the world that nothing stays local for long? what goes on at any country can go over its borders and come and hurt everybody else, including us. we need a new operating system for the world. those are the kinds of conversations we need to have, but that's going to take serious diplomacy, and again, pushing back against russia, working with china, and i think we have to save things like nato, we have to save the european union. europe has been extraordinarily stable after a terrible first half of the 20th century. i think we have to calm things down there as well. >> how big a deal is the theresa may meeting with president trump? people expected it to be a hug, you know, a kind of brexit shared populism hug, but she's very strong on nato. what's the chance that this could go the wrong way, this meeting? >> i think most of the symbolism will be about brexit and the eu, and i think that's a little bit unfortunate, because it sends the signal that somehow we favor the dismantling, again, of european relationships that have kept this part of the world stable for the country.

i think what he hears about nato is important, alliances are an important foundation stone of world order. again, we live the hard way in the 20th century, that when the stability of europe goes south, the united states pays a huge price. again, nothing is local in the world. we live in a world that what happens anywhere is going to come back and affect us. there is no las vegas anywhere in the world. what happens there doesn't stay there, it comes here. we have to be extraordinarily mindful of that. >> the book again is "a world in disarray." richard haass, thanks for being here. good talking to you. >> thanks for having me. you'll be watching cnn newsroom in just a moment. for the rest of us viewers, "new day" continues right now. >> the day is over when they can stay in our country. >> building the $28 billion wall is not an immigration policy. >> that wall will cost us nothing. >> is tuesday's meeting with mexico's president in jeopardy? >> we'll defend all of our people regardless of their documentation status. >> i asked him the question,

does torture work? and the answer was yes. >> the law of the land in america is you can't torture. >> what's going on with voter fraud is horrible. there are millions of votes, in my opinion. >> what we ought to be concerned about are all the people who are being denied the right to vote. remembering the iconic mary tyler moore. >> she opened the door for unbelievable comic women. ♪ who can turn the world on with her smile. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> the music makes me smile just hearing that. we'll talk about mary tyler moore, coming up. president trump's plan to build the wall along the mexican border is shaking up the world in both countries. mr. trump vows to begin building that wall within months, and he insists that mexico will pay for it without giving any details. >> mexico's president slamming

mr. trump's plan, saying they will not pay for a wall. their face-to-face meeting next week at the white house may now be in jeopardy. president trump also discussing his plan to investigate voter fraud, saying waterboarding definitely works. lots to discuss in the first seven days of the trump administration. let's begin our coverage with cnn's sara murray live at the white house. >> good morning. we already see they're growing tense relationships between the u.s. and mexico. that's because trump signed an executive order saying he's ready to move forward with this border wall. he's raising alarm from members of both parties as he touts the values of torture. >> we will be, in a form, reimbursed by mexico. >> so they'll pay us back? >> absolutely. 100%. >> reporter: president trump reiterating his promise that mexico will pay for the bordered wa wall, but offering few details.

hours after ordering executive funds to build that wall -- >> this will be a transition with mexico. that wall will cost us nothing. >> reporter: his rhetoric is ramping up tension with president nieto. he is considering cancelling next week's meeting with trump. pena nieto defiantly responding to president trump in a video address to the nation, saying mexico does not believe in walls and it won't pay for one. president trump also continuing to peddle the false claim that voter fraud cost him the popular vote. >> you have people that are registered who are dead, who are illegals, who are in two states. there are millions of votes, in my opinion. >> reporter: vowing to launch a major investigation, trump erroneously cited a pugh study where the author found no evidence of voter fraud. >> then why did he write the report? then he's gro verksveling again. i always talk about the

reporters that grovel when they write something you want to hear that not necessarily millions want to hear but have to hear. >> people across the country say there's no proof of voter fraud. secretary nominee steve mnuchin and the president's chief strategist, steve bannon, were each registered to vote in two states on election day. the "washington post" reports that the president's daughter tiffany was also registered in two states. president trump digging in on another controversial campaign promise, his pledge to bring back waterboarding. >> i want to do everything within the bounds of what you're allowed to do legally. but do i feel it works? absolutely, i feel it works. >> reporter: ultimately saying he'll will let his cia director and attorney general decide whether to reinstate it.

>> when isis is doing things we haven't seen since medieval times, would i fight waterboarding? as far as i'm concerned, we have to fight fire with fire. >> reporter: trump's tough talk extending to chicago as well, where he'll say he'll send the feds to combat violence. >> it's horrible carnage. afghanistan is not like what's happening in chicago. people are being shot left and right. thousands of people over a short period of time. i don't want to have thousands of people shot in a city where essentially i'm the president. so all i'm saying is to the mayor who came up to my office recently, i say, you have to smarten up and you have to toughen up, because you can't let that happen. that's a war zone. >> reporter: now, donald trump has a busy day ahead of him. he'll be heading to the republican retreat in philadelphia later on today where he and his gop allies can hash out their plans for his first 200 days in office.

trump may also take more executive actions today to push forward this voter fraud investigation that he said he wants to pursue, and we are also expecting executive actions on trade. back to you guys. >> okay, sara, thank you very much for that. so mayors of so-called sanctuary cities across the country are fighting back. they vow to defy president trump's executive orders aiming at government orders that do not comply with federal authorities on immigration. new york city is a sanctuary city, and mayor de blasio joins us now. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> what do you think of president trump's crackdown on major cities? >> it's going to make cities less safe. >> how so? >> i think in sanctuary cities we've lost the underlying meaning. if you want to know what it means, ask our police commissioner. our commissioner stood with me yesterday and said, look, we've spent decades building relationships with communities, including inner city communities. this is the type of thing that

will destroy that progress and make it impossible for police officers to keep the cities safe. new york city is half a million undocumented people. if they believe by talking to a police officer they will get deported and torn apart by their family, they're not going to work with police. by the way, that policy in new york city of respecting that confidentiality goes back to the administration of rudy giuliani and ed koch. >> that makes perfect sense for the law-abiding, undocumented immigrants. but there are some sanctioned cities, and maybe new york city is one of them, who says they won't work with ice even with people in jails. why not hand over the people who have committed these crimes to ice agents? >> another misunderstanding about the so-called sanctuary cities. here's a list so far of 170 offenses that if someone is undocumented, they commit this offense, we will work with ice and they will be deported. >> but are those low level offenses or high level offenses? >> these are serious crimes,

violent crimes. even possession of a weapon, for example, of any kind. 170 offenses that if an undocumented person commits, that triggers by new york city law, cooperation with ice for deportation. >> what about theft? >> any theft involving a weapon, for example -- >> just a regular, low-level crime. >> for example, small amounts of marijuana possession. going through a stoplight that doesn't cause any damage to anyone, those are areas where we will not work to see someone deported. why? because these are members of a family in our community, say it's the breadwinner in the family. so you deport the breadwinner and the rest of the family, including the children, are left without anyone. you tear a family apart. that is not good government. this is where the whole thing gets so confused, alisyn. this is about human beings, families that came here. i believe people should follow the law, i don't believe people should violate our borders, but for hundreds of years, this has been a challenge for our

country. you have people here now. what are we going to do with 11 or 12 million people in our midst? if they commit a crime, absolutely they should be deported. if they're a law-abiding citizen who has done things that people we know may have done, we cannot see them deported and families torn apart. >> correct me if i'm wrong. it sounds like new york city gets $8.8 billion in federal funds, and there is something like $156 million at stake here if president trump decides to pull federal funds from new york city. what would that do to you in new york city? >> here's the amazing thing about the executive order. first of all, we think it's very susceptible to legal challenge. >> they can't pull that money from -- >> again, if they make an attempt to pull that money, it would be from the nypd. it would be from security funding from the nypd to fight terrorism and protect foreign leaders who come to new york city to go to the u.n. if an attempt is made to do that, we will go to court immediately for an injunction to stop it. we believe the order is vague

and sometimes contradictory. supreme court justice roberts in 2012 said, it is inappropriate for the federal government to attempt to take federal funding, broad brush, away from a state or city because broad policy matters. justice roberts, our current justice of the supreme court, wrote this decision and said it has to be very narrowly drawn. in this case it would be the homeland security and justice department. what do they fund? the nypd. >> attorney general jeff sessions says he is willing to sue sanctuary cities like new york city. how much cause of concern does that give you? >> i believe that we are on very strong ground. why? because for decades in this city through republican, democratic and independent administrations locally, we have had a policy that said we're going to be careful with our immigrant populations not to create an environment where they can't work with police. that's the number one core of what we've been doing. we've done that effectively. we're the safest big city in

america. it's part of what made us safe. if the attorney general is going to act on policy that will make cities less safe and police chiefs all over the country are saying, don't do that, it's actually going to hurt us, and he says, no, i'm going to do it but i'm going to take away your money. it's a double jeopardy for our police departments. the money he will take away will actually be from police departments trying to stop terror and trying to stop crime. >> speaking of you being the safest big city in america, president trump has talked about chicago. he said there is carnage there, he's called it a war zone. their crime rate has gone up. what should mayor rahm emanuel be saying in response to this? if president trump would be talking about new york city in those terms, what would the response be? >> chicago is tragic, and i feel for the people of chicago. new york among them have had the opposite reality. crime continues to go down in new york city, and the relationship between police and community is getting closer. that is the way forward. it is about binding police and community together, it's about

neighborhood policing -- >> are they not doing that in chicago? >> i'm not familiar enough with the details to say, but i can say this much. what president trump has said, for example, is that we should reinstitute the policy of stop and frisk. it's one thing that divided police and community here in new york city. we reduced that steadily and crime has continued to go down steadily. i think the bottom line for chicago and everywhere is we need to continue to heal the wounds of the past, show communities that police are on their side and show police that communities can be on their side as partners. it takes real hard work. it means more police. we just added 2,000 more police officers here in new york city over the last two years so we could do neighborhood policing. i think if president trump wants to help the people of chicago, then provide mare emanuel with support to add police officers and implement neighborhood policing. don't go back to a broken policy of stop and frisk. >> i want to ask you about what president trump has said about the so-called dreamers, the children, the undocumented children who were brought here through no choice of their own. let me play for you what he just said last night.

>> they shouldn't be very worried. they are here illegally. they shouldn't be very worried. i do have a big heart. we're going to take care of everybody. we're going to have a very strong border. we're going to have a very solid border. where you have great people who are here who have done a great job, they should be far less worried. we'll be coming out with policy on that over the next period of four weeks. >> but mr. president, will they be allowed to stay? >> i'm going to tell you over the next four weeks. >> they shouldn't be worried. what does that say to you? >> we should worry about the president's choice of words. he changes his mind, he changes his words quite a bit. the good sign of what he's saying is that the dreamer, the young people who came here through no choice of their own and grew up as americans, if he's going to take a positive view toward them, and that's millions of people, that's a good sign. when we met before the election, i told him, you have to remember that people across the country, these people are contributing to our economy. they're talented young people

who have a lot to give to america, and they've known no other country. he did seem to acknowledge that reality. but i think we have to be careful here. this is a man who told us just a few days ago that millions of illegal aliens, in his view, undocumented people, had voted in the election. there is no proof whatsoever. i think we should be very careful about his words, wait to see action. but i would urge him to acknowledge what i think most americans understand. if a young person came here as a child, no choice of their own, and grew up as an american, only knows america, it would be immoral to send them to a country they really have no connection to at this point. >> the first lady is staying here for barron, their son, to finish school. what's that like for the police? what's the protection like for the first lady and the son living here, which has never happened before? >> it's never happened before, it's unprecedented. it's put a huge strain on the nypd to protect not only the first family and the staff

that's been working at trump tower but trump tower itself, which is a very centrally located and very vulnerable building. we've pulled out the stops to make sure they're protected and to make sure the building is protected. it's now a symbol of the national administration, so it has to be well protected. it's costing us about half a million dollars a day to secure a building that is exposed on three sides and has a public atrium. we're going to keep doing that, it's the right thing to do. but we do expect the congress to reimburse the people of new york city and the nypd so we can continue to do the work of safety all over this city. >> mr. mayor, thanks so much for coming in to "new day." always a pleasure. chris? when it comes to the wall, signing an executive order was the easy part. how would our new president pay for this wall? you need congress for that. and all that money. would it be going toward the real problem with immigration? one republican senator gives us his take. it will surprise you.

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president donald trump's wall along the mexican border promise is causing a big rift with leaders of both countries.

but mexico's president says again he's not going to pay for the wall. in an address to the nation last night, that's what he said to his mexican constituents. the president of the united states is saying something very different. are we going to get stuck with this bill as a result of this conflict? joining us now is republican senator cory gardner of colorado. senator, thank you for being here. let me play for you what the president of the united states said last night. >> the american taxpayer will pay for the wall at first? >> all it is is we'll be reimbursed at a later date from whatever transaction we make from mexico. >> mexico's president said in recent days that mexico absolutely will not pay, adding that it goes against our dignity as a country and our dignity as mexicans. he says we simply aren't paying. >> he has to say that. he has to say that. but i'm just telling you, there will be a payment. it will be in a form, perhaps a complicated form, and you have to understand, what i'm doing is good for the united states. it's also going to be good for

mexico. we want to have a very stable, very solid mexico. >> it seems pretty clear, senator, correct me if i'm wrong, that the president doesn't know how he's going to get mexico to pay for this wall. the idea of monitoring remittances that come from the united states and go into mexico would be a real legal and ethical thicket. so what's your take? >> well, again, i haven't heard a plan from the president on exactly how this is going to work, and i certainly don't speak for the president. but i do know this, chris. if you look at anybody's basic plan for immigration, democrat, republican, nonpartisan, bypa bipartisan plans, it does contain a konl poecomponent abor security. as far as how it's going to be paid, as he alluded to in the interview, somehow congress will come up with the dollars right now. beyond that, i don't know how it works and that's something the white house has to answer for. >> so there are two points of

fact. the first one is, yes, you want to secure the border, but that assumes that should be the focus of your analysis because that is the tip of the spear of your problem. the data suggests otherwise. as you know, senator gardner is one of the well schooled senators of the facts of what's going on with the immigration. you now have a negative flow of illegal immigrants, as it's called from the president, undocumented people. there are more leaving than coming. so you want to spend somewhere between 8 and 38, are the estimates, billions of dollars, not including maintenance, to build a wall that would not address the main part of the problem? does that make sense to you? >> no, and again, i think this is an issue of trust with the american people. going back to the plans that the bipartisan, the comprehensive plan that was put forward several years ago in the senate, they talked about border security. they spent money on additional measures to put in place border security. and so what i think we have to do in this country is recognize that, yes, that's a component of it, and we have to build trust

with the american people that we are enforcing the laws, the existing laws, and that we're fixing laws that are broken. that's, i think, where we need to go in this country. let's talk about border security. it's already the law of the land in this country that we have a fence on the border. but we need to look at the east coast, west coast, our ports, north, south, to make sure we're secure. that's one component. that's a starting point. data is good but we also have the trust of the american people that we need to earn and restore when it comes to immigration. so then recognizing immigrants are a valuable part of this country, that they are -- we are a nation of immigrants. my family is an immigrant family from over a century ago. look, this is something we can do. we can get this right. i believe we can bring democrats and republicans together on a solution that fixes our broken entry/exit system, our visa system. the fact we have a number of undocumented people in this country today, many of them came through legal channels. but the problem is our system wasn't built to address what happens when they do things like overstay visas. i believe we can have border security.

yes, we should start with that. that's everybody's plan. but then let's make sure we do this together to come up with something that we can, as a nation, be proud of. a nation of laws but a nation of immigrants. >> so taking that as the position, would you be willing to give tens of billions of dollars to building more fence or more wall around the country right now? would you want to put that much money into that part of the problem? >> look, i haven't seen cost estimates. i don't know what exactly he's talking about, whether it's a double layer, whether it's electronic, whether it's personnel. i think that is all going to be part of a discussion. but chris, it's the law of the land today that we have border security. it's the law of the land today that we have -- >> i know the law that's there, but there's not the money allocated. that comes down to congress. the president can write his executive orders and say he wants to do it. you're going to have to figure out how to pay for it, and i'm asking, will this be your priority? he wants it to be first. is it your first priority?

>> i don't disagree with you that this is going to be something that congress is going to be tasked with coming up. i certainly think as we look to projects like building our nation's infrastructure, whether that's highway programs, this becomes a difficult challenge. but the american people expect the government, our congress, our constitution to be carried out in a way that protects this country. this is something that i'm glad we're having this debate. certainly i think this is something both sides can agree to, and i hope that as we enter this new administration that we do get back to that november 9th in the morning, that early morning or the hours after the election was declared a victory for donald trump, that we can talk about bringing this country together, to uniting this country, to making sure that the forgotten men and women of this country who felt like they've been forgotten have greater opportunities. that's what we can do and that's what i hope will bring both republicans, democrats, anyone across this country together. >> when you go to the philly retreat -- are you going to head over there? >> i'm here in philadelphia today, yes. >> you're there for the retreat,

party unity, figure out what to do in the first couple hundred days here. the president has made one of his signature moves early on to investigate what he sees as widespread voter fraud that cost him the popular vote because of three to five million illegals, as he calls them, who voted against him. do you support an investigation to show that three to five million illegals voted against donald trump? >> i haven't seen evidence of that. i have had conversations with our secretary of state, both our current secretary of state in colorado and our previous secretary of state in colorado who did make allegations of voter fraud. there were, i guess, a handful of people in colorado who were found, or at least investigated. i think it's important that we have integrity in our election. look, access to our ballots, the electoral process is one of the most sacred things we have in this country. we went through a very divisive campaign. we had a lot of questions about the impact russia hacks had or did not have throughout this

process. but the bottom line is we need an electoral process that stands up to the integrity test for the american people. i'll give you an example. in colorado, a republican was trying to gain access to the belt, he was trying to gain access to run for senator, and there is a petition circulator who forged signatures. so in access to the ballot, there was fraud. that person was prosecuted. i think that process is taking place right now. and we should make sure that happens. so this is an important issue to discuss. if there is evidence of this, then let the american people see it. i think that's very important. >> do you think that voter fraud was the difference in the popular vote? >> again, i haven't seen evidence of that, but i think if there's evidence of that, let's let the american people see, and that's important. like i said, in colorado, speaking to the secretary of state, there have been a handful but no more than that, and they should be rooted out. but it's just been a handful. >> senator gardner, thank you very much. appreciate you being on "new day

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president trump still talking about crowd sizes and how his speeches are being well

received. in an interview with abc, the president called coverage of his political speech at the cia headquarters unfair. >> you would give the same speech if you went back in front of that wall? >> absolutely. people loved it. they loved it. they gave me a standing ovation for a long period of time. they never sat down, most of them, during the speech. there was love in the room. you and other networks covered it very inaccurately. i hate to say this to you, and you probably won't put it on, but turn on fox and see how it was covered and see how people respond to that speech. that speech was a good speech. and you and a couple other networks tried to downplay that speech, and it was very, very unfortunate that you did. >> all right. let's bring in michael smerconish, host of "smerconish." good morning. >> good morning. >> in that speech he was standing in front of the wall of fallen cia officers, he was

talking about the crowd at his inauguration. what did you think about how he just explained it last night? >> i thought the speech saturday at the cia was really unsettling. i'm not thinking so much of the president's comments because, for better or worse, i've come to expect those sort of things from him. but alisyn, what's deeply troubled me, has been the audience reaction. the idea that bashing the media would get such an applause line, i think, is problematic. this was not a fundraiser, this was not a tea party event, this is not the national convention. i want to know who were the people in that room who would feel comfortable applauding such partisan remarks? there is differing commentary and reportage as to how much of that audience was comprised of c, cia folks. it was a saturday. and how many were there as part of the trump entourage? that's what always stood out to me. the comments he made yesterday, though, equating the size of the

standing ovation with one that was afforded to peyton manning a super bowl victory? that was just odd to me. >> it also shows you where the president's head is in terms of how he wants to be perceived. i know what you're referring to in the question about clackers -- clappers, people who were brought there to applaud. michael, do you think that we're wasting energy checking the president on these types of the style points? do you think the focus should just be on the facts? and if you look at the abc interview, the inability to push back on the president about where he is patently wrong, isn't that where our energy should be focused? what are the facts not in terms of how people feel about him? >> i really would much rather talk about those substantive issues, but as long as he perpetuates this, as long as he was given the bait by david muir

and he took it, then he keeps this in play. and chris, he shows no sign whatsoever of wanting to end the conversation. you would think we wouldn't be still litigating the size of the popular vote in the november 8 election. but to the extent he keeps talking about it, of course, we then respond. >> how he was received at the cia, the baiting, irrelevant to the american people. whether or not three to five million illegals, as he calls it, voted against him in the popular vote and now there's going to be money spent investigating that does matter to the american people. that goes to facts, and you should get after it. >> i'd like to think that it matters to the american people. i'd like to think that we would be equally or even more concerned about what we seem to absolutely know, which is that there was a russian attempt to -- i'll say it this way -- influence the outcome of our election. if you want to talk about committing resources to getting to the bottom of that, i'm all for it. and by the way, a lot of this,

because i've been around this track, you've been around this track, a lot of this has to do with people who are conflating names who appear on the voter rolls because they've passed, because they've moved and the system hasn't caught up with them yet. and the idea that someone committed fraud by voting as another individual, and the latter is that which there is no evidence of. >> right. so in other words, he's not drawing any distinction between voter fraud and voter registration problems. so there are voting registration problems, and, in fact, two of his close advisers, steve bannon and the possible treasury secretary, nominee steve mnuchin, are registered to vote in two states. >> which is not illegal. >> it's not illegal, but if he's cracking down on it, he could start there. >> i had a relative pass in the midst of this conversation, an aunt. and it occurred to me that president trump could today say that this woman, mrs. x, my god, she's still registered to vote.

well, she is still registered to vote because she just died, and when she doesn't show up for two successive years of elections, she will then be expunged. and that's the way the system works. >> also, i mean, obviously, that's the silly part of his concern, which is that dead people voted. >> that's what he keeps saying. >> that's impossible. it's something to deal with in terms of registration housekeeping. but again, to the facts, he sits in the interview and says, why did the guy write the study? obviously he didn't read the study or whoever talked to him about it didn't read the pugh study because the man lays out very clearly that he was trying to delineate these problems in the process and has a conclusion that he couldn't see any proof of them accounting for fraud. but he ignores that, dismisses the study, isn't tested on it, and i think that's an area where you need to go after him, more than how he's received at the cia. >> at a certain point it becomes circular. yesterday i said on radio that there is absolutely no proof of

the three to five million having voted the way the president says. i had a telephone caller who immediately called me and said, well, prove that it didn't happen. how can i prove that it didn't happen? and so around it goes. here's the point i want to make. he is satisfying a base, the 46% who voted for him, when he makes these arguments. let's not think that there aren't people who aren't receptive to this, because there are. >> michael smerconish, always great to talk to you. thank you very much for all of that. we have a quick programming note. you can join michael smerconish tomorrow night for a prime time special, 9:00 p.m. eastern, right here on cnn. so tv icon, comedienne extraordina extraordinaire mary tyler moore is gone. we share stories about this incredible icon.

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all right, we just lost a great one, a true television icon, mary tyler moore, boulevard beloved actress. we all know her as a great comedian, someone who evoked such feelings on television. she was 80 years old. she had a career that spanned 50 years. to discuss her legacy is one of the writers for "the mary tyler moore" show is susan silver. thank you for joining us. we're sorry for your loss. >> for everybody's loss. >> that's the right way to say it because she really became part of the american tapestry of who we were and what we valued. did you know that, when you were writing on the show, that it was more than just good tv? >> no. at the time feminism had just sort of begun, and the fact that

women couldn't get jobs as writers was a problem. so when they wanted women writers, that was a great thing, and we were just so happy to be there. but they never asked us to be political and to do issues. they wanted to know what women's lives were like for real and the way we talked, and it hadn't been shown before, so it was just part of the process. >> that's interesting, so it wasn't the mission statement? i mean, you weren't tasked with coming up with sort of lightning rod issues for that show, but you ended up fastening on them. you did deal with sexuality and gender equality. how comfortable was that when you started presenting those scripts? >> norman lear had his group and his family. they were a little more political. garry marshall had the fun stuff over there. he was my late, great manager. we were sort of reality women's lives without knowing that it was going to be so groundbreaking and that it would last today. i have so many women coming up to me today who still feel she

was so influential. but it wasn't really a mission statement, it was just, how do women talk and what do we do in our lives that are different, maybe, than men? >> that's probably why it worked, right? if it came across as an agenda, putting it people who weren't ready, how aware was mary tyler moore of what you wanted to do on the show versus how much of it was just acting? >> i believe she had a lot of influence. she hired all the women around her. the costumes became as scandalous as costumes are today in dressing america, the casting was done by a woman. i think she was always so open and welcoming to it. >> i read that there was a guy, a writer in chicago, who said -- or maybe you came up with this -- let's get her some sex. >> oh, my gosh, they're going to come after me for that. no, what he said was mary was undersexed. so i said, well, let's get her

some, then. so -- >> how did you do that? >> well, i also was sort of naive. i thought that we weren't allowed to make anything up, that you had to write from your own life. so every story i wrote was from my own life. i kind of did a story where she was being interviewed by this reporter and she wound up spending the night with him. so i thought that would sort of say it without really saying it. but she does ask rhoda, am i undersexed? >> that's great. >> there are so many little cultural cues also that showed an impairment for her. even driving the mustang. the mustang she had was a muscle car at the time. as a person, what was it like to work for her? what made her different? >> well, you know, prior to her, there were certain kind of female comedians, if you will. lucille ball with a lot of schtick and physical. rosemarie, wisecracking. mary was the first woman to emerge as the real woman with her working.

in fact, i did a show with her and a partner and we had her engaged. she said, no, i don't think ann marie should get married. then came mary at the right time where women were starting to evolve and ask for different things, and because she was so likeable and so kind of not pushy could get away with stuff and it was interesting to see her character evolve and grow as we were growing. >> was there a feeling that she shouldn't be married, that she should be a single woman? >> originally they wanted her to be divorced but the network didn't want it, so they had a whole fight about that before i was there. the year or two after, i pitched a show with bud yorkman at the time about a divorced woman. and the executive said, divorce is not pallatable to the american public. okay. then when it came on, it did sle well. >> mary tyler moore. how should people remember her? >> mary was so kind and so sweet, and i like to think of her as mary richards because she

was always smiling and real. she was a very private person in real life and a little reserved, but she was everything that you wanted her to be. >> oh, my gosh. susan silver, thanks for sharing your personal memories. it really helps us see the full picture of her. thank you for being here. >> thanks. back to politics. now president trump says a wall will be going up on the mexican border soon. but what do people who live there think? we take you live to the border, next. boy: this is the story of a boy who was very sensitive to lights and sounds.

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ago and now above 20k. that's a 10% gain since election day, a stunning 1,800 points. these are record highs for the dow, the nasdaq and the s&p 500. the bull market nearing its eighth birth day. the last leg, a bet that companies are going to make a lot more money if he rolls back regulations, slashes corporate taxes and spends money on infrastructure. stock prices represent company profits. this is a bet that the president's plans will enrich american companies. the president said in his interview last night said he was very honored by the big gains in stocks since his victory and the trick is to keep them going higher. >> christine, thank you very much. signing an executive order to build a wall is easy. getting congress to pay for it, let alone mexico -- and he will have to do both of those things -- and getting people along the border to accept a wall will be hard. for the people who live the border reality, do they think

the wall is an answer? cnn's ed lavandera is live in arizona with more. ed? >> reporter: good morning, chris. we're in the middle of our week-long journey across the southern border traveling from south texas to san diego, california. we're live this morning in no gal loss, arizona. these issues being paid very close attention to this morning. >> reporter: on the border's edge, several dozen migrants gather for breakfast inside a shelter known as the keen know border initiative. it's where jesus garcia is trying to figure out how to get into the united states over a map he recounts how far he's traveled since he left home the day before donald trump was elected president.

he started here in honduras, made his way across guatemala, here to this little town and this is where he crossed into mexico. he says he hasn't been able to cross. he left home november 7th of last year and he's tried three times already to get across, but he hasn't been able to. >> reporter: garcia says it's the first time he's ever tried crossing the border illegally and says it's harder than he imagined. he says, if i made it this far, i'll keep trying. on the other side a legion of border patrol agents, cameras, barricades, ground sensors are waiting, even private citizens working on their own to stop migrants like jesus garcia from getting across. in tim foley's world the border lands are a threatening dangerous place. >> this is the red bill, this is what the world really looks like. >> reporter: he leads a volunteer group called arizona border recon that patrols the

border around arizona in a town of less than 100 people. >> i've been called everything in the book. i've been called a domestic extremist. >> reporter: the southern poverty law center says foley's group is made up of native extremists. he sees the flow of drugs, undocumented migrants and the wide open spaces of the border as the country's biggest threat. along the 2,000-mile southern border there is already 700 miles of fencing and barricades already in place. here in sass by, arizona, this steel see-through fence stretches for several miles. as you approach the end of town, it abruptly comes to an end as it stretches out into rugged, remote terrain in the arizona desert. >> i put the cameras about five minutes from the road. >> reporter: he relies on a collection of cameras he hides in the brush to catches the movements of drug smugglers. he often shares the videos and

information with border patrol agents. >> you need boots on the ground. that's what's keeping you out there, whoo, good thing we have this up here. >> reporter: foley voted for donald trump and wants to see all undocumented immigrants deported and additional border patrol agents move closer to the mexican border. he's not convinced trump or anyone else can change the reality he sees. >> when you're reactive to a problem, you're always going to be behind the solution. >> reporter: for many like 18-year-old mayor cella ramirez, they try to come illegal li from mexico. she was caught by border patrol with a group of migrants and quickly deported. she wanted to find work in the u.s. to help support her elderly parents. she trem nls as she recalls the experience of trying to cross the border. >> i asked if she's trying to cross again. her brother is still being detained in united states. she's waiting for him to get out

and not really sure what they're going to do next. she's waiting for him to be sent back here and they'll figure out what they'll do next. >> reporter: it's the cycle that never ends on the border. chris, traveling across the border here you see that divide between humanitarian groups trying to help the migrants at least make it through safely and protect them, as well as groups like the border patrol council, the group that controls border patrol agents saying they very much support the crackdown on immigration controls and really focusing on border security first. so there's a great divide between both sides of this debate between here and the border. >> you're showing us the reality and doing it in great fashion. ed, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> reporter: thanks, chris. a lot of news for you. let's get right to it. >> the united states of america gets back its borders.

>> mexico will never pay for that [ bleep ] wall. >> we're going to get the bad one's out. is tuesday's meeting with mexico's president in jeopardy? >> you have people registered who are illegals. >> let's not make it harder for people to vote. >> i felt sorry for him. i even prayed for him. then i prayed for the united states of america. >> i'm alarmed by anybody who wants to go back to torture. >> as far as i'm concerned, we have to fight fire with fire. >> she certainly was the epitome of star quality. >> remembering the iconic mary tyler moore. ♪ you're going to make it after all ♪ >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> we lost a great one in mary tyler moore and we'll be talking about what made her such a pioneer. >> all of us watched that as chirp and wanted to be mary tyler moore. she meant a lot to lots of women and beyond. >> true. good morning to all of you.

welcome to "new day." it's thursday, january 26. 8:00 in the east. up first, president trump's plan to build a wall is rattling relations between both countries and with congress who is going to have to find billions to build it. in his first major interview as president, mr. trump says he will begin construction on the wall in months and insists without any details that mexico is going to pay for it. >> mexico's president slamming mr. trump's plan saying they will not pay pour the wall. the two have a planned meeting next week at the white house. president trump also vowing to investigate what he calls voter fraud and says waterboarding absolutely works, end quote. so much to discuss on day seven. let's begin with sara murray live at the white house. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. tensions are already beginning to rise between the u.s. and mexico has donald trump moves forward with his border wall. that's not the only place he's br