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and so there are questions about what kind of pressure he will put on different government officials about polihis busines interests. >> all right. thank you so much and thank you for watching. a erin burnett outfront otherwise starting right now. new video showing the final seconds as the truck bears down on a christmas market. and tonight the family of one of the american victims is "outfront." also about putin and front both calling for beefd up nuclear arsenals. are we headed for a new arms race? and ivanka trump harassed on a flight. while went on, i'll speak with a penlg who was sitting right in front of her. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm poply harlow in for erin
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burnett. breaking news, stunning video the moment a truck carrying 25 tons of steel crashed in to a crowd of shoppers. the video shot by a nearby cab driver as the truck climbed the sidewalk leaving 12 people dead and injuring 48 more. this as german authorities press on in the manhunt for this tunisian born man. anis amri. his finger prints found leading investigators pointing to him at the man at the wheel. and we're learning more about what german authorities knew about amri in the months before the attack. all these warning signs. according to an investigative file, a police inform apt told investigators that amri discussed committing attacks in germany.apt told investigators that amri discussed committing attacks in germany. he took a ten mile hike with others, their gom al to get thi shape to join isis. and his name was on a no-fly
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list. erin, what is the latest on the investigation? >> reporter: well, poppy about, police conducted raids in areas across germany today. they raided a migrant shelter and a busabout, police conducted raids in areas across germany today. they raided a migrant shelter and a bbout, police conducted raids in areas across germany today. they raided a migrant shelter and a bout, police conducted raids in areas across germany today. they raided a migrant shelter and a but, police conducted raids in areas across germany today. they raided a migrant shelter and a bt, police conducted raids in areas across germany today. they raided a migrant shelter and a b, police conducted raids in areas across germany today. they raided a migrant shelter and a bus and even a fport in deny mama denmark. no arrests so far. but they are considering the possibility that a pro isis recruitment are helping. a 20 metric ton truck plowed in to a berlin christmas market monday night as we're learning german authorities knew in advance that anis amri was potentially danger remember. he spoke several times about committing attacks in germany. german officials today issuing a formal arrest warrant for
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europe's most wanted man. as new evidence points to the 24-year-old tunisian as the man behind the wheel of the truck. >> translator: we were able to find fingerprints outside of the door of the truck and inside and our investigation make us assume that anis amri did drive the truck. >> reporter: a desperate manhunt for amri and possibly even more suspects has led investigators on raids across germany as far north as coastal denmark. intelligence revelations increasing the political pressure on angela merkel, germany now joining france and belgium whose intelligence services failed to stop known security risks from carrying out attacks. this as we're learning more about the suspect. in an a. radio interview, amri's father said it has been years since he's seen his son. >> it's been about seven years
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since he left home. i have not spoken to him directly for that long. >> reporter: but he revealed his son was in prison in 2011 and released in may 2015. italian authorities tried to deport him, but tooe tunisia turned him away and then two mont months later, amri crossed in to germany. a friend says he can't believe he's a terrorist. >> translator: he fled in search of a better life. >> reporter: this morning the christmas market, the scene of the attack which is just behind me, reopened. and as you can see, even at this late hour, it's about 1:00 in the morning, people are still gathering there to lay cap delle dead, a show of resilience am
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amidst so much uncertainty.dell dead, a show of resilience amidst so much uncertainty. >> mopping the 48 injured were two americans including a texas native and his german partner. joining me now on the phone is richard's brother, armando. thank you so much for being with us. you can tell us how your brother is doing? >> currently he is still in icu. he is recovering from his surgery that he had. he had to have part of his colon removed. his acl is pretty torn up. but he's being heavily sedated because of the loss of his partner of 18 years. so he is very emotional. he is having panic attacks.
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so to help him calm him down, they're giving him some sedation, tranquilizers. >> i'm so sorry. what can you tell us about his partner, peter? >> peter was a wonderful person. he was part of our family. you know, they loved to travel pep a. he and richard went everywhere together. they were here in south texas for my 60th birthday and it was all together having peter and richard of course here. and he loved to go to the island. he loved to -- they were very adventurous. he loved the island, he loved to swim. loved the sun. just loved to be outdoors. and very athletic. very outgoing. >> looking at these beautiful pictures of their smiles and everyone together, it really
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brings it home for people. when you heard about the attack and you knew your brother lived there in berlin for 18 year, did you everyone think my brother are could have been there? >> yes, yes. when i first art heard about it on the news, i was at work, i had the tv going and i said oh, dear lord, i hope richard and peter were nowhere near the market attack. i just said a prayer and kept them in my prayers. and then the u.s. embassy called my sister at 6:00 in the morning on wednesday and my sister called me to let me know. and then the embassy also called me to let us know that my brother was in icu and that peter had lost his life. >> we're all thinking with him, pee peter and your brother, wishing for the best. our thoughts with all of you. thank you very much. let's talk more about this
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investigation. let's bring in paul cruickshank look with phil mudd. and we also have a former cia counterterrorism analyst and former fbi investigator. paul, you are learning new information about an anis amri. what is the latest? >> the new information is that back in december of 2015, amri was preparing to try to go and join isis, actually going on long 20 mile treks in order to shape up for the journey, but he wasn't able to travel. he had become frustrated by that. and then started talking about launching attacks inside germany. all of that being picked up by a police informant inside this network in germany and then
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transmitted to german security officials. this recruit him network inside germany according to analysts believed to have been responsible for as many as 20 peoplehim network inside germany according to analysts believed to have been responsible for as many as 20 people joining isis. and so that is a rather large number of people. one of them, according to information in this investigative files rose to a senior level within the security status of the guard of isis, so there is strong kind of connections from germany within this network back to the isis high command. and of course we also know that there was communications going on between members of this network. and the external operations wing of isis. >> and phil, what is so stunning giving this reporting and how many connections there were, how long this was going on, how much
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they had already caught and the fact that they had tried to key port him. knowing what we know, codo you still think there not a german failure?ort him. knowing what we know, do you still think there not a german failure?knowing what we know, d still think there not a german failure? >> any intelligence official has to scratch their head and say what happened here. somebody who stated intent to conduct attack, somebody in direct connectivity with isis affiliates and people arrested by the germans, somebody who had an interest to acquire weapons. you put that into a mix and that in most security services rideses to the top. one question remain. if you choose not to pursue this person with all your intelligence assets, the examination has to be there were other priorities that you had
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that drew assets away, that drew your telephone taps away. and i have to hear an answer to that question before i make a judgment. >> we know they arrested four people in his circle. chris, we have learned tonight that amri communicated with this terror cell in germany using an encryption app known as telegram, the same app widely used by the paris taerir attaca? how tough does not make it? >> extremely tough. all these different ways of communicati communicating, encrypted ways, phones that are encrypted that manufacturers won't unlock. law enforcement probably has never had a greater challenge in terms of the technical surveillance aspect what haof w going on here. we have done a lot here in the
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united states with outreach, but we're still not quite there. there are still blind spots in the u.s. >> and one of the alleged paris attackers was hiding out for months in msafe harbor. he was only caught frankly by chance. it is likely that amri could be doing the same. the question becomes as the hours pass how much more difficult does it make it for authorities to find him if he has people helping him hide? >> that is tremendous true. one of the things is that he actually was caught in his own neighborhood. and somebody in his neighborhood actually dimed him out within 96 hours of the paris attack. and yet local police did not push that intelligence up the chain so they could actually, it. and so that is one of the difficult parts about this whole
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puzzle is that you actually have multiple law enforcement, multiple intelligence agencies all working together trying to sort out all these pieces looking for this 24-year-old man across europe. >> and phil, isn't one of the big challenges, obviously the lack of communication and some of the in-fighting between intelligence agencies across borders between european countries. they have said that that had been getting better, but could that be a challenge and create a real obstacle here for authorities in europe? >> you have to look at this as two levels. day to day cooperation across europe, we have seen brexit vote, people are talking more and more about raising walls. i think cooperation is questionable across european countries who want to protect the activities of their own citizens before those citizens commit a criminal act. but one lesson of the counterterrorism and intelligence business. dead people bring services together band when you haand wh
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people, i think for the short term that forces corporation amongst security services who couldn't afford to be embarrassed. >> and why were four people in his network arrested in november, he wasn't, even though the n they knew he was talking about committing attacks. i have to leave it there. appreciate the reporting tonight. "outfront" next, why the suspect was on the radar of u.s. officials for months before the attack. a member of the house intelligence committee joins us next. also preparing for war with donald trump. why the state of california is ready to take on the president-elect. and ivanka trump has arethat ha by a person on a commercial flight. what happened.
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group of jihadist supporters operating in central europe, a network helping to recruit fighters to join isis in syria. and some were communicating with suspected members of isis in syria. >> what kind of assistance is the fbi and intelligence community here giving to the german counter parts to try to find this guy? they didn't know his identity for the first 24 hours. he could have gotten on a plane. >> reporter: probably not on a plane, but definitely could have gone through several countries by now, you're right. the fbi has a legal attache in berlin who is in touch with the germans, but there is a lot that they can ck they can ccan do to help. in france and bell fwgiumbelgiu were able to provide key assistance. but they also have to work with thensa.
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intelligence agencies here in the united states and in europe are very concerned that isis still has some command and control capabilities in syria, they are still able to communicate and direct attacks in europe. so despite the pressure that isis is under in syria and iraq or perhaps even because of that pressure, more attacks are affected. >> ivan perez, thank you. "outfront" tonight, andre carson is the first muslim lawmaker to serve on the house. given evan's reporting, we know the suspect was on the radar of u.s. intelligence for months. he's now been on the loose more than 72 hours. plenty of time to get far especially in europe where you have these borders where he can drive from country to country. do you see this as an intelligence failure by the germans? >> i don't.
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i think that our intelligence community has been work overtime and not only capturing this would be individual, but dismantling copycat operations from occurring. during the holiday season, we know that the risk is heightened. we know that there are targets where there are huge population centers and where people go shopping. and so what is important is we're encouraging people that if you see something say something. not out of stereotype, but based off of suspicious activity. >> but german intelligence did see something. they third multiple times discussion about an attack within germany. they knew that a year prior around christmastime last year that he had been training with others in this suspected terror cell taking ten mile hikes to prepare to join isis in syria. all the warning signs were are there. some of his fellow suspected bad actors were arrested back in november. how is this not a breakdown of
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intelligence? >> i think whenever you have intelligence and local law enforcement, there will always be flaws in the system. it's an ongoing process. i remember working in indiana's department of homeland security and counterterrorism and counter intelligence, and oftentimes we would get information, a lot was very help fell aful and some no helpful. so we're constantly trying to make corrections as we work to keep he people safe. >> the president-elect previously in the campaign called for a ban on muslims entering the united states. he later called it a ban on certain countries. he talked about the use of extreme vetting. let's listen to what he said where he had when asked if the attack in germany caused him to reevaluate his position.
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i know you couldn't see that, but he said you know my plans you'll along i've been proven to be right 100 respect abo o100%. do you agree he? >> i think it's unfortunate. if you look at the program from 9/11, 2001,he? >> i think it's unfortunate. if you look at the program from 9/11, 2001,e? >> i think it's unfortunate. if you look at the program from 9/11, 2001,? >> i think it's unfortunate. if you look at the program from 9/11, 2001, it has not yielded much benefit. items it's unpatriot tiic. we don't want to single out muslims. it will discourage a lot of talent coming from our country. a lot of folks that have started businesses, hired americans and helped to make our country the great country that it is. and so my concern is that we will fuel the flames of islamphobia with this kind of approach. it was a are morel horrible tragedy for us and bad on our
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image when we did it with the japanese. and it's difficult to target someone's faith because people drop out of a faith. so to base it on a person's believe, we know there are billions of muslims that are black respect white, european, african. where do you stop with this. so i think we're setting a precedent for a downturn in this country. >> as a lawmaker, how do you feel tonight ahead of the holidays seeing what happened in berlin about a potential attack here in the united states of a similar sort? >> well, i think i commend our local law enforcement, state, federal and intelligence community for having brave men and women who serve in this capacity. brave men and women who are of
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faith and even atheist who want to keep america safe. >> but are you concerned abo about -- >> i'm always concerned. i was concerned when i worked for the intelligence fusion center in indiana. you have people who use the holiday season as a way to make a political statement. these people are cowards. >> congressman carson, i appreciate you joining me. thank you. >> thank you. o"outfrontou"outfront" next calling to strengthen its nuclear arsenal. is this the start of a new nuclear arms race? . >> we're not looking for a fight, but if necessary, we will fight to protect the values of california. fight, but if necessl fight to protect the values of california. ♪ music playing
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president-elect trump's aides quick to clarify what they say he meant when he tweeted about boosting the u.s.'s nuclear arsenal. say, quote, the united states must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such a time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes. this came just hours after russian president vladimir putin made similar comments sparking concerns of a new nuclear arms race. barbara starr is "outfront." and trump's communication team now clarifying, but what they are saying is really a totally different message from the one that trump tweeted. >> it is indeed. good evening. both trump and putin put their
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nuclear cards on the table but we don't know what either of then meant. late today the trump transition team said when mr. trump said he wanted to strength the nuclear arsenal, he was only talking about fighting against proliferation of nuclear weapons to keep nuclear weapons out of the hand of rogue nations and terrorist groups. and to modernize the nuclear fleet. but that is not what mr. trump said in that tweet. let's go back to that. he said the u.s. must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability. he mass talked about modernizing some of that force. this hours after vladimir putin in moscow also talked abouthmas modernizing some of that force. this hours after vladimir putin in moscow also talked aboutass g some of that force. this hours after vladimir putin in moscow also talked about tal some of that force. this hours after vladimir putin in moscow also talked about a similar message, mr. putin saying that we need to strengthen the military potential of strategic nuclear forces. from putin against mentioning
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missile defense in europe, something that the u.s. want, something the russians see as a threat. so both within hours of each other talking about strengthening nuclear weapons capabilities and forces and still at the end of the day what we don't know is if either of them are really talking about adding to their nuclear arsenal. >> and really diametrically opposed to what president obama committed to when he took office eight years ago, a world eventually without nuclear weapons. we'll wait for more. thank you very much. also tonight, the country's largest state getting toward battle with the president-elect. >> i got your text. >> reporter: california's most powerful lawmaker is preparing for the looping war against trump's agenda. >> we don't want to fight, we're not looking for a fight, but if necessary, we will fight to protect the values of california.
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>> reporter: what he's fighting to protect -- >> you got her and then this hipster selling their bread. >> reporter: a far cry from trump's america. >> i'm really confused when he says make america great again. >> reporter: california refuses to turn back the clock. >> given what i've seen so far with regards to the cabinet selections, there will probably be a fight very soon. >> are you up for the fight? >> of course we're up to the fight. i'm up for the fight no doubt. >> reporter: leveraging the power of america's largest state against trump. california is 13% of the u.s. economy with a gdp bigger than brazil. while trump won the country, california 40% arelatino went m left. growing more progressive on issues like the environment, minimum wage, gay rights and
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immigration. >> we will not back down. >> reporter: opening his final term, he led the charge on state bills protecting undocumented immigrants, sending a message to washington. >> we can't prohibit them doing what they want to do, but we don't have to help them. >> no more funding. >> reporter: trump has pledged to take away federal funding from so-called sanctuary cities. >> cities that refuse to corporate with federal authorities will not receive taxpayer are dollars. >> reporter: with all major california cities declaring themselves sanctuaries, he knows hundreds of millions of dollars are on the table. >> it's my hope there pts would be political retribution. >> they are creating a hysteria. >> reporter: a conservative grass roots group says state lawmakers are ignoring the 4 million californiaians who voted
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for tru trump for trump. >> we should hold and us the law. >> reporter: the senate leader says is this more about california, it is about setting an alternate agenda, proeblgtsiproeblgttecting the other americans who condition vote for trump. >> they can look for the california to heed tlead the wa. >> he has a unique perspective on immigration. his mother was an undocumented immigrant, a single mother struggling to raise three kids on her own. it is that upbringing that he says informs him as a lawmaker and it's not just powerful politicians, it's the head of the assembly and as well as the incoming attorney general who are also latino. >> thank you so much for that o"outfront." ben ferguson and keith boykin,
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nice to have you both here. keith, let me begin but. the california lawmaker really preparing for war against trump. he said yes, if that's what it takes. is that the right move? >> i think democrats have a responsibility to hold republicans especially donald trump accountable. remember donald trump spent five years delegitimizing barack obama by questioning his birth certificate. mitch mcconnell said his top priority was to make barack obama a one term president. republicans voted 60 times to repeal obamacare, who voted to shut down the government, who decided that they wanted do whatever they could to be obstructionists and they're continuing to do that even in states like north carolina where republicans are trying to prevent the new incoming governor from having the powers. so we see a pattern of obstruction nic
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obstructi obstructi obstructionism and democrats have to fight back. >> he said mcconnell said we'll make him a one term president -- >> not supporting obstructionism for the sake of obstructionism, i'm supporting accountability. remember, donald trump -- >> but republicans have plenty of reason for that because of their beliefs they saw reason for it. ben, why shouldn't lawmaker, though, listen to the will of the people in their state, a state that overwhelmingly voted for hillary clinton? >> look, this is a huge mistake to start out this way. and i understand why he's doing it. a lot of this is political posturing to act like you're somehow standing up to donald trump before he's everyone sworn into office. which if you look at the constituency in california, it's
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a smart play, but it's also putting at risk many of the people in california who need federal governmental assistance by putting them at risk and losing out at federal funding. if california wants to not have federal funds coming in that's fine we me that is more money that will be kept out there for other states that are willing to comply with the actual laws of the land. and you're advocating for law breaking because you're not going to enforce the laws of the federal government. and what democrats seem to not understand is this, they lost the election with the same talking points that you just heard. they lost the election making the argument that was just made, so i hope that they keep doing this. i hope they keep picking battles with donald trump when he hasn't even been sworn in yet because it's only going to allow them to continue to lose elections moving forward and people in california, when those federal funds stop coming in on these major issues, nethey will now he
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to answer for the kons questi s consequences for their political actions. >> and you heard that they say california should be a state that respects the law. donald trump won the electoral college. does california need to accept that? >> first of all, donald trump lost the state of california and lost the national popular vote. >> he won the presidential election in the system that we have. >> i understand that, but don't tell me that he has a mandate when the majority of american people -- >> mandate did not come out of my responding to the idea that he is -- >> but hold on -- [ everybody talking at once ] >> are you ever going to stopt ge stop defending the corruption out of- [ everybody talking at once ] >> state of california c
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contributes a lot more than that -- >> again, keep attack fly overstates. >> i'm not -- donald trump is the one attacking the states. he said that california and new york essentially don't count. that's why republicans -- >> that's not what he said at all. >> so ben, let me ask you this because the message from donald trump recently, he's been tweeting that i'll be the president for all this, is a message of unity. but his threat is california, no federal funding for any of these. is that the best strategy when you're saying i'm the president for all unity to say fine, no -- >> first of all, the fight wasn't start the ed by donald t. the fight was start the by california virtually saying hey, mr. president, here is what
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california and the middle finger and we're not going to do what the federal law says because we didn't get our way in the election. so therefore we won't comply with federal rules. >> that's what the republicans did with pobamacare. >> let me finish. >> they went to the supreme court to fight it. and they said that they weren't going to expand medicare to the people who were poor. >> how many governors did that? [ everybody talking at once ] >> they were more interested in the -- >> and there was a national exchange for that. >> don't give me a lecture about the people in california when you see that the governors in the red states are doing the same kind of -- >> sir, sir are, when you didn't set up an exchange, maybe you don't understand how laws work. when you don't set up an exchange -- [ everybody talking at once ]un. when you don't set up an
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exchange -- [ everybody talking at once ] >> as a governor you had the right to have a federal law that allowed for in to be a federal registry. i got mine through the exchange this time. i went to healthcare.gov and signed up because it was -- >> and we saw it was obstructionism. >> guys, we have to leave it there. ben, keith, thank you both. "outfront" next, carl icahn now special adviser to donald trump, will he use his influence to make even more money? questions about potential con frigt flikt of interest. and also what happened when a passenger harassed ivanka trump and her family? my next guest was sitting in the row right in front of her. th ad what bad knee? what throbbing head? advil makes pain a distant memory nothing works faster stronger or longer what pain? advil. the markets change... at t. rowe price... our disciplined approach remains.
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tonight president-elect donald trump's team float being the idea of imposing a 10% tariff on imports, critics fearing that could spark a trade war. but the trump team hopes it will be a boon to u.s. business. and trump also named carl icahn to a key advisory position. tom foreman is "outfront." >> reporter: donald trump's pick of carl icahn to advise him on government regulations appears aimed at getting rid of many of them. just listen to what icahn said about environmental protection agency rules.
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>> some people make a living studying artificial intelligence. i make it studying natural stupidity and what the epa is doing is natural stupidity. >> reporter: trump's assessment? eicoeye icahn's help will be invaluable. but icahn won't be forced to give up his mass and i have portfolio built upon investment, automotive, energy, gaming, rail car, mining, food packaging, metals, real estate. all could be affected by his regulatory reforms. so democrats are suggesting that the position is pay back for past business deals in which icahn helped trump and for icahn's political support too which clearly delighteded the
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candidate. >> kathat's a good endorsement. >> reporter: even those who think he might do a good job are urging caution. >> he will be watched and he has to tread carefully. >> reporter: he wouldn't have to be confirmed by the senate nor would there be any congressional oversight. still, the trump transition team says don't worry. >> obviously there are proper oversights and plenty of transparency when it comes to how it all ultimately comes together. >> reporter: and icahn? he told cnbc he will an up paid sharing his knowledge helping choose a staff, nothing nefarious in that. >> i'm not making any policy. >> you're helping pick some of the people who are -- >> well, i give my opinion on that. >> reporter: still, as word of icahn's new position leaked out,
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the value of an oil refinery he owns shot up by double digits. that is not his fault, but it does play to his favor and it also is the very thing that has excited these critics who are simply saying they fear the idea of such a big player in the financial world also being a referee. >> tom foreman, thank you. "outfront" now, dave gergen. so here is carl icahn's argument. he says it's crazy to say that he should sell all his holdings. i'm not making poll circumstance ju city, just advising. er interviewed scott pruitt four times and he does own the control stake in cbr energy that will benefit financially from less regulation. how do you see it? >> you can be a very successful
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businessman or you can work in the white house. you can't do both at the same time. that has been clear for a long time. and not only did we see some serious increase in his values -- in the value of his oil business, but you look at his overall enterprise today, stock price went up about 6.9%, that is one of the biggest gains of the year basically on this story. so i do think that they have to move ---it is perfectly having 34r icahn working for mr. trump in the white house, but he can't run his businesses the same way, he can advise on who the next s.e.c. chairman should be replacing -- succeeding mary jo white. >> he will be the way this is playing out. he know he has trump's ear. his argument is that less regulation doesn't just benefit perhaps this oil refinery which he says is a small part of his
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portfolio, he says this helps the middle class, helps create more jobs. here's how he put to me recently. >> when you say i own a refinery, it's a small part of my portfolio. it also helps hundreds of thousands of shareholders when we get in and clean up a company or make them do certain things. >> to that you say -- >> to that i say, listen, you know this so well, running government regulations, changing regulatory framework in washington takes a lot of work within the white house. so it starts days before regulation may come out. so he will be right in the center of that the way this is being portrayed at this moment. he will be in the center of that conversation, the decisions to make these regulatory things. and then he can move his stock portfolio around. that is called insider trading and there have serious laws about that.
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whether it afterno whether it afternoon applies to somebody in the white house, wee of it you can't be in two positions at the same time. it is a serious conflict of intere interest. and the trump people are doing a -- you can give them a lot of credit for being able to lift the stock market growth. but you can't do with such a cavalier attitude to icahn and trumps and themselves and everybody else. really asking for trouble. >> when he does eventually hold that press conference explaining his own business ties and situation there. "outfront" next ivanka trump and her family heading for an hawaiian vacation when an angry passenger confronted her today. we'll talk to the man sitting right nearby. the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose.
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why are you checking your credit score? you don't want to drive old blue forever, do you? [brakes squeak] credit karma, huh? yep, it's free. credit karma. give yourself some credit. tonight ivanka trump harassed on board a flight with
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her family. witnesses say the president elect's daughter was seated today when a male passenger saw her and her husband jared kushner and said they round the country and now our flight. and they removed that man from the plane to avoid the potential of the situation escalating. that passenger's husband intended he intended to harass them. trump organization spokesman tonight telling cnn it is an incredibly unfortunate situation. "outfront" tonight mark chef. he was sitting right in front of mark and ivanka on the plane. we see you right there sitting in front of ivanka. walk us through what happened? how did this start? what was said? >> the man got on the plane and when he saw ivanka. and there were a lot of family members there. when he saw her he was visibly upset. and he said oh this is a
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nightmare. and he was visibly shaking. and i was the security person i would have made the same call. i wouldn't have taken a chance. i'm less concerned about attacks on famous people than the attacks that we're seeing on our civil liberties on twitter right now from donald trump. he's talking about the nuclear proliferation and this story is really just a distraction from that. >> something we covered on the show tonight. you do note though, despite your very different political views from the president elect, that you believe that ivanka handled herself like a class act you say. tell me more. >> yeah. well i mean, you know, this guy was visibly upset. it was a tense interaction. and she met expectations basically. she handled it like any famous person should. if you are ivanka trump with that high profile or anyone. you expect this. i question why she was flying
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coach. maybe it was intended to instigate something like that and she got it. >> after the man left the plane. you sat in front of her and jared kushner and their children. did other passengers approach them? did they try to bring up the incident? what was the rest of the flight like? >> not that i saw. i think everyone else was fairly calm. i don't know another way it could have gone honestly. everyone -- it was a normal flight. >> mark, i appreciate you joining me. hope you are going home, going somewhere nice for the holidays. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. ♪ ♪
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. good evening. john berman here. in for anderson tonight. questions with real consequences. did the president elect of the united states join a nuclear arms race today with a tweet? did he insert himself directly into the foreign affairs of the white house and did he and company's carriers knock more than a billion dollars off a big american company's market value. fasten your seat belts. big news throughout the hour. including in berlin. new video the first we've seen in monday's truck attack