think that's a way off, the white house saying they're in the beginning stages of those discussions. >> elise, thank you very much. that's it for me. thanks very much. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." "erin burnett out front" starts right now. the white house press secretary battles with reporters over president trump's false claims that millions voted illegal illegally. it's not true. why does trump keep pushing it? and trying to embarrass trump during a confirmation hearing. and trump tells the ceos of detroit's big three he's bringing back auto jobs bigly, or did he say big league? finally the answer to this question. let's go out front. good evening. i'm burn buerin burnett.

a stunning moment in the white house briefing room. sean spicer doubling down on trump's insistence that millions voted illegally in the election. reporters pressed spicer demanding proof for what is truly an extraordinary charge because it's a charge that questions the very foundation of american democracy. it is a charge that is not grounded in fact. when our jeff zeleny asked spicer if he believed there was massive voter fraud, here's what happened. >> my job is not -- look -- >> how can he be comfortable with this win if -- >> he's very comfortable with this win. it's an electoral-based system, he got 306, 33 of 50 states voted for him. i've asked and answered this question twice. he believes what he believes based on the information provided. >> what that does mean for democracy, though? >> it means i've answered your question. >> have you? >> the president pushed the conspiracy theory that there was widespread voter fraud

repeatedly during the campaign. he made the claim even after winning the election, most recently last night. that's when he met with congressional leaders at the white house and again made the claim of millions of illegal votes and after spicer's briefing today it begs the question whether anyone in the white house can say no to president trump, can say no, we shouldn't do this, that's not true. jim acosta is "out front" at the white house. sean spicer standing by the president's claim on this. >> reporter: he is, erin. president trump has whipped up another firestorm once again repeating that false claim that millions of people voted ille l illegally in the election. what is more shocking is what you just saw with jeff zeleny, the white house is not knocking down this falsehood only saying it's what the president believes. it's a lie that won't die, at a reception with congressional leaders at the white house, president trump once again repeated hiss false claims that millions of people cast fraudulent ballots robbing him of a popular vote victory in the

november election. white house press secretary sean spicer confirmed this is what the president believes. >> the president does believe that. he has stated that before. i think he stated his concerns, voter fraud and people voting illegally during the campaign. he continues to maintain that belief based on studies and evidence people have presented to him. >> reporter: reporters pressed spicer to offer proof. >> what evidence do you have? >> as i said, i think the president has believed that for a while based on stud disand information he has. >> reporter: word of the president's mention of this falsehood spread like wildfire on capitol hill where it was rejected by both democrats and republicans. >> i think we're going to see more of this. i think we've got to be very clear we're going to correct the record and tell the truth the american people. there is no record of millions of people who are not authorized to vote. >> i wasn't there. but if the president of the united states is claiming that 3 million to 3.5 million people

voted illegally, that shax confidence in our democracy. he needs to disclose why he believes that. >> reporter: to back up the president's claim, trump aides have pointed to this 2012 study of the pew charitable trust. finding almost 2 million people are listed as dead. the study's authors made it clear they did not actually find examples of voter fraud. trump has made the claim before tweeting after the election that in addition to winning the electoral college in a landslide, i won the popular vote if you deduct the millions who voted illegally. yet another controversy overshadowing the early days of the administration, a time when the white house chief of staff would rather focus on the president's executive action, resurrecting the keystone pipeline. >> we will build our own pipeline. we will build our own pipes. that's what it has to do with. like in the old days. >> reporter: the white house says he's secure in his win. >> very comfortable with his

win. >> it's worth recalling shortly after the election mr. trump's own lawyers argued against the recount in michigan saying, quote, all available evidence suggests that the 2016 general election was not tainted by fraud or mistake. so, erin, if you believe the president's own legal team after the election, he host the popular vote because more people voted for hillary clinton than for him. >> thank you very much, jim acosta. "out front" now, drew griffin, gloria borger, mark preston, ms. henderson with me. the president saying 3.5 million illegal votes. true it would be the biggest scam in american political history. you have investigated the claim and looked and the studies that the president is apparently looking at. what did you find? >> during the campaign, when then president trump was making these claims, we specifically begged the campaign to give us the proof behind all this. they sent us a list of five or six different things, supposedly

that mr. trump based this decision on or his conclusion on. we went through step by step calling the authors of the st y studi studies, calling the secretaries of state that were involved in some of these stories, calling the philadelphia city commissioner, a republican, i might add, concerning the voter fraud issues. all of them said there was just no way any of this made any sense. they had very, very tiny amounts of potential voter fraud cases going on in the state of colorado, a total of six, six people involved. so it doesn't make any sense. and when you hear these things coming out again, i mean, it's not just that there's no proof of what he is saying is true. there is proof that what he is saying is not true. i think that's why it's so troubling for sean spicer to answer these questions. >> or not answer them is what you're saying. republicans stood up against trump today. he called these secretaries of

state, people involved in philadelphia, republican, they're saying there's no evidence of this at all. you heard lindsey graham. here is speaker ryan and mike huckabee today talking about trump's claim. >> i've seen no evidence to that effect. i made that very clear. >> i have no evidence whatsoever and i don't know that anyone does. >> clearly he does not care. the president does not care about what his own party says because they're not jumping on board of this at all. >> that's right. it's in some ways a replay of the campaign where donald trump is on one side and he has what he might call the party elite on another side. so i think in that way, it doesn't really matter to donald trump what those folks say. i think, you know, donald trump sees himself as the leader of a movement, and those are the people we saw him communicate to in the very emotional way on inauguration day. and i think he is doing the same thing here. he's talking to a very specific audience, an audience in many

ways that's been primed to believe conspiracy theories because in some ways donald trump has been a conspiracy theorist starting with the birtherism. in this i think republican-base audience has been primed to believe things about voter fraud for years and years and years. so in that way, i think it works for him politically and it really binds his audience together to have him embattled, right, not only em battled with the press but embattled in going against those republicans as well. >> mark, i guess to those people it doesn't matter. you have someone like drew griffin here who went, found out what studies they were looking at, pulled every one, talked to every single person involved, and reached the clear conclusion that this is completely and utterly untrue. trump doesn't care. >> doesn't care. and there are to -- so many problems with this right now, right. there are problems with the fact that donald trump either is lying right now or he's delusional about what the outcome was or quite frankly maybe he's so insecure about

being questioned about the popular vote. but the really big problem for me right now is if you are a foreign leader and you're looking to have a discussion with donald trump about a very big issue, a major issue, if you are a congressional republican, a congressional democrat and you see donald trump staking your claim on an issue that we know is a ridiculous and b false, can you've got to wonder, can i trust this man when i have a conversation on legislation, on a trade pact, on sending troops into another country. i think this is a much bigger issue than what donald trump is saying about the voter fraud here in the u.s., which we all know is false. >> and, drew, something you wanted to say. >> just to piggyback on that, sean spicer said in that exchange with jeff zeleny that mr. trump's conclusion was based on information he was provided. there's a much deeper story here. who's providing mr. trump with this kind of analysis that can't see through what we saw through

with just a couple days worth of phone calls? i think that could speak to much bigger issues and bigger decisions yet to be made in this trump organization, trump presidency. >> gloria, nobody says no to trump. sean spicer knows this is completely untrue. he obviously didn't stand there in the oval office and say i'm not going to go out and defend this. he didn't do that the other day either. not just picking on sean. nobody in the room is doing it. >> he was very careful to say "the president believes." and jeff zeleny tried to pin him down and say do you believe it and sean ducked that part of the question and he kept saying, the president believes. the question that i have is your question. who in the white house is going to say to the president you can't do this? because not only are you undermining yourself, you're undermining democracy, you're undermining your own victory, you're undermining the message of the first important weeks of your presidency. and you are also undermining

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. breaking news, the vote for nikki haley overwhelming. and ben carson for hud. these will go to the floor and pass. there were some serious fireworks on capitol hill today. trump's picks for health and human services, which will of course oversee obamacare and budget director both had a very hot tday opinio. manu raju is out front. >> reporter: congressman tom surprise under fire from senate democrats in a contentious hearing over his nomination to lead the health and human services department. democrats pushed price to explain what he would do to replace obamacare. >> what we have after the repeal is trump care. >> reporter: price often deflecting questions, including whether he was working directly with trump on a plan to replace obamacare. >> president trump said he's working with you on a replacement plan for the aca,

which is nearly finished and will be revealed after your confirmation. is that true? >> it's true that he said that, yes. [ laughter ] >> reporter: and refused to say how he would implement a trump executive order, giving the secretary the power to weaken obamacare. >> yes or no -- under the executive order will you commit that no one will be worse off? >> what i commit to, senator, is work with you and receiver single member of congress to make sure we have the highest quality of health care and that every single american has access to affordable coverage. >> reporter: price has faced growing questions about his investments in health care companies. while pursuing legislation affecting those firms. including after a cnn report last week showing the georgia congressman investing in a medical device maker shortly before introducing a bill to aid the company. >> set aside the legal issues. it is hard to see this as

anything but a conflict of interest and an abuse of position. >> reporter: republicans quickly left to price's defense saying he fully complied with the law. >> does it burn you they want to hold you to a different standard now that you're a nominee than they are as a member? well, we know what's going on here. >> we do. >> reporter: price not the only trump nominee in the hot seat. congressman nick mulvaney, trump's choice as budget director, acknowledging he failed to pay taxes on a babysitter for his triplets. >> it's a mistake that's been made, i now know about it, how do we fix it? >> reporter: facing criticism from from john mccain for supporting defense spending. >> the answer is withdrawal all troops from afghanistan? that is crazy.

don't you know where 9/11 come from? >> reporter: i talked to john mccain after a hearing and asked him, are you going to support mulvaney? he said he hasn't decided yet. he also said he hasn't al layed any of concerns at this point. but, erin, i am told by a top republican, ron johnson, who chairs one of the key committees that will oversee mr. mulvaney's nominati nomination, if it does stall in the committee, republican leaders are prepared to move it directly to the floor and avoid the opposition because they're dead set on getting trump his budget director. >> "out front" now, the democratic senator from massachusetts, ed markey, member of the senate foreign relations committee and science and transportation. senator, you just saw some of the heated exchanges there with tom price and nick mulvaney. did either do anything to win you over? >> well, no. they have big questions they have to answer. it goes right to the heart amongst other things of the health care system in our

country. mulvaney actually supports raising the eligibility age for medicare to age 67. he supports raising the eligibility age for social security to 70. he actually doesn't support raising the debt limit, which will create an incredible fiscal crisis in our country, calling into question the credibility of the united states of america, and he doesn't believe in climate science, which also is something he's responsible for funding. meanwhile, representative price has no answer for what will happen to people who are now covered by obamacare. will trump care cover them? he still has no answer for it. and he wants to privatize medicare and he wants to basically gut medicaid as we know it today, which provides for tens of millions of americans the coverage they need, including 1.6 billion american who is get coverage for substance abuse treatment. >> are you decided, then, you're a no vote on both? >> i am a no vote on both of

them. they are not the appropriate people to be running these two critical agencies in the united states. >> i want to play one specific exchange from nick mulvaney's hearing today. one of your colleagues, senator mark lee, forced him to admit president obama had a larger inauguration crowd than president trump. this happened today in the hearing. let me play the exchange for you. >> i have behind me two pictures that were taken at about the same time of day in 2009 and 2017. which crowd is larger, the 2009 crowd or the 2017 crowd? >> senator, if you allow me to give disclaimer i'm not sure how this ties to omb, i'm happy to answer your question. which is from that picture it appears the crowd on the left-hand side is bigger than the crowd on the right-hand side. >> the reason i'm raising this is because budget often contain buried deceptions. you and i talked in my office about the magic asterisks.

this is an example of where the president's team on something very simple and straightforward wants to embrace a fantasy rather than a reality. >> senator, do you think that was an appropriate question? >> honestly, it just goes to president trump's credibility on all issues, including what he's going to do on health care. president trump sees people on inauguration day and on election day that weren't there. and that's i think the concern that ordinary people have. will they be seen by the president when he puts together a new health care plan? will they be seen when they are concerned about the rising tides that are hitting the shores where they live? and so the whole issue here of the president's credibility goes to the quality of people who he is nominating for these posts.

and there was -- >> i understand. we all know this is something that matters to the president, this particular issue of crowd size, okay, whatever you may think about it, it matters to him. i fess the question is was the senator trying to dig at the president with this setup instead of focussing in on the reali real issue? was it a bit of a grandstand? >> yes and no. i asked rex tillerson if he agreed with the president that it would be okay if we had a nuclear arms race with russia and he said no, he did not. i asked pruett pruett scott pru agreed with donald trump that the chinese say climate change is a hoax. he said no, he did not. >> the size of the crowd versus omb is what seems to be -- >> i understand what you're saying. but from my perspective, it goes to the whole question of whether or not donald trump is taking this entire job as president seriously including, you know,

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>> reporter: it feels a constant theme. >> we have 7,000 people outside trying to get in. >> reporter: president trump portraying himself as the leader of aun unprecedented grassroots wave. >> we have massic crowds. something's happening. >> reporter: just days after his inauguration his white house team is acting like they're under siege. >> there's this constant attempt to undermine his credibility and the movement that he represents. >> reporter: repeatedly insisting he won not only the electoral vote but the legitimate popular vote as well, even though election results show that is patently false. >> it honestly looked like a million and a half people. >> reporter: arguing his inaugural audience was bigger than any other, despite many analysts and photo showing a totally different story. >> the point is not the crowd size. the point is the attacks and the attempt to delegitimize this president in one day. and we're not going to sit around and take it. >> donald -- >> reporter: close watchers of trump suggest he's always been

obsessed about the viewership for his reality tv show, the value of his name, even his followers on twitter. the attacks hillary clinton support on the campaign as paltry. >> she has crowds so much smaller than ours. >> reporter: yet now congressional democrats have given him new reason to bris until a political sense. >> i don't see this president-elect as a legitimate president. >> reporter: dozens stayed away from the inauguration, but the new president has not backed down from his critics or any challenges to his version of the truth. >> i have a running war with the media. they are among the most dishonest human beings on earth. >> reporter: and on it goes. even in his first meeting with some congress members. >> he didn't change his point of view on the crowd size. it was -- >> was it brought up? >> to his perspective it was a very large crowd. >> reporter: so why do president trump and his team keep insisting they have such huge followings and such unprecedented numbers?

well, remember, he came to town on a populist wave and that may have something to do with it because in this town, as long as other lawmakers believe he has a lot of people out there behind him, a lot of people, they may be a little more hesitant to challenge him. erin? >> tom, thank you very much. "out front," now, the author of "hillbilly elegy: request memoir of family culture and crisis." and author of "the truth about trump." michael, i've known donald trump for over a decade. and over that time, one of his favorite topics was discussing the ratings of a tv show. he appeared on every conversation he included that. at some point he included it. you also spent a lot of time with trump and talking to him what he cares about. this obsession on crowd sizes, vote totals, this is the core of who he is, isn't it? >> well, it is. and, you know, he used to pressure his pr man for "the apprentice" to go out and push the media to report that it was

number one. and at the time it was number 70, number 72, so it caused a problem for the folks who work for him. i also think, erin, we have to be aware of when he fights with the most dishonest people in the world, which include me and you, he's not fighting with anybody else. so it's convenient to him to have this battle, this running battle as he says, even if it's invented, with the media. >> so j.d., you know, the reason he does this, regardless of whether the numbers he's saying are are true or not, is because it works for him. you look back at "the apprentice," the fact that it was number 73 and he's saying it was number one, the public perception became it was the top-rated show. it worked for them then. it is working for him now with his supporters, isn't it? >> i think it may have worked as a tv show personality. i don't necessarily think it works for him politically with his core supporters right now. one of the things i hear a lot

is they like that he hits back, fights back against the media, but the same teem who say that don't understand why there's been this obsession over crowd sizes. i don't think it's one or the other. you can like trump's personality but also pick his battles wisely. >> whether it's crowd sizes or who's showing up to vote on election day, you're saying they like that he fights back but maybe not on those things. >> i was talking to a friend of mine who supported donald trump, and one of the things she said is just who cares? why is the media talking so much about crowd sizes? why is the president talking so much about crowd sizes? but one important thing that came up in our conversation is she wasn't totally sure that she could trust the media, so she referenced a media report that later turned out to be false, and she really was searching for a credible source of information. i think it speaks to something important at this moment, which is that the media has to really tread lightly and try very hard to reinforce its own credibility. >> so let's talk about this,

michael. when trump was at the cia this weekend, he spoke about how many times he's been on "time" magazine. this to me was a perfect example of how much he cares about these sorts of things. here's how he said it at the cia. >> saw a reporter for "time" magazine and i had been on their cover like 14 or 15 times. i think we have the all-time record in the history of "time" magazine. like if tom brady's on the cover it's one time because he won the super bowl or something, right? i've been on for 15 times this year. i don't think that's a record that can ever be broken. >> so michael, let me put this out there for the fact ps. this is a ridiculous thing to have to talk about. he brings that up, we fact check it and somehow we're also a part of this. but according to time trump has been on the cover 11 times, clinton 19 times since 2013. nixon had the record, actually 55 times and i don't think trump wants to break that for obvious reasons. why does he do this, michael?

why does he do this? you know when he said that he had no idea if it was true. >> it really matters to him to be the most something, to have the best, the other. you know, it's not enough for him to have been on the cover a certain number of times. he wants to beat everyone. and this is why the vote count really bothers him. everyone accepts that he's president of the united states. really the only one who's talking about his credibility or his legitimacy is now trump himself. everyone's trying to move on and what's strange is that he keeps reviving these issues. and i do hear from a lot of trump supporters who are asking me, doesn't this distract from his agenda? i think it does. at some point, he should just be the president and stop fighting over numbers that he can't validate. >> j.d., though, from supporters

you're talking to, is this as trump declares that he has a war with the media, we see it as we're doing our job to speak truth to power and to check the president on his facts. but he's from portraying it a bit differently. is that playing to his favor right now? >> well, i think it plays to his favor in some cases, right, he's picking a fight folks feel legitimate when a figure has been unfair to the president, that will help him. but this is really an important point to note that a lot of people just don't care about this crowd source stuff, krout size stuff so, i think it's ultimately viewed as abstraction and because of that, it will probably hurt him a bit. >> thank you both very much. i appreciate your time. next, breaking news on what donald trump plans to do through executive orders tomorrow. as i said today, the tpp, also the keystone pipeline. a lot tomorrow. also trump about to change the world for 20 million americans.

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i'm not sure providing health insurance for my family is a viable option. >> that's okay. i'll help you. >> reporter: across town, vanessa ramirez calls her obamacare story a success. so this is you. >> yeah. that was me. >> how old were you? >> 23. >> reporter: despite her pre-existing condition as an ovarian cancer survivor, ramirez, a married mother of two, still got obamacare. her lower income with tax subsidies means a monthly premium of just $125. what happens when the aca is repealed? >> it gets me emotional. it frustrates me. >> reporter: president trump points to this state as a reason for immediate repeal. >> in the great state of arizona as an example premiums are going up more than 116%. >> reporter: that 116% increase, by the way, true. >> i think that obamacare for

arizona has been a monumental failure. >> reporter: republican governor doug ducey says arizona once had some of the lowest premiums in the country. under obamacare insurers struggled with new regulations and underpriced plans. the result? they flood the state and prices shot up. but the law has also insured more than 400,000 low-income arizonans, a repeal could evaporate more than $300 million in medicaid expansion funds. you have confidence that will be a sufficient replacement? >> oh, i have confidence there will be a sufficient replacement. we don't want to see any arizonan have the rug pulled out from underneath them. ♪ happy birthday >> reporter: on a day she celebrated her son's 6th birthday, it's hard to miss vanessa's sense of urgency. >> it's a lot of we're going to keep it, we'll keep it, that's nice to say, but i want to see it be done. >> reporter: erin coleman, who's bracing for a massive blow to his budget, has a different

message for washington. >> come um with a plan for your constituents that you would sign up for yourself. >> reporter: and there is the big question mark. if you ask arizona governor what he wants, he wants a plan with more flexibility, more competition, fewer regulations, something that's a little looser, something that arizona can work with. but he has just one vote in this matter. he says he is talking to the trump administration, that the administration has been listening, erin. but there are other states who are also going to have their input. erin? >> thank you. "out front" next, the breaking news, president trump expected to announce executive orders tomorrow. these are crucial ones. everyone's been waiting to hear nies new restrictions on refugees and visas from middle eastern countries. and trump bringing back a favorite expression from the campaign trail. what exactly is he saying here? >> so we're going to start winning again and we're going to win bigly.

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major campaign promise and signed executive orders tomorrow. these are significant orders. we understand there to be two broad categories, one, restricting refugees coming to the united states, and the second one banning visas from seven minority countries until dhs can change the vetting process. elise, what more are you learning? there are seven countries involved in the ban? >> that's right. and they include iran, iraq, syria, libya, other countries that donald trump has said that were kind of terror-prone countries and basically, i think you could see this as an evolution of what started as what president trump called on the campaign trail a muslim ban. he said perhaps we should ban all muslims from the country because the majority of terrorist attacks are coming

from what he calls radical islamic terrorism. over the course of the campaign he calls that extreme vetting. you could see this as part of the extreme vetting there will be a lot of restrictions on refugees coming into the country and for the time being he'll ban visas from those countries until what he says there can be a stricter vetting process. >> banning visas. do you see it also as likely a refugee ban for now? i think it's going to be -- listen, the whole process for the united nations, i think what you're going to see it from much tougher regulations on refugees coming in. listen, to be fair, refugees coming into the country from any country around the world are subject to some of the already strictest vetting from any type of visa, any person that comes to the united states.

that could get even tougher. already as it is, refugees from syria, which is where this all generated during the campaign, it's -- not sure how much tougher that could be. but that's basically what the plan is. >> elise, thank you very much. mark preston, our senior political analyst, is back with me. these are incredibly significant moves. he said he would do these things. he's doing them by executive order. seven countries on this visa ban list, all of course muslim countries and also this ban on refugees for now until the system -- they have a chance to go through the vetting. >> right. you know, this is something, erin, donald trump talked a lot about on the campaign trail. as elise said, he talked about a muslim ban, talked about extreme vetting of any refugees coming in. but this is something that's going to play well with his base and probably quite well with a lot of people in the united states that are afraid of terrorists coming into the country and doing something. i would like to say this is

probably the most controversial thing he's done today but he's overshadowed himself with his lies about the -- about voting. >> the politics, though, of this are significant and i think we need to make this point. there are more muslim countries in the middle east who are not on this list than are on this list. it's going to come down to politics as to which country got on and which sunt. egypt, saudi arabia, kuwait are not on the list. iran, iraq, syria, sudan, somalia, yemen, they're on the list. >> when you look at some of those countries you mentioned like saudi arabia, they are considered an ally of the united states and help keep a foothold in trying to keep the middle east stable at this point. so again, erin, this is going to be something that is going to be embraced. look, if you don't like donald trump, you're not necessarily going to like his decision to move forward on this. but if you like him, you think he's following through on this promises. >> thank you very much. next, jeanne moos on one of president trump's favorite words. or is it two words?

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news & world report" to report trump pushes for bigly manufacturing revival. but it was also the revival of bigly, a word often attributed to trump during the campaign. >> i'm going to cut taxes big league and you're going to raise taxes big league. >> we have to solve it big league and strongly and that's what's happened. >> reporter: what did he say? what we need is an acoustic wave form and speck to graphic analysis. actually, a linguist at the university of california, berkeley, did those tests and determined that trump was saying -- >> big league. big league. >> reporter: big league. not bigly. though bigly is in the dictionary. >> bigly? bigly? >> reporter: an adverb meaning in a big manner. >> we're going to win big league. >> reporter: cue the mockery, win bigly? good grief. we will make american win bigly and grammar loses goodly. make america bigly again. >> bigly. >> not funny.

big hi not funny. >> america's going to start winning and winning bigly. >> reporter: but bigly began losing when an interviewer asked the donald himself what he'd been saying. >> i use big league. >> i was right. big league. you've settled it. >> okay? >> reporter: that didn't stop meriam webster from honoring bigly as the most looked-up word that was never actually used in 2016. now president trump is not using it again. >> it's happening bigly. >> reporter: the good, the bad, and the bigly even made it onto a t-shirt. we need to cut bigly down to size. >> cut taxes big league. >> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn. >> did you just say bigly? >> reporter: new york. >> that's neat. actually an adverb. all right. tomorrow on "out front," our special series on the battle to build a southern border wall continues. this incredible reporting by v laven der ra. tomorrow night thrive the

arizona/mexican border where mexicans have been crossing into the u.s. illegally. guards determined to keep them out. thanks for joining us. watch the show anytime, anywhere on cnn go. see you back here tomorrow. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. thanks for joining us. the president believes what he believes. that's what sean spicer, the white house press secretary said about the president's claim millions of illegally documented immigrants voted illegally for hillary clinton. let's be clear, there is no evidence that happened. if it did, it would be an extraordinary fraud. if it happened you would think there would be calls for a congressional investigation and justice department hearings. if the president really believed it would happen you would think he himself would be calling for those investigations. now, either the president believes something for which there is no evidence and is false or he doesn't really believe it and is just using this as an excuse to expl