good evening. another big night because of what the trump administration did today and because of what they were expected to do and did not. they did not take action on the election fraud claims. president trump did clash with mexico's president over the border wall and who will pay for it. his spokesman floated a plan to fund it with a 20% tax on imports from moex coe. they called the media the opposition party and said that we should keep our mouths shut. that and the white house asking for top officials at the state department to leave. another big day. we start with mexico and cnn's jeff. >> days after taking office, president trump is facing his first diplomatic standoff. >> the president of mexico and

myself have agreed to cancel our planned meeting scheduled for next week. >> that's now how mexico sees it. the mexican president said he was cancelling the meeting, alerting the white house in a morning message on twitter. trump learned about it on the way to philadelphia, his first trip on air force one. presenting the agenda to republicans who are skeptical on how to pay for a border wall. >> unless mexico is going to treat the united states fairly, with respect, such a meeting would be fruitless and i want to go a different route. we have no choice. >> the firestorm between the two leaders has been escalating. >> we did discuss the wall. we did not discuss payment of the wall. >> that date has now arrived. it is at the heart of a collision between campaign promises. >> you better believe it. they are going to pay. >> and governing realities.

>> i said many time that is the american people will not pay for the wall. i made that clear to the government of mexico. >> mexico said they will not meet the demands to pay for the wall. >> moex coe does not believe in walls. i said time and again, mexico will not pay for any wall. >> details are emerging on how they might try to get the money from moex coe. white house press secretary sean spicer said one idea being consider side imposing a 20% tax on mexico as part of a deal from congress. >> we can do $10 million a year from that alone. >> republican leaders objecting to the proposal, saying consumers would wind up footing the bill. the south carolina senator saying that simply put, any policy proposal that drives up cost of corona, tequila or margaritas is a bad idea.

mucho sad. >> republican leaders say they will handle the out right cost, but then what? >> that is the big question here. it is one that mitch mcconnell, the senate majority leader said could be from 12 to $15 billion. that's how much this wall will cost. they told president trump they will front this money. they know it is sprl to the plan. he campaigned and wants to do it and there is a split in the republican party about this. some house republicans are in favor of this tax. i was on air force one. shawn spicer was talking about this as a leading idea. it was not more than an hour later they were walking that back. it is so controversial in the republican party. anderson, this is something that house republicans, senate republicans need to reconcile now they will pay for it. mexico will not.

and now it's a diplomatic standoff between the house and mexico and we don't know how it will end diplomatically or financially. >> one late development, we were going to have mexico's foreign minster on, but he canceled at the last minute. he said he has been summoned back home for an urgent meeting to decide what to do about president trump. let's bring in the panel. the daily beast columnist. trump supporter and american spectator and contributor. jeffrey lord and the chief international correspondent, the anchor of am an pour. >> look, it sends a massive signal because this is the first example of president trump negotiating as a business man in public and this is the result.

there is now a standoff between two leaders of friendly countries. this is a very important neighbor. as jeff said and as you said, the foreign minster has been called back and will be on the program. they are telling me that the mexicans simply did not see this coming. they were blindsided of the announcement of the wall and the announcement that mexico was going to pay for it. they see this as an attack on mexico and mexicans and they are gathering their diplomatic forces to figure out how to respond. they too have voter who is don't want to be humiliated and have their back pushed against a wall that happened to the mexican president. he was forced to cancel after deciding he was not going to pay for the wall. pa. >> it's interesting and clearly if you listen to donald trump during the campaign, this is time and time. >> the timing. it happened as the mexican foreign minster was there preparing for the mexican

president. >> was it a mistake for spicer to push this 20% tax idea on mexican imports and have to walk it back? >> this is floating ideas. this is going to be an ongoing situation. >> usually floating ideas are quietly leaked and running up the flag pole. >> this is the trump era. things will be different. i have to say it doesn't matter whether the subject is mexico or the state department or the press. this is a revolution of sorts. these are the folks and he is the president of the united states and he won. all of these institutions no matter what they are are going to be upset. >> he seems to be working for fox news. >> they stated what you all hoped the be the chaos candidate and something good could come out of this. we have seen these something very bad happened. two presidents of two countries that vitally need each other are

here. we are not sure whose backs are up against which wall. jeffrey, they nearly started the first step of a trade war. that's why they pulled that 20% back. that is not going to help the united states of america. >> you don't see this as a bad thing. i'm guessing and for a lot of folks, they see this as a first move in a negotiation. >> that is correct. this is the heart of the deal. all we are doing is seeing this in public. >> i don't think this is a negotiation with mexico. i think it's with the world. this is donald trump signalling like the call tothe taiwan president to send a message to china. this is signalling that we are past the presidency of barack obama which was cautious and prudent. very predictable. this is like let me pull a line from jeffrey lord and talk about when reagan went after the air traffic controller's union and

sent a message to the soviets. >> the problem is mexico is not an enemy. they are one of the closest partners and allies and we are intertwined in a way that we are with no other country. they are the second largest trading partner and canada is the first. a lot of the goods coming from mexico said 40% of them have american parts in them. that's how intertwined we are. >> this first few days that we are talking about now has according to many of the observers, the editor of foreign affairs and used to be a cabinet secretary and official under clinton said this is the most change so far, so rapidly and quickly in the first week than at any time since the end of the second world war. that's a major statement and the most profound is america pulling back the global leadership. it is still the head of the global super power, but president trump in his

inauguration has you agree discarded the cloak of american leadership around the world. so you talk about disruptive and discarded. it's america first. we will have bilateral deals, but we are not going out to lead the world. >> he is harming the mexican economy if he went through this. this is a violation of nafta. he would have to withdraw from nafta and wants to renegotiate it. it would harm the mexican economy and the bad economy means what? more mexicans coming into this country illegally what he said he doesn't want. on every level it doesn't make sense. >> the reagan anecdote for the night, early on in his first term he met with him about the issues. he said to him this is how it's always been done and reagan replied isn't that why he are

here. >> he had the experience governing and you have seen with the situation and the swath of the bureaucracy. the biggest departure ever. >> in 1993. >> you have seen the lack of cabinet secretaries and all of rest. it's a question being asked overseas. after this mexican debacle which is how it has been seeing. who is governing? >> we heard from the republicans who are voicing the concerns that was floated. this is republicans versus democrats. this is donald trump that is defying conventions. that's what they voted for. >> he would get senators who are all republicans saying not on my watch. you are not cutting this or that. he was at battle with arlin spector and others who were

crazy about this. s this was an ongoing battle. >> republicans have been pro free trade and would oppose the idea. >> in a modern era. >> security, drugs. immigration across the border and all that kind of stuff. they have been helping the united states. >> that's sort of a -- president obama governed the way that you are suggesting. in the way that really was not very effective or very successful. that's the reason that donald trump was elected. a lot of americans are tired of the hand wringing. if we make the mexicans mad, they will do this or that. we are tired of that. >> what is so interesting is i don't know why anybody would be surprised by this. maybe it's the timing of it and this is what he campaigned on.

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political appointees to stay on for a few months and leave a gaping hole in management with the combined 150 years of experience between the officials. who are these four senior officials that were asked to leave and what did they do? >> one of the names you might recognize under the secretary patrick kennedy, a long time serving top official who has been embroiled in the benghazi controversy. he was in charge of management then and also in charge of helping handle secretary clinton's e-mail when she was at the state department. the critic from republicans about him. there was also the assistant secretary for administration joyce ann barr. the secretary for consul affairs. another long serving official and gentry smith who handled the office of foreign missions. embassies here and cons

consulates. 150 combined years of institutional knowledge among them. it does leave a gaping hole in the management department of the state department. as secretary of state rex tillerson has not been confirmed yet and expected to be next week. they do have deputies there. it really does leave a lot of institutional knowledge out of door as this new secretary comes in. >> they said they have people who can fill the slots. how unusual is it to go after staffers like this and without having a replacement lined up? >> it's unusual. generally the career appointees, some of them have served since the nixon administration. clearly they served in republican and democratic administrations. they say listen, stay on for a few months until they are confirmed. case in point, patrick kennedy when the push administration came in, he was assistant

secretary for administration and they asked him to stay on until his successor was confirmed and that was six months. it's not just the management department, but other officials that were told their service were no longer needed. for instance, the secretary and act under the secretary for arms control tom countryman was on the way to a conference in rome when he was told to turn around, your services are no longer apart. it's clear that the trump administration wants to start fresh. the problem is all this decades and decades of institutional knowledge walking out the door. they will be hard pressed to find those officials that know the inner workings of the state department the way these people do. >> thanks very much. it does get to a point raised about mexico. essentially the pace of change. again, this is what folks voted

for donald trump for. >> there is a huge pace of change for a better word. some of the people i understand we are going to retire anyway. they were older. some of them have to because of incoming and outgoing administrations. some of them left because they didn't want to be part of this administration. there was a mixture of reasons, but the bigger picture is when are all the people going to get into govern. i'm not the one asking you this question. foreign leaders and thing, i heard from different european capitals. they have come over here and haven't had a sense of who their partners are. today i was interviewing who is the chief palestinian negotiator and the israeli ambassador to the un. is the embassy going to move? they said the palestinians had not had their letters responded to or anything in terms of questions.

that might be political, but it might be administrative. >> one of the stories that was hinted at, how long it takes to get the people confirmed. it could be six or more months before they are confirmed and in place. i totally understand donald trump. there is an argument to be made about cleaning house and getting people who frankly haven't been that effective or just don't share your philosophy, getting them out and bringing in your team. it takes so long to get your people in place. that's something we need to focus on. >> i remember working in the bush 41 administration for jack kemp. we got the letter who said be out by january 20th at noon. we held a party the day before and we took the half day out and

that was it. those were the political people. one of the problems here in this town that has been there increasingly are the career folks. a lot of them belong to unions and they donate money, etc. the money goes heavily to democrats. i don't care. god bless their first amendment rights. the culture in these bureaucracies is left leaning. when you get a republican president like donald trump not to mention somebody who has been such an outsider, they are going to want to flush the system out and they should. one so they have career people in there who are representing their point of view and two, so that things get done here and get flesh flood in there. >> you are saying get rid of career people who they think don't have the political views? i don't think that's even legal. career people have protected positions. they have been there for their entire lives.

>> that's the problem. >> this is breaking news if you are saying the trump administration will purge career people. these are appointees. >> career people, were they not? >> i understand they were. >> if they are leaving on their own accord, that's not the same thing. >> they submit their resignation. >> they submit their resignation. they are not obliged. >> these are all career people? >> these are all career people who have been in the administration for decades. the process is when you are in a confirmation position when the president appoints you to, you are required by law to submit your resignation. when you remember a few weeks back, all of the political ambassadors submitted their resignations and all told yes, thank you, be out by january 20th. they usually asked to stay on for a couple of weeks and they were all told no, we like you

out by january 20th. on a political realm, that's certainly expected. with the career officials, even though they are required to submit their resignation, they are serving both and most of them have served several democratic and several republican administrations. the question is, do they want to just purge and start fresh? they are not going to be able to fill every position with new people. as was said, these are protected positions and they have institutional knowledge. it is rare they have been asked to leave in this way. i have to respectfully disagree with jeffrey. i understand what you are saying about how a lot of these officials perhaps lean left. these are loyal to the department they serve. really they go with the flow with any administration. >> there lies the difference. i think they don't go.

this controversy that we were talking about with the websites or the whatever were the national park service and all this sort of thing. that epitomizes what the problem is. it doesn't matter. it could be the fbi or the epa or the justice department or what have you. you have these folks in this culture for lack of a better term, a culture of liberalism in the department. >> everyone said they want change and the politicians come to washington and become part of the system and like all the other politicians. one way to make sure that happens is to have bureaucrats who slow down the works. donald trump is a revolutionary candidate and wants to do big things. maybe good things or bad things. the way to prevent that from happening is to have people and personnel is policy. if you have people in key positions who are not impleme

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more breaking news. it has been more than a running theme with president trump that the election might be tainted by voter fraud. he claimed about it behind closed doors and railed about it as president. he promised a federal investigation. all of it based on the false premises we and many others have reported on. the state election officials agree there is nothing there. we expected the president to sign documents that spell out what he wants to do about it. he did not. details from pamela who joins us. do we know when he is planning to signing that executive order? >> he was expected to sign it around 4:30 this afternoon, calling for the federal

investigation into voter fraud. we got word that it was not going to happen because he was running late after speaking in philadelphia at a congressional retreat. he is expected to sign that order either tomorrow or saturday, but the question remains, how will it work? it's unclear for officials i have spoken with within the department of justice. voter fraud investigations have triggered when the fbi and the justice department discover credible evidence to suggest fraud not because of an order from the president and basically these officials at doj are in a holding pattern waiting to find out more in the language of the order and how to proceed from here. >> has the attorney general jeff sessions responded to this directive? >> he may be forced to respond. it's unclear what he thinks about this and how he will handle it, but he has been asked about the investigation by senators on the committee. and it's likely and expected he

will respond to this before the committee votes on the nomination next tuesday. it will be interesting to see how he answers the senators given the fact that this request as i said is unprecedented. >> much more to talk about with the panel. don't you want them leaving the goal post. it was 3 million to 5 million undocumented immigrants and illegal immigrants. now he is including old voter roles with people registered in multiple states. that includes steve bannon and sean spicer and tiffany trump and jared kushner as well and people who are dead. >> they need to pay. >> that's not voter fraud. that's just roles that are incomplete. according now to the experts i talked to the last two nights, things are better than they have been in terms of all these states are doing a better job to clean up the voter roles.

is the president trying to move on this? >> i don't know what he is doing. it's insanity. yes, we need to purge people off of roles who are no longer living. somebody could maybe try to assume their identity. and cast a vote. i do believe that voter fraud happened. i'm from maryland. she may have won that raceway back when. geno ross i probably won. they had that stolen from him. the notion that donald trump lost the popular vote because millions of illegals voted for hillary clinton is insanity. i am interested to see what happens when they launch this investigation. i have no idea what is going to turn up. it seems like a crazy thing to do. >> for the federal government to get involved in this, it's up to the state and there is republicans and heads of election commissions and

democratic ones. >> i learned something interested from someone named bruce marx. he ran for the pennsylvania state senate in 1993, lost to a democrat. there was suspicion of voting irregularities. he discovered that there was a judge for the federal circuit court of appeals. the next year, bruce marx had a fund-raiser and who came? donald trump. he was interested in the chapter and verse of voting fraud in philadelphia. my point is i think this idea has been going around in his head for a long time. he is now like president, whether or not there are two to three million people, he clearly believes there is fraud in the system. >> believing it doesn't make it

true. he held the birther belief for a long time. that wasn't true. >> find out. that's all. >> no problem with having an investigation. >> the senate races and congressional races. find out what's going on here. >> does that make sense? >> no. it's just not -- it's just not a nationwide problem. this is something that happened occasionally. we need to have a good process where we have clear voter rules and all of that is true. what he is describing is not voter fraud. people being registered in two states is not voter fraud unless they vote in two states. there is a second part to it that is missing. for him to be using government resources to investigate something that doesn't exist and under mine democracy by telling people that the voting system doesn't work is dangerous. >> there is a lot of

irregularity. it's not healthy for america's ability to lead. >> i want to ask you on this subject. he gave to the "new york times." he said the media should be embarrassed and humiliated and keep its mouth shut and listen for a while. >> i would say no chance. look, seriously. steve bannon is playing the role he set out for himself. some kind of strategy that is hard for me to comprehend. i operate in the truth and fact-based universe. he is creating a strategy creating an enemy out of the press. then dividing, diverting, ob visicating while other things are going on. obviously there are many other -- i want to say totalitarian regimes in the past that use this same strategy.

if i was going to be funny, he is angling for an order of merit from president cc putin and all the others. that is how they treat the press and how they believe the press should be. a compliant unit in the service of the president. it is not the tradition the american press. of course we are not going to shut up. why should we? what have we done wrong and why should we be humiliated? about what? we reported the story and woo we got it right. >> the polls were right that hillary clinton would win the presidency? >> that's a prediction. the polls were right which is why -- the national polls. he won the election. isn't this why the hysteria has started? there is an anger about this idea of the popular vote. suddenly we have to be the enemy. we can't allow others to frame our reference. we are not the opposition and we are not the mainstream.

we are the press. >> is the media the opposition party in. >> it is. i am a big first amendment freak. you should be able to do anything you choose to say and do. >> beginning with spiro agnew when he gave his speech and set in the studios and ran the news through today, huh this increasing bonfire being built about the national media and it has a liberal toilet it. we have gotten to the point where so many millions of americans believe that to be gospel. what steve bannon is saying at this point that yeah, this is it. this is a real problem. i saw that ari fleischer said the other day that there is a massive crisis here. i think there is. i think every individual institution is going to wind up fighting for the credibility and this white house is not going to help them. >> he witnessed a massive

crisis. there was this rush to war by the bush administration and the press was accused of being either with the terrorists or unpatriotic if we even reported the objective facts. this is unfortunately an unpleasant tradition that we have to understand why it's happening. we have to be calm, be unite and do our job. we are not going to allow others, particularly the seats of power to be our frame of reference. >> bannon also said that the media is the opposition party. back in 2009, he said about fox news, we are going to treat them the way we would treat an opponent. she said to chuck todd today, we had an issue with one news net twhoork is creating news. is there a difference between what was said back then? >> there was similarity. trump has gone after the entire media except for fox news.

it wasn't just anita dunn, it was an orchestrated strategy for a lot of senior white house aides that went out and told other reporters you shouldn't treat fox news as a legitimate organization. i was critical of it the same way i'm critical of what the trump administration is doing. it plays an important role in our democracy and something a president should recognize and it's not for them to put their thumb on the scale. you were critical of it and i don't see you giving the same criticism to trump. you should see in both situations. they are problematic. >> it is using the fox example. >> trump is doing similar things. >> we know exactly what it is.

the attempt to delegitimize it. >> it's really important. donald trump and i honestly are trying to do an honest job. it is disconcerting to everybody be told we are the most dishonest people we have ever met. >> the question is how is trump handling his job of approval. 44% disapproval. 19% don't know. >> i think that that seems about right. that seems where the country would be and i think donald trump will say that the polls are wrong and we get everything wrong, but he didn't think he was going to win the election. he said it to a crowd a couple days after the election. he is turning to somebody who will be having a bad night. they were not expecting to win and we are dishonest because we were following the polls and we

did show hillary clinton was going to. >> there is a reason he picked us to go after you. >> the media is less popular than donald trump. why are the media less popular? some of it i think it earned and some is a product of getting things wrong. and of liberal media bias which i believe is real. i think the most subtle -- the most troubling liberal media bias. >> obama is the new fdr. >> that's not subtle. >> you are talking about domestic reporting and putting it within pair times. the truth is reporters today around the world, not just in the united states are being increasingly politicized and

pulled in and treated by partisan and enemies. this is very difficult. >> basically all in new york or washington, d.c., they don't go to church. they are not like a lot of average americans. when i was growing up, there were three while the middle age men who told the world in 15 minute increments what was happening and that's the way the world is. >> i don't know. i don't give a religious litmus test. >> i don't have a gay litmus test either. >> i don't know how many born again christians and jewish people work in the office. newsrooms are more diverse than ever before. i do think they are. i think there is a greater variety of news than ever before. i think that's a good thing.

i love that there is the daily caller and the daily beast and fox news. it's good. i like the fact that we have more information at our fingertips than ever before. >> you should be able to have a huge variety of views without calling each other and treating each other as enemies. unfortunately the "wall street journal." it's a wrong business model. it doesn't allow real journalism. >> i agree. >> you are more in the heartland. >> absolutely. >> i agree with you. i do agree with you in the sense that i obviously believe that we need to have journalists who hold powerful people accountable and tell the truth about it. i'm not agreeing with bannon. there is a reason why donald trump picked us to pick on. we are less popular than him. >> it's an easy target.

>> i am sort of in the middle on this. there is a disconnect between the media and the people in the united states. that's because we all live in the same place. there is a different way of thinking and i think there is bias and sometimes people don't recognize. >> i totally agree with this. i think about this all day long. >> we are professionals. everybody is a human being. you have to get past that and do your job. i'm saying in today's media environment, reporters are pushed into political corners just like the corners. they go out and do a job of reportering. if you want to say great journalism, they are just being held. just are exhilarating in the demonstration of the most fantastic american journalism

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fighting back against trump. others seem to be falling in line. the president saying he would block federal money for cities that don't cooperate and turning over undocumented immigrants. the mayors of major cities said they are going to stay that way. here's what the president said at the retreat in philadelphia. >> we put in place the first steps in our immigration plan ordering the immediate construction of the border wall, putting an end to catch and release. expediting the removal of criminal -- this is so important to me. from day one i said it. i mean the immediate removal of

criminal aliens. they are going to be gone fast. and finally at long last, cracking down on cities. [ applause ] >> the president is praising one mayor tonight tweeting miami dade mayor dropped sanctuary policy. right decision. strong. today he ordered his county's corrections department to come ply with federal immigration detention process. the mayor among other cities are fighting back. joining me is the los angeles mayor. >> what was your reaction when president trump's checktive order telling states like yours to play ball when it comes to immigration enforce. >> i think a lot of us in america's city know we're the places where american goods come through and jobs are generated. our own tax dollars coming back to us is something i think that

we deserve, and separating families or taking away funds doesn't seem like a way forward to create jobs or save streets an communities. we certainly wanted to speak up and out about the quintessential values that cities represent whether it's making sure we have safe streets or making sure we have family unity or whether we have a strong economy. and i think our constitution has pretty strong precedent in saying that local governments and state governments can't have a gun to their head from the government. no matter who is in charge. we will cooperate in a lawful way. >> president trump says there has to be law and order and you're not cooperating. for those who disagree with the idea of a sanctuary city, why not turnover people who have committed crimes to immigration authorities? >> well, we do all the time. i think there's a misconception that we don't. we hand over dangerous criminals, but not without a warrant or constitutional

process. based on the way somebody looks or where they live or who they are. five police chiefs in los angeles in a row, conservative ones, always knew this is the best way to win the trust of the people that they police over. i don't know a lot about what they intend, but i do know something about goods policing and what keeps our streets safer. and the sanctuary areas have less unemployment. we know how to build trust and how to build an incluess i have city and country that helps us be more economically prosperous and safer on the streets. >> you're set to receive $500,000 from federal government for anti-gang programs and port authority services. how much would be at risk? i know there's big questions about how much teeth this has. >> i guess that's a question for the administration. i would hope none of it is. i believe this administration believes as we do that veterans who have served their countries

like i have shouldn't sleep on the streets. i they that america's port in los angeles, 43% of america's goods come from the ports of l.a. and long beach. we need to protect ourselves from attack and funding goes toward that. this is not just a question of los angeles and other cities individual needs. these are american needs that come through our cities and i would hope that would be what this administration would help us protect and move forward. >> the president says that money, federal moneys for law enforcement personnel or reasons that would continue to flow, but other programs might be hurt. i mean, if it came down to losing $100 million for programs you think are important or following federal law, which would you do? >> well, it's not law today. and we think that that demand is both unconstitutional and un-american. just over a year ago the supreme court agreed with us when the obama administration tried to

force states to expand medicate and some states and governors decided not to. the supreme court said you can't put the gun to the head of governments who decide what is best for their areas. >> i pleeshappreciate your time. thank you. another view by phone is the family dade mayor. thank you for joining us. you ordered your county jail to cooperate with enforcement. >> we've always shared information with the federal government. we didn't consider ourselves a sanctuary city, but the obama administration, there is a resolution passed in miami dade county that said that if immigration wanted us to hold an illegal immigrant we had in our custody because he arrested them for nonimmigration issues because our officers are not immigration officers, but since they have to information, if they wanted us to hold them,

that we would require them to send us a letter saying they would pay for the cost of the incarceration. that was a policy that was implemented a couple of years ago here. that policy was put out by the justice department about five, six months ago saying that that may be in violation, and may put us as a sanctuary city. and that document was actually issued by the obama administration. so all we did today was say we no longer need -- if they decide somebody in your custody, they want us to hold that person, we no longer require that letter saying they will pay for the costs. >> do you require -- because the mayor of los angeles saying they would require a warrant for that person. do you require that? or is it simply just notification that's enough? >> it's a notification. if a federal person says we're interested in one of your prisoners and they want us to

hold that individual, then we will hold that individual. and what we were worried about and have been is that that obvious costs us. there's an expense to that. and we wanted the federal government to reimburse us, and they hadn't been. for us, this is like -- it was at the time about a $600,000 issue. when we just ran the numbers on this, it's 52$,000 a year. in order -- i'm not going to put millions of dollars in federal aid at jeopardy simply because we want the federal government to reimburse us for maintaining these prisoners, especially at that low of a cost. it's not worth it. and, obviously, we want to comply with the request to the federal government. they're our partners, and like i said, we have always provided the information to the federal government, and whenever anybody is arrested, and that means anybody that's arrested. whether it's a normal citizen. we provide fingerprints and

information. some may be illegal immigrants. if the federal government is interested in them, right now we will detain them as long as we have a request for the federal government. >> the l.a. mayor said one of their concerns is that this will stop undocumented folks from coming forward, reporting crimes, or testifying or speaking to police. do you have any of those concerns? >> no, because, really, this is just dealing with illegal immigrants that have been arrested by the miami dade police department. they're under arrest for committing some kind of crime in miami dade. not an immigration crime. just some kind of crime. and so we're not in the business of enforcing immigration law, per se. we have a lot of other things that we have to police in miami dade county. but once one of these illegal immigrants commits a crime in miami dade county and they're arrested, then that information is given to the federal government in compliance with federal law. the only thing that changed here

today by me was that we no longer require a basically a letter, document from the federal government stating they will reimburse us for the cost of the additional time we will incarcerate that illegal immigrant on -- for the federal government. >> i appreciate your time and perspective. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> much more ahead in the second hour including a fast moving day in the feud over who is going to pay for the border wall. the latest on mexico's reaction and another fallouts when we come back. join directv today starting at $35 a month. no extra monthly fees.