michael wolff, we're going to need to have you back on. as situations develop, and they have the bannon signature on them -- >> since i've become the bannon whisperer. >> hey, just for this moment. you have made a career of deconstructing important people, and you're doing it once again. >> our thanks to julia jones as well. michael, thank you for being here. we're following a lot of news this morning. let's get right to it? >> he's made it very clear this is not a muslim ban. >> we're going to have a very, very strict ban. >> 900 diplomats sent him a letter saying you're making us less safe. >> the roll-out was confusing. >> the white house has been untruthful and at times un-american. >> the only chaos we have is because of senate democrats. >> democrats delaying confirmation votes for president donald trump's cabinet. >> they are idiots. >> the qualifications of judge gorsuch are beyond dispute. >> he may be coming with an agenda that's out of the

mainstream. >> i will be a faithful servant of the constitution and laws of this great country. >> this is "new day" with chris qom ma and alisyn camerota. >> good morning everyone. welcome to your "new day." it's wednesday, february 1st, 8:00 in the east. president trump's pick for supreme court bracing for a battle. conservative colorado judge neil gorsuch introduced in prime time last night. republicans praising the nominee. democrats blasting it, calling it a hostile choice. meanwhile, the white house is still in damage control over the president's travel and refugee ban. the administration insisting it's not a ban during yesterday's press conference. this morning, the president is tweeting saying it doesn't matter what you call it, it's supposed to keep bad people out of the country. you have hundreds of state department diplomats voicing their opposition to it saying it will make us less safe. just 13 days into donald trump's presidency, and here we go.

cnn's jeff zeleny live at the white house. >> reporter: there are few bigger decisions a president can make than a lifetime appointment to the supreme court. after president trump introduced neil gorsuch to the nation, the judge is going to be introduced on capitol hill today. i am told he's going to have a meeting with senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and several other senators starting to get moving on this confirmation process which is sure to be a rocky one. >> here they come. here they come. >> reporter: in a prime time reveal, president trump unvealing judge neil gorsuch as his nominee to the supreme court. >> i only hope both democrats and republicans can come together for once for the good of the country. >> as this process now moves to the senate, i look forward with spooking with members from both sides of the aisle. >> reporter: setting up a battle between senate republicans -- >> i think it was an absolute home run. >> reporter: and democrats who are vowing a confirmation fight

after president obama's nominee to fill the seat of the late justice antonin scalia was blocked for ten months. >> if i conclude he's out of the mainstream on issues like privacy rights including women's health care and roe v wade or worker and consumer protection, i will use every tool at my disposal to block his nomination. >> reporter: for the white house it's a chance to turn the spotlight from the growing backlash over the president's executive order on immigration and refugees. the fallout continuing before the 900 state department diplomats signing a memo of dissent against the travel ban. house speaker paul ryan admitting the rollout was unusually rough. >> the rollout was confusing, but on a go-forward basis i'm confident secretary kelly is going to make sure this is done correctly. >> reporter: ryan speaking about homeland security secretary john kelly who is in charge of implementing the action, an action he defended despite chaotic scenes and flip-flopping

on green cardholders. >> we knew it was coming. it wasn't a surprise it was coming, and then we implemented it. >> reporter: mean while the white house is trying to revamp the order. ban is exactly how the president and his press secretary sean spicer described the action. >> we're going to have a very, very strict ban. >> it's a 90-day ban. >> the ban deals with seven countries. >> reporter: pressed on the point, spicer provided no clarity, instead taking aim at a familiar target. >> i'm not confused. i think the words used to describe it derive from what the media is calling us. >> despite legal challenges and protests, the administration is signaling it has no plans to change the order. three high-ranking republican senators saying they will not be rewriting the controversial travel ban. there's no question this executive order will be front and center in the confirmation hearings of the supreme court justice. as the white house tries to change the subject and focus on that, the president himself is

tweeting just a few moments ago back to the idea of this is a ban. take a look at this tweet. he says this, he says everyone is arguing whether or not it is a ban. call it what you want. it is about keeping bad people with bad intentions out of country. clearly this still on the mind of the president. the president we are told is not pleased with the rollout and the communications of all of this, but again, alisyn, so many people would like to change this topic to the supreme court justice. it's clear we'll be operating on both of these at once. but the judge will be on capitol hill with senator mcconnell in just a couple hours. >> okay, jeff, thank you for all of that. senate democrats even boycotting a committee hearing to stall votes for key trump cabinet picks. still mr. trump's choice for secretary of state could be confirmed today. let's bring in cnn's sunlen serfaty live on capitol hill. what are you learning? >> reporter: to get a sense just

how tense the dynamics are up here, you have a very non-controversial nominee, elaine chao, who was confirmed by the senate last night. many democrats registering displeasure, six voting against her, including democratic minority leader chuck schumer. you have this boycott of two of president trump's nominee, steve mnuchin and tom price. democrats saying they feel misled by these nominees for things they said in their committee hearings and want more time to go through and vet them properly. republicans here are crying foul saying democrats full well know they do not have the numbers. they don't have the ability to truly block any of these nominees, so they're just using delay tactics. watch the anger of chairman hatch responding yesterday to the boycott in his committee. >> they ought to be embarrassed. it's the most pathetic treatment

i've seen in my 40 years in the united states senate. >> they are idiots. anybody that would do something like that, it's just complete breach of decorum. it's a complete breach of committee rules, a complete breach of just getting along around here. >> reporter: today after numerous delays it is very likely that rex tillerson will be confirmed by the full senate for secretary of state and attorney general nominee jeff sessions will face his committee vote after, again, numerous delays. he could see a final confirmation vote, chris, potentially later this week. >> all right, sunlen, plenty going on. let's bring in democratic senator from west virginia joe manchin. senator, always a pleasure to be with you. >> good to be with you, chris. how are you? >> i don't know how i'm doing, senator. why don't you tell me? >> probably better than me. >> am i? let's talk about that. have you ever been in a situation like this before? how would you describe the current state of play in our nation's capital? >> let me put it in perspective,

first of all. i understand the democrats, my fellow democrats, the caucus is upset, and they're basically saying what was done with them with mitch mcconnell not even giving them a vote, not even having the decency to sit down and talk with a lot of the members, that was wrong. that was disgraceful. i think republicans had enough votes to basically block merrick garland, but should have at least given him a vote. now they think, okay, that's how we were treating, so we're going to treat them the same. that's not what we were sent here today. that's not what i'm going to do. i'm anxious to sit down with the new nominee to find out more about him, basically look at his judicial rulings and have more of an idea of what's going on. if you want the third branch of government to work, then you've got to have a nine-member supreme court. so if republicans did something and now democrats are going to do something, two wrongs don't make a right. >> what about the good fight? what i keep hearing from democrats, and i want you take

on it, you look at this executive order, the travel ban. you look at the attack of the phantom of voter fraud, look at the sheltering of russia from responsibility o for the hacks, this white house is prepared to upset fundamental principles of democracy and you need to fight the good fight. >> we are fighting. i'm very much committed towards doing the probe on the hacking the russians did that. we're going to do that in intel committee. i think we'll get a full and complete review of this thing and be able to have it transparent to where the people can see, was there involvement in any kind, any collusion or collaboration, i think that needs to be done. i'm very much committed about that. when you look at the travel ban, it was horribly handled. we came back in on inauguration day, chris, to make sure that we put the security team in place. we got general kelly and general mattis the same day at 4:00, we came in.

we should have got pompeo, too. they played some games back and forth and we got him in on monday. my understanding, he never consulted with the security team. however that was orchestrated or rolled out was wrong. to have 25 or 30-year-old politically appointed staff members make the decisions and on top of that sign a non-disclosure to where they can't even tell the people they work for -- let me tell you, if i had a staffer that was doing something for somebody else sign a non-disclosure, they would not be on my payroll as of that minute that i found out. >> have you ever heard of the white house doing that before, where they go to congressional staffers and say we want your help on something, don't tell your boss, and we're having you sign this document, like we were doing some marketing deal in the private sector, and you can't talk about it. have you ever heard of that before? >> chris, if it's ever happened, i've never heard of it. this came out. whether it's factual or not,

that's what i heard. no one disputed that. the committee people -- i'm sure the white house and staffers work all the time. usually they do it with the knowledge of the committee they're working for, trying to come to some type of agreed -- >> are you sure it happened? >> i don't know for sure. i've heard and no one disputed it. if it's not factual, if it's not factual, if there's members -- basically these staffers did not sign non-disclosure, please tell me. if they did that, i think the member or committee they work for should fire them and they should go on the payroll of the white house. >> you should find out. we'll try to find out, also. i think you've got an ethics problem if your white house is having people promise not to say anything by contract to the people they work for as elected officials. >> we will find out. i just heard about it yesterday. >> we'll look into that as well. >> what are you saying to the democrats, not showing up for hearings, they're trying to make

the point that some of these cabinet nominees are ethically challenged and deeper conflicts that need to be looked through, but you don't have the votes. what do you do? >> first of all, it was harry reid that blew it up. >> with the filibuster rule. >> the filibustefilibuster. the nuclear option put it down to one. my be loved robert baird would roll over in his grave knowing we did that. we were supposed to make sure basically bipartisan, we move together, work together, we found commonality. you break that rule there and go with the filibuster rule, you go down to simple 51 majority, 51 simple majority, you basically are no different than what the house is. when the democrats are in power, 51 votes, rs are in power, nobody has to work together. that's not the design of the senate. that's not the design of a

bicamera legislature. i think there should be a 60-vote rule on the supreme court. i think there should be a 60-vote rule on all the court nominees. with that being said, you think -- do i think they might go ahead and pull the nuclear option, i think they might because they're going to say, hey, you all led the way, why not follow along. two wrongs don't make a right. >> sometimes the rules are different where you are. let me ask you one last thing. as part of the your desire to have a fair broker, you say you have the ability to dialogue with the white house and you can talk to your own caucus. >> sure. >> do you have the urge to go to the white house and say, look, i don't care if you beat up on the media, they can't take enough left jabs as far as i'm concerned, but you need to deal differently with the men and women in congress here because this tone of disruption and this reality of disruption is only going to make things worse? >> i can tell when you reach

across the aisle and bring both parties together, there's very few people that would deny a request to the white house and sit and talk with the staff or the president, whether democrat or republican. more of that should be done. that's how you start building some type of a dialogue and i would encourage them to do more of that. i feel very comfortable talking, whether it be president trump or his administration or with chuck schumer and my caucus. but the bottom line is, we were sent here to get something accomplished. we have a dysfunctional -- the people were upset, were very mad and they voted. donald trump got elected. not a traditional democrat or republican. people said i don't like either one of you. i don't like the way you're operating or getting nothing accomplished and playing foolish games. let's get something accomplished. i'm willing to sit down and work. you can say i respectfully disagree and here is why. what i don't like, chris, is when people say, i'm sorry, i can't vote for that. give me the reasons why.

maybe we can find a reason we can vote together. i'm just sorry. that means politically they eve hunkered down, going to vote against it, doesn't care what the facts are and not trying to find the middle ground. that's not what we were sent here today. if they want me to be against something because i'm a democrat or my friends are republican and i should be against them, then you sent the wrong person here. you sent us for the wrong reason. find somebody else that wants to play that game. >> senator, please let us know how your efforts are greeted and we will follow up on our reporting. i promise you that. >> i'll be back with you, chris. >> appreciate it as always, senator. alisyn? >> you've heard other democrats say they're prepared to fight president trump's supreme court nominee. are they picking the right battle? we look at their strategy next. with the help of the lowest taxes in decades, a talented workforce, and world-class innovations.

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president trump announcing his supreme court nominee last night and democrats say they will try to fight it as they've already been doing with many of mr. trump's cabinet appointees. joining me now is west virginia senator shelly cab toe. >> good morning. >> can you understand the frustration of democrats who say after what republicans did with merrick garland where they didn't even allow a vote, why should we now fall in line to help them with their nominee? >> i think the reason that we need to move forward is this is a very important decision. the reason we as republicans

didn't move forward last year was because we were in the middle of an election year, primary votes had already been cast. we said united, let's let the next president choose this nominee, and we didn't know who the president was going to be. so we are where we are. i think president trump has been very transparent in his process. he said he's going to do this and he's appointed a mainstream, well respected gentleman of the court. i look forward to reporting him. >> maybe you heard senator joe manchin who was just on. he said what republicans did with garland was disgraceful. he said you didn't have the decency to let it go. i hear your rationale, but there were ten months where supreme court business could have been done and it had that vacant seat. >> i guess i can say i understand the frustration. we have to go from where we are right now, and i think the other issue is we gave the american people the opportunity i think in the election to put their voices into what type of supreme court justice they would like to

have. i think that was part of why president trump won. i think replacing justice scalia was very important to a lot of people, conservative, constitution-minded judge would be a part of the bench. i think the american people spoke in november and i think we need to have a good hearing and hopefully the democrats will join us as has been done in the past and is custom in the past and let us give judge gorsuch a good run through the senate and let us express our opinions. >> i hear you. look, elections have consequences. you're so right. for the democrats who are still in their seats or who won their seats, they just feel in engendered bad blood and certainly not an as spree decor necessary for bipartisanship. what do you say for democrats about how they are supposed to put all that aside and rise to the ox case and be bigger people than they felt mitch mcconnell

was to them? >> i think if you look at what's going on today. i'll be before epw voting for a nominee. it's expected democrats aren't even going to show up for the committee. it's not like we're all working in good spirit here, there's a lot of obstructionism going on that is not of anybody's interest and certainly not in the interest of the country if we can't get the head of these very important agencies. i'm a realist. we are where we are, we've got to move forward. weave got to find a way and i hope the democrats are join us. >> let's move on to the travel ban. what did you think of president trump's travel ban? good idea, bad idea? >> i think we have issues with our immigration that we've put the spotlight on for at least a year, in terms of visa waivers, in terms of countries that are extremely dangerous or harbingers of terrorists. i think we need to work to tighten this up. we're taking a pause.

i support the pause, yes. was it rolled out in the best way? i would says, it probably left some things to be desired. they're clarifying all this now. i don't think it's a ban. i don't think it's a religious test. i wouldn't support a religious test. that's not who we are. i think we need to move forward, make sure we tighten these things up and move forward with our regular immigration process. >> what is your evidence that background checks that don't work? in other words, when we look at what is required for refugees, there's a 20-point plan that they need to pass through a background check. there are multiple fingerprint checks, biometric checks, there are written checks. the state department as well as a host of other organizations look at them. what's your evidence that the vetting process is not working? >> i think it's obvious that the countries that were pinpointed, the seven country, don't have a sophisticated immigration processes that we do.

there's a lot of people that can fall through the loops. these are clever people who have evil and destruction in their mind. all we're saying is let's make sure that we're helping those countries get the resources to help us, make sure that we're preventing the wrong times of people from coming into this country. i think we have to go the extra step to protect this country, i'm willing to do that. >> what about the women we've seen, the syrian children and women who are struggling so much with the civil war there snt what about their plight and this is an indefinite ban on syrian refugees? >> the whole situation in syria is heartbreaking. this is something that's developed over several years, that we should have been more aggressive on and the policies we went forward with over the last several years -- obviously, there were no policies to aggressively beat that back. we just saw the king of jordan yesterday talking about the

presstion on his country for the syrian refugees and going in and out of the border there and how difficult it is for families. i'm a mother. i'm a grandmother. i have great empathy. i can't imagine living in this kind of terror. that's why i think creating safe zones where people in syria would be near family and support groups, those are the kinds of policies we should have been pursuing from the beginning and we haven't. >> senator capito, thanks so much for being on the show. >> thank you. have a good morning. >> you, too. confirmation hearings for supreme court nominee neil gorsuch could be quite a game of chess. presidential adviser who witnessed four judges on the high court is going to tell us why. ss the state are growing the economy, with the help of the lowest taxes in decades, a talented workforce, and world-class innovations.

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president trump fulfilling his campaign promise nominating a conservative justice, neil gorsuch, who shares the philosophy in certain ways of the late antonin scalia. he would then fill that vacant seat held by scalia. that's why he's going to be compared to him. could the president, though, be disappointed by his pick? it's happened before. joining us is ron clain he served as associate council to bill clinton during the ginsburg and breyer nominations, also an assistant to president obama advising on sotomayor and kagan

confirmations. you have two other seats that may be coming up because of age and inclination. what do you want people to keep in mind in terms of what you think you're buying and what you sometimes get in a justice? >> through history, chris, presidents have been surprised by nominees. the surprise here would be if judge gorsuch is surprising. he's a very conservative nominee. there's a standard academic score that says he would be the most conservative in 25 years, eighth most conservative on this court. i don't think there's going to be many such surprises from judge gorsuch. i think that's what donald trump wanted in a no knee and what he got. >> ron, i was interested to hear that you also thought donald trump was sending is a morse code to justice kennedy with this pick. can you decipher that morse code with us? >> i think morse code, whatever it is, clearly the most important pick for the supreme court comes if justice kennedy retires. judge gorsuch is very

conservative, but replacing a very conservative justice. the balance on the court won't change if he's confirmed. justice kennedy really is the swing vote on the supreme court. he's one of the three holdest members of the court and it would be the desire of the trump administration to try to get him to retire. judge gorsuch clerked for justice kennedy. i think this might be a signal to justice kennedy, come on out, the water is fine. i think judge gorsuch is much more conservative than justice kennedy. it's not really clear how justice kennedy will read this selection. >> so fascinating. it's like a tip of the hat to kennedy saying, look, it's in good hands, here is your clerk. you can go now. >> except i don't get it because kennedy is somewhat of a swing vote, but still lines up well enough that wouldn't they prefer to see ginsburg leave? >> i think, chris, that certainly might prefer to see justice ginsburg or justice breyer leave. but i think they'll serve as long as they can, as long as

they're healthy. seems like they're in very good shape. justice kennedy was picked by president reagan. there's a tradition of justices retiring when a president who appointed them is of the same party. i think that's why the justice kennedy question is so front and center for many people, because he was picked by reagan and now we have a republican president again. while there's a bit of a tip to justice kennedy, judge gorsuch in his writings have been what critical of justice kennedy's picks. >> ron, while we have you, we want to talk about the travel ban and the legalities. is there any possible legal pitfalls? how do you see it? >> there have been five courts that looked at on a preliminary basis and it's 0-5 in those hearings. if you're a betting person, you'd bet some of these final decisions will go poorly. it clearly has a religious

discrimination test in it. it says we'll give priorities to refugees who are members of minority religions from countries where the majority religion is muslim. the court also have final hearings to determine its constitutionality. >> let's talk about what that means. does that mean they can lose in court and adjust the order, which they're already doing. muslim ban during the kban was then a ban, not a ban, it's vetting just pyuft juft putting in procedures. can it be wiped away completely. >> i don't think the court will rule based on donald trump's twitter feed. the executive order says what it says. it does discriminate against people based on their religion. they could change it. if they changed it, we'd have to see what they changed it to. donald trump people say take him seriously not literally. he literally said he wanted to

ban muslims. the order literally bans muslims. as it stands now, i think the order will lose in the courts. >> as you know, the trump administration is saying we took our queue from the obama administration. these were the seven countries that they named and highlighted as being terror-prone. we took a page from them. >> alisyn, what the obama administration said is these seven countries are dangerous and u.s. citizens should be careful before they travel there. that was the travel warning the obama administration issued. that's very different than saying people from these seven countries can't come here after, in the case of refugees, you pointed this out earlier, alisyn, after a 20-point screening process, biometric reviews, fingerprints. no refugee from these seven countries has committed a terrorist act in this country, zero. when you see a 5-year-old boy being handcuffed at an airport, it's hard to see this is a security issue. >> it will be interesting to see

how this plays out in the courts. one of the nice things is bs doesn't fly in court. it works in political spin. you can beat up the media for countering your facts, fake facts, whatever you call them. in court it doesn't work that way. i guess the president could attack the judge as he's done in the past. that probably won't matter either. ron, thank you. >> thank you, chris. president trump is defending his executive order this morning in realtime on twitter. he's saying you can call it a ban if you want. does it matter how you label it. we'll get the bottom line next.

time for the five things to know for your "new day." president trump introducing conservative colorado judge neil gorsuch as his pick for the supreme court. democrats are vowing to fight the nomination calling the choice hostile. >> democrats also blocking votes for key trump cabinet nominees. but republicans did manage to push through education secretary betsy devos through committee. devos is now accused of plagiarizing answers in a senate questionnaire. the suspect in a deadly

shooting attack at a quebec mosque facing murder charges. authorities say the 27-year-old suspect also could face terrorism charges. the daughter of slain al queda leader an wah al awlaki killed last weekend. a navy s.e.a.l. also died, the first under president trump. federal prosecutors are reportedly considering child porn charges against former new york congressman anthony weiner, stems from alleged inappropriate contact he had with a 15-year-old girl. for more on the five things to know, go to newdaycnn.com for the latest. white house press secretary sean spicer complaining that the media is unfairly using the term ban to describe president trump's executive orders on refugees. the president himself taking a different tone. he tweeted this morning everybody is arguing whether or not it is a ban. call it what you want. it is about keeping bad people with bad intentions out of the

country. let's get to the bottom line with cnn political analyst carl bernstein. great to have you here. >> good to be here. >> do you want to argue semantics or argue the substance? >> let's talk about reality. this is a piece of trumpest bigotry massacre reading at national security policy to solve a problem that according to all the experts in the department of homeland security wasn't there. it is to fulfill campaign promises. it is to fulfill an authoritarian vision of himself and his presidency and to go to the truth rarely, let's go to rudy giuliani. he has gotten up and saying, i was entrusted with finding a legal justification for a muslim ban. he's admitted it. he's said it. you can look at his exact words which are a tiny bit different than what i just said, but that's the reality. it is a piece of essential trumpism that is the reason that

the country is divided in the country the way it is now and why we have more people in the streets than whae eve seen since the vietnam era and that's not going to go away. >> but you do have the other half, almost, saying i am afraid of these people. they want to kill me the way they are killing people in other parts of the world. why wait? >> because there was apparently from, again, the experts in place already an effective system, and it could have been studied. it could have been a temporary piece by piece, person by person re-evaluation. there are so many ways to do that. let's look at mattis' reaction to this. let's look at kelly's reaction to this. >> let's look at steve bannon's reaction to this. seems to have his hand prints all over it. he says 20% of the american population of these immigrants, isn't that the heart of the

problem? why let anyone in at all? it seems the president is echoing that. >> the president, even before steve bannon was on board in the campaign was saying this, in essence. it is part of what donald trump campaigned on, to basically keep muslim immigrants out of america. the reason that we are seeing the reaction to this from republicans as well as democrats, they got a reprieve last night with a supposedly presidential looking announcement about a supreme court justice which, in fact, part of the reason people are in the streets. it's all part of a large trumpest vision, bannon vision of america that is not in keeping with our history as a bastian and opening, welcoming country for immigrants such as donald trump's own grandparents, et cetera, et cetera. this is a place we have not gone

willingly in many years to this kind of attitudes in the presidency of the united states. >> you talked about the protests we've seen. that's the public display of dissent. then there are these private sort of back channel displays of dissent that we see as well. t"the washington post" reports less than two weeks into the trump administration, federal workers are in regular consultation with recently appointed obama-era appointees. some have set up media accounts to leak information. it's so widespread, it has officials worrying about paralysis and overt refusals of workers to do their job. >> we're at a new place in terms of divisions in this country. they've been not only exacerbated by trump's election, but his actions in the first two weeks have confirmed that he

does not appear to his own republican supporters on capitol hill to be of sufficient stability to exercise the presidency. >> we vant heard -- >> we have heard that. >> people have come on and said we are delighted, look what he's accomplished in ten days. >> i'm sure people have come on air and said that. i get on the telephone and see republicans. i know what many of them say in private and what their worries are. >> we or not going to question your reporting -- >> i'm not saying it's all. they are delighted -- the reason they have hitched their star to donald trump and are willing to go along with some of this excess is that they see a possibility of their agenda being enacted. but as david brooks in "the new york times," the conservative columnist of "the new york times" said yesterday, it is a faustian bargain. brooks predicted trump won't be

able to serve his four years because of his wretched excesses. >> a bargain all the say. there are republicans who say i'll take what i can get. >> absolutely. >> let me ask you something before we run out of time. joe manchin said he heard that the administration had congressional staffers sign ndas, non-disclosure agreements to work on the executive order where they couldn't tell the congress members they worked with that they were doing that. have you heard that? >> i have not. i listened to the senator say it. it's an interesting story. it all goes back to the same thing. an authoritarian vision of what governance is, as opposed to an open, democratic process, and that's where we are right now. >> carl, always great to get your perspective. thank you very much. president trump has slammed the current vetting process for refugees as woefully weak. but what is it really like? we'll hear from two refugees about their experience, their vetting experience and why they wanted to come here.

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president trump's executive order to stop admission of all refugees to the u.s. for 120 days is sparking lots of questions over the current vetting process. is it tough enough? to be clear there are already 20 stringent steps refugees must take including extensive in-person interviews with the u.n., state department and homeland security, multiple background checks and at least three fingerprint screenings. in july i sat down with two former refugees. here is what they told me about the screening process and why thant wanted to come to america. >> the concern of many here in the united states, and i'm sure you've heard it over and over, who are these people, who are the refugees coming? if somebody shows up without documentati documentation, how can we trust who they are. how did you prove that you were a good person.

>> we're screened, given identity cars, there's a process. most of us, we are running away from violence. when we come here, we feel they're safe. >> the screening process in the refugee camp, it's a very intense screening process. first you have to apply for it and then wait because they will do their study and background check of the people who applied for resettlement. then after that dss, department of homeland security will be doing another investigation of our background. >> what do you think about some of the things that donald trump has said about refugees? >> i would strongly recommend and request, in fact, them to come to our house and talk to us and see. i'm working. i'm contributing to this community and every single day i'm doing the same thing other people in this country are doing. >> for syrian refugees and muslim refugees, i think they're

running away from their own people, the people who are hunting and killing them, they're muslims, too. >> now that you're here in the u.s., tell me what your life is like? >> i feel that america has given me so much, that they have built me -- i went back to school, finished a degree in 2013. so i feel i've been given a chance that i would never even dream to have. >> and what's your life like? >> when people in the morning ask how are you, i say perfect. there's no complaint from me. >> what will it mean, norah, to be an american? >> it means a great deal for me. it means to have a country where i have rights, where i have security, i'll be protected which is number one on my list. so i feel so excited again to be a citizen, to have a great

country like america, to be an american. >> what does it mean to you now that you're an american? >> to me, to be american means i have a place called home. for entire of my life, i never had a place of my own. so to me america means i belong to this land, this is my country. this soil belongs to me and i belong to the soil. i am part of it. it means a lot for me. >> meeting with them, did they give you any sense that there is this breeziness to the process that jason chaffetz said with a smile on his face this morning, these interviews can be like -- >> you just heard, so grateful to be an american, he was in a refugee camp for years, i think it was 18 years he was in a refugee camp, a shocking number. they are penned in and just desperate to begin their lives

waiting their lives. all the interviews and my oh metrics, they're grateful for it and never complained about going through it and so grateful now to be on farrah fir ma. i think it's important to remind people of the process they went through. >> tough to hear what's out there about them right now. good story, thank you. >> you're welcome. let's have some laughs. >> done. >> let night laughs next.

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late night comics are taking on president trump. listen. >> we're just ten days in, and it fees like it's total chaos at the white house. this is supposed to be the honeymoon. how could he blow the honeymoon? he's had three of them. >> even people connected to trump are taking eat, like disney ceo bob eiger, facing criticism for being part of an advisory committee. meanwhile, aladdin has been stuck in customs at jfk since saturday. >> donald trump has said this week he will allow 872 refugees into the united states, 872, specifically. he said they'll arrive on friday and start their modeling careers on monday. >> a psychologist at johns hopkins university says he believes president trump suffers

from malignant narcissim. trump just missed the deadline for obamacare. >> fallon amming it up. i wonder if it's because colbert is beating him. maybe the appetites are changing for what people want. >> maybe they are. we will explore that. time for the "newsroom" with carol costello. >> have a great day guys. "newsroom" starts now. good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you very much for joining me. president donald trump sets the stage for what may be the most meaningful battle yet. his pick for supreme court, neil gorsuch, heads to capitol hill, meeting the pence and lawmakers to vote on his confirmation. democrats vow a bitter fight ahead. in the moan time, the battle heats up on capitol hill next hour. a senate committee gets set to vote on attorney general