trump's crackdown on immigration and border security. >> if that border crossing goes? >> then the town, again, will be dead again. it would be hard. it would be very hard again. we wanted to go through again. >> it's a chance of taking this row boat to the other side that just might be the best $5 you'll ever spend. it's 3:00 eastern. i'm ana cabrera in new york. thank you for being here on a saturday. you're live in the cnn newsroom and we begin with the arrest of hundreds of immigrants in a string of raids across the u.s. immigration and customs enforcement agents known as ice agents targeting homes and businesses. half a dozen states this week. arresting at least 360 people. ice officials say these are part of routine enforcement, and many

of those arrested have violent criminal histories. the man overseeing ice, the new homeland security, john kelly, had this to say. >> well, first of all, they're not rounding anyone up. the people that ice apprehend are people who are illegal and then some. ice is executing the law. >> so fear is now rippling through immigrant communities. i want to talk about what's happening in california right now. protesters concerned about these raids, blocked an onramp to the 101 freeway in los angeles. >> up with the people, down with the ice. >> pushing for, quote, greater transparency about any future operations there and he wants to know the status of those

arrested. david mairm said it was the planning stages before the current administration issued the executive issue. so this apparently going back to the obama administration. and all comes as president trump is tripling down on his controversial travel ban, which would prevent people in seven muslim majority countries from entering the u.s. a federal appeals court kept the suspension of this ban in place, essentially upholding that court order from the federal judge, the district judge in washington state and now the president says he may just issue a brand new travel ban next week. let's go to athena jones, cnn's white house correspondent outside of the winter white house, so to speak, at president trump's resort in palm beach, florida. athena, what more are you learning about the president's next move on this issue? >> reporter: hi, ana. this is interesting. there's been a lot of speculation about what the administration would do to continue to try to enforce this ban through the courts, but the president when he came back to

the press cabin on the flight down here on air force one yesterday, he was ouring the first lady around because it was the first time melania trump was riding on air force one but he came back, asked a bunch of questions. i asked him about the immigration ban. he stressed that he thought the administration would ultimately be successful in any court fight, but that it could take a while, so they're discussing a lot of other options. take a listen to what else he had to say. >> the unfortunate part is that it takes time statutorily. but we'll win that battle. but we've got other options including filing a brand new order. could very well be. but i like to surprise you. we need speed for reasons of security, so it could very well be that we do that. >> reporter: so i don't know if you could hear the reporter who followed up, is that a brand new

plan? he said, i like to keep you in surprise but it could come monday or tuesday and not really committing either way and asked, what he might change in any new or rewritten executive order to make it, i guess, lawful and he said very little, which i thought was an interesting response and i asked about the new security measures he promised next week and then nothing more than what he said in the press except there will be extreme vetting and make sure people in the country are coming in for good reasons. ana? >> any questions left hanging out there. thank you, athena jones. now to the panel to discuss more. joining me, jd vance, a. scott bolden, chairman of the washington, dc party and alice stewart, republican strategist. a. scot to you first, what changes do you think he could make to the current order to have a stronger legal argument

and perhaps garner more public support? >> that's not clear. we have to see. we know before the ninth circuit, his lawyers offered a compromise which said it would eliminate anyone or would not k cover anyone who had been to the united states already. they could go to the ninth circuit or redraft the executive order but i could tell you, the state of washington as well as the ninth circuit and federal district judges are going to look harshly at it simply because of his political rhetoric. >> alice, i wonder if trump is too far down the road to walk this back. and issue a new order. he's been tweeting adamantly about this from day one, insulting judges who have been part of looking at this order. his latest tweet on this issue w was, we'll see you in court. do you think this is heading to the supreme court? >> it will be interesting to see what he actually does do but

seems as though the more prudent thing to do would be to sharpen up the pen and issue another executive order with a little bit, using more specifics with regard to the execution of it. and clearly, the law is on his side if you look at u.s. code 1182, the president does have the right to suspend entry of aliens into this country they deem to be detrimental to the united states, so he has that law on his side, but the questions we saw coming out of the three judge panel dealt more specifically with why these seven countries. what is it about these seven countries that were of concern and we all know that these were countries that were identified under the obama administration as countries of concern and the vetting procedures out of these countries are an area that need to be improved based on our security experts and those are things they just need to flush out. now, we have jeff sessions in as his position. i think we'll have a little bit better legal team moving forward and that should make a big

difference in executing a better suited executive order moving forward than the last one. >> i want to ask about what you said. you said it's quite obvious that more vetting needs to be done. what specifically isn't working right now? >> well, based on, we heard general kelly when he spoke to the committee, he said these seven countries don't work well with the united states and don't have the proper procedures in place. the placing. >> but we haven't seen any terrorist attacks by anybody from those countries. >> exactly, exactly. >> europe has. people from these seven countries have committed terrorist acts throughout europe and that's an important distinction. while they haven't done it here, thank goodness, they have. so i trust implicitly the officials during the obama administration that named these countries and the ones that continue to iech these countden countries now. and secretary kelly made it

quite clear that the policing of vetting process out of these countries is not up to par with what we want and what we need and they do want to continue keeping a closer look on it moving forward. >> guys, i want to pivot to these immigration raids. i know there's more to say on the travel ban. that's the idea behind it, the potential implications of it. but we start to see another consequence of the executive order on immigration. according to some who are saying these ice raids are another example of what the trump administration said it was going to do actually coming to fruition. jd, i want you to listen to what trump said about his plan to support undocumented immigrants when he was campaigning. we'll talk on the other side. >> are you going to have a massive deportation force? >> you're going to have a deportation force and you're going to do it humanely, inexpensively. >> out of their homes, how?

>> going back where they came. if they went to a certain country, they'll go back. they can come back, but they have to come back legally. they can come back, but they have to come back legally. >> so are we essentially seeing what mr. trump described then as a candidate happening now, jd? >> one of the things we obviously noticed on the campaign trail was that trump would say one thing one week and then 3 or 4 weeks later, actually amend his prior statement. so if you look at what the officials have said from trump kelly on down, the enforcement is on the folks that have not just come illegally but pose additional safety risk. what i find interesting is they actually aren't in compliance with some of the things that the trump administration has said that it wants to do. so either those priorities are not accurately stated by the administration or there's something about the reporting that isn't quite right and if you listen to kelly, his

argument is fundamentally secretary of dhs, general kelly, his argument is that these immigration raids were already planned but actually just implemented during the trump administration. >> and a. scott, ice officials have said just that, that these actions, one, are a routine and two, have been in the planning stages, really, for weeks since prior to the trump administration taking office and that it was, in fact, obama, when he was in the white house who initiated this effort. is there any reason to think these raids wouldn't be happening if someone else were in the white house? >> well, it's not clear, but let me say this. what we do know about these raids are is they're high profile, high visibility raids. i'm a former prosecutor. when we did sweeps for drug dealers, it's the same difference. you show force, you instill fear in immigration communities. donald trump and his administration know that the courts are going to be a big buffer on this, so with the existing laws, it's clear to me

in these targeted cities that not only are they showing a force, putting more resources behind it in a very public way, instilling fear and going to remove illegal immigrants, not just illegal felons who are immigrants because the difference between obama's charges and what trump is doing right now is that his ice efforts were targeted towards illegal felons and removing them from the country. here, i can tell you, any sweep or any raid may target illegal thereons b felons but they'll target other people who are here illegally. kid, families, individuals, women along the same elk because they're imperfect. because it's unclear what the policy is. what's clear is donald trump wants a sweeping raid and all illegals out of the country and under the definition of ice, if they're here illegally, they're criminals. >> i want to give you a little bit of information that we did

get from ice. this was on the raids that happened in the los angeles area in the last few days. 160 people were arrested in that area and to both of your points, jd and a. scott, a lot of the people arrested apparently did have criminal and violent histories and in fact, they say 95% or excuse me, 150 of the 160 people who were arrested in this raid had some violent past including child sex crimes, weapons charges, and assault. so those seem to be in the alignment with the obama priorities to remove that particular group of undocumented immigrants who are in the u.s., but alice, there is a story that's just generated a lot of fury over the past week and that's the story of the mother in arizona who was deported. she was brought here when she was a teenager and she which ch in annually. never committed a violent crime.

we do know she had a felony record for impersonation. abuse a fake social security number at one point. but a non-violent member that ice theeneeds to target? >> not when we have the magnitude of people like we have in the raid that was just executed. felons and convicted felons that ice tofocused on. >> why do you think she was u d pulled in now? >> there's a stricter enforcement on illegal immigration. she had a lifetime to get right with the law and she wasn't. it's sad and it's unfortunate, but at the end of the day, we are certainly a nation of immigrants, we are also a nation of laws and if it hasn't been enforced in the past, clearly, the new president is going to make sure that our immigration laws that we have on the books will be enforced moving forward.

>> we'll have to leave it there. thank you to all of you. still ahead here in the newsroom -- >> raw emotions boiling over at republican town halls and cities all across the u.s. but is this anger just the tip of the iceberg? we'll take you live to florida where constituents have questions for their congressmen there and later, the national security advisor appears to be in hot water over concerns he may have brought up russian sanctions when he and moscow's ambassador to the u.s. spoke before trump took office. how the president is reacting. we'll have more on that story as we continue here in the cnn newsroom. did you know 90% of couples disagree on

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tempers are flaring as people share concerns over the future of health care. listen to this from a town hall a short time ago in new port richey, florida. >> i would like to see the affordable care not replaced, but tweaked because there are good parts of it and not good. and i'd love to meet to share with you and had at least four patients since they were able to get insurance, come to me and one came with metastatic mel kn anoma. i was in pinellas county the day he took his last breath. i take my job very seriously.

there are no death panels. i know there are people who think there are. i have absolutely never had to make that decision with the patient. i did have one and i will tell a quick private story. a man whose wife had end stage rectal cancer, wife was in icu for 31 days and every day he came, she was clinically, she was on a trak, not treatable. and every day her husband said, i hate the government. i want to keep my wife alive to bankrupt obamacare. i cry every day, my husband will tell you. i cried for that woman because she would look at me and blink her eyes and say she was ready to go. she did finally pass a natural death, nobody excavated her. nobody made her die. her lungs filled with fluid and went into failure and could not be resuscitated.

my heart broke that day for our country, for patients and i just hope that we get some sanity back in this country and we start realizing that we need to care about people. we can't prevent end of life. we cannot prevent the tafact th some people can't be fixed and we need to work hard to provide good quality, affordable care to all. >> i've lived a long time. i had a wife who couldn't get insurance because of a preexisting condition. she's dead. so i'm not here to take anything away from people. i'm republican, i'm a conservative. but that doesn't mean i don't have a heart. >> cnn's boris sanchez was at that florida town hall. boris? >> reporter: several people i spoke with said they were hopeful that representative gus

was going to take their message and stories back to washington, at least one man i spoke to, a doctor shared some of the success stories of the affordable care act thought it was just for show. keep in mind, representative said he voted against the affordable care act before and voted to defund it just a few years ago, as a matter of fact. and though he does agree with several of the provisions within the aca, the people in the crowd were fighting for. namely, not denying folks insurance coverage based on preexisting conditions and allowing folks 26 or younger the ability to remain on parents' insurance. despite all of that, the vast majority of people in this crowd were very, very heated and angry over the potential repeal of the aca. he said that he was here fulfilling a commitment that he would listen to his constituents. >> boris sanchez reporting there. thank you so much. many of the places people most

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before the break, we showed you that anger that was shown toward a gop lawmaker over the

proposed repeal of the health care law. obamacare without a clear plan to replace it. what you heard at that florida town hall is being echoed across the country as republicans meet with their constituents. here's another look. >> this is what democracy looks like. >> have to have coverage to make sure i don't die. >> everyone here has had great points. we all want health care. >> already problems i have with the affordable health care act. there's a provision in there that anyone over the age of 74 has to go before what is effectively a death panel. yes, they do. yes, they do. >> i am 77 years old and i think it's unconscionable for this politician to tell me that at 74, i will be facing death

panel. wrong, wrong, wrong. >> if you'll be quiet and give me an opportunity, i'll speak, or would you rather just yell and scream and holler? is that what you want? okay. >> every american should have health care coverage, would you agree? okay. >> you're wrong. okay, children. all right, children. >> so a lot of that is what happened today in florida. jd vance the author of "hillbilly elegy" and from utah, tennessee this week. it's not just limited to florida. first, your reaction to the anger we see at those town halls? >> it reminds me of something someone said earlier on in the health care debate in 2009 which is once you grant an sbientitlet to health care, it's hard to

take it away legislatively. despite the fact people have concerns and reservations with obamacare, fundamentally, extended health care to a large number of people and those people don't want to see it go away and so the republican strategy has to be about not just taking the law away. it has to be about how do you reform it successfully and as they're finding out, it's a lot harder to do when you're the party in power and not just in opposition. >> they're talking about repealing obamacare all this time. >> it's obviously very hard to repeal a law of that magnitude and i think one of the issues that republicans are facing is that they can accomplish a lot of things through the budget reconciliation process that requires a simple majority in the senate but to make significant reforms to the american health care system, you need 60 votes in the senate and the simple fact is either they need to bring democrats along or they need to wait a couple of

years until they have more senators, but their current strategy, i think, reflects something that we saw during the 60 years in opposition which is it's easier to say no to things and more difficult to come to a consensus. i think as a matter of politics, they may well face some backlash if they're unable to enact a significant form of the health care law which is in the senate. >> come to me, and we'll go to jason chaffetz. utah, a predominantly republican state. i want to talk about this on the backside. >> do your job! do your job! >> you hear them chanting.

he said he doesn't read into what they're saying and believe the protesters are perhaps agitators and thinks they may simply be democrats upset over trump's win and hillary clinton's loss. now, as their representative as well, should he be valuing their input? >> well, he certainly should be and i don't doubt there's at least some retroactive anger, some folks just upset about the fact they lost the election but if you think about what jason chavts is saying there, it's similar to what some said about the tea party in 2009. they're a bunch of people the simple fact, there's real concerns about how we reform the american health care system. i felt obamacare had a lot of issues, but it did solve a very important problem of access and folks have got to realize that you're not going to be able to take health care away without really upsetting a lot of folks. the answer is not repealing

obamacare and not having a replacement. but actually doing something better than obamacare and reforms obamacare and unfortunately, if we get trapped in this debate about whether these folks are just upset about the fact they lost at the lexth, we're going to be missing a lot about policies the next few years. >> you're starting a non-profit to help battle the opioid issue. louisville handled 40 overdoses in one day recently, thursday. and the 22 in a day in january. so what's the number one thing, because i know this issue is important to you, what do you think can be done to help this crisis? >> well, i'm going to say there's a couple of things that have to happen. there is a health care access problem. a problem of how you treat people once they're addicted to these really terrible drugs. and unfortunately, we haven't

really figured that out in the state of ohio or anywhere else. it's really hard to treat people who have opioid addictions but it's something we've got to do and get better at it. there is an enforcement problem too. if you look at one of the biggest drivers, maybe the biggest driver of all of these overdose deaths, it's fentanyl. and it's coming through the southern border or through china and no matter how much you treat addiction effectively, if you continue have people taking drugs meant for rhinoceroses and el fanlts, you'll have a significant health problem. we have to deal with these really destructive chemical acts come into the communities in the first place. >> the first place though, people are getting addicted oftentimes prescription drugs coming out of the doctor's office that leads them to street drugs. jd vance, thank you for your thoughts there.

we appreciate it. >> thank you. up next, a major player in foreign policy plan. u.s. national security advisor michael flynn. now under fire over revelations he discussed u.s. sanctions with russia's ambassador and now new details about what he said and when next. you're live in the newsroom. baa baa black sheep,

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what to do about general michael flynn? that's a question swirling around washington this weekend. flynn is the president's national security advisor and no stranger to controversy but now he's facing more heat as we learn new details about what he said to the russian ambassador in a phone call before president trump's inauguration. flynn a former army three star general initially denied talking about sanctions with russia's m ambassador with a call after christmas. flynn can't rule out that sanctions came up in the

conversation. again, all this happening before he was officially on the white house staff. one major problem is this. the vice president went on tv in january and said, no way, that flynn did not talk about sanctions with that ambassador. cnn analyst kimberly dozier. how do we know flynn talked about sanctions? >> because of a "washington post" story this week that said intelligence officials have evidence he discussed with the russian ambassador the sanctions that the obama administration was just about to levee against moscow. at first, there was silence after the report but midway through yesterday, trump administration officials were telling reporters including me that the story was accurate, that he had discussed sanctions before the inauguration but discussed various items with so

many different ambassadors, he couldn't recall specifically this conversation and i heard from pence's office that flynn had not told him that he discussed sanctions and that is being shared publicly with reporters. to me, that's an ominous sign in washington, dc when the administration that is supposed to be protecting you is not guarding your flag and the other ominous sign is that republicans on capitol hill aren't saying anything at this point. >> josh, given flynn's experience in global security, in intelligence, and the fact that vice president pence questioned flynn about that phone call before he went on a sunday show and said, categorically, that flynn did not have any conversations about sanctions, do you believe he really doesn't remember if he talked about sanctions? >> well, i take him at his word he doesn't remember but that's a

problem in and of itself and i don't think that the problem for mike flynn is he talked to the russian ambassador or talked about sanctions. i mean, the trump administration's position on sanctions was well known. these conversations are pretty routine. but putting the vice president of the united states on tv to say something that turns out not to be true, that's a big problem. in this team of rivals they've got going on inside the trump white house. mike flynn is against some pretty powerful figures, talking about four star generals and former congressmen and chiefs of staff and he can't afford to be seen as the problem and that's really the issue. it's, you know, mike flynn is creating a situation whereby the credibility of the white house is going down and making it harder to roll back sanctions if he wanted to because now, no one will believe it. no matter what ends up being. >> you talk about the credibility issue here but the bottom line is there could be legal conditiosequences here.

there's this logan act. explain. >> the logan act says you're not allowed to interfere with the politics of the outgoing administration. but no one's ever been prosecuted under it, and i've asked various different lawyers and capitol hill specialists, who could bring some sortof charge under this act? and that's really not clear. what i think you could be seeing though that we could be headed for mike flynn testifying possibly on capitol hill to set the record straight and to take responsibility for this. i don't know if the republicans are ready to do that. it depends on if the transcript of this conversation gets leaked. it depends on how far did he go? did the ambassador just bring up the issue of sanctions and did flynn just say, hey, let's talk about that later? everything will be okay, or was it a much more serious and detailed conversation? i know that there are democrats

on the hill right now that want to find that out. >> that's one congressman who wants flynn fired over this. california democrat adam shiff said he can no longer serve. do you think his job is on the line? >> i don't think his job is objeon the line yet. i don't think it's enough to put his status into question, but as kim alluded to, what's going on in capitol hill is pretty serious and there's a bipartisan drive, not just democrats but republicans who want to put more sanctions on russia. they want to punish russia for interference in the election and make sure that the trump administration doesn't remove the sanctions for crimea and ukraine and this is the kind of thing you could see someone like senator armed services john mccain sink his teeth into because he's thin his own battl with the white house. this comes at the wrong time for the trump white house. it's really inconvenient and i agree with kim again. i don't think anyone will prosecute him under the logan act. the truth of the matter is these

type of interactions happen all the time. they've happened in previous administrations but puts everybody in a really tough spot and, you know, in this big battle to come over the u.s. policy over russia, this puts, this hurts their argument that they're not trying to give russia a bunch of concessions for no good reason. >> all right, thank you. coming up, a cnn exclusive. for the first time, u.s. investigators have now corroborated some of the details of t of the russian dossier. what has been confirmed, next, you're live in the "cnn newsroom." the garden patio will be gone. or you could push that button. [dong] [rocket launching] skip the bank, skip the waiting, and go completely online. get the confidence that comes from a secure, qualified mortgage approval in minutes. lift the burden of getting a home loan with rocket mortgage by quicken loans.

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official confirmation this weekend of some of the contents of that secret stack of documents that first became known back in january. the information in the dossier involves russian and other foreign officials on the highest level of american politics. at the time, the people who were about to enter the white house called the dossier fake and phony. details now about what officials have confirmed from our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. jim? >> reporter: the first time, investigators corroborated some of the communications detailed in the 35 page dossier compiled by a former british intelligence

agent. cnn was the first to report that president-elect donald trump and president barack obama were briefed on the existence of the memos prior to the inauguration. until now, u.s. officials said none of the content or allegations have been verified but now multiple current and local law enforcement and intelligence officials tell cnn that intelligence intercept of foreign nationals confirm some took place with the same individuals on the same days and from the same locations as detailed in the dossier. that corroboration based on intercepted communications has given u.s. intelligence and law enforcement, quote, greater confidence in the credibility of some aspects of the dossier. this as they continue to actively investigate its contents, these sources say. we should be clear that cnn has not confirmed the content of the calls or whether any of that content relates to then candidate trump and none of the newly learned information

relates to the salacious allegations of the dossier. for comment, sean spicer said, quote, we continue to be disgusted by cnn's fake news reporting. end quote. reached by cnn, spokesman for the fbi, and the office of the director of national intelligence had no comment. the dossier details about a dozen conversations between senior russian officials and other russian individuals. one thing the u.s. has is a collection of foreign call intercepts so that they use that information to seek to verify some of the alleged conversations as described in the dossier. u.s. intelligence officials emphasize the conversations they now verified were solely between foreign nationals including those tied to the russian government but some of the individuals involved in those intercepted communications were known to the u.s. intelligence community as, quote, heavily involved, collecting information dab damaging to hillary clinton and

helpful to donald trump. ana? >> all right, jim sciutto, thank you. not stopping doctors who worry about the special visa that allows some of them to practice. coming up, we'll hear from one of those doctors. >> when people are watching this at home and sitting with their families, think about other people's families and see what it feels to not be able to see your own children or grandchildren. turn away from the politics of it. just 10 seconds and think about it from people

president trump's controversial executive order would bar citizens of seven muslim-majority countries of entering the u.s., syria included. with that order in legal limbo, still, a pediatric doctor from syria says he's afraid he might be forced to leave his patients behind if he travels abroad and can't get back into the country. that's because he is here on a special j-1 visa waiver. which allows about 1500 international physician as year to temporarily live and work in underserved areas of the u.s. he lives in south dakota with his wife and young child. here's his story. >> south dakota is considered and underserved area where there's a shortage of

physicians, so that's why international physicians are welcome here. >> it's winter in sioux falls, south dakota. >> i was born and raised in damascus, syria. you went to medical school back home in damascus, graduated in 2008 and came to continue my education here in the united states. >> today this doctor is a pediatric endocrinologist, serving patients from north and south dakota, minnesota, iowa and nebraska. >> so i have patients who will travel hundreds of miles to come see me. there are many patients who i travel to go see. >> we also use airplanes to get physicians out into those rural communities when the distance is significant. >> but there's one place the doctor is hesitant toe fly to -- out of the u.s. to see relati relatives. president donald trump's executive order bars citizens from seven muslim countries,

including syria, to enter the united states with that order in limbo, the doctor is afraid he may be forced to leave his patients behind, if he travels abroad and can't get back into the u.s. because he's not a u.s. citizen. al nofal is here on a special j-1 visa waiver. specific, but important program that allows about 1500 international physicians each year to temporarily work in underserved areas of the country. >> he is significant to this part of the country, because he treats a lot of children who have type i diabetes and he is one of only five full time pediatric endocrinologists in north dakota and south dakota. >> what they did not consider is that this order is not going to just affect the people of the seven countries, it's going to affect people in the united states. people in rural america. >> in a comment to cnn money, the state department said exceptions to the travel and

visa ban could be issued on a case-by-case basis, if it is in the national interest. but they did not specify if a doctor shortage in a rural area would be considered. >> and that's what worries us. because we don't know what's going to happen in a year and a half or two years from now. if things don't work out, we might need to move outside the united states. >> for our family it really disappoints me that this was done. because it's teaching my son that people from these countries are threats. i don't want him growing up thinking that people from syria, his family are threats, because they're not. >> and still to come here, cnn's news room, fury, raw emotion, at republican town halls across the u.s. we'll take you live to florida where concerns over the future of obamacare are boiling over. you're live in the cnn news room.

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top of the hours, thanks for joining me, i'm ana cabrera in new york. you're live in the cnn newsroom. let's begin with the arrest of hundreds of undocumented immigrants in raids all throughout the u.s. immigrations and customs enforcement agents have launched operations in at least half a dozen states. 360 people have been taken into custody so far. some already deported. now this is the first major crackdown under president trump. who promised as a candidate to deport millions of undocumented immigrants. and it is sending fear rippling through immigrant communities. i.c.e. officials insist these raids are just part of routine enforcement. here's new homeland security secretary john kelly. >> well first of all we're not rounding anyone up. th