tv United Shades of America CNN February 4, 2017 9:00pm-10:01pm PST
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>> welcome to our viewers in the u.s. and around the world.in the i'm michael holmes. >> i'm lynda kinkade. it is midnight on the u.s. east coast and 5:00 a.m. in london. as we start this hour with breaking news in the u.s., the justice department is appealing to a federal judge's decision suspending president trump's travel ban order. >> now, this move coming as many airlines have begun to allow
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people from those seven blocked must lynne majority countries and refugees with valid visas to go to the u.s. meanwhile, protests against the president's policies broke out in several cities. >> this was the scene near palm beach, florida where he attended an event at his mar-a-lago estate. mr. trump told reporters his justice department would win its appeal. cnn jessica schneider is in palm beach, florida and has the latest on the demonstrations there. >> reporter: out here at mar-a-lago, a day of legal wranglings, a twitter tirade by president donald trump and also protesters. take a look at some of the remnants out here. at one point several hundred people making their march as close as they could get to mar-a-lago. a mostly peaceful protest, similar to the ones we have been seeing over the past two weeks and the past three weekends, these people wanting to get their message directly to the president or as close as they could get now that he's down here at what they're calling the
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winter white house. as far as president trump goes, he took to twitter numerous times over the day, sticking to his contention that his executive order as it pertains to that immigration ban was lawful, was constitutional, and even slamming the federal judge out in seattle several times. in fact, donald trump taking to twitter, i'll read you a few of his posts, saying, the judge opens up our country to potential terrorists and others that do not have our best interests at heart. bad people are very happy. and earlier in the day, president trump tweeting out this, the opinion of this so-called judge, which essentially takes law enforcement away from our country, is ridiculous and will be overturned. so in that case the president calling a federal judge a so-called judge, calling the ruling ridiculous. of course, this is fairly unprecedented for a sitting president to criticize a federal
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judge. we did see him do that when he was a candidate when he blasted the judge presiding over his university case. now the justice department has made the move and plans to appeal to the ninth circuit, trying to keep in place president trump's executive order, which has created a lot of chaos and confusion over the past week plus. jessica schneider, cnn, palm beach, florida. >> chaos and confusion. well, alan dershowitz is a professor ee mer tuesday at harvard law school, joining us via skype in miami beach, florida. always good to see you and get your expertise on this. how do you think this case will be argued, this appeal? how likely successful, the trump administration? >> there are 29 judges on the ninth circuit and three gets elected to hear a case. so we've playing judicial roulette. the court has some of the most liberal and most conservative judges and it depends on who is drawn in the wheel. the argument the government will
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make will be that these states don't have standing to object to the president's executive order, that the president's executive order is constitutional, and the president has authorized to make the kinds of judgment he made, and it is impossible to predict what the outcome will be. my own judgment is that part of the president's executive order is constitutional, part of it is unconstitutional. what is required is a calibrated nuanced approach to it. so far none of the courts have given it that kind of approach. the court in massachusetts said the whole statute is constitutional, the court in washington said the statute -- or that is the regulation -- is unconstitutional, and we're not clear what the end result is going to be. no one can predict its outcome. >> now, an, donald trump has attacked the judge who made this decision. he took to twitter and the president wrote, the judge opens up our country to terrorists. what did you make of this sort of attack from the commander in chief of the judicial system?
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>> first of all, anybody is free to criticize judges. i have criticized judges. i wrote a whole book called "supreme injustice" criticizing the supreme court for bush versus gore. it is the nature of criticism. president trump used words that seemed very injudicious, very likely to alienate some of the appellate judges who might sit on this, but these judges will decide the case on their merits. it is a closely divided case that reasonable people can disagree about. i think in the end the stay will be at least partly lifted because parts of the executive order are constitutional. i will give you an example. if you have a family of people in yemen who have never been to the united states, have no connection and they just want to have a visa and they're turned down, they have no standing. they would have no right to challenge that. on the other hand, if someone in the country attending university and their visa was revoked, they
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would have the opportunity to challenge that. so the regulation is partly constitutional, partly unconstitutional, and the courts have to give it careful, thoughtful consideration. >> i'm curious though. you know, so there's this appeal to that judge's decision. how does it work? can there be another peappeal o whatever decision comes out of the ninth circuit, could it end up at the supreme court and end up with a four-four time? >> it is likely it could be. that's what happened when proemproe president obama's immigration order was challenged. you have a federal judge in massachusetts that ruled in favor of trump, and it might be appealed and it could come to the supreme court at the same time. what happens if you have two
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four-four decisions, one which upholds and one which strikes down the regulation? this is a mess. the president can cure it if you withdraws the executive order and goes back to the drawing board and tries to draft it again, this time with the help of lawyers, experts, national security people, and i think we could get a decent executive order that protects us against terrorism but doesn't raise the kind of constitutional issues that this order does raise. >> u.s. presidents, of course, do have broad and sweeping power. is it rare for a district judge to make this sort of a ruling, a nationwide ruling on an executive action? >> it is rare, but it is not unprecedented. it happened exactly that way when a texas federal court struck down president obama's broad executive order regulating what happens to people who are in the country illegally and haven't committed crimes. we had similar decisions going
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to healthcare. so it is not -- it is not routine, but it has happened from time to time over our history. what's odd is for a stay to be granted so quickly based on so superficial an opinion. the judge's opinion in this case from washington is extremely superficial. it doesn't really go into the merits of the constitutional issues very well. he made a statement from the bench saying that this doesn't protect us at all. that's not the job of the judge. the judge isn't an expert in national security. the national security advisers are. i think we're seeing overbroad generalizations both from the president and from the judge. this is not the finest hour of american legal history from any point of view. >> and, you know, when you look at it -- i mean you've been doing this for decades. are you concerned about the speed with which a lot of these orders are coming out, that
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perhaps time has not been given, due consideration has not been given and we're just going to end up in this legal mine field over a variety of issues? >> i completely agree. this was done too hastily, it was done without consultation. it was done to satisfy a campaign promise rather than to protect the nation in a reasonable way. it could have been done more carefully, and it still can be done more carefully, and one hopes that perhaps the president will be advised and maybe will have second thoughts and decide to go back to the drawing board. we do need protection against terrorism. there is the possibility of terrorists coming through our visa programs, but we can deal with that problem without confronting problems under the protection clause, the first amendment relating to religion, and statutes. there's a statute on the books that says visa shall not be denied based on religion. so this can be done much, much more carefully in a calibrated
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and nuanced way and it can become a win-win. right now it is a lose-lose. right now we're not getting protection against terrorism. the airplanes are a mess. nobody knows what the outcome is going to be, the courts are divided. the president acted too hastily. this i not a good thing for americans or for peace or for the protection against terrorism or for the constitution. >> a lot of problems there. alan dershowitz. great to have your perspective on all of that. thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. all right. also on saturday, president trump telling fox news in a brand-new interview that he respect the russian president, vladimir putin. >> that's right. mr. trump acknowledged president putin may be a killer but added that we've got a lot of killers. take a listen. >> do you respect putin? >> i do respect him. >> do you? why? >> well, i respect a lot of people, but that doesn't mean i'm going to get along with them. he's a leader of his country. i say it is better to get along
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with russia than not. will i get along with him? i have no idea. >> he's a killer though. >> it is possible i won't. >> putin's a killer. >> we have loot a lot of killer. what, you think our country is so innocent? >> claire sebastian joins us from moscow. certainly interesting words from mr. trump. what did you make of them? >> yeah, lynda, it is not the first time we have heard it from mr. trump. it is the first time since he became president we heard had it, but what is so interesting about it from where i'm sitting here in moscow is it sounds a lot like some of the rhetoric we hear from the russian side, this kind of moral about equivalence, you know. putin made a speech back in 2014, for example, comparing what russia did in crimea to the u.s. and western actions in kosovo. we hear it all the time from the russian media, recently comparing protest around the
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u.s. election and the inauguration of donald trump to the midan up rising in ukraine that toppled that government there in 2014. so very interesting to be hearing that from a sitting u.s. president, particularly in a week when there's been a degree of confusion about how the u.s./russian relationship is going to pan out. you know, he says he respects mr. putin, but we heard from his united nations ambassador nikki haley condemning russian actions in ukraine, saying sanctions on russia would not be lifted until it returned crimea to ukraine. he said he doesn't know whether he will get along with mr. putin, but he certainly said he respect him. there's a certain confusion about how this relationship will proceed. >> and how is that playing out in russia? what are you seeing in the russian media? what is the feedback from the kremlin to -- not this interview perhaps, which hasn't sifted through, but maybe into the public domain there, but what do they make of nikki haley saying
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this, donald trump saying that? what's the feeling there? >> well, michael, the kremlin are keeping their cards quite close to their chest on this this week. they're trying not to overhype the messages we are getting out of washington, for example. the krem lan spokesman celling cnn a couple of days ago on his regular call with journalists that he didn't indulge, he said, in any degree of optimism that the u.s./russia you relationship would improve dramatically. he did say they were satisfied with the outcome of the conversation between mr. trump and mr. putin last weekend. as for the media, well, there is still -- we get the sense they're trying to draw out any positives that they can. certainly this morning reports of the trump comments to fox news, they glossed over certainly the word killers. as for the nikki haley comments earlier in the week, there was a lot of mention of the fact she did say that she still wanted to see an improved relationship between russia and the u.s., and
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they certainly touched on the fact that nikki haley and the russian ambassador to the united nations did meet separately again on friday in new york and did say that they planned to work together within -- under the auspices of the united nations. so, you know, they're not touching too much on the issue of mixed messages and they're certainly trying to draw any positives where they can, particularly in the media, michael. >> yeah, indeed. >> keep you busy there. >> yeah, keep you on for a bit, claire. thanks, claire sebastian in moscow. we will take a short break on the program. when we come back, much more on the trump administration's legal bid to uphold that travel ban after it was temporarily struck down on friday. >> plus how visa holders from the affected countries are reacting to the news that is u.s. borders are back open, even though things could change yet again. (vo) maybe it was here,
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♪ well, it is 9:18 p.m. on the u.s. west coast and we're live with breaking news on u.s. president's donald trump's travel ban. >> plenty to tell, too. the u.s. justice department set to appeal a judge's decision that has frozen mr. trump's immigration order as protests continue in cities across the country against the president's policies. about 1,000 demonstrators turned out in west palm beach in florida near where mr. trump is spending the weekend at his
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mar-a-lago resort. >> there were also a handful of donald trump supporters demonstrating there as well. and in a string of tweets on saturday the president blasted the judge who suspended the ban. at a red cross gala ball in palm beach he predicted his administration will win the legal battle. >> visa holders in the seven affected countries of course woke up to the news they could now go to the u.s., but they are being warned that changes could come. joining us now from i stand bul istanbul in turkey with reaction. heads must be spinning. they are in the u.s. >> absolutely, michael. there's a lot of confusion and it is similar to what happened last week when the executive order went into effect, that on saturday we spent the day reaching out to airlines around the world to see if they had received any update to these travel restrictions. it really took that entire day to see various airlines catching up to this change yet again
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where they were told now that valid visa holder from the seven countries were now allowed to travel again to the united states. but we really haven't seen that sort of rush to the airplane, people trying to get on planes because of this uncertainty. i think there's that realization that this is a legal battle that could take some time and that things are constantly changing as people have seen this past week. i mean this is not an easy journey for so many people. it takes a long time to get a u.s. visa. it is a costly trip for some to get these plane tickets to the united states. so people really don't want to risk it, so there is that wait-and-see, try and wait a bit and see if this decision hold, if there's more clarity on what is going to happen before people try and get on planes. so a lot of confusion and uncertainty really at this point, michael. >> a lot of confusion for those visa holders, but also a lot of -- i guess tense relations
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between some of the leaders of syria and iraq with the trump administration. obviously the u.s. does rely on help to battle isis. certainly that is -- those sort of relations are now under threat. >> well, listen, i think coming on an official line coming from the iraqui government, for example, they have asked the united states to reconsider the ban. they said they are going to look into measures they're going to take, but it is a give-and-take relationship. the iraqis need the united states as much as the united states needs iraq, and there's the realization on the official level. but on the street level when you talk to people, we are hearing the reaction coming out as our ben weederman has been reporting over the last week, people feel insulted because you hear about the travel ban where president trump is saying it is about
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stopping potential terrorists from coming into the united states. iraqis will tell you they have faced that terrorism for years now on a daily basis, and they feel for the past two-and-a-half years or so they have been fighting isis, they have been at the forefront of this fight against terrorism on behalf of the entire world. it is quite an insult for them to be as a nation branded as a potential terror threat to the united states. so a lot of people are feeling this way in this region, that you really cannot describe millions and tens of millions of people from all of these countries as a terror threat to the united states when they themselves are escaping in some cases, like iraq and syria, from terrorism, from wars in their country and are fighting it in their own countries too, lynda. >> yes, also not forgetting all of the translaters and others who working alongside americans who have put their lives at risk
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and are now caught up in this too as they try to get out with their families. got to leave it there. thanks so much. on duty for us in istanbul. >> joined by john phillips, cnn political commentator. john, good to have you with us. this is the third weekend of trump's presidency, the third weekend of protests. you are a trump supporter. what do you make of this opposition? >> reporter: well, the opposition, of course, didn't vote for him. they didn't like him in the first place and they still don't like him. so i'm not surprised by a lot of it. the people that did vote for donald trump i think are pretty happy with everything that's gone on so far. i'm sure that some people voted for him because they were captivated by his performance in "home alone 2:00" aii" but most voted because we wanted increased border control and
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extreme vetting and he is following through on promises in his campaign. >> what about the tweets, and we talked about this endlessly because he keeps tweeting things, in this case when it comes to the ban using the phrase, "they some-called judge." what do you make of that kind can of language? that's okay when you're a candidate and you're talking about -- as he did, a judge with hispanic background, but this is a federal judge, appointed by a republican and a member of the judiciary. it is not very presidential to be saying "so-called judge." what do you make of it? >> we're used to seeing fights that are partisan fights in the states where the democrats take on the republicans and vice versa. what we haven't seen in a while is a separation of powers. we have three co-equal branchs of government, and we see the president, the executive, fight with congress. we certainly saw a lot of that with barack obama and the republican congress. what we're seeing now are other battles that go on, and this is something that's been going on in this country from time immemorial where the courts real against the president and the
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president lashes out in some way. trump, of course, is more verbose and certainly has a better sense of humor in my estimation. >> they don't directly criticize judges though. >> oh, they do all the time. i mean they maybe don't do it on twitter the way trump did it, but judges have been getting under skins of presidents since we had the presidency. i'm not surprised to see he is lashes out at this judge. this judge will not have the final say. this will go to the ninth circuit court of appeals about on the west coast, which is a very liberal course. my guess is they'll probably affirm what this judge just did, and then they'll end up in the united states supreme court and they'll have the final say. >> i want to bring your attention to this magazine cover, this german magazine cover, which depicted the u.s. president chopping off the head, de heading the statue of liberty. on the front cover it says, "america first."
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now, the artist was a cuban immigrant to america back in the '80s. he describes this situation we're seeing as the beheading of democracy, beheading of a sacred symbol. what do you make of this depiction of the u.s. president? >> reporter: i think the left still hates him, and i think it is a mistake for them to go after him in the way that they're doing, because they did this with ronald reagan when ronald reagan was elected in the 1980s where they viciously attacked him, and they insulted his supporters. well, if you're looking to build a majority, if you're looking to win seats in the senate, win seats in the congre, w the presidency four years from now, you're not going to get there by insulting the people that voted for the guy that won. you have to convince them your side has the solutions, your side has the answers, and get them to subscribe to those beliefs. and what they're doing now is they're just lashing out in anger, and i'm sure it is cathartic for them, i'm sure it
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makes them feel good putting it on the cover of the magazine but it doesn't win votes and that's what counts. >> good to have you on. john phillips, cnn political commentator. thanks. short break. when we come back, new protests against president trump's travel ban. more on how the trump administration is defending that ban. that's when we come back. ♪ (woman vo) in march, my husband didn't recognize our grandson. (woman 2 vo) that's when moderate alzheimer's made me a caregiver. (avo) if their alzheimer's is getting worse, ask about once-a-day namzaric. namzaric is approved for moderate to severe alzheimer's disease in patients who are taking donepezil. it may improve cognition and overall function, and may slow the worsening of symptoms for a while. namzaric does not change the underlying disease progression. don't take if allergic to memantine, donepezil, piperidine, or any of the ingredients in namzaric. tell the doctor about any conditions; including heart, lung, bladder, kidney or liver problems, seizures, stomach ulcers, or procedures with anesthesia. serious side effects may occur, including muscle problems if given anesthesia;
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>> and live from atlanta, i'm michael holmes. >> hello. i'm lynda kinkade. thanks for being with us. let's get you caught up on breaking news. we are following new protests against the travel ban by u.s. president donald trump. >> a u.s. federal judge has suspended that ban nationwide, as we've been reporting, but now the u.s. department of justice is appealing that decision. in the meantime many airlines have begun to allow people from the the seven blocked muslim majority countries as well as refugees with valid visas to go to the u.s. >> is the legal director for the national immigration law center. she joins us live via skype from los angeles. certainly an interesting week legally for the trump administration. what do you make of the latest move to appeal this decision? >> well, i think, you know, the latest move was preannounced on twitter, i think, but i'm not surprised. this has certainly been a
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hallmark of the trump presidency since he was campaigning, that he wanted to implement a ban on muslims coming into the united states. but you in just one week's time we've seen not only a immediate and swift protests across the country but very serious decisions in multiple federal courts putting the breaks on this executive order. >> and it is one of the curious things i suppose about the system in the u.s. you do have multiple cases going on, an one court will rule one way and another one will rule another way as we saw in seattle and massachusetts as well. so where do you see this goes? do you think it is going to be a supreme court decision ultimately? >> i think with a program this big and certainly with what we have seen in terms of the judicial reaction thus far it is very likely that this case could end up before the united states supreme court. but i do think that the massachusetts decision is a bit of an outlier. what you have seen across the
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courts in one week's time is a serious checkmate on the president's executive order. >> of course, karen, as this legal wrangling goes on there are thousands of people caught up in the middle of it. initially the white house said only 109 people were affected by this action last weekend when it was enforced, but we're now learning that tens of thousands of people had their visas revoked. >> that's right. and that's one of the real problems with what's been going on in this situation, is the constantly shifting information coming from the federal government. so we had a situation last week after the first nationwide injunction was put in place where the department of homeland security said we're only holding 100 people, and then several days later they came out and said, oh, i'm sorry, it was more like 800 or 900. this lack of clarity on what the policy is and how broad its reach it is is part of the problem. >> what do you make of the argument so far, the argument put to the court in seattle that was ultimately successful, the
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arguments that no doubt will be put to the ninth circuit on appeal, what do you make of the arguments? which way do you think it will go? what are the valid points here? >> so, i should disclose i'm not an unbiassed source. i am counsel on the national immigration law center, and the first class action case filed in new york last saturday. i think the executive order is unconstitutional and illegal from top to bottom, so i ultimately think it will be struck down by the courts because it violates basic tenets under the constitution including the fact that the federal government is not to disfavor a particular religious group or favor another group. >> of course, their argument is that it is not a muslim ban. >> i think that both the words that have been spoken by the president himself as well as the text of the executive order belie that notion. >> the president, of course, has attacked the judge who made the decision in seattle, saying that
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this judge's decision will let in terrorists. what the you make of those tweets? >> and so-called judge as well, using that term. >> yeah. >> you know, look, as a lawyer, as someone who has the greatest respect for the judicial system and the rule of law, i disagree with certain judge's decisions all the time. but what is really important here is that we take the process through the courts. we may disagree at times, but there's no need to days agree with the judges. instead, what we're asking is that these cases be taken seriously, they get full consideration and we ask the courts to do what they do best, which is make tough calls on important questions to the american people. >> is there a danger in language like so-called judge, sort of delegitimizing if you like the judiciary? you have one branch of government really not -- it is not just criticism, is it, when you say-so called judge? >> you know, i don't think this
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fits the oval office personally. i think, again, we may disagree on policy, but what is at stake is something that affects hundreds of thousands of americans and their families, and we need to let the courts do their work and make sure it is swift and that we're not causing unconstitutional harm to people left and right. >> trump, of course, mr. trump cited 9/ 11 as a reason for signing this executive order, but as we've seen and all of the research pointed out, none of the countries on this ban list were implicated in that terrorist attack. >> the executive order is crude to the point of being absurd. it takes this basic principle under u.s. law that says we don't judge people by characteristics or don't say an entire group of people is suspect, and it really turns it on its head, and that is what is wrong here. you can cite 9/11 and raise the specter of fear in the american
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consciousness, but at the end of the day and stand in a court of law you have to have more evidence than that. when you target people based on where they are from and what they believe. >> what has been -- i mean you do have an interest in the case from one side of it. what has been the human impact from your own experience, the people that you've talked to? >> yeah, i was actually saying to my family earlier i felt like i had post-traumatic stress disorder the last week, from every single day, hour after hour, panicked phone calls from loved ones of, you know, their family members who were trapped outside of the country, trying to come back for an important family event, who did everything right, had legal paperwork from the united states, gone through all of their screening and can't come home for important family events, for needed medical procedures, don't their studies, and the human toll is real and it is very ugly.
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>> karen, can i get you to hang on for a minute because we have just gotten some news breaking into us here, and i would like to ask you about it in a moment, too. the u.s. justice department has now filed its appeal to immediately stay that u.s. district court judge's suspension of president donald trump's ban. i just got the note here, this appeal asking the ninth circuit for that immediate stay. now, in the filing the justice department argues that the district court ruling barring enforcement of the ban, quoting here now, contra veevenes the separation of powers, harms the public by thwarting an executive order issued by the nation's elected representative responsible for immigration matters and foreign affairs and second guesses the president's national security judgment about the quantum risk posed by the admission of certain classes of aliens and best means of
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minimizing that risk, certain classes of aliens being an important term used here. what do you make of the argument i just read? >> what i make of what you read is i would say two key responses, first and foremost. the president is not king. he too must abide by the u.s. constitution. when he takes steps, be they by executive order or directing his federal agencies to take certain courses of action, he will be held to account in the courts as the courts must do to the abide by the constitution. secondly, in terms of separation of powers, there are things in the executive order that violate the federal immigration laws. those are laws that were dutifully written and passed by congress. the president does not have the power with the stroke of his pen, by presidential fiat to override those. that is the basic notion of checks and balances under u.s. law. >> this statement cites the president's national security
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judgment. right along ever since he -- i guess he came up with this policy. he has been citing national security as an issue. just explain for us the vetting process that people coming to the united states go through. >> yeah, absolutely. i think this is really key, particularly, for example, with the u.s. refugee program which the executive order called a halt to across the board for anyone from any country. the the u.s. refugee system is considered one of the most secure in the world. it takes more than a year for individuals who are seeking refugee status outside of the united states to go through multiple layers of extensive security and criminal background ek charge checks. it is only after that time they're given permission on an individual basis to get refugee status and travel to the united states. of course that process would be secure, and it is. throwing it away for every single country in the world is
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beyond cruel. it makes a mockery of the duty that the united states has under its own law and international law to be a safe harbor for folks fleeing persecution in their home lands. >> karen, thank you so much. karen tumlin, legal director for national immigration law center. appreciate you sticking around and giving your thoughts as that news came in. >> great to have you with us. >> thank you. >> as we mentioned moments ago, the u.s. justice department has just filed its appeal of a judge's decision to suspend president trump's travel ban. we will have much more on that after this very short break. ♪ ♪ the highly advanced audi a4, with class-leading horsepower. go sensationally bold! new colorsensational loaded bolds from maybelline new york. loaded with hyper-color pigments for one-stroke intensity. honey nectar and a creamy feel.
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♪ and back now to our breaking news out of the u.s. the justice department has just filed an appeal of the federal judge's decision to block that travel ban affecting refugees and citizens in seven muslim majority countries. >> now, on saturday president donald trump attacked the federal judge who temporarily put a halt on the ban. one of several tweets said the judge opens up our country to potential troess and others that now have o-- do not have our bet interests at happy. very unhappy. >> a group of women who voted for donald trump say he is doing
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great things for the suchl. in fact, the only criticism they have so far is how he is being treated by the media and democrats. martin savidge with more. >> i was so elated i could hardly stand it. it was like the best christmas present i could have gotten. >> reporter: these arizona women love everything about president donald trump and can't understand it if you don't. >> if anybody in this country is against anything he said he's going to do, i really worry about their judgment. >> reporter: has he made any slip-ups, blunders, any mistakes in your mind? >> not at this point for me. >> reporter: the people he's surrounding himself with, the cabinet choices. >> great. >> incredible people, just incredible people. >> reporter: but some wonder is he moving too fast. >> no, he's going to move forward quickly because he's going to do exactly what he said he was going to do. i don't think he's moving fast at all. i say keep ongoing. >> reporter: they see nothing wrong with the president, but plenty wrong with everyone else, beginning with democratic opposition in congress.
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>> and i think that's a terrible thing that the left is doing to hold things up, and it is so purposeful. >> reporter: but doesn't it sound like what the republicans were doing during the obama administration? >> no, they showed up. >> no. >> reporter: how is it different? >> because she's right. they showed up. >> the democrats are not showing up. very rude, very rude. >> these people are not showing up for the vote. >> people really dislike him. i don't understand it because i love him, i love who he is, i love his transparency. >> reporter: speaking of transparency -- >> reporter: what about the tweeting, should that have stopped or should he control it? >> i love it. >> i love it. >> i love it, and you know what it does. it leaves you out. >> reporter: the you eileen is referring to is the mainstream media which the group blames for what they see as a non-stop barrage of negative news about the president. >> you push and you push and you don't back off. frankly, i'm fed up with it. >> reporter: it is not the only thing these trump voters are fed up with. they're also sick of the
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demonstrators who they say can't accept that hillary clinton lost. >> get over it, move on. let the man get to work and better our country. stop with the protests. >> reporter: speaking of moving on, what's with trump's seeming fixation on the inauguration crowd size? why is he bothered? >> i think it is better for him to defend himself, that's all. >> reporter: and what about the president's claim of wide-spread voter fraud for which he offered no proof and officials say didn't happen. >> reporter: do you believe president trump when he says he thinks there was several million votes cast illegally? >> yes, and i'm really glad that he's checking that system out. >> just like he's checking out the immigration problem. >> reporter: trump's immigration executive order is another issue these supporters see differently. seeing the move not as discriminatory but rather about safety for americans. >> you know, as a mother of four kids, i feel that it is the right of my children to grow up
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in a country where they feel safe. >> reporter: but what about refugee children now banned from reefg the safety of america? >> we lead with our emotions, this country's sunks. you can't lead with your emotions. >> reporter: it is not all gloom and doom. despite the differences they see, these women believe we can unite as take nation under president trump. in fact, they say we already did, for a brief period, inauguration day. >> it was just touching. >> reporter: it was very remarkable thing. >> it was a wonderful two or three hours. everybody was kind of like, yeah, this is a transfer of power, peaceful, this is how america is. >> reporter: martin savidge, cnn, tucson. >> stay wus. when we come back here on the program, why christians in iraq are not taking up president trump's offer to go to the united states, saying they would rather stay where they are. ♪ or plain water. and even though their dentures look clean, in reality they're not. if a denture were to be put under a microscope, we can see all the bacteria that still exists on the denture,
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preference to persecuted christians over other refugees trying to enter the u.s. but our ben wedeman spoke with crist yab in iraq saying they would refuse that offer. >> the kids at baghdad camp make do what they have. they fled their homes when isis took over. losing homes, businesses, almost everything they'd owned. you think they'd be rejoicing that trump would give preference to christian refugees. this family get by on an income from their simple shop. she isn't jumping at the offer. >> translator: -- >> reporter: i don't want to go abroad, she says. i love iraq, it's the country of our parents. camp residents have nailed crosses and iraqi flags to their
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temporary homes, eager to stress, they're iraqis first, christians second. some of the people here have been in this camp for the last two and a half years, it's a fairly bleak existence. but despite that, some of them say even given the chance as christians to move to the united states, they still wouldn't go there. her ex-husband shares her skepticism. let's say i went to america, what would i get out of it, he asks. no, let me live in my iraq and die in my iraq. before the u.s. invasion, almost a million and a half christians lived here. since then, as many as two-thirds have left. >> not only christians suffered, but also others, muslims.
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sunnis, shia, yazidi also. >> reporter: luis rafael is the catholic patriarch of babylon and leads the largest christian community in iraq. he's at pains to warn, giving preference to christians over muslims will only increase resentment. >> it doesn't matter they are christians. most are believers or not. they are human beings. so sectarian language is very bad. >> reporter: the faithful take communion at baghdad's st. joseph's church. the pews are emptier than before, a sense of loss haunts many who have seen loved ones leave never to return. >> wafa tuma thinks it's a good idea to stop all iraqis, regardless of religion from
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leaving. enough immigration, she says after the service. they shouldn't let our young people go. no one will be left here. the american president's words, cold comfort for a dwindling flock. ben wedeman, cnn, baghdad. we're going to have more breaking news coverage of the u.s. travel ban after the break. stay with us. justice is spelled b-o-x. say hello to a powerful tool that gives you options to fit your budget. ♪ oh, i'm tied to this chair! ♪ dun-dun-daaaa! i don't know that an insurance-themed comic book is what we're looking for. did i mention he can save people nearly $600? you haven't even heard my catchphrase. i'm all done with this guy. box him up. that's terrible.
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