtually every campaign rally. you know i am a reporter and i don't know how to persuade people that we are not as hard as what donald trump says we are. all we can do is tell the truth. we are a business and people are not going to read us or watch us. >> is he prosecuting a case against the press essentially? >> donald trump is a politician who's trying to get elected and he found a vehicle to do it.

in one way he ran that vehicle is attacks on the press which turns out popular on his base. i don't think we should over state the problem. people who attend donald trump's rallies are not united states of america. hillary clinton got 2.5 million votes than he did and people are still watching the news and reading the news in one form or another. it is not the entire country has turned against the media but there is no doubt that we have problems with significant group of people. >> the murder rates at 45 year high and a lot of folks to believe it is true. it is no t a problem and credibility for the press but it is a problem for president-elect trump. >> all we can do when he says that is say it is not true. you know it is not our job i think to insist the people to believe us. we are not in a contest and not

running against donald trump. all we can do is tell the truth. when he says thousands of people were cheering and muslims were cheering after 9/11 in new jersey, we said it was false and it continues to be false. if people believe it. we cannot grab them by the collar and say don't do thacht. we can only use the tools of our disposal. >> i was thinking of this issue this week. he's been communicating throughout the campaign and throughout the transition. journalists are trained to not -- i was on a program this week with lisa lera suggested that this president-elect trump is different and we have to think of how we write and cover about him and here is what she says. >> the assumption has been where the president is always telling the truth and you fact-check it. as someone who's covering this

white house, you cannot work from that place anymore and today he tweeted something that was factually inaccurate. it does change how you approach this presidency from reporting it out. >> our reaction from that, is it something fundamentally different now >> at least as far as he has been until he takes the oath of office and we cannot assume that he will be any different. it is awkward for journalists. we are not used to say he's a liar or any politicians. it puts us in awkward position. his supporters will say of course, it is the liberal media. how much access is he goicng to have. the only card that the media can play is we need to have a press briefings and this man taken the task that he has the right to

respond in realtime to something he thinks is unfair. that to me is scarier because we have never seen that before. >> that's unpres departmecedent. >> these press briefings, they're not for the benefit of the press, it is for the benefit of the white house. the white house wants to do that and donald trump cannot do that entirely through tweets. yes, it is true that the white house's core likes to ask pertinent questions at times. it is mosltly the secretary getting out messages throughout the day. i don't think there is much chance that the briefings are going to go away. >> more on that in a moment. talking about access, donald trump provides access when it is in his interest. here is a headline from the political website saying that jared kushner told a group of

business executives, pair frir e paraphrasing here. >> the story is saying that sinclair struck a deal with strength and without fact-checking. i want to get your assessment of this story. sinclair says hey, we offered the same deal to hillary clinton and i have seen the e-mails from their cheexecutive and being tud down >> sinclair has a huge penetration of stations as you said you know if hillary clinton did not take up on that, bad on hillary clinton. i think that and i think it is a complicated story, people have said that hillary clinton did not provide the same access. i think donald trump benefited greatly from the media which is one of the great ironies of him now attacking the media.

>> one more point and one more story to show on screen. your piece of the new yorkers this week all about the hawk ca caulkin. that was to summarize that gawker running a sex tape. he's having sex with his best friend's wife. he filed a lawsuit charging a violation of his privacy. basically what a court had to decide was is that information newsworthy and not whether it was in good taste or bad taste or true or false news worthy. once we get in the business of allowing juries and judges to

pick what's news worthy, that gives a lot of leeway that's not in the province of the court and when you operate in an environment where the press is not seen as respectful news paper editors as they used to be in the 40s or 50s. and now gawker, juries don't like it and they push gawker out of business with $150 million award. >> the media is hurting newsrooms when they have to go to court. >> gawker running a sex tape is not where the press wants to fly its first amendment flag. it was a very debatable proposition in the first place. when you consider who hulk hogan was and how he's been talking about his sex life and the size of his penis on radio and television, a guy look that can

force an established business like gawker at a lawsuit, that raised questions letting jurors deciding when people don't like the news media. >> it is very much one ecosystem. the tech entrepreneur who was one of trump's biggest supporter. the over lap is considerable. >> jeffery, thank you very much and jane thank you very much. >> coming up here next, talking about the press access at the white house. we'll hear from the josh earnest of an exclusive interview with me right after the break. there is nothing typical about making movies. 'm victoria alonso and i'm an executive producer... ...at marvel studios. we are very much hands-on producers. if my office... ...becomes a plane or an airport the surface pro's perfect. fast and portable but also light. you don't do this 14 hours a day, 7 days a week for...

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house? i happened to be in the press briefing room and the concerns were -- i had a chance to ask josh earnest about it and here is what he told me. >> i think as an american, i am concerned about that. i do this that this inner action that takes place in here for a daily bases is one that's good for our democracy. it is instrument to hold people in power accountable for their actions and statements and premises. >> we got buzz feed and you got a lot of now outlets and some of them like very much right wing outlet. do you expect the trump administration blocking some outlets. >> i hope not.

>> you complain about fox news from time to time, could you have booted fox news in this room? >> that i would be inconsistent of the spirit of this room. it is not unusual for me to call the bright part reporter and the gentlemen representing here is respectful of the process and ask questions and gets answers. it is the same as truth of the fox organization that i call on everyday. if you feel confident as what i do and the persuasiveness of the argument, you should be ready to make that argument to all comers. this administration demonstrated to do that. we'll see if the next administration does. >> what should be rethought, what would you change about your role and about the press press shop as it communicates to the public? >> i guess one thing is i will say to journalists is they sort

of consider the transition that lies ahead of them. i think that there are a lot of, what's worth protecting in this room is this symbol i cic accountability that's demanded here and that's worth protecting and defending. >> it does not mean nothing should change. >> this focusing on the core principle and the core objectives and even if they're symbol symbolic. i think it can be a useful guide to journalists as they navigate what could be a bumpy transition as they encounter administration that's seen and prepare to buck traditions. it is important to acknowledge that it is -- we are not just trying to protect traditions for tradition sake.

doing something because that's the way we have always done it is not a good reason to keep doing it. the reason to observe these practices because of how critical of the exchanges that's taken place of our democracy and holding those accountable. >> we'll have more on josh earnest on next week's "reliable sources." let's go behind the scene, jeff mason, he's in denver with us this morning, thank you for being here. >> my pleasure. >> josh earnest says he's concerned but what changes of the trump administration is thinking about. are you concerned of the future of the daily briefings? >> we'll wait and see what the trump team does when they get to the white house. we got assurances that they'll respect the traditions o f the white house press core but then you also have things like the

interview that mr. reince priebus gave last week. my concern is the press core has an opportunity to provide robust coverage of the new president. >> have you asked for medians with any of trump's communication aids to talk about this? >> yes. >> what has happened? >> we have been in telephone conversation and we have been in e-mail contact and we have not had as much contact as we would like. we are in talks with them and expect to have even more. >> how should i interpret that basically what you are saying is no, they have not been willing to meet many person? >> i think you should interpret that as we would like to have more in person meetings than we had so far. part of that is also going back to what i said about a wait and see approach. i think the trump transition team is putting together its

press team >> right, we don't know who the press secretary it is going to be, looks like sean spicer. >> reince priebus was wrong in his interview with hugh hewett. it is the association of who sits here, right? >> yes. that's right, his is there ator dates back to the 1980s. the white house correspondents gradually assume responsibilities for assigning those seats on the request of both republicans and democratic administration. sorry. >> i was going to say, it sounds loo i c like a small thing like who really cares. >> if reince priebus had the wrong information, they maybe

making decisions without consulting the feedbacks. >> i know people in the trump team who will aware of these seat assignments. i have not had a chance to speak to mr. reince priebus, i know people in the team who are aware of this current situation. once they have a team in place and once we have a chance to talk about some of these tradition, it will become clear to them that it is not just about traditions but about best practicing in dealing with the media and both that we can report the news and the white house have a chance to generate and gets out its message and the news that it wants. >> jeff thank you very much for being here, i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> 144 days since donald trump will have a full flesh press conference, he was going to hav the press conference on thursday but he postponed it until january. this time next week on the obama year and the press. hear more from josh earnest and other obama aids as well as white house correspondents.

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one of the little known entities that president trump will have is a state owned media operations. a major source of information to get out u.s. news across the world including voice for america and radio for europe and asia and the middle east broadcast networks. there is concerns that a tool like this can be used as propaganda in the hands of someone like trump and changes the broadcasting board of governors. this is complicated and we'll tau talk to the best person who understands it. the former secretary of public affairs at the state department. richard, it is great to see you. >> ryan, it is great to be here. >> you were on the board of what's called the broadcasting board of governors. tell us what that board do. >> being able to talk about the

bbg is an unprecedented event. i am so glad. >> it has $750 million budget. >> taxpayers' money. >> is being paid for what? >> it is an independent paid entity and started during the cold war. >> and now it is tied to the state department but it can be manipulated by the white house or the state department. it is voice of america and radio for europe and radio for asia. it sportupported by the state department and created by a powerful ceo and there is a future ca fantastic ceo there. this is one of the real weapons of the arsenal administration and they can use it. >> it is an independent but also a weapon in the arsenal. it is part of the american arsenal. it is not cnn and it is also not

a propaganda engine. one of the great challenges for it is in this area of disinformation, what do you put out there? you don't put out propaganda. we don't do investigative jur journalism, although it does not. >> that should be the engine of bbg. reading political there is these suggestions that somehow the voice of america can be explicit propaganda arm and bringing up the idea of trump tv and president trump can use the voice of america and even of the united states. first of all, there is a firewall between the government and bbg. >> is it being eliminated. we really get into the weeds now. part of the problem of bbg is the board actually ran it. this legislation creates a ceo

and now will run like a med media -- >> we are suggesting that it can be dangerous and you are saying no. >> anything can be dangerous. it is protected and has the firewall. it is not going to turn into an engine of the new president. >> what do you look at, zooming out here as we look at what russia has and russia today of their capable channel around the world and sputnik news around the website and these are powerful news outlets that share the russian point of view and many of them called it propaganda. >> there is in global information war. it is put out by states sponsors. >> all along an owe vevert mean. you had president-elect trump quoting sputnik and rt during

the campaign. we started to see this after crimea. following the fall of berlin wall is they set up television station, they felt threatened by nato and our soft power which is the thing that helped the berlin wall tfell down. >> it had this dark view of the west and their new casts and it pollutes that in europe. >> sounds like you are advocating. >> there is increase spending for next year for bbg. again, it is not propaganda. it is not just journalism, it is actually fact based information that people can see. people do want to hear from the u.s. government. >> the washington post opinion piece on this suggested that

perhaps, the obama administration and the state department, supported these changes created on a powerful ceo because you were expecting hillary clinton to win and not donald trump. >> i think a lot of people fallen on mrs. clinton to win. >> it is separate from the white house and it does have this firewall but i think again has a great ceo in john lansing and they'll change and adapt and becoming digital and they'll create this new kind of environment. >> the united states does provide news reporting all around the world >> we do, it reaches hundreds of millions of people and in dozens of languages. the russians basically saw the effectiveness of this and put out their own services. i would argue they're creating disinformation. you are talking about fake news, they're the largest disseminator

of fake news in the world. so many of these stories pollute the environment comes from these sources. part of the problem is, i would say we don't have just a fake news problem. what we have is a media literacy problem. america don't understand actually fact based news and strong stories of propaganda. >> richard, great to see you. >> great to see you brian, thank you very much. >> up next of the movement of the all right. and donald trump calls for unity. what is the future of the conservative media. will extreme be the new normal. we'll talk to the ceo of the biggest media company in the u.s. right after this. l is for layers of luxury. a is for alll the way back. r is for read my mind.

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here is a stat to keep in mind. this is from a couple of months ago showing the majority of americans, 70% saying they have a negative view of the national news media. only 22% say they have a positive view of the national news media. now, there are a lot of reasons for that. we can talk about that all day

long. one of them is what conservative media outlets say and some of it is due to the failing of big newsrooms. my next guest says donald trump is going to turn the press into a whipping boy. >> christopher, he's here we me in new york. he has already done that, turning the press into a whipping boy. >> we talked about fake news earlier in our show where folks -- that's been the talkable news media. what about biassed news? that had a much bigger impact in this election. >> people feel the media is responsible. you guys whattedhad a responsibo give fair and balanced news. anybody that looks at this objective, they were talking about issues that american public did not call for, trump's

twitter. voters were worried about jobs and trades and donald trump to his credit was in those states talking about those issues. you guys missed the story. >> that's looking backward. >> donald trump keeps on looking backward and everybody is talking about the election like it is yesterday. >> looking back is important on the election just a short period and where the president is not inaugurated. biassed in what sense? the media is critical of him and i don't think they're giving him a complete fair shake. the discussion, all we heard is issues about the electoral college and fake news and russian hacking and e-mails. >> i can prove to you that none of those had an impact to the election. >> how? >> look at the numbers across. hillary clinton out performed obama in state after state.

she out performed him in california and won by 30 points and she out performed obama in the state of texas. trump only won texas by nine points. mitt romney won by 16. why did hillary lose? she ran a terrible campaign in the states of ohio, pennsylvania and wisconsin, she barely showed up in some of these states. >> you are a conservative ceo. have you talked to them since election day? >> donald trump, you have. >> do you have a sense that he means what he says when he called the press dishonest? >> he means what he says. he used to have good relationship with the press. he's the most media saavy guy. he will out strip reagan.

>> does it matter to you what he says is false. >> in terms of fake news? >> herself talking about the murder rate is a 45 year high when it is not. >> does it matter? >> you know you can go through every president and find errors in their facts. >> not to the degree of donald trump. >> that's a subjective judgment. >> many journalists who were baffled by donald trump. >> there is a perception of the country that crime is dprgrowin and rising. >> should we correct it? >> yes, that's fine. fake news, read thomas jefferson second nainaugural. he talks about the press and a lot of discussions at the speech. at the end of the moment he said the public's judgment is the best safe guard and the public

will make a decision and you will be a player in that and i will be a player. >> give me a preview for news max. you got a cable channel and trying to grow. you told me you are going to hire more reporters in washington, what does the next four years look like for that news outlet? >> it is a tremendous opportunity because donald is raising questions of the mainstream media. fox is the better actor of all of this given a balance approach. news max, last month, we had 2 million people watched on smart phones and smart tv, that's up from zero two years ago. they watch on average for half an hour. anybody can go to their smart phone and watch us any time and any place in the world, no other channel has that. this is going to be a huge phenomenon that we are going to

waive on for the next several years. >> so trying to take advantage of this smart phone age media. we are and it is working. people are tuning off the old media like news max. >> i would like to think they are skunliconsuming all of it. we'll see and how much trust have been lost in mainstream fl newsroom. >> this is not a new one. i remember when i covered the clintons back in '92. 89% of the people voted for bill clinton of the press core and washington voted for bill clinton. that's not representative of the rest o country. >> i think the next day, everybody could not believe it even though the polls showed in all the battleground states. >> trump is surprised and makes it interesting and he did not

expect to win. >> an important role that we have is get that information and news max is going to be tough on trump when we think he's going off the rail on policy issues and some things, we'll be supportive of him on and i think people are ecstatic so far. i think even you have to admit, he has surprised people by the picks he's picking, very highly qualified individuals and he seems to have a clear concept of where he wants to take the country the next few years. >> chris rudy, it is great to see you. >> up next after the break, we are talking about fake news and facebook is trying out warning labels on stories that's made up. can it be k effectieffective? we'll talk to people who'll make those warning labels after the break.

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a look at your facebook news need today may have an example of made up news stories. it says disputed by abc news. why? because facebook is under intense pressure to do something

about the proliferation of fake stories on networks. abc is a partner and so is plit fact. there has been a lot of blow back already. why is it a worthwhile idea? why are you helping facebook pry to fact check these fake stories. >> go to facebook, and they are going about their day looking to connect with friends and family and they see these headlines super dramatic and they are wondering if they're right or not. sometimes they are entirely made up. it is not trying to sensor anything. it is trying to parse out these reports. >> is there an example of a story you have helped to correct? >> so far so good. one of the reports that we did and published, the website that put out the fake news got back

to us and said, oh, we're sorry. we're taking our report down. >> really? we're sorry? so it's working. >> it's early. and facebook has said they want to be careful. they want to test this and see if they could make it work better. it's early days. but nobody here wants to sensor anything. we just want to give people accurate, credible information. >> you said the lie of the year was fake news. and your essay this week identifying the lie of the year. and yet the federalist said one of the problems is you. she said politifact is a joke. >> we've been getting these complaints from the conservat e conservativ conservatives, parts of the conservative media for many years now. so i'm not entirely surprised by this. i think there is the mentality

that anyone who is not conservative must be liberal. where as, we see ourselves as independent. so when we fact check things that, you know, one side or the other doesn't like, they the end not to argue with our reports. instead, they attack us. we've been around long enough, we could take it. i ask people if they hear that we're biassed, please read our reports and see for yourself if you agree or disagree. we present all of our evidence and list all of our sources. our goal is to give good information. >> thank you so much for sticking around with us this morning. good to see you. >> thanks. >> up next, how these protests in warsaw, poland are related to what's happening at home. breathe right strip.put oa it instantly opens your nose up to 38% more than cold medicine alone. shut your mouth and say goodnight mouthbreathers.

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generosity is its oyou can handle being a mom for half an hour. i'm in all the way. is that understood? i don't know what she's up to, but it's not good. can't the world be my noodles and butter? get your mind out of the gutter. mornings are for coffee and contemplation. that was a really profound observation. you got a mean case of the detox blues. don't start a war you know you're going to lose. finally you can now find all of netflix in the same place as all your other entertainment. on xfinity x1. now a final thought. western democracies generally don't go after the news media by turning off internet access. no, governments chip away piece by piece with words and actions until reporters don't have the

fre dom or the relevance they had before. u.s. journalists have never seen a president-elect like donald trump before, telling his voters that the media is terrible and dishonest. this is what i mean by chipping away. his words are chipping away at the power and legacy of the press. now, before the state despite all its faults and flaws is a check on government and we should be honest about this, trump is far from the first official to fight back. the obama administration repeatedly checked leaks. this times reporter faced jail time for protecting a source. there are many ways to chip away at the force of state. the spark according to freelance journists in warsaw was the conservative ruling party's plan to limit media access to the

polish parliament. these protesters lotook to the streets. these protesters recognized that press freedom is their freedom. former polish prime minister donald tusk was quoted adds saying without media access, democracy becomes dictatorship. and that's the point, press freedom is your freedom. these concerns are not just for professional journalists, not just for the people in control rooms here, just for the people who edit your local paper. this is about you. if you share links on facebook or chat on snapchat you are part of the media now. if your view of president obama has sowered or improved over the years, you have benefitted from constant press access and coverage of the white house. if you think journalists are all corrupt, then pick up a pen, pick up a keyboard or phone and start reporting. not just opining but reporting.

don't let government devalue and delegitimize journ liz m. thanks for being here this morning. thanks for tuning in. we'll see you on line seven days a week. and we will be right back here next week. pointing to putin. president obama threatens to retaliate against russia for interfering in the u.s. election. >> whatever they do to us, we could potentially do to them. >> senator john mccain will be here live. and fall out. hillary clinton blames the fbi for her loss. now the attorney general weighs in. >> it was painful for me. >> what loretta lynch wishes she could take back. our