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thanks for joining us. ac 360 starts now. good evening. john burman in for anderson tonight. police have a name and a face to go with the christmas market truck stak in berlin. their suspect is at large. authorities say he could be armed. he could be violent and here is what's worse. he was already on their radar before monday's horror unfolded and a dozen people lost their lives. now not only was he knownality at one point he was in custody. tonight he's a fugitive. live from berlin with the latest, what are we learning about the suspect? >> reporter: well we know that he had at least two run-ins with german authorities in august. they actually arrested him
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trying to cross illegally into italy on forged documents. but the german judge in that case for some reason took the decision to let him go. we also know that in june german authorities tried to deport him but failed to do so after being unable to establish his true identity, all of this leading to very serious questions here in berlin tonight as to what authorities could have been done to prevent these attacks. >> 5'8", 165, on the run. believed to be dajsz right now. offing 100,000 euros for any leading to his capture. his father is also speaking. what is he saying? >> reporter: he gave an interview to a tunisian radio network where he said his son left for italy when he was a teenager. while he was in italy he was
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arrested and convicted of armed robbery. spent four years in italian prison. released from jail and made his way to germany. it was there that he had according to his father run in with islamists, already leading to fresh questions tonight as to why the italians simply let someone who was convicted of armed robbery. someone who was not supposed to be in the eu walk away from prison and into germany. >> and curious at this point. several nights after the attack. what is the security posture on the streets there? is it visible? >> it is absolutely visible, john. although they are trying to get things back to normal as quickly as possible. this thoroughfare which leads in the direction of the attack now open to traffic, been previously closed off. but we have seen an increased police presence throughout the
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city, especially focusing on transportation networks, airports and railway stations, as people are trying to get home for christmas, home for the holidays. >> especially given the fact there is this man hunt under way for this man believed to be armed, believed to be dangerous and now believed to have links with isis within germany. joining us our panel. a bunch of awesome people. john cruickshank, you have been working your sources inside germany and across europe. what if you learned about the suspect's background. >> he was violent from before he was radicalized. but when he came to germany, part of a extremist network inside germany recruiting for
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isis and had a number of contacts with leading figgers in that isis recruiting network. the counterterrorism services considered him a risk. at a point in time it came to their attention he was trying to get hold of a weapon. so there were a lot of alarm bells that were ringing within german security services when it came to this individual. but it appears a lot of balls were dropped. and he was still able to launch this attack. >> and that will be the source of many, many questions. already is. but certainly going forward. michael, he believed to be have contact with this german figure. head of a pro isis network inside germany. what do we know about that man? he's been arrested and charged along with other fours last month. >> according to a guy who had
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actually gone off to syria and joined isis and deflected because he denounced the ideology, a b ideology, abuala is the maser mind of -- [indiscernible]. also in the same region. in this center apparently he was indoctrinating and all customers to the doctrine and also arranging for people to make emigration to syria. now according to a german outlet that reported on this today, he was given a choice. he could either go and make immigration himself and fight in the middle east or he could carry out a terrorist operation on german soil and that choice
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was said to be personally signed off by ab wall la. he's always dressed in black cloak and hood. what are the implications of this? if this suspect is part of this network, does this make him harder to find? is it possible it would be easier or more people working to hide him right now? and the second part is does it make the situation even more dangerous right now? this is something we saw in belgium where it seems as some of the attacks that did transpire were carried out quickly because some of the terrorists had to get it done before they got caught. >> yes and yes.
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there is really no analog in the united states where you have as germany's mad 800 go and fight. and then perhaps thousands of fellow travelers who identify with isis ideology and in france where 1500 have gone to get training and literally more than 10,000 extremist sympathizers. so in everyone european country there is a network you can plug into. and saw that after paris and brussels. in european country after european country we're seeing a the vibrant isis support network
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that is quite different than what we see in the united states. >> paul krook shank. authorities him him in custody at one point. but not enough to keep him. what did they get and what were they looking for they didn't get that would have allowed the authorities to place him under arrest or expel him? >> well that is a very good question indeed. they did learn that he was trying to get hold of a gun during that period. they did learn that he had these extremist ties including to a man called bovan something or other. something who was close to
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abualla. but they did not manage to arrest this suspect. he escaped, the dragnet, in those arrests. >> born in tunisia. tunisia -- >> by orders of magnitude. we focus on the yachts who come from the west. but most in who -- [indiscernible] . >> this is a great question. tunisia is probably now the only country that went through the so called arab spring to have kind of had a peaceful transfer of power and to reconcile what's turned out to be islamist government with its traditional franco secular history. maybe because they don't find a hospitable environment in tunisia they are going off and wanting to do jihad elsewhere. often a problem then the people who return, where do they then migrate too. this guy he went the italy and
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arrested and got out. how did he get into europe? and why wasn't he on the radars of not just the german counterterrorism officials but the eu system? >> these are questions they will be asking when they catch him again. man hunt under way tonight. $100,000 being posted for reward of the capture of him. stick around. i want to ask about surveillance cameras like the kind that led to the boston bombers and the kind that helped capture them. and why we have yet to see this kind of video out of berlin. and what make this market more like a powder keg stofd a mark? ive afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road.
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brothers. and the backpack. while footage obtained sometimes depicts difficult moments to watch, each frame can prove invaluable to investigators. it often leads authorities to suspects, as it did in post. in brussels, twin explosions at the airport and a train station in march were documented by passengers. cell phone video revealed devastating wreckage through thick smoke. this image was captured. after a man hunt authorities arrested the third man in the hat. more recently on a new york city street in september closed sirkd
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television showed window store fronts shattering and people running for their lives. nypd investigates were able to rewind the footaged and spotted ahmed ramny in the place where the bomb was found. and lots more. one camera revealing a dramatic moment when a woman's life was spared because a suspect's gun seemingly jams. >> back with paul cruickshank. german authorities have a picture of this guy. what we don't have is some of that video we just saw right there. the likes of which we have
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previous attacks, this chilling footage of these men before they were carrying out the attacks and it 00 instructive. it tells you what they are wearing. where they are headed. what they are doing. and part of that can be crucial to launching an investigation. >> absolutely right. you can't take germany out of germany. and there are reasons for rules. and surveillance of the east germany and there are actual laws that prohibit real time ccb in germany. there is a party that exists to prohibit surveillance in germany. so there will be changes. no question about it. because there is has been questioning lately to get more cameras. i think the amazing thing about what happened this week is there is no iphones either. boston was a lot of iphones and
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private phones. a lot of the videos you just showed were public surveillance cameras. i find it remarkable that we have no real time or public sector or citizens of picture of someone getting out of truck. >> it is not clear they don't exist. the german authorities initially asked people not to release them. they wanted people to go to the investigators. so we don't know and that is interesting. because you would think they would want the public to be helping with whatever information they have. paul, do you get the sense that this environment that has been existed in germany is now changing, why they went to want people snapping all the time kbu it seems they may be more willing to change that. >> yeah. in fact this morning the german cabinet agreed to a legislative
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package to free up the possibility of more cc tv cameras around the country, more surveillance count cameras around the country. so they are taking what appears to be immediate steps in that direction. our understanding is that there were a number of cc tv cameras in the area of the vicinity of the attack and investigators were able to look through some of that footage but to compare to somewhere like london or somewhere like boston. many fewer cameras. so many fewers images coming and the boston bombing example. there were ten pterybytes of e the. >> some security cameras at least did film the seen. do you have any information they did see the suspect or whether
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they provide any clues? >> not that they have footage of the truck plowing tluf but they have access to surveillance cameras in the vibt of the attack. that is our understanding. and i think they would have lot a lot more answers more quickly. >> and at the least they wouldn't have taken the wrong guy. we lost about 24 hours if you had cameras. no one believes the cameras will stop terrorism. they are almost all instances after the fact but necessary. >> and finally i'll just say no one wants to epipretend this is an easy discussion to happen have. it is not an easy answer. it seems easy when you are in the wake of an attack like this but it is an a discussion worth having. coming up the president elect meets with his incoming national security advisor and does get
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and will be on top of things from day one. >> he's very much up to speed in what's going on and fully ready for to be sworn in and take over the role as commander in chief. >> reporter: a u.s. official tells cnn trump is averaging one formal briefing a week. the same type president obama gets every day. trump is also getting briefings on specific topics. >> the one thing i will say is president elect is receiving numerous briefings whether from his national security team, with general flinn and others, as well as the formal pbd. >> reporter: the briefings amid increasing global turmoil. relations with the u.s. the kremlin says have frozen a day after president obama imposed new sanctioned aimed at russian's involvement with ukraine. >> the next administration will
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have to make their own decisions about this. we hope they will come to see in not conducting business as usual with russia. >> reporter: all leading to the greater question, how friendly will be the incoming president be to vladimir putin. >> when he calls me brilliant a i'll take the compliment. >> he has to be more conscious about russia than he is. he needs to understand their interest and attitude does not align with ours. >> reporter: nowhere more clear than the moscow meeting of russian, iranian and turkish officials on what to do next in syria. >> all three countries presented here are united. >> reporter: but u.s. officials still do not believe they will stop talks beyond aleppo. but getting some of the national security jobs filled still on the to-do list. topping that may be a nomination for director of national
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intelligence and for mr. trump to select his white house advisers on homeland security and counterterrorism. perhaps all the more urgent given recent events. a lot to talk about now with the panel. with me now: today received the briefing and they made a point of telling us that he did. i'm wondering if this is one of those rare examples of donald trump the president elect responding perhaps to some criticism. >> i think we're probably on the safe side of assuming that
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donald trump -- >> it wasn't just the media. >> band obviously with what has been going on it makes sense he would be receiving the briefings. the question we started is the extent he's up to speed with what's going on. he's getting briefings daily from general flynn. the extent to which that actually encompasses all of the information he's going the need is a big question mark and i don't think there is a way we can find out the answer. >> they say he'll be up to speed on january 20th. he's receiving daily briefings from michael flynn. is that enough? >> no. first of all, i find it baffling if you are president elect at
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any point. but right now with things so complicated and so perilous and so dangerous in the world why you are not craving the presidential briefings. why you are not bringing in every person from every view to come in and talk to you and educate you about the options for how to deal with the options in the world. one of the things about being the president of the united states is not living in an echo chamber. not only hearing people who are going to agree with you and going to tell you what you want to hear and concerns me whether it is one a week or not today not yesterday it is clearly not daily. and i worry that the president elect seems to lack any real intellectual curiosity and deep concern about what's going on in the world. i'd love to get a briefing every day i'm so worried about what's happening in the world. but i'm not in charge. he is. and why isn't he craving every little detail. he said he knows more than the
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generals. but we have to hope that is just flippant one-liners. >> the presidential daily brief is a product. a product every president has gotten in one form or another of the sebelius of the day, the threats the world faces. if donald trump doesn't want it in that package. if he wants to be briefed on specific instances. in this terrorist attack happened -- >> -- appear on that -- >> we don't know if what his schedule was like yesterday. we don't know -- >> -- hang on -- >> -- and tell me the facts of the situation. i'm certain he did that. just because he doesn't take the pbd every day doesn't mean he's not receiving the relevant information. >> we don't know what he's receiving. and we also -- christine go ahead. >> how busy could he have been yesterday to not squeeze in,
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nonetheless clear your schedule to get briefed on what happened in berlin and what happened in turkey? there is no amount of holiday shopping -- >> but christina? -- >>[chatter]. >> this isn't about form. this isn't about whether as the -- >> do you know what kayleigh, then don't say he was because you don't know. a. >> -- >> but that is not the same thing as the briefing he received today. and the thought that he was so busy as president elect he couldn't find time to have an informational briefing from outside of his own advisor astounds me. and i'd rather not be worried at this moment and feel more confident. >> i think the reality is even though it understandably concerns you is people are going to give him wide latitude. they know president elect trump
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won in a different way. campaigned in a different way. policiwise he's doing the reverse kissinger. getting close to russia and pushing china away. so people are going to give him broad hathd. i think one of the the interesting things about where president elect trump is, like him or not he's had a relate live good transition. he's announced a number of people at this point. poll numbers seem to be in his favor. the dow is up, maybe in record territory soon. and christine, i this i the reality is, even if he think the reality is the way he's going about it isn't totally responsible, i think the reality is people are settled in with let's give him wide berth. >> the big question, will the facts give him wide latitude and will events give him? >> look how he jumped on and seized on what happened in turkey and even fwhoef what
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happened in zurich and he wove in what happened in berlin -- but he is stepping forward quickly and dominately. and even if he's wrong about zurich, people will argue that for him and in terms of his policy standing -- >> -- >> i think there are two additional piece os contact here that are important. first is he's actively undercut the cia's intelligence. and at the same time -- let me just --. also last week he said the reason he wasn't taking them every day is because he was smart. he didn't need to have the same information every day. your point about how he gets the information that is a fair point. -- >> but i think even if you are a critic of his, i think it is possible to hear all of this information and say that trump is going to get information in a variety of ways. whether we agree with it or not.
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he clearly has stocked his cabinet or initial nominees with more military people than we normally see. he's clearly someone open to questions of national security and clearly is interested in that. whether or not he goes about being briefed in ways that we think are the norm --. and i think the results are going to become most clear on iran -- >> one last point. there is a difference between the information coming from the intelligence services and information that comes through your own people. again, you know --. last question. what message do you think this does all send at this point to the intelligence services in this country? >> i don't think it sends much of a message. i think what he does as president of the united states is what's going to send the message. i think his press secretary will be asked about the russia cyberattacks. and i think the press secretary needs so say yes it happened. it had no bear tong voting that day. yes it happened. b if you were scared about donald
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trump and briefings, the last -- >> i'm going to cut it off right there. guys. thanks so much. don't go far. coming up is the president elect emulating the so called madman theory that fueled richard nixon's foreign policy. nixon's strategy was to keep his enemies guessing and sound like he was willing to go to extremes. sound like someone else we know? that's next the corkscrew spin, flawless... ...his signature move, the flying dutchman. poetry in motion. and there it is, the "baby bird". breathtaking. a sumo wrestler figure skating? surprising. what's not surprising? how much money heather saved by switching to geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more.
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so donald trump's fiercest critics would have you believe the president elect is unhinged. there are others who say mr. trump's seemingly random and statements and not only purpose. b but calculated. elise lavette reports. >> we must as a nation be more unpredictable. >> it is called the madman theory. a term and strategy taken from the playbook of richard nixon. the objective, keep your enemies guessing about your motives, temperament and willingness to go to the extreme. nixon used it to get the north vietnamese to the table by making them think he'd use nuclear weapons to defeat
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communism. >> madman theory is to basically use unpredictable, seemingly brash, bravado, over-escalation to get the other side to fall off its positions. >> reporter: trump has used similar questions about how he would handle foreign computations. refusing to rule out nuclear weapons. >> i can't take anything off the table. >> reporter: calling for ban on muslims. >> total and complete shut down of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> and most recently taking a call from the president of taiwan. a break from with diplomatic tradition billed as a calculated ploy for leverage. >> i don't know why we have to be bound by one policy unless we make a deal with china doing
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with other things. like a deal with trade or. >> reporter: and saying not to corner his adversary. >> you have to give them a way out. if you have a zero-sum game, along with a highly risky, roll the dice, look at me, means of -- you are going to sooner or later run into serious trouble zwl and unpredictable leaders like north korea's kim jong un could call his bluff. >> there is no question there is a time and place for performance art, even in diplomacy. there are times when you kind of make your adversary just not sure at all what you are going to do. but i don't think you could play that all the time and i know you can't play it as a substitute for knowing what the issues really are. >> and joining me now. cnn senior political analyst and formula are a advisor to richard nixon and three other presidents
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david gergen. jeffrey lord, and white house and state department official shammia choudary. >> you were in the nixon white house. do you buy the idea that donald trump is implementing his own version of what is known as the madman theory? >> absolutely. and john, please understand. it didn't start with nixon. it goes back a long way. macc machiavelli 500 years ago -- and i do think donald trump embraced the theory. he talks regularly of henry kissinger and kissinger often talks about this of a way of controlling events. i would say couple of words of caution about when it's used. in the nixon case it was in the context of a well-thought
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through strategy that nixon and henry kissinger advised and they constantly talked through together about that. and the secondarily, nixon used it sparingly to tell penaople, don't try to corner me. they didn't use it widely. you do want to make sure your friends know you are a reliable ally. that you are not erratic. and you want some of your enemies to know you are pretty constant in what you are trying to pursue but if you try to corner us, watch out. >> it is a much more complicated situation right now. it is not the united states very communism. it is not biep lar. there are so many actors at so many times, can this same idea apply? >>polar. there are so many actors at so many times, can this same idea
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apply? >> i think in the case of president nixon, i think he learned as vice president. it was president eisenhower and his secretary of state who promoted what they called the uncertainty principle or brinkmanship. and later nixon called the madman leader and what ronald reagan later talked about peace through strength. if something is wrong a enemies and show of willingness to be unpredictable the enemies are going to be pretty understandable hear they don't want to mess with you. note well that ronald reagan was na inaugurated and that day -- >> a lot of people look at
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donald trump and say it is erratic. but you do think this is by design, jeffrey. >> i do. absolutely i do. you know, as i said many times in terms of his business. this is a man who understands strategy very well. he is the president elect of the yates. he had a good strategy. he executed it. he's the president. yes i believe he's got a strategy. >> so what are the concerns right now within the diplomatic community about a donald trump if he is going to do this type of madman theory idea? >> well i think one of the major concerns for starters is that he actually doesn't have a strategy, that he's speaking off the cuff and he's pursuing a madman theory-like approach at the get go. which is not when you want to do it. and he's doing it in public on twitter through social media, which is probably the most
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inefblgtive way to pursue any type of negotiating tact wick a foreign government. it boxes them in way too much. usually the president is used to make policy when it is done and they will say it outloud on social media and through twitter when policy has been decided. not at the beginning. so i think there is a lot of concern in the bureaucracy in the foreign service establishment over whether the president actually has a strategy. whether he knows what he's talk about. he hasn't been getting his briefings. there is a lot of concern. >> despite the fact there may be concern within the u.s. how leaders from japan, prime minister abe has gone out of his way to meet with donald trump after the election. clearly trying to curry some favor with the man who will be president. >> well that makes a lot of sense to me. diplomacy is all about
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relationship building. it is about understanding who your counterparts are. it is about building private links with one another so that when there are public disputes the bureaucracies and leaders themselves can sort things out behind the scenes and not in public. so i think abe was doing the right thing. my bigger concern is how president elect trump will manage such things in the future should there be a conflict with the japanese. will he go to twitter first or will he go to bureaucracy and vet another talking points? that is my bigger concern. >> thank you so much for being was. appreciate it guys. and a quick reminder. top of the hour. the cnn special on isis. why they hate us. a timely report you don't want to miss. and the latest on the deadly explosion in a market packed with people buying fireworks for holiday celebration. at least 32 people were killed
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yesterday with people buying fireworks a ehead of christmas and new yoor's, and the explosion occurred. now, what do the investigators know what happened that set off the explosions? >> well, they are not really saying much. when i spoke to a mexican state government oofficial, i was told that the focus is on the victims and that said, a all day, we we are have been watching a massive evident behind this fence as investigators had dogs out, sifting through the debris trying to figure out what led to this explosion. and i should mention that i was also told that there was a 2005 incident here as well as a 2006 incident here involving injuries, and just nine days ago, we heard government state the officials here call this one of the safest markets for fireworks in latin america, and this is place where people come from across mexico to visit. especially as you mentioned for
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this time of the year. and we are still waiting to get more answers, and with know that it involved 300 vendors all of which i am told by the government official that had permits to be here. >> and leyla, you spoke to a woman missing family members, and what did she have to say? >> well, several families out here right now, and as a matter of fact a few moments ago, i had a woman stop by to hand me this. this is flyer that reads disappeared. it says -- [ speaking foreign language ] -- and she is a 44-year-old mother who still has not been found. and then, i spoke to another man, and i want you to listen for a second what happened when i talked to this woman. [ speaking foreign language ]
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>> you know, you don't have to understand spanish to understand this pain, because she is desperate to find her brother and mother, and they were here with her niece, and the niece made it out, but she has been to the morgue, and she has been to the hospital, and she came back here, and she is specifically telling me that when i asked her what do you want from the government, and she said, tell me where he is, or where she is and i will go wherever to pick them up, but i need answers. and that is something that is echoed among many of the families that are now out here for a second night in, in waiting. just waiting right outside of the fence. >> it is heartbreaking. leyla, thank you so much in mexico. and we will bring you the best news possible about a little girl caught with her family in the worst situation imaginable, and it is an update that you will want to see right after this.
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before we go, an update on the 7-year-old syrian girl who gave the world a child's view of the nightmare in a aleppo. and along with the help of her mother, she shared the plight in messages on twitter, and they begged from help from u turkey's leaders. this week, the family along with thousands of syrians were evacuated. she and her family are in turkey where they have met with president president erdowan.
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we are thrilled for her and her family. and now, stay tuned for "why they hate us" a special on isis with fareed zakaria starting right now. ♪ >> reporter: hatred so deep, it drives men to turn planes into bombs. >> a plane crashed -- >> an act of terror on our soil -- >> reporter: it is impossible to understand. impossible to get into the mind of a terrorist. [ explosion ] >> again, this nation is facing terror and tragedy. >> why do so many millions of muslims hate the usa? >> better picture this morning of the man accused of now murdering 13 people.
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