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displayed open hostility to the rights of all americans. >> the senator will take her seat. >> senator's impugned the motives and conduct of our colleague from alabama. >> they can shut me up but can't change the truth. >> the vice president had to be called in to overcome the democrats' historic partisan logjam. >> problems on both sides of this ban. >> are you arguing that the president's decision in that regard is unreviewable? >> yes. >> we need to prove it was motivated in part by a desire to harm muslims. >> you either present it in the record or you don't. >> is cnn naek news? >> i don't think cnn is fake news. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to your new day. elizabeth warren, senator from massachusetts gets some beating on the senate floor from a seldom-used rule, rule 19 it's called. it happened during a contentious
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debate over the attorney general nominee jeff sessions. >> senator warren was cut off as she read a letter written decades ago by martin luther king's widow. this comes as president trump blasts democrats for obstruction. there's only a handful of nominees confirmed with nearly three weeks into the trump presidency. let's begin with sunlen serfaty live on capitol hill where at this hour, are the democrats still holding the senate floor? >> reporter: they are indeed, alisyn. it was an all-night talk-a-thon. it continues at this moment. democrats blasting senator sessions for attorney general. but it was really this remarkable moment, a very controversial moment between senator elizabeth warren and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell which signifies the hostile tone as the senate works to confirm donald trump's cabinet. >> senator has impugned the motives and conduct of our colleague from alabama.
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>> reporter: a stunning moment on the senate floor. >> i am surprised that the words of coretta scott king are not suitable for debate in the united states senate. >> reporter: democratic senator elizabeth warren formally silenced by her republican colleagues. >> the senator will take her seat. >> reporter: the incredibly rather dressing down stemming from this statement. >> mr. sessions has used the awesome power of his office to chill the free exercise of the vote by black citizens. >> reporter: warren quoting a scathing 1986 letter from martin luther king junior's widow opposing senator jeff sessions's failed nomination to a federal judgment to explain her opposition to his current bid to be attorney zblen the senator is advise $violation of rule 19 to impute to a senator or any senators any conduct unworthy of
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becoming a senator. >> reporter: arguing warren violated senate rules by demeaning a sitting senator. >> stated that a sitting senator is a disgrace to the department of justice. >> she was warned. she was given an explanation. nevertheless, she persisted. >> reporter: at issue, whether quoting coretta scott king should be exempted from the rules. >> i appeal the ruling of the chair. >> reporter: the senate voted strictly down party lines to reprimand warren, prohibiting her from speaking on the floor for the remainder of the sessions debate. >> the truth hurts, that's all the more reason to hear it. >> reporter: warren taking to social media continuing to read scott king's letter on facebook live and calling in to cnn. >> they can shut me up, but they can't change the truth. >> reporter: despite all these fireworks, the al kind of senator session's confirmation
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is not in question, he will face vote and be confirmed tonight as attorney general. last night betsy devos confirmed as education secretary with the historic tie-breaking vote by vice president pence. meantime, president trump getting impatient at the pace of all of this, calling democrats out overnight for slow walking many of these nominees. trump calling it, alisyn, a disgrace. >> sunlen, thank you for all that background. now to the legal battle over president trump's travel ban. a federal appeals court hearing oral arguments last evening. the judges focused on the limits of executive authority in cases of national security. cnn senior washington correspondent joe johns is live at the white house with more. what's the latest, joe? >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. here at the white house they are closely watching this case. a decision could come today. it could come tomorrow with the immediate fate of the president's travel ban hanging in the balance. three federal judges of the ninth circuit court of appeals
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grilling lawyers from the justice department and washington state in a hearing by phone tuesday night. both sides fighting back skepticism from the court. >> either you have the evidence presented in the record or you don't. >> reporter: the justice department attorney, august flynngy says the president has the authority to impose the travel ban without review causing national security. >> are you arguing that the president's decision in that regard is unreviewable? >> the -- yes. >> reporter: pushing back on the logic. >> could the president simply say in the order we're not going to let any muslims in? >> that's not what the order does here. >> could he do that? would anybody be able to challenge that? >> that's not what the order does here. >> flengy arguing his argument
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might not be working. >> i'm not sure i'm convincing the court. >> washington state's claim shows a direct intent to discrimination against muslims. >> i have a hard time understanding why we're supposed to infer religious an muss when the vast majority of muslims would not be affected as residents of those nations. >> your honor, the case law from this court and the supreme court is clear that to prove religious discrimination, we don't need to prove it harms only muslims or harms every muslim. we need to prove it was motivated in part by a desire to harm muslims. >> do i have to believe everything you allege and say, well, that must be right? that's not the standard. >> reporter: president trump continues defending his hastily implemented ban. >> some things are law and i'm all in favor of that. some things are common sense. this is common sense. >> reporter: while the president's new homeland security secretary told a house committee he regrets how the presidential order was rolled out. >> i should have delayed it just
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a bit so i could talk to members of congress, particularly the leadership of committees like this to prepare them for what was coming. >> reporter: not surprisingly, president trump keeping up the drum beat on twitter. his tweet this morning, if the u.s. does not win this case as it so obviously should, we can never have the security and safety to which we are entitled. chris and alisyn? >> joe, thank you very much. for more analysis let's bring in staff attorney at aclu, andre segura and dan stein, president of federation for american immigration reform. gentlemen, thank you. dan, let's start with a general proposition, because it did seem to play into the reckoning of the appellate judges of what are the motivations. you heard the judges bring that up a couple different ways. now, in context, the latest tweet from the president. do you have any concern about the president questioning the
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outcome of the ninth circuit as a play of politics? >> remember, donald trump is not an attorney, so he's not an officer of the court. he's entitled to express his opinion about whether he thinks judges are impartial or doing their job or properly looking at the issue from all sides. and whether that's actually a good strategy is, of course, another matter. as someone like myself being an officer of the court, criticizing the objectivity of judges is not a good litigation strategy. nevertheless, you have to take a look at the fact that the judges spent a lot of time on the procedural matters of standing and whether or not this is something reviewable by the court. if you listen to the questioning, judge clifton, the republican appointee, is going to probably want to overturn it. freeland is going to want to up hold it. this is speculative and dangerous. the carter appointee looked like he would probably want to dial
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it back because it's overbroad. >> let's leave the speculation alone then because we're not mind readers here. andre, the reason i'm asking this question as an introduction here is, yes, he's not an officer of the court, but he's president of the united states. the judges are spending time on what the president's inclinations are by doing this. that's why they spent a lot of time asking the department of justice counsel about something not in this order. the order does not say muslim anywhere, but they kept asking, could he ban all muslims? who could stop him? is there a clerk on what you say is plenary or complete authority on matters of national security. they didn't want to answer it because it's not in their order. eventually they said, yes, someone could question him. what do you make of that? >> i think the president's words matter. i think that's what the judges were after. they were questioning whether they can incorporate the intent and motivations that came all the way through the president's
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campaign for president and even until now, expressing a preference for christians over muslims which is expressly prohibited. the federal government had a very difficult time twisting themselves into knots to get out of the question of whether the president's authority here is unreviewable. they said, no, there are constitutional limitations. >> interesting, mr. stein. to your point about what their inclinations might be, i thought there are a little sign that this may be sell monic, they play split the baby here. they levied the same charge on both sides. they came at the doj saying where is your threat assessment? then they went at the washington state and said where is your proof it's a ban of muslims or muslims would be hurt? >> keep in mind washington state is having to defend an injunction that's far broader than they actually asked for. if you listen to purcell's argument, the solicitor general
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for the state, the establishment clause claim he's making is so broad he's trying to throw into question the whole refugee act of 1980 and the idea that in refugee admissions we can discriminate to protect particular religious minorities as a matter of international laugh. he's saying any effort to discriminate based on religion would be establishment. that's a lewd rouse proposition, whether it's protecting jews from the soviet union or kurds or yeaz zip difficult. >> but it's to protected, not to exclude from protection which is what you're doing now. >> to argue this is an establishment clause violation is clearly way off the wall. there's nothing about the president's executive order that clearly singles out muslims. the judge made this abundantly clear. you cannot make the case that this is a muslim ban. repeatedly over and over, the people making this argument are playing into the hands of isis at the expense of the
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president's really important need. >> both sides make the charge that the executive order is playing into isis' hands. to dan's point, let me get you to respond to this. the solicitor general made the point that the case law shows they don't have to prove it is a ban of all muslims, they have to prove it is in part motivated by an intention to ban muslims and pointing to the president's own words and the actions of rudy giuliani. what do you make of that? is that compelling? the judge said, so it's an allegation, you don't have anything better than that? >> i think it's difficult to predict from the judges' questions. they like to beat up on both sides. the case law is clear if there is the intent and motivation to preference religion disfavor a religion, the entire order can be struck down. simply because this discriminates only against a portion doesn't mean it's anymore lawful. discrimination that's not perfect is also unlawful. >> dan stein, a night that
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should have been spent bing watching terrible television was spent googling ninth circuit case law. they have a lot of developed law on what abuse of discretion, standard of review here for a tro means. do you believe this injunction by the district court was beyond the pale of any kind of reasonable action by the district court? >> chris, it was obviously overbroad. it was not supported by any cogent analysis about washington state's likelihood to succeed on the merits which is important here. the claims they're making are outlandish. basically they're saying anybody in washington state who wants to have somebody come into the country to either visit or speak at a university or pay tuition should have standing the challenge the president's denial of a cease is a. our immigration control apparatus can't function that way. courts historically have always stayed out of these political questions, whether it's going to war, national security, border control, border security. the president may get all kinds
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of advice from the state department. he's got lots of people who might disagree with him on policy, but as a constitutional and legal matter, this is committed to the president's discretion. >> fairness, quick, andre, let's get out of this. >> this is not entirely committed to the president's discretion. courts have been willing to look beyond purported reasons of national security. that's not a blank check for the president to do what he would like in terms of immigration. washingt >> segura and stein, there might be more litigation to come. we'll see what the ninth circuit says. thank you. alisyn? >> senator elizabeth warren silenced. did she go too far in her criticism of jeff sessions? we'll ask one of our democratic colleagues on the hill next. i've found a permanent escape from monotony. together, we are perfectly balanced, our senses awake, our hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden,
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another all-nighter in the senate. democrats continue to hold the floor. at this hour you're looking live, and they are holding it against president trump's cabinet nominees. last night senator elizabeth warren was dressed down by republicans because of her resistance to the ag nomination, jeff sessions. watch this. >> this is what it said. they are mothers, daughters, sisters, factors, sons and brothers -- >> president trump -- president trump. >> the senator has impugned the motives and conduct of our colleague from alabama as warned by the chair. senator warren, quote, said senator sessions has used the
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awesome power of his office to chill the free exercise of the vote by black citizens. i call the senator to order under the provision of rule 19. >> joining us is democratic congressman jim hines. good morning, congressman. >> good morning. >> was senator warren out of bounds to read a letter from coretta scott king in 1986 in trying to block jeff sessions as attorney general? >> can you imagine she's reading a letter by coretta scott king, the widow of martin luther king. she's not screaming, not having a temper tantrum, reading a historical document. and for reasons completely beyond my understanding, mitch mcconnell decides to, in a country that cherishes free speech decides to shut her down. i've got to tell you, alisyn, i can't tell you i understand all the ins and outs of the united states senate. i am, after all in the house of
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representatives. as a political matter, if mitch mcconnell wanted to further activate an already activated democratic wing, boy did he ever do that. >> she then took to facebook and had something like 2 million views which she would never have been if she had just been on c-span. that's the upside for you guys. mitch mcconnell says she was impugning the character of jeff sessions. should he be held for things he might have said 30 years ago? >> well, the whole point of a confirmation process, and you've watched a lot of these, alisyn, is to go back into historical record to see what people have said and done and what other people have said about what they've said and done. of course not. the whole confirmation process, and they'll do this with judge gorsuch as well, to go back to college, go back decades ago and see what the historical record says about this individual who is being offered a profoundly important post. look, at the end of the day, if the trump administration and the
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republicans in the last year have been characterized by one thing, it's been freight train politics. mitch mcconnell led the charge to design a supreme court seat without basis in dons tugs, to deny barack obama the constitutional right to put forward supreme court nominee, a travesty against the constitution. the president is down there writing executive orders that have caused judges al over this country to say oh, no, you won't and yet mitch mcconnell is offended by the reading of a letter by coretta scott king? >> is that what you're doing, taking a page from their obstructionism and that's how you're going to handle proceedings in washington? >> absolutely not. look where the democrats have stood up. they didn't make too much noise on any of the confirmations. they stood up against betsy devos. betsy devos who in her testimony showed she didn't begin to understand the first thing about federal education law and yet
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she's being offered the secretary of education. they raised hell on that one. i would suggest to you that that was pointed and that was justified. mattis, other nominations have not been obstructed. >> sort of. let me put up the list right now for our viewers at home. these are all the trump administration nominees that are still awaiting confirmation, and the list is long. look at all these faces. i know you don't have a screen there, but it is more than his two predecessors or in recent memory. it does feel like the democrats are slow rolling this. >> i'll leave it to you and to others to look at somebody like betsy devos and watch her testimony and to ask the question whether they think she's qualified for the highest education post in the land. barack obama, whatever you think of barack obama, there wasn't any concern that he had nominated unqualified people, but again, democrats are doing exactly what they're supposed to do which is, when there is a
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consensus around tillerson, around mattis, any number of nominees. it goes through. however, when they feel there is somebody in question, and jeff sessions, when you look at the historical records, there are questions that need to be asked about some of the actions he's taken. they're doing exactly what the constitution would have them do. >> let's talk about the travel ban. i know you oppose mr. trump's travel ban. last night, as you know, arguments for and against it were heard in front of these three federal judges. it did not sound, listening to the audio, as though the judges thought it was an open-and-shut case. what do you think of their responses? >> well, i'm probably not the right person to opine on the intricacies on appellate rulings and law. the appellate court will decide whether the federal judge was right in establishing a temporary restraining order. what i can tell you as a member of the house intelligence committee who spends most of his day on issues of national security and tracking and stopping and ending terrorists,
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what is absurd about this whole conversation is that this executive order which is being held up by the white house as a way to keep us safe, is exactly the opposite of that. it is not keeping us safe. none of the terrorist attacks that have occurred in the united states since 9/11 have been undertaken by refugees or immigrants from the seven countries named in the executive order. in fact, as we know, isis is using this as an example of the fact the united states collectively hates muslims. so all of this -- by the way, the administration has now lost two weeks, two weeks on something that the courts will decide but does not keep us one eye oat that safer which is heartening our enemies. >> congressman jim himes, thank you for joining us on "new day." >> thank you alisyn. a real barn burner last night. senator bernie sanders and ted cruz going at it in a cnn town hall about obamacare. this is going to be a huge
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battle going forward. is there any common ground? you get the bottom line next.
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former presidential
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candidates ted cruz and bernie sanders debating the future of obamacare in a prime time cnn town hall last night. senator cruz wants it entirely repealed, and senator sanders wants to guarantee health care for all. how did that go? cnn's suzanne malveaux is live in washington with the highlights. >> good morning, alisyn. as you can imagine, it was no ordinary town hall. with so much at stake for americans, the sparring and debate over obamacare, senator ted cruz saying president obama lied to americans about what they were getting. senator sanders defended the impact of the law for some 20 million americans. >> it was built on an etiface of lies. should congress move swiftly to repeople obamacare? absolutely. >> the absolute repeal of obamacare without improvements in it, without a plan to make it
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better, would be an absolute disaster. >> reporter: the two senators laying out sharply contrasting views of health care in america. >> what is a right is access to health care. what is a right is choosing your own doctor. >> go out and get really great health insurance program. oh, you can't do it because you can't afford it. that's what he's saying. access? you want to buy one of donald trump's mansions? you have access to do that as well. you can't afford $5 million? sorry. access doesn't mean a damn thing. >> reporter: the duo finding common ground. >> you know who is making out like gang busters, insurance companies and those in government whose solution is let's have more government control. >> i find myself in agreed with ted. he's right. >> reporter: but disagreeing on solutions. >> let's work together on medicare for all single payer program so we'll finally get private insurance companies out
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of our life. >> the answer is empower you, give you choices, lower prices, lower premiums, lower deductibles. >> cruz arguing that proposals to replace obamacare will continue to protect people with pre-existing conditions, a key tenet of the law. >> all of them prohibit insurance companies from canceling someone because they got sick. they prohibit insurance companies from jacking up the insurance rates because they got sick or injured. >> i cannot believe what you just said. it's a direct contradiction to everything you ran for president on. >> reporter: sanders also giving tough advice for the salon owner, feeling restricted by the law. >> how do i grow my business? how do i employ more americans without either raises the prices to my customers or lowering wages to my employees? >> i'm sorry. i think that in america today everybody should have health care. if you have more than 50 people, yes, you should be providing health insurance.
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>> as republicans are grumbling about how quickly they can repeal obamacare. president trump conceding replacing it won't happen immediately as he promised on the cain campaign trail, but it could take until next week to complete. >> so what is the future of the aca? let's get the bottom line with cnn senior political commentator and adviser to president obama, david axelrod. there are problems with that plan and there are problems with replacing it. how do you see the future? >> look, i think the republicans in congress and the president are confronting the reality that many of us who were there at the beginning know, the elements of the fraerk aaffordable care acte popular than the brand itself. the fact that pre-existing conditions are covered under this law. the fact that kids under 26 can get insurance, the fact that there are no more lifetime caps, so if you get seriously ill, you
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can't get thrown off your insurance. all these are popular elements of the plan, and not to mention the 22 million people who have coverage today who didn't before. here is the other reality. many of them are in the states that donald trump carried because this law works particularly well for low income working people. so they have a terrible dilemma here. they've promised for six years and president trump promised on the campaign trail to repeal the affordable care act. it's very difficult to do that and maintain these popular elements of the plan. so now they're holding this thing in their hands, this finally calibrated machine and realizing this could explode. they're trying to figure out how to defuse this. it's very, very complicated. >> you call it a finely calibrated machine. i think republicans would call it a house of cards. if you take one piece out, some of the rest of it collapses.
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for many people it is going well, but the numbers also suggest in 39 states the premiums have gone up. maybe they would have anyway, but that's not what people were promised. republicans feel they have to do something. do you think that there will be any political liability for it not happening on day one as promised, happening maybe two years in, but still people think, well, at least donald trump is working on it. >> you know, i think within the base there's restiveness particularly because activists, you've heard ted cruz say let's repeal it right away. i think most republicans realize the real risk is moving quickly and seeing the whole thing collapse and seeing a system that doesn't provide those benefits that the affordable care act provides. believe me, alisyn, they are weighing what the political risks are. they're very aware of the
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politics of this. if they thought the politics of this were better on the side of moving quickly, they would have moved quickly. they know now that's not the right way to go. >> let's change topics now. secretary kelly went before a senate hearing yesterday and said he should have rolled it out differently, he should have paused, with the travel ban. looks like he's jumping on the grenade. how did you see it? >> it's great to see a valiant old soldier fall on his sword. the fact is we now know from all the reports that's been done that general kelly wasn't fully consulted on this order, was taken by surprise by elements of this order and then was asked to implement this or defer. he did the white house a solid yesterday by appearing before this committee and taking responsibility for something for which he wasn't actually responsible. this was a debacle in terms of
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the planning and rollout of this order. one of the reasons was people like general kelly, general mattis, the state department, the justice department weren't fully consulted on it. it was a white house production and it flopped. >> still, david, in cya washington, d.c., there was something refreshing about seeing somebody say the buck stops here. >> absolutely. it was very admirable. it was very, very had mishl. i was really impressed by that. if the president has any sense, he would be impressed by it, too, because kelly took the hit for something he wasn't responsible for to protect the white house from the blame. that's part of the military ethic that he brings, that mattis brings. it's one of the reasons why there was some enthusiasm about their nominations to homeland security, to defense. it was an interesting -- i thought it was in lost in the shuffle of a very tumultuous
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day. i thought it was very interesting insight into who this guy is. >> ax, give us a quick bottom line on the perception versus reality with democrats obstructing these same nominees you're talking about right now. is this working for them? >> well, they didn't obstruct those nominees. it's very clear, and betsy devos proves it, that all his nominees are going to get confirmed. it seems to me what democrats are trying to do is slow down the process and shine a spotlight on some of the deficiencies they see in these nominees. i'm o as concerned as anybody about this pattern of mutually assured destruction that democrats and republicans in washington are locked in, but it's understandable given the relative relatively few levers they have that democrats are doing what they're doing. senator mcconnell is the strongest position, as congressman himes pointed out in
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your last half hour, not in the strongest position to lecture people on process, given what happened in the last eight years and particularly egregious to democrats is the way he handled the nomination or didn't handle the nomination of merrick garland, a highly qualified guy to the supreme court. there's a lot of raw feeling and there's no doubt that's some of it and the democratic base is demanding it. it's also a useful exercise for them on shining a light on people like betsy devos, who had a very lackluster hearing and has dubious credentials for the office she's now assumed. >> david axelrod, thank you for "the bottom line." >> okay, guys. thank you. we have an oscar nominee in studio. dev patel is up for best supporting actor for his roll in the film "lion." this incredible story and how it is true and how it inspired him next. support from onshore experts,
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time now for the five things to know for your new day. the senate is expected to vote on attorney general nominee jeff sessions, after elizabeth warren was silenced for impugning a colleague. federal appeals court could rule on president trump's travel ban. judges ask whether the ban unfairly targets people based on religion. state of emergency declared
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in louisiana after seven tornadoes ripped through the state. the community in eastern new orleans completely destroyed as you can see on your screen. no deaths were reported. iran pulling a lokt from a launch pad east of tehran. the rocket is believed to be, quote, dual use and may be used in ballistic missiles. and the zoo showing off the panda twins. the bother and sister showed off climbing trees and snugging with each other. they're super cute. thank goodness chris isn't here to impugn their character. for more on the five things to know, go to newdaycnn.com for the latest. one of this year's oscar nominees sharing an incredible story. dev patel stars in "lion." we'll talk about the movie and so much more. first, a marine veteran almost died after she contracted a flesh eating bacteria in 2015.
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the oscar nominated film is based on the true story of a man who got lost on a train at age 5. the movie stars dev patel as
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brylie. take a look. >> you need to face reality. >> what do you mean reality? do you have any idea knowing what it's like knowing my brother and mother spent every day of their lives looking for me? how every day my real brother screams my name? can you imagine the pain they must be in not knowing where i am. 25 years, 25! >> patel's performance earned him an as core nod for best supporting actor. only the third actor of indian decent to be nominated. good to have you here. >> thanks for having me. >> what a mind blowing movie. this 5-year-old falls asleep on the train, wakes up 2,000 miles away.
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he, of course, has no money, no cell phone, of course, no -- >> real education, really. >> to tell people who he is. >> he didn't know his family name. he didn't even know the actual name of his mother. he called her ami which in english translates to mom. so he was left on the streets to fend for himself, and kind of goes through a horrendous ordeal before he's given a second chance at life and is adopted out to australia. >> he remembers, he has flashes and he remembers he had this other life. then he sets off on this incredible endeavor to find that other life. it's not a spoiler for you to tell us, how did he do that? >> well, at the time it was ground break new technology, he used this app google earth which we're all very used to now. he used that to scour these pixels and basically search every corner of india to try to find his birth mother.
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>> that is so incredible. >> it's pretty out there. it's a crazy pitch. to think that this actually happened. it's beautiful. >> to think it happened is every parent's nightmare. it is mind blowing. the other crazy thing about it is that you somehow managed -- everybody, part of the movie, to turn it from this individual astonishing story to a universal story. what are the universal themes? >> really the script does the talking for you. at its core it's about unification, about people coming together and love and family and a love that can transcend continents, borders and race, all of those beautiful messages that are very important to be put out to the world right now. >> as the actor, i know you interacted with the real person. what is he like? >> he's such a beautiful man. i didn't get the opportunity to
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meet him when i first started filming. in fact, i shot the end of the movie first. i don't want to give anything away. when we went to tasmania we were shooting in a place called hobart. >> he was adopted by an australian family. not only did he wake up 2,000 miles away from his home. he then was adopted and moved to a different continent to australia. there you are with the real saru. >> there he is. he's so incredible. i felt like i had known him already. i had been prepping for eight months. i had been going around india, traveling the trains, visiting the orphanage he was put in. he's a very spiritually connected soulful young man. >> and not scored by his experience of this yearning and this displacement? >> you know, scarred would not be the word. without having to give any of the plot away.
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if you do see the film, you'll see there's a lot of coming to terms with certain situations in his life. it's still evolving. as a whole, he's a very happy individual. >> it's hard not to sort of see the overarching themes of our political world in this movie, particularly unification, the immigrant experience. is it right that you were returning on a flight to the u.s. as the travel ban -- president trump's travel ban was being imposed and implemented? >> yeah. i was shooting in a very remote location in india. i arrived to go straight into this award season hoopla and was -- received news of what was happening in the world, in the real world at that time. it was quite overwhelming, very sad. it's kind of a strange situation when you're walking a red carpet and at the same time people are
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out marching the streets because of so much strife in the air. quite confronting. >> did you see anything at the airport? was it clogged to get back in? >> no, not when i arrived in. as soon as i started working was when the real marching began. >> as someone of indian descent, what are your thoughts. >> i'm not an american. so i tread very carefully when i say this. i'm a product of immigrants, parents who came from nairobi and kenya, moved to london and raised these two children and have been nothing but in service of the country they live in and are completely proud to be british. i think the idea of accepting people and that kind of unity i
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talk about in this film is so important. the divisive nature of it terrifies me in a way. >> the oscars are two weeks away. >> yes. >> wishing you the best of luck. >> the movie again is "lion." what a remarkable movie and performance. thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. time now for cnn "newsroom" with poply harlow right after this short break. see you tomorrow. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me,
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