this is gps. the global public score. welcome to you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. we'll start with a tough week for president trump's foreign policy. the travel ban stuck in court. russia, new complications there. that outreach to taiwan reversed. what is going on? i have a great panel to discuss. then, is that ban legal? is it constitutional? we have two great legal minds to explain. but first, here's my take.

maybe it's just me, but a few weeks into the trump presidency between the tweets, executive orders, attacks, counter attacks, i'm feeling dissy. so i've tried to find the signal. what is the underlying philosophy of this administration? if there is an idealologist for the trump era it is stephen bannon, the second most powerful man in the federal government. he is intelligent, broadly read and has a command of american history. i've seen his many movies and speeches and in these he does not come across as a racist or white supremacist as many people have charged but he is an unusual conservative. we have gotten used to the idea of conservatives as economic libertarians but bannon represents an older school of european conservative thought

that is distrustful of free markets determined to preserve traditional culture, religion and celebrates nationalism and martial values. at the political conference in 2012 he explained his disgust for mitt romney and admiration for sarah palin whose older son had served in iraq. listen in. >> he's got five sons and not one has served a day in the military. and he wants to be commander in chief. he will not be my commander in chief. >> the core of bannon's word view can be found in "generation zero." it centers on 2008 of the financial crisis that happened because of a larger moral crisis. the film blames the 1960's and the baby boomers who tore down structures of society and created a culture of narcissism. how did woodstock trigger a

financial crisis four decades later? according to bannon, the breakdown of old fashioned values created a culture of self centerness that measured money. a more accurate version of recent american history might be that there was a cultural shift that began in the 1960's but was fueled by a powerful deeply american force individualism. america had always been highly individualistic, bannon and trump by the way seemed nostalgic for an age from the 1930's that was actually an aberration for the nation. the great depression, the new deal, world war ii had created a collectivist impulse that transformed the country but after a while, americans began to reassert their age old desire for personal freedom, individual fulfill. >> and advancement.

the america that allowed individuals to flourish in the 1980's and '90s was the place where the young and enterprising stevphen bannon left a large bak to make a small fortune and allowed him to produce and distribute movies outside of the hollywood establishment, build a media startup into a new powerhouse and become a political entrepreneur entirely outside of the republican hierarchy. this america allowed bannon's brash new boss to get out of queens and into manhattan, build skyscrapers and also his name brand all the while horrifying the establishment. donald trump is surely the poster child for the idea of a culture of narcissism. >> i think i have the best temperament. >> in the course of building their careers, trump and bannon discarded traditionalism in every way. both men are divorced. they have succeeded in achieving

their dreams precisely because society was wide open to outsiders. breaking traditional morality did not sigmatize. their stories are the stories of modern america. but their message to the country seems to be an older more familiar one, do as i say, not as i do. for more, go to cnn.com/fareed and read my washington post column this week. let's get started. ♪ on saturday night as president trump and japanese prime minister abe were at trump's florida home, the north koreans were launching a ballistic missile. a launch meant as a provocation and a violation of the united

nation's security council resolutions. what should the united states do and what can it do? i'm joined by ceo and president ann marie slaughter. and the president of council on foreign relations who held the same position during george w. bush's first time. he is the author of "a world in disarray." richard, when trump met obama that first meeting at the white house, it was -- trump i think said obama talked to me about something very important and urgent. i can't tell anyone what it was. well, it turns out we learned from reporting it was the north korea was likely to do a ballistic test. now it's happened. why is this important? they have done several. what does this one mean? >> this test in and of itself isn't important. it's north korea's version of station identification wanting

to remind the world it's there. sooner or later probably on donald trump's watch north korea will get good enough at ballistic missile technology and marry it with the nuclear weapons they have and they will be able to threaten the united states with a nuclear strike. >> just to explain, right now they have the missile and the next thing is to take the nuclear weapon and put it on the missile. >> right and have the missiles of sufficient range and accuracy. they're a couple of years away. that's just an estimate. if anyone wanted an example of a world in disarray, this is it. this is a medium size power but it's a real power. it's got all the conventional military arms and now it has this. it's very difficult for the world to contain it. the question is what do we do? and we're moving towards where we get the chinese onboard and increase the pressure on them through sanctions and the chinese are in the position to do it or mr. trump is going to

have to face a truly fateful decision about whether we're prepared to that, a north korea that has that capability or we're going to use military force one way or another to destroy their nuclear missile capabilities. that would be a consequential decision either way. >> this is way beyond iran because it has actually nuclear weapons and missile technology. the problem is that the chinese are too worried that if they push the north koreans hard, the country will collapse, they'll be flooded with refugees, there'll probably be a korean unification. isn't that right? is that's why they're he sitant to do much more. >> they're hesitant but we knew this was coming. most predicted north korea would challenge trump very soon. he did it right when prime

minister abe was visiting with trump. what's important here are two things. one, secretary clinton called for a tougher north korea policy. there is a tougher policy. we can impose much more personal sanctions that strike at the heart of the actual north korean regime. china doesn't want that but it has been effective. the question is whether trump will use this to get a tougher policy but equally important, this is our first chance to see what happens when trump has said not going to happen, he's going to escalate this, they're likely to escalate. we're either going to see a kind of war of words and diplomatic solution or we could see something that really is more of a dangerous kind of escalation and it's not quite clear what trump will do. >> first of all, you don't think it's a bigger problem. i think this is the biggest national security problem facing the united states. >> you said it was station identification. >> no. the missile test is.

the north korean missile challenge is the biggest security challenge facing us. current policy has not worked. will china do something? we can try to reassure them about the political complexion of a korean peninsula. i don't know if that will be enough. we can threaten them with missile defenses, greater nuclear presence. i don't know. we have got to bring japan and south korea onboard. >> let me suggest is it possible that we need to do something much more dramatic in the sense that as you said, we have to reassure them. do we have to tell them, look, if you push the north koreans and the regime collapses, we -- what they're worried about is a unified korea which has 30,000 american troops, a treaty with the united states and nuclear weapons all on their border. >> most of the need for that disappears. you don't need the number or

kind of troops you have now or up against the 38th parallel. we should be committed to nuclearize the korean peninsula. i simply don't know whether that would be enough to get them to use their economic leverage. >> i got to move on. mike flynn, is he in hot water with these reports that he not only talked about potential lifting sanctions but seems to have misled the vice president-elect at the time? >> he's clearly in hot water. it's a boon for the democrats who are beating him up and to know that he's talking to the russians saying don't worry about obama's sanctions, things can be reviewed. what will happen, i think, is more a function of internal white house politics than external. this has happened before. it's impossible to think that the reagan administration wasn't talking to iran over hostages

back in 1979. >> that piece is not. it's misleading to vice president and the american public. >> yes. but also -- >> and this point was made. >> i think that's true but it's a question of who steve bannon would prefer to have in that position, whether or not if you get a replacement that's going to royal white house politics, too. >> a quick thought about this does prove there's something strange about russia. trump basically doesn't like any other foreign country except russia. >> that's the most interesting part. beyond the white house, beyond the logan act is why is russia singled out for consistently benign treatment but at the same time we have the new u.s. representative at the u.n. taking a line towards russia. we're beginning to see here as we're seeing across the board a tension between and candidate 

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and we are back with richard hossen. when trump was a candidate he says he's going to tear up the iran deal, he's going to move the embassy to jerusalem. it seems it's clear none of that will happen. you wrote an op-ed in the wall street journal urging him to do none of those things. do you think he read the article? >> i think there's a better chance he read the article than my book. it's good news. this is good news. it's the difference between

campaigning and governing and the fact he didn't do these three things and hasn't done some others that would have added to an overflowing in-box. life is pretty tough. and the fact that he hasn't added to it by taking these policies, we talked about north korea, the idea of trying to work with north korea at the same time you threaten the china policy, good luck with that. i'm relieved to see donald trump is not making good on his campaign utter answers. >> taiwan is odd. he makes the overture to taiwan and everybody says maybe this is the brilliant negotiator. but then he gives it up without getting anything in return and the implication clearly was from trump's own tweets he was going to get something on trade, on jobs. and the chinese just said there will be no contact until he

reverses himself on this and then he did. >> i think part is, you know, the narrative between his tweets and his statements and what actually happens is the gap is widening and he's assuming people won't actually notice what's actually happening, at least the people to whom he's tweeting. but yeah, he lost that round. you know, china said nothing he needs to talk to china. he needed to talk to china before prime minister abe came because that's a big issue with japan. i agree with richard, the people who said nope, he's going to run one way and govern another, thus far, that looks like what's happening. >> part of it i assume is the reassertion of the departments. white house gets staffed first. the departments are getting staff later. initially the white house makes all the announcements. but i'm still struck by the fact that the state department doesn't have a deputy. the defense department doesn't. what are you hearing about the disarray? >> there isn't a trump

administration yet when it comes to national security or foreign policy. i'm not sure how much this is the pushback of the departments because the departments don't really exist. he's talking to people on the outside. he's also talking to foreign leaders. he just had prime minister abe here. he's talking to the henry kissen jers of the world and getting a sense of realism and there's connections. when you campaign you choose every issue, you can be a purist. you can campaign in poetry but now you got to govern in pros and part of that is seeing the connections. i think reality is coming to this administration and they're realizing they can't do everything they said they wanted even though it resonated well during the election. >> except i do think the muslim ban woke up general kelly and rex tillerson and general mattis as wait a minute that was badly handled and i do think there are stories that general kelly said i don't report to steve bannon, i report to the president.

at least they were woken up on one to one, not the department, i agree with richard, there's no administration. >> on the iran -- on the travel ban, i assume this must have complicated things with the iraqi government. >> are iraqi government now and future. how are we going to get people to work with us if we make pledges? this deals with iraq and deals with the entire business of american intelligence, working with local citizens in hazardous situations. we have got to make good on our word or the kinds of things mr. trump promoted will not make us safer. we have got to be good to those who have put their lives on the line to help americans. >> final thought? >> well, the other thing is we're handing an absolute gift to terrorist recruiters. all you have to do is now point

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see you in court. the security of our nation is at stake. that was president trump's tweet on thursday after a three judge panel ruled against reinstating the president's travel ban. the white house has given indications it won't immediately appeal to the supreme court. both the ban and the panel's decision have come under some criticism. why? well, joining me here in new york is former attorney general of the united states at the end of the george w. bush administration and outside boston, the professor of constitutional law at harvard.

he received tenure there at the age of 30 and has argued 35 cases before the supreme court. lawrence, let me ask you summarize the ninth circuit's decision. what can we make of it? >> well, the ninth circuit carefully and unanimously held that the decision of the district court that put the ban on hold until a full hearing could be held and until its serious legal flaws could be examined, that decision was a defeat for the administration and a victory for the rule of law because the administration after issuing a ban that was a thinly disguised form of religious discrimination and offering justifications for it that just didn't pan out in the hearing before the ninth circuit, essentially was sending a signal to muslims all over the

world and the united states that they're not welcome here and as your guest in the last segment, richard and ann marie indicated far from protecting us from terror, that made it harder for us to work with countries like iraq and became an advertisement for isis recruiting. i think we're much better off now that that ban has been stayed and is not going to quickly be reinstated. >> but let me ask you the specific question, all that may be unwise, why is it unconstitutional. why does the president not have the authority to do something that might be bad foreign policy? >> well, of course, what makes it unconstitutional is not symptimply that it's bad foreig policy. it's the first amendment to the constitution which says the government cannot draw religious lines and this was a religious

line if ever there was one. their argument that not all muslims are being excluded and discriminated against, it's like saying that if only a few jews are a subject of a ban that only hits jews than it's perfectly all right, there are some not hurt. in fact, the u.s. supreme court in a case from kentucky in 2005 made clear that in judging whether something is a form of religious gerrymandering you look not only at the people who are favored like in section 5 of this ban the christian minorities of these countries are favored but you also look at the context, history, statements made surrounding the ban and this couldn't be an easier case from that perspective. donald trump campaigned on an anti-muslim slogan saying he was

going to leave all muslims out and having been told he couldn't do that he asked mayor giuliani to put lipstick on the pig and what we end up with is still a pig. >> what do you make? >> it was wrong with every count to represent the rights of people who have no rights who have no connection to this country. what they said, what the ninth circuit said was if the states, the universities and so on made arrangements with students or lectures to come here then they had a third party right to defend the rights of those people. that assumed those people have the right to come here in the first place. the universities cannot confer rights on aliens and there was no right that was conferred here.

it may be that lawful permanent residents have a right to be here and that visa holders have a right but those could have been carved out. the ninth circuit court refused to do that. there was a question as whether it was properly based, there's a statute that defines the president's authority to do this. not only wasn't it distinguished, it wasn't discussed or mentioned in the opinion. whenever the president finds the entry of any aliens or class of aliens into the united states would be detrimental to the united states shall be necessary to suspend any class of aliens as immigrants or impose on the entry any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. >> what about the 1965 immigration act which says you cannot discriminate on people on the basis of national origin? >> it's entirely consistent with that. this was not a discrimination on

the basis of national origin, it was on the basis of countries that are failed states. >> isn't that national origin? >> no. it is not a blanket ban. what the statute bans is discrimination, i.e., drawing a distinction that has no basis and fact. if it has a basis and fact you come from a failed state, that's perfectly permissible. >> you think this is -- the decision was wrong and you think it would be reversed by the supreme court? >> that's a whole different matter. as i understand it, what they're doing now is redrafting the statute to carve out lawful permanent residents and visa holders. i don't know that that's precisely what they're doing but there is talk of redrafting the order and then possibly going back either in a case out of this circuit or another circuit where the decision went the other way or other circuits where it might go the other way.

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and we are back with michael and larry. larry, let me ask you, michael says whatever you think of the decision and i should point out that michael had written an article against a muslim ban during the campaign, it's clear that this is a core authority that the president has. this is foreign policy. courts don't have a role. >> courts do have a role, they have exercised it 17 times at least in their history. although i respect the former attorney general. he was wrong on every count. he said that the ninth circuit didn't refer to the statutory authority. it did. it cited it on page 4.

but statutes are subordinate to the constitution and the former attorney general said not one word to respond to the arguments that have been made and that i repeated earlier about why this is a form of religious discrimination and his idea that the states don't have standing is kind of funny because i think he was in favor of texas having standing to attack president obama's immigration order even though it's only injury was having to pay for some drivers' licenses. i think he's wrong in every respect. he was a better attorney general than he is a constitutional lawyer. >> michael, talk about this issue that larry mentioned which is if you have all the surrounding literature, trump's speeches, the original muslim ban, the supreme court has in the past as i understand it, it has said that's all relevant because we're trying to figure out whether the intent here is

to discriminate on the basis of religion. >> sure. the rhetoric that was quoted from mr. trump, i think, what he was talking about was protecting the country against terrorist attacks. he was not talking about the practice of islam but rather about an extreme version of islam. so it was in his mind a safety issue, not a religious issue and the fact is that they chose only states that were failed states that had been listed in a list of states that were -- >> iran is a highly competent -- iran is the exact opposite. >> right. >> and functions very aggressively. >> and they have. that makes my point. they have -- they have terrorist designs on the united states. they say the united states is the great satan they want to destroy. those are the kinds of states -- >> we can't have it both ways. there is actually no iran who has committed a terrorist act in the united states. >> iran has financed terrorism

all over the world. >> the legal issue, is he right if you can show -- because it's not just the ban was against all muslims, not just extreme or radical. i'm saying in the campaign. >> in the campaign, as you pointed out, i wrote an article saying that was ridiculous. >> is that evidence? >> no, it's not. he was talking about the safety of the united states to present terrorist attacks, not discriminating against the muslim religion. i think it's pretty clear even in the extreme statements he made during the campaign. in fairness. but, the notion that somehow this is the business of courts is just false. the ninth circuit said that there's no precedent to support the claim this was not reviewable. which runs contrary to the fundamental structure of our constitutional democracy and you can see the announcers break out in goosebumps when they read that. there's plenty of authority

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on wednesday israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu will meet with donald trump in washington. surely among the topics they will discuss is trump's intention to move the u.s. embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem. why this is a big deal, a little history. in 1949 negotiators drew a green

line that divided jerusalem in two. israel controlled the west, jordan, the east. it was so divided until 1967 when israel began to occupy the east during the six-day war. in 1980 israel declared jerusalem to be the capital of the country. the u.n. passed a resolution declaring their actions illegal and calling for embassies to be withdrawn from jerusalem. there are currently no embassies in that holy city. zero. so what would happen in the arab world if the united states moved its embassy to jerusalem? joining me is professor of modern arab studies at colombia university. what would happen? >> well, in the arab world it would be a huge embarrassment for allies of the united states and israel countries like jordan and egypt that had peace treaties with israel and the emrats that have close but covert relationships with

israel. the moving of the embassy would be seen in the arab world as a very unfriendly act. >> why? to explain to somebody why would -- look, it is israel's capital, are they right in saying this has been our functioning capital, every other country in the world, the functioning capital is where the embassies are? >> even before the bit you mentioned in the leadup to this, in 1947 united nations when it gave legitimacy to the idea of a jewish state and arab state said jerusalem had to be a separate entity. other countries said until there is a final status resolution of the question of jerusalem nobody should change the status including moving embassies, proclaiming a capital. building settlements. there are 200,000 israelis lives there today. in the eyes of the world every country in the world are illegal

until and unless israel and the palestinians come to terms over jerusalem. >> jerusalem is special but it has religious significance. >> right. >> both to the three religions and it should have some kind of special status and in the context of the two state solution, you don't want to create facts on the ground. >> exactly. >> that make it impossible to have negotiations -- >> which preempt or prejudice a possible outcome of a negotiation and israel has been moving the sign posts in the occupied territories in jerusalem since '67. and american administrations up until this one have always resisted that in word at least, saying we don't accept these things. >> what would really happen? i mean arab countries are powerless compared to israel. what are they going to do? >> it would destabilize a country like jordan. many of whose population including east bank jordanians

believe their country rolls over in front of israelis. >> there would have -- >> there would be instability in the occupied territories which would worry the jordanians. that always concerns them and it should concern the israelis. their security services are not in favor because they know it will create trouble. >> you think benjamin netanyahu might say cool it, don't do this? >> possibly. i'm sure the state department and the permanent bureaucracy had been quietly trying to tell the president and his advisers take it easy on this. >> we had on the program boy so the sanctions against israel is pref let on some college campuses in the united states is essentially anti-semitic. it drew a sharp response from our viewers including you and you e-mailed me and i want to you explain what it is that you

objected to and what libby said. >> first of all it's grotesque, jew hatred publicly expressed by people supporters among other things of president trump. when there is an increase in anti-semitism and in the subways swastikas in new york, boycott divestments. moreover this is a time honored tactic. the boston tea party was a boycott, selma, montgomery, every major campaign involved boycott. the south african freedom struggle. why are the palestinians not allowed to do this? >> the argument is this is sort of anti-zionist, it questions the right of israel to exist and therefore is anti-semitic. >> there's nothing and boycott divestment sanction says israel has to end the occupation, treat its discriminated against second

class arab citizens, 20% of the population equally and israel has to give palestinians whose homes were stolen in 1948 the right to get those homes back and/or to return. there's nothing anti-semitic. what is anti-semitic about property rights, the right to live in your homeland? i think that when you are defending the indefensible as bernard and many extreme supporters of israel are doing you have no alternative but to resort to smears and slurs against the people who are making in my view a strong case that the united states has not done, the international community has not done what it said it wanted to do, in terms of occupational settlement and land theft and it's up to ordinary people to try to push their government and people with a moral conscience to put pressure on israel so it stops all of these violations of human

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according to a new price waterhouse coopers report, china will become the largest economy in the world in less than 15 years. it brings me to my question of the week. by 2050, of the five largest economies in the world, how many are projected to be in asia? is it two, three, four or all five. stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. this book of the week is one stephen bannon is recommending all in the white house read. it's a brilliant critique of

america's stumble into vietnam. bannon, like many others, believers the book is a case against the brainy experts as the title implies. actually, if you read it, you'll see it's an indictment of the arrogance of america's top officials who are blinded by anti-communist ideology and ignored and dismissed the advice of real experts, historians, scholars who knew vietnam, china, the region, culture and argued against america's policy from the start. in any event, a classic of journalism. now for the last look. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> you are listening to the voice of the leader of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. kasim al rimi. in this recording released last week, he says the new fool of the white house received a painful slap across his face. ridiculing president trump over the recent u.s. raid on an al qaeda compound in yemen. the pentagon claimed he was

neve the target of this intelligence gathering raid but a senior official said targeting him one was one of the operational goals. the details surrounding this ground operation, one that killed a navy s.e.a.l. and civilians and militants are murky, though eric schmidt and david sanger of the "new york times" described it as a case where almost everything that could go wrong did. this is not the only recent action in yemen. the u.s. has ramped up activity in the skies over this war-torn nation in recent years. as many as 174 aqap members were killed in strikes rast last year according to "the long war journal." that's up from 97 the previous year. there were 38 strikes in 2016 up from 22 in 2015. there have been at least five strikes already this year as the "new york times" points out. what is going on? for one, al qaeda and the arabian peninsula is considered

to be the most capable al qaeda offshoot. while isis is target number one globally a resurgent al qaeda would be troublesome. the government has requested a review of last month's operation following joe outcries over the civilian casualties. yemen was included in the trump travel ban increasing tensions with that country. it will be hard to fight isis or al qaeda without friends on the ground in that region. the correct answer to the "qup "gps" challenge question is "c." when ranked by projected gdp, the united states is expected to be the second largest economy after china in 2050. followed by india, indonesia and japan. price water house coopers points out when examining gdp, india will surpass the united states by 2040 to become the world's second biggest economy.

overall the report says the world economy could more than double in size by 2042 mainly due to technology driven productivity improvements. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. hello everyone. thank you for joining me this sunday. i'm fredricka whitfield. absolutely intolerable, that is the joint response from the u.s. and japan after north korea test-fired a ballistic missile during a u.s. state visit by the leader of japan. south korean officials say the north fired an intermediate range missile from the western part of the country. the missile traveled about 300 miles before crashing into the sea of japan, also known as the east sea. this is the first north korean ballistic missile test of donald trump's presidency, taking place just as trump was hosting japan's prime minister, shinzo abe, in florida.