disastrous rollout doesn't happen again. >> dana, thank you so much. >> thank you, erin. >> thanks to all of you for joining us. you can watch the show "out front" any time, anywhere go. to cnn go. we'll see you back here tomorrow. "ac 36 o" begins right now. >> good evening. thank you very much for joining us. we begin with breaking news. president trump and vice president pence making it official after a bruising con fi confirmation battle, rex tillerson is now secretary of state. the ceremony followed mr. trump's first taste of the consequences of the decision that's the president makes. >> i just returned from an amazing visit with a great, great family at dover. it was something very sad, very beautiful. ryan, a great man. secretary tillerson, i first want to congratulate you and

your wife and your entire family on this incredible honor and it is that, an incredible honor. you bring the unique skills and deep, deep insights and i got to see it firsthand into foreign diplomacy our nation needs to foster stability and security in a world too often trapped and right now it's trapped in violence and in war. you understand that the job of our diplomats and the mission of the state department is to serve the interests of the united states of america to make our nation safer, our country more prosperous and our people much more secure. and that mission you also understand the importance of strengthening our alliances and forming new alliances to enhance our strategic interests and the

safety of our people. your whole life has prepared you for this move. and you really have had a tremendous life heading up one of the great companies of the world. and doing it magnificently. absolutely magnificently. i can say this say man that is respected all over the world before he even begins. but now he's beginning his big, big and most important journey. this is where you were meant to be right here today at this cross roads in history. it's time to bring a clear eyed focus to foreign affairs, to take a fresh look at the world around us, and to seek new solutions grounded in very ank enlt truths. they include the fact that nations have a right to protect their interests, that all people have a right to freely pursue their own destiny, and that all

of us are better off when we act in concert and not in conflict. and there has rarely been conflict like we have in the world today. very sad. i'm excited for you. i'm excited for your family. perhaps most importantly, i'm excited for our great country. th though you inherit enormous challenges in the middle east and aren't world, i do believe we can achieve peace and stability in these very, very troubled times. may god bless you in this journey. and may god bless our very, very special and great country. thank you very much. >> president trump noted he was just back from dover air force base and the return of william

ryan owens who was slained in that raid in yemen over the weekend. secretary tiller son takes the state department job with sharp words at iran and nearly a thousant employees taking exception with his own boss's executive order. more now on. that. >> a scathing protest by career diplomats and civil servants is growing. over 900 of them signing a petition protesting president trump's until positivenew polic. in a memo obtained by cnn, the diplomats warn trump us aexecutive order will not acheest aim of making our country safer and is likely to alienate allies in our counter terrorism efforts and increase anti-american sent ment and foster violent extreme im. >> the cable is at least in my memory unprecedented. and i think it goes to the deep concern and the broad concern that is felt in the state department over the actions taken about it administration. >> the memo came through the state department's dissent channel which awards employees

for voicing foreign policy concerns without retribution. and from the white house, a blunt warning. >> the president has a very clear vision. i think that they should get with the program or they can go. >> one long time career officer pushed out by the new administration used his farewell address to urge colleagues to stay and uphold their oath to defend america from all enemies foreign and domestic. >> the policy without professionals is by definition an amateur policy. you have to help make the choices that bring this country forward. >> reporter: in addition to a restless diplomatic corps, the trump administration must also con front allies concerned the white house is increasing the isis threat with the latest moves. >> they will use any opportunity they can to make difficulties to create the environment they want to radicalize people, to bring them over to their side. so it is a propaganda opportunity for them potentially. >> reporter: in canada, one

lawmaker compared trump's policies to fascism. >> we will call for immediate action and for the canadian government to finally start standing up to the facist donald trump. >> now is tillerson expected to try to smooth things over at the state department when he starts work tomorrow? >> i think that's what diplomats are really hoping, anderson. they say one of the early things he can do is come in and maybe speak to some of the authors of this memo. there's a lot of anxiety. not just about this immigration policy but the way that it was rolled out because as we know secretary tillerson, even though he was a nominee, the state department was not consulted at all. so i think they're going to be looking for some assurances for him that he has their back, that he hears them, that he respects them. and also that he's also going to represent their interests to the white house. and that could really go a long way in terms of getting the people on his side.

he needs going forward. he has that kind of reputation at exxon mobil. diplomats say he really wants to hear from people throughout the building and speak to what their interests and their concerns are. so i think they're going to be looking for him to really set the tone as someone who is willing to listen to his foreign service. >> thank you very much. we'll talk to the panel about that. i can hear jeffrey lord already thinking about what he wants to sachlt as we talked about briefly earlier, the president's national security adviser had a warning for iran after iranian backed hostile action in the red sea and a you missile test. >> president trump severely criticized the various agreements reached between iran and the obama administration as well as the united nations as being weak and ineffective. instead of being thankful to the united states in the agreements, iran is now feeling embolden. as to have day we are officially putting iran on notice. >> now general flynn did not take questions. did he not specifically or point out what being officially on

notice means. the white house briefed reporters on it. ambiguous about what it means at the end there, putting they will on notice. what is the latest? >> some people are calling this a red line if, it is at this point. it's a very blurry red line. it was meant to sound like a very hard line. this administration is saying they're dedicated to holding iran accountable after the latest ballistic missile launch. it is considering a whole range of options that nothing is off the table including a military option. what the administration didn't say is whether they contacted iran. in fact, they wouldn't answer that question, to tell iran that it is on notice. they did, though, take the opportunity to criticize the obama administration's response. and that caused the obama administration to lash out. president obama's former deputy national security adviser going on twitter and saying that, look, while this is going on, there's an escalating situation

of violence in ukraine. and questioning why the new national security adviser chose to call out iran harshly to call out the obama administration but not criticize putin. anderson? >> all right. michelle, thank you very much. joining us now is trump supporter, jeffrey lord. democratic strategist paul begala. also "new york times" columnist mike rooney and mark hurtling. we heard the national security adviser general flynn talking about iran being on notice. how do you interpret that message? and is there value or a strategy, perhaps, behind being intentionally vague? >> he can questions. there might be value behind the strategy of vagueness. but you don't do it in this manner. the reason i say is many will tell you the language of diplomacy is precise. there is no definition of putting people on notice. it's troubling, first of all.

it's really just bluster. and to have a military guy, a former military guy standing in the national security adviser's role saying this in the open and as michelle just said, two of the five parra graphs in the press release, by the way, it's a press release, not a demarsh. it wasn't delivered to the apgs of iran. i wasn't delivered to that country, our allies weren't informed. and most importantly, our military wasn't informed. the central commander said he had no idea this was going on. so this is another uncoordinated action being announced by a military guy to the press without the kind of diplomatic soft stroke you have to tachlt i get it that mr. trump is a different kind of president. but he's also dealing with sovereign nations. and this is really unfortunate. >> jeff, i mean, is it as general heartling -- >> respectfully, general, i disagree. let me just -- i want to read you a line from president

reagan's first press conference a few days after he was inaugurated and he received a question from abc's sam donaldson on the soviet union. and the president broke all kinds of land records here that were diplomatically speaking when he said the soviet union had openly and publicly declared that only morality they recognized is what will further their cause meaning they reserve under themselves the right to commit any crime, to lie, to cheat. i can only tell you in the world of washington diplomacy and the world of the media and the day, they were agas that the president of the united states would stand there and say. this his point was he was sending a message to the soviet union. that's what general flynn is doing. the reagan was the president of the united states and said these things. so there is a reason to do the things and general flynn sees it and does it. >> that's a statement. that's a statement, jeffrey. it's descriptive to be sure. but i don't see a threat in that. and i know we're going way back to the reagan administration one more time. but there was kind of a power in

that message that said this is what i'm going to do. it wasn't bluster. and it wasn't -- you know, we have seen a lot of -- we've seen a lot of action in the last few days but we haven't seen a strategy or progress. and there's a whole lot of difference between actions and signing things versus progress in an overarching strategy. i think mr. reagan came in with a strategy to defeat the soviet union and the warsaw pact. that was part of it. you know, as others have said, why isn't mr. trump or general flynn talking about what's going on in ukraine right now? since saturday, ukrainian -- or the russian forces have advanced on three different axis in violation of the accord. why aren't we talking about that right now? >> paul? >> well, in fact, if i can pick up on the general's point. it has become -- and ukraine has for quite much more time but much more ken etic can means tht

forces are engaging. 19 people were killed. these are russian backed separatists fighting the sovereign nation of ukraine and american ally and we're saying nothing while the iranians have launched -- tested a ballistic missile. i think the united states has a right to call them on that and to complain. i think the general is right, better done in concert with allies and diplomats and with your generals, central command didn't know. the contrast is being noted. all around the world. the president spoke to president putin today. we haven't gotten a readout of that conversation. but he did, according to the wo washington, he told the prime minister this is the wofr call i had today implying he gets along better with putin who as we speak has supporting separatists who are killing american allies than the australians an american ally. there is amateur hour. it is really dangerous. >> there were a lot of republicans asking during the

obama administration why isn't the obama administration talking forcefully against iran as we like? you had a democratic senator come out and say it appears as if the obama administration is using tehran talking points. harsh words from his own party. for mike flynn, a high ranking general i would note, i think he knows what he's doing, to come out and say iran is on notice after they not only fired a ballistic missile but they also attacked a saudi ship, say r a saudi ship which analysts say they attract ship thinking it might have been an american ship or a dress rehearsal for an attack. that is from defense analysts. for him to say iran is on notice, i'm not sure why that is controversial. >> i go back to russia one more time. instead of deflecting back to iran and shot a ballistic missile, not a nuclear weapon but a ballistic missile which is in their sovereign right to do. it has not been outlined as that is against the law according to the u.n. accord. they have done something that they have the right to do and yet russia continues in the 19

casualties or the 19 deaths to day has been building over the last six months. this has been continuous and it's just been increased over the last few days right after mr. trump's phone call, actually. and i'm troubled by that. this is an ally nation trying to maintain sovereignty. >> i was just going to say mike flynn may know what he's doing. he also has a rich history of provocative language and provocative stances. and this administration has a history of inspecific bluster. we need to see putting iran on notice in a larger context. we said again and again that donald trump is so far governing exactly as he campaigned. he spent lot of time on the campaign trail signalling he had a much different attitude against iran than the obama administration does. and we're seeing that in this. this is part of that larger context. so as we analyze it, i think we have to look at that bigger picture. >> we have to take a quick break and have more with the panel and

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department give a farewell address in which he made some pointed comments about the trump administration or pointed suggestions. do you think this is much to do about nothing or is -- i mean is this a good thing in your ideas? >> this is a good thing. i mean, i'm sure he's a good person. and all of this sort of thing in a professional. but my first reaction is don't let the door hit you on the way out. look, this is going to be -- >> i knew that was going to be your response. >> this is -- this was ronald reagan as problem. this is problems for republican president that's the bureaucracy is filled with lots of liberals. there are unions and there -- and most of them are unionized. they give in one case i look into with energy department spokesman, union representative spoke up. he gave $400,000 to democrats in this cycle and $22,000 to republicans. in other words, they think they're running the country. the fact of the matter is neither this gentleman nor anyone else in any of the

departments was elected anything. donald trump is the person that went out and did the hard work and got elected. they expect him to run the government. if these folks don't like policy a, b, or c, have honor and resign. >> paul, what is wrong with that? why shouldn't the president have the pept representing his policy? >> can you imagine the reverse to bill clinton? >> in 1993, the same process, the dissent channel at the state department, history, created by dean rusk. we were engaged in vietnam. it has proved to be one of the great successes in managing a bureaucracy. ate louz experts to speak out when they believe the government is wrong without having to resign and sometime policy changes. when president-elect was president, about a dozen folks sent messages through the dissent channel saying we were being too weak on ethnic cleansing in bosnia. we wound up going to war to stop

the ethnic cleansing. zbh right. >> they were saying we were too weak on syria. we'll see what the president trump does. but this say wonderful thing. eisenhower, you quote reagan, i go to eisenhower. he said never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. this is a high act of patriot m patriotism. the state department gives an award for dissent. that's how wonderfully that has taken hold in the department. you don't want a bureaucracy that doesn't challenge the conventional wisdom. >> i agree with. that but there is a difference between expressing dissent and trying to sabotage it. >> they're not trying to sabotage it. >> it's interesting, frank. donald trump said as a leader he likes to hear dissenting voices. he likes to -- >> has he said that i haven't seen a lot of evidence in. that any time those of us in the media he says he wants to curtail our rights. this is largely about liberals in the bureaucracy but not entirely.

this is about in the early phase of the administration, executive orders have been signed without being vetted by agencies without getting the sort of input that would normally be sought and received. and so i think a lot of people in government are are feeling entirely shutout of the process and feeling the things are being done in a rash way. and we've seen that rashness in terms of the confusion. you know, with the immigration crackdown, were green cards affected or not? we saw that with the confusion, that's what a 20% import tariff on every country or just on mexico? again and again, there is all this confusion. orders are being written before they've been thought through and advice is sought. i that i is what is fueling the robustness of this dissent. >> i think we have two categories to jeffress a point. we have the dissent category and the defiance category. to paul's point, the dissent cat gore yishgs t -- category, can you express dissent as lon as you don't engage in defiance. what we saw earlier in the week with the former acting attorney general and instructing the

justice department to not defend the president's actions was reprehensible. >> i took that oath. oath is to the constitution not to the president. >> and the constitution supports his actions. >> "the washington post" has just written about it. he joins us on the phone. philip, explain what occurred in this. >> hi, anderson. so president trump spoke with the prime minister of australia on saturday over the weekend. it was a day where he had five phone calls with world leaders. but it got quite testy and, you know, trump has taken issue with the refugee agreement that was reached between the united states and australia under president obama. that would allow roughly 1200 refugees that are currently in australia to, you know, apply to enter the united states through our screening process. he got very angry with the prime minister about that according to our sources. and the call only lasted about 25 minutes before it ended, a lot sooner than xpeked. among the things trump did is he

bragged about the magnitude of his electoral college victory. sort of talking about his crowds and his electoral college win as something he has begun doing in a number of these foreign leader calls and that happened with the australian prime minister. and then at one point he told the prime minister that, look, i spoke today with four other world leaders including russian president putin and "this was the worst call by far." so that's pretty strong language for the president to be making to the australian leader. australia is one of the u.s.'s long time allies on trade, intelligence sharing and, of course, defense matters. >> and this call took place saturday? >> on saturday, that's right. it was a day when trump was at the white house making a number of calls to various foreign leaders. >> fascinating details on the call. philip, i appreciate talk toug. thank you so much from "the washington post" with details on this call. i mean, why -- why do you bring up, why do you think it's

important? >> it is really astonishing. australia is one of our closest allies. fwhut is really vexing to me. that our president seems to go into picking fights with our allies, neighbors, customers. he picked fights with the mexicans and now with australians. the british are atalking about not allowing him to the country and not a peep from rush yachlt it's a very odd juxtaposition that he seems to be much more pro russia than he is pro ally. >> should he be talking about this? >> i think one thing that is going on here is that donald trump and andening -- and eveng glanld and whether it's around the globe. it sounds to me like this conversation with the australian prime minister is of that variety. >> i guess my question is more ukraine and why not if the white

house is talking about iran, will you actually have, you know, people being killed in ukraine by advancing -- >> i don't know the ins and outs. i'll be honest with you on. that but i'm sure in all due time as these things come to his attention or brought to his attention by his staff that he'll deal with it. and what the conversation with the australian prime minister says to me is he's fearless about this. when was dealing with jeb bush or whom ever in the republican establish ment, he's now in the world stage and he's going to be fearless with. this. >> but it's easy to beat up on the australian prime minister, i imagine. i guess the request is with vladimir putin -- >> i think if he felt there was cause, he would do it in a heartbeat, absolutely. >> i'm just -- part of the readout that sticks with me is president donald trump knew and bragged about his victory night. when he is going to stop talking about that? and also all this talk about him

leading a movement which in his words the likes of the world has never seen, i think they might quibble with that and there are plenty of other historical anlt seend ents. i'm tired of him using formal situations, formal discussions with foreign leaders, interviews with potential cabinet secretaries to talk about how great his victory night was. i mean this is not presidential -- >> it does represent something, frank. it represents a movement of americans in this country to challenge the status quo. it is worth mentioning. >> would you describe for me the shies and contours of the movement? he speaks as if he -- he literally says the likes of which the world has never seen. tell me a world has never seen a movement like the one is that donald trump is leading. >> the size an content is that donald trump -- >> the world has never seen anything the movement that donald trump is leading? you are really serious? >> lots of stories that president donald trump is like no other. >> i would like you to quantify this for me. >> we have electoral votes. >> with foreign leaders, he talked about it publicly.

what we're missing is the point of the call for the first time we have america first foreign policy. >> what does that have to do with donald trump reliving the election night? >> i understand you want to focus on the electoral victory. i want to focus on the other half of the call. i thought it was far more important and that is to say we had a refugees come in this country and attack american citizens ar for donald trump to get on the phone add advocate for america's interests and say we're putting a halt to this, that is a good thing. and i understand the media wants to get distracted by him talking about election night. >> he doesn't need to take the narcissistic die inauguration and talk about how wonderful his victory was? >> this is what you want to focus on. the american public wants to focus on the other half of the call which is america is first again on the world stage and advocate for our interests. >> so then why doesn't he edit -- >> if i could say something. i think it's interesting that it's been posed as an america

first policy. and what we've been seeing over the last couple days is about to become an america only policy. that's troubling to me. we spent several decades attempting to build alliances and i think what we're seeing right now in the first 13, 14 days of the trump administration is a lot of signatures on executive orders. way haven't seen a reaction to a crisis. when that happens, i think it will in the next 30 to 60 days, mr. trump will look around for alliances. it won't be like he saw in the campaign where he was insulting all the other candidates for the republican party and they all eventually came around to him. when he tries to come around and build alliances to fight real threats, he's going to find himself not just america first but america all by itself. >> we have to take a break here. we have a lot more ahead on what has been a very busy day on capitol hill. donald trump's supreme court pick made calls. republicans went ahead own voted without democrats when they

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president trump had the first meeting with leaders on capitol hill. the senate judiciary committee hopes to be in confirmation hearings in six weeks. democrats have to decide how aggressive they bant to be now that the shoe is on the other foot. president trump for his part minced no words advising mitch mcconnell to go nuclear if necessary. we have the latest. what you are learning about how democrats are planning on handling this? >> this has consumed a lot of debate internally. last week at a private retreat in west virginia, democrats talking about their tactics as well as in private lunch meetings as well. and what we're finding out is

that the caucus is divided along, largely along ideological lines. progressives and liberal fire brands want to go tooth and nail and fight this nomination, filibuster it and do everything they can to keep him from getting this spot. some of the more centrist members and those up for election are reserving judgement. and the top parties are also saying maybe this is not the fight to wage. maybe worry about the next time we don't have to worry about possibly seeing republicans gut the filibuster and worry about this fight if it's a conservative replacing a liberal justice. and that is all putting democratic leaders like chuck shumer in a tricky spot. >> i know you talked to joe mansion about calls from the left to block the nominee. what is he saying? >> he -- the mansion is one of the senters that the trump team is court he. he met with neil gorsuch earlier. mansion warning liberals in the party that it's time to work with president trump including on this nominee.

or they can risk super minority status. take a listen. >> if we're ever going to be back into the majority, they're going to have to learn to work with moderates, people that come from red states like myself that might not be able to serve a base that goes further left. they have to be tolerant. understand. that if not, they're going to be in this super minority. >> now anderson this is really the crux of the debate post election for democrats on how to move forward. liberals believe it's time to move back to more ideological roots an really that's where the energy of the party is right now. people like joe mansion may end up getting overruled here. >> and the president saying he told mitch mcconnell to go nuclear or lower the threshold to break a filibuster. how do rank and file republicans feel about that? >> they're open to it. even though they closed this idea of changing the rules and in the past i talked to a number of republicans who are not

ruling it out. they're saying bluntly from the leadership on down to the rank and file that noter what donald trump will get his nominee confirmed. he can read between the lines. they're ready to go nuclear. >> all right. thank you very much. now the other battles in capitol hill. we said the senate today confirmed exxon mobil ceo rex tillerson as the next secretary of state. republicans played hard ball to get two other trump nominee as proved when democrats boycotted hearings for a second day. phil mattingly joins wuts latest. let's talk about the republican moves to push through several of trump's nominees. zbh yeah. look, partisanship on capitol hill is a new develop ment. the level of ranker we're seeing has really kind of caused dramatic turns. you talk about republicans change the rule in committee to move president trump's nominees along. why do they have to da? democrats were in the midst of the second boycott of committee hearings over the course of two days. now normally, again, while partisanship exists sh these committee processes and moving through nominees is pretty

regular order. but we have moved far beyond that and the underlying reason is this. democrats as it currently stands have no mechanism of blocking any of these nominees on their own f republicans stick together, every single one of president trump's nominees will be confirmed. because of that, democrats are trying to basically pull any procedural lever they can find to slow the process down. we've seen a lot of frustrated republicans i've talked to a lot of frustrated republicans and they're fighting back. this is the way they're doing it. even if it doesn't seem to go with what we're used to. >> i understand things got heated between frank and cornyn. >> this is the new normal. it is getting very personal. i want to play this four. take a listen. i want to just set it off with the premise this isn't how these committee hearings are supposed to happen. >> but when describing this history, senator cruz misrepresented what happened. so i'd like to take this opportunity to set the record straight. >> i object to the senator

disparaging of fellow member of the committee here and his absence. i would think -- >> well, he should be here, first of all. secondly, don't disparage me, senator. >> let him make his case and then we'll go back you to. >> i object to -- we're here to talk about the president's nominee not a colleague. and i object to disparaging -- disparaging a colleague on this committee and particularly in the colleague's absence much it's just not -- it's untort and inappropriate. now i object. >> okay. can i speak to that? >> you can speak to it. i think that we would be better off if we just let it go at this point. >> you mean let me continue my speech? >> yeah. would do you that, please? >> i will, thank you. >> anderson, we're seeing exchanges like that break out across committees here. now i did mention that republicans have largely stayed in line. they haven't broken at all on the nominees. that changed today. it was a jarring development,

records saying they would be opposed to betsy devos's nomination as education secretary. it's important to note that republicans they can actually lose three senators and at this point they are not expected to do. that but this is going to be as tight as it can possibly get. as it currently stands, the vote will be 50/50. republicans control the courthouse which means mike pence, president of the senate and his capacity, will come up and cast the tiebreaking vote. anderson? >> thank you very much. up next, been a busy start for the trump presidency. a lot of executive actions signed and under scrutiny. plus a supreme court nominee picked already. in a moment i'll speck with glenn beck who is no fan of donald trump, has he changed his mind at all? we'll talk to him about. that and the first lady breaking her silence over some reports about whether or not she'll finally move to washington. americans - 83% try to eat healthy.

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whether you support prz trump or not, he is living up to promises. it's been a busy start in the oval office for the president. he signed more than a dozen executive actions and rewritten u.s. policy on several issues such as immigration and refugees and last night' announced his pick for the supreme court neil gorsuch. joining us tonight is glenn beck, founder of the blaze and syndicated radio host. glenn, you had your fair share of kabd date trump and president trump. his supreme court pick, does it make you rethink your early area sesme -- earlier assessment of the president he might become. >> yeah, in some ways yes and some ways no. and i didn't think this is a great surprise for a constitutional conservative.

that was skeptical of what president trump might do. and on the air today apologized to everybody who listened to me and i said during the primary and during the election i don't -- if you're hanging your hat on this, i don't think it's a done deal. i didn't think he would. and did he. and for all of those he val generalic evangelical that's put everything aside because the supreme court is important this is a big, big move for donald trump for them. >> what about what else you have seen in the first 12 days of this administration? are there -- i assume there are concerns you continue to have. >> yeah. several. let's take the muslim ban. when i heard that reported on the news and i saw president trump as he is signing it talking about a ban, i thought oh, my gosh. i was against the muslim ban. this is one of the things that i

thought was really horrible. how is this happening through executive order? this is horrible. then i watched it on the news and heard the media talk about it. and then i went and i read the executive order. it's not a ban. it's a pause. now it may turn into a ban. i don't know. it may turn into nothing. it's a pause. but what happened was i think president trump for some reason was calling it a ban maybe to throw a bone to the people that actually want a muslim ban. i don't know who those people are. and then the media picked it up and without reading it or knowing that it wasn't really a ban started calling it a ban. and then everybody started to march. and i will tell you, anderson, you've been in dangerous places in the world. and there comes a time when you can sense, hey, there is trouble coming. at some point there is trouble coming.

donald trump is a counter puncher. good or bad, like it or not, if you hit him back, he has said, i will hit you back twice as hard. people in the press are hitting him back. people on the street are hitting him back. i hit him back. he hits back twice as hard. we're escalating things. my question to the american people is how does this end? >> right. where does it go? >> we have to -- i feel like i'm a very old puffy matthew broderick in war game and i'm the computer maybe saying the only way to win is to not play the game. how do we not keep -- continue to escalate until we're killing each other? >> it's interesting though. i feel like this is a conversation you have and this is a thought process that you have been undertaking for a while now. you were very reflective of your own past comments and you have

talked about adding to divisiveness in some cases in the past. so i feel like this is kind of a continuation of that. do you have -- for you, what is the answer? because i know many people in the press say well, look, you have to stand up for facts. you have to point out what is true and what is not. i also think nobody should have a knee jerk negative response to anybody. i think you need to be fair above all things and in one's reporting and in one's government. >> anderson, i gave an interview to somebody this week and they said, can you name an honest, interlekt you'lly honest andly eastern i came up one name and it was yours. that was the response. i don't know enough people who are actually intellectually

honest and curious and will say this isn't a muslim ban. why are we running this story? to dekaes la deescalate things, you have to say what the truth s i also never heard anybody in the media say, you know what? there is some things that we did that were wrong. you know, one thing i talked to a number of people, former chiefs of staff, democrats, republicans, who talked about the difficulty of transitioning from campaigning to actually being president and being in the white house and governing. particularly for somebody like president trump who has not served in government previously, that transition, according to chiefs of staff in the past, for any candidates, it's a very difficult thing. and i'm wonldering how much of what you've been seeing, we've been seeing in the last 12 days is just part of a regular kind of realign menment and how much

something more? >> i don't -- i -- i'm not sure. i mine, i'm, again, feel compelled to express my concern about steve bannon. i think he's a very dangerous man. and is a -- is a self proclaimed l lenonnist that appreciates lennon's technique of burning everything down and destroying the system so can you rebuild another one. it's just politics, but each of us, each of us, and me included, have dwrgot to watch our words. we have to say, how do we de-escalate this. we have to understand that we're working with a counter puncher.

he's going to hit you harder than you hit him. the press has a profound responsibility to tell the truth and not politic or campaign or be viewed as an army or a service of one party. and to me, that means you almost have to overcorrect on some things, but not when it comes to the truth. >> well, i mean, i agree with you on that, and i do think it's very easy to get into a pattern in covering things, even if you're not in public life, just as a citizen watching things, to instantly have a knee jerk reaction, a negative knee jerk reaction. i think that's the easiest thing in the world to do, and all of us have to continually check ourselves, in looking at things with fresh eyes and unbiased eyes, and i think that's the most critical things for reporters to do. >> let's just keep our eye on things and try to be reasonable

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white house. the statement, mrs. trump will be moving to washington d.c., splitting her time between new york and d.c. in the meantime. she has taken the responsibilities of the role of first lady very seriously. she's going to go about her role in a pragmatic and thoughtful way that is unique to her. president trump's daughters what the one who traveled with him to dover air force base. more now on the first lady. >> congratulations mr. president. >> reporter: it's been 12 days since her husband was sworn in, and melania trump has yet to return to washington d.c. without her living under the same roof, the responsibilities of the first lady are in limbo. that means no white house tours and no appointed social secretary, there's no one to plan state dinners or the annual

easter egg roll. >> we must find better ways to honor and support the basic goodness of our children, especially in social media. >> reporter: mrs. trump says she plans to take on cyber bullying as first lady, but she has not yet announced a platform of causes or event or her washington callender. she has also not hired a full staff. in november, her husband told reporters that mrs. trump would delay their move to washington until 10 year old barron trump completes his school year. president trump said the first family would return to d.c. on weekends. but melania has not returned since the first sunday after president trump was sworn in, which is also their wedding

anniversary. on monday night, the paparazzi caught her running errands in new york. melania trump made few public appearances on the campaign trail, a decision she told anderson cooper was hers. >> they would have me on the trail all the time. they wish to have me there. but i made the decision. i will be a parent to our boy, to our child. >> reporter: she spoke at the republican national convention in august, where she was met with allegations she plagiarized part of her speech. >> he's also kind and fair and caring. this kindness is not always noted. but it is there for all to see. >> reporter: and she defended her husband when the "access hollywood" tapes were released, calling it "boy talk." >> i said to my husband that the language is unappropriate. it's not acceptable. i accept his apology. i hope the american people will

accept it as well. and it was many, many years ago. he's not the man that i know. >> reporter: she traveled to washington for the inauguration, looking every bit the first laid knee a jackie kennedy-inspired ensemble and gave brief remarks at the armed services ball, thanking attendees for their service. >> i'm honored to be our first lady. we will fight. we will win. and we will make america great again. >> and kate bennett joins me now. i understand there's new information about the first lady's transition to d.c. >> reporter: that's right. the first lady's office announced she has hired her first official staff member, lindsey reynolds, to be her chief of staff.

ms. reynolds say the ss she is g together a professional and highly experienced team, whichly take time. again, ms. reynolds is the first official hire. the first lady has yet to hire a communications person, a social secretary. there's still many, many open positions in the east wing. however, ms. reynolds says she plans to get the visitors' office up and running so tours can resume as quickly as possible. >> thank you very much. our breaking news on president trump's national security adviser michael flynn, telling iran that it's officially on notice. when you're close to the people you love, does psoriasis ever get in the way of a touching moment?

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