just to keep warm. they brought wood over and that's really helpful for us. >> part of our culture to help one another. >> for more information on one spirit at pine ridge reservation, go to cnn.com/impact. that's it for us. see you back here at 10. >> don't go anywhere. smerconish is next. ♪ i am michael smerconish in new york. we welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. so we are four weeks into the trump administration but he's still campaigning for the job. he's left the heat of washington, d.c. for the warmth of florida where instead of

being surrounded by aggressive media, he's about to enjoy the company of thousands of his supporters. that should provide him a welcome distraction from declining approval ratings and turmoil in the white house that inspired this magazine cover from "time." national security adviser michael flynn has been ousted, i have three critical questions about contact with russian officials and we need answers. and a mother here illegally is hold up in a church to avoid deportation. so what should the government do? plus, people are placing roommate ads saying no trump supporters allowed. is that good chemistry or intolerance? and the president calls the press the enemy of the american people and wants to prosecute anyone leaking to reporters. he actually makes me proud to be a newspaper columnist and i'll tell you why. first, after a turbulent week that included resignation

of the president's national security adviser, the withdrawal of labor secretary nominee, and press conference for the ages, president trump back in warm weather, will stage a campaign rally 5:00 p.m. eastern today in an airplane hangar in melbourne, florida. yes, i said campaign rally, perhaps feeling isolated in the white house, the president seems eager to relive the embrace of huge crowds that greeted him during the 2016 campaign. in fact, he's actually already filed for re-election two years earlier than the norm for incumbents and he started fund-raising. joining me now, friend of the president, ceo and president of conservative news organization news max, christopher ruddy, and pride of pittsburgh, pennsylvania, selena zito who writes for the examiner and the post. does the 2020 race begin this

afternoon? >> i think it began even before trump was inaugurate rated, the reason is the media has been at total war with him. i think he feels he should be out there talking directly to the american people. you know, obama was in full time campaign mode for 8 years, he was giving speeches, did very little legislative hard work behind the scenes. already president trump is reaching out to global leaders and the democrats. he doesn't attack the democrats too much. press have low approval ratings. and michael, your statement about the press conference, there's a disconnect. the elites hate this kind of thing. people in the heart land are a little more open than you believe. >> i recognize that. selena, how did that presser play at cracker barrel? >> well, you know, first of all, cracker barrels are off

interstates. if you want to really understand how people feel about things, go to coffee shops, diners, you know, into community centers. the people i heard from that, you know, i talked to throughout the election. people that did or didn't vote for him, they understand this is who they voted for or they understood this is who this guy is going to be. and it is always going to be this sort of force of nature. so the ones that did or did not vote for him may or may not like it. they're not surprised by it. >> his numbers, chris, let me say this, his numbers are certainly not on the rise. katherine, put that gallup survey back up. look at the approval rating, 38%, 46% voted for him. >> michael, i get "the washington post" e-mail every morning, i devour it, like some of the reporters there.

every headline running down this thing, trump administration screwing up, german defense minister hates trump, trump calls the american media the enemy, trump making more money on his golf club. >> which of those are untrue? >> one headline is trump is a cancer, from one of the lead writers. how to manage the white house cancer. come on, if i saw this, this is war mode against the president. this is a guy that never held political office. he is the first president in the history of the country never to have held political office or been a general. he doesn't have a cadre of people. he decided to bring in new people. they said in the media nobody will join the trump administration. look at the heavyweights that have come into the cabinet, a plus people, wilbur ross, william minutia, left billion

dollar business. >> i recognize the credentials of some of those he attracted to the cabinet are impressive, rex tillerson, how can you say someone that played the role of ceo of exxon is not an impressive individual. but chris, here is what's lacking, there's no steady hand in the white house, not a david gergen, not someone that's been there, done that, who can say mr. president, that's imprudent. that's where i think he comes up short in addition to other areas. but i want to ask you something. you are a friend of the president and i know you had a drink with him at mar-a-lago, you and mccallum. i want to ask you this. is he enjoying himself, does he like this job? he is a month into it. >> i think he loves the job, i think he's really excited about it. i've never seen him more focused in his life, more energetic. he has always been a high energy guy so to speak. i think he really -- i think he is perplexed by the open outrage

us treatment by the media. the white house made some stumbles but are trying to fix them. you say there's no steady hand, i think trump is the steady -- everybody says there's global chaos. look what he did around the world, reaffirm relationship with japan, reaffirm south korea. encouraging nato countries to increase the budget, caution israel not to go too steady against the palestinian, extended hand of friendship to putin without giving up any chips. i think the guy has acted smartly so far in foreign policy, so it is just this perception where he led the press conference saying you describe this place in chaos but it is not true. >> i can't let those pass. to me there's been, i could drill down on any one of them where there has been an unpredi unpredictability, take israel. you referenced israel. i don't know, is he for two state solution, one state

solution, reigning in bb with regard to expansion in the west bank or is he not? it is hard to see coherence. that's what i think causes a lot of concern. >> look, i think he said to israelis, don't do anything now, don't upset the apple cart. i think he is reaffirmed support for other arab leaders and reached out to a number of people in the region, the president of egypt who i think is a good guy, cici. i don't think the israelis perceive chaos, i don't think the middle east perceive chaos, why does everyone in washington -- >> look, i brought the two of you by my choice, neither of you is antagonistic toward president trump. selena, he tweeted this morning, i want to show you what he said this morning, don't believe the mainstream fake news media, the white house is running very well. i inherited a mess and am in the

process of fixing it. selena, do you think the white house is running very well? >> well, i mean, we don't know that specifically. >> what? come on. >> you know, low temperatuet me. we don't know that specifically because we're not inside the white house. the appearance on the outside is chaos, disruption and people that look, had we elected hillary clinton or jeb bush, you would have had, a point you made before, we would have seasoned people that worked in the white house that understand how things go on and understand how to run things up the chain. you do not have that in this white house yet because he did not bring those types of people in. but remember, that's what people elected. that's what they wanted. i think as journalists, we need to be more agnostic about how he feels about us and we should focus more on what he is doing.

>> christopher, comment from you. >> donald trump is the only guy in america who's friends with both billy graham and howard stern. he has the unique ability to bring people together. i think everybody is in this war mode, the press at him, him back at the press. i think we need to get beyond that. i think he has the ability to be a popular president, needs to get his economic program through, and i think people will judge him by results. don't worry about what goes on on twitter. sometimes he likes to overstate his position. that's one of his negotiating tactics. look at results and look at what he is doing domestically and foreign policy, i think it is fine. give him a chance. give him a chance. >> ba ba boo ee to the last point. thank you for being here. what do you think. tweet me at smerconish, i will read some comments. already flowing in. what have we got. smerconish, remember he is your president as you clearly stated at the start. having fun yet? he may be yours but he's not my

president. multi-specialist, i said it and meant it. i can sit here and have disagreement about the direction of this thing, but i am not denigrating the office and i have respect for the commander in chief. so i'll be critical, but i'm also going to keep in mind yeah, he is the president of the united states. i think i honored that. hit me with another. smerconish, michael do not be part of the problem of fake news. enough of this, this fake news garbage. there's nothing fake about what you just heard. it is all fact based. instead of telling me about fake news, i would rather you call me out and say you said this. and it was incorrect. i will be waiting for that tweet during the course of this program, but it will never come. still to come, michael flynn has been ousted as head of the nsc after his dealings with russia and not coming clean about them. i have three questions that require answers. and with the trump administration crackdown on illegal immigrants, a woman has

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which troubles you more, that the intelligence community caught associates of candidate trump communicating with members of russian intelligence before the election or that this information was made public because of leaks to the news media. how you answer that question seems as with most things to be completely partisan. while the democrats are lobbying for an investigation into the russian ties, house speaker paul ryan and most of the gop establishment are calling for investigation into who leaked the information. joining me now, eli lake whose tweet expressing concern about national security got retweeted by the president. and juliet kie em, author of security mom an unclassified guide to protecting our home land and your home.

eli, julia, three questions i hope we can nail this segment. here they are. number one. is there any benign explanation for trump campaign officers having on-going dialogue with russian intel during the campaign. number two, would general flynn have spoken to the russian ambassador on the subject of sanctions without the knowledge of the president? and number three, if the intel community thought that flynn was at risk of blackmail, was the leaking justified? so let's deal with number one first. juliet, is there any benign explanation for the trump campaign having dialogue with russian intel? >> there might be. >> what? what could it be. >> listen, there's a range of possibilities, benign and not benign. benign to collusion, so from the innocent to the really scary stuff. we don't know yet, right, so the idea that it is only just benign

is ignoring a lot of evidence suggesting flynn is having conversations that he didn't disclose regarding department of justice being worried that the russians could use it against flynn, and of course reports by "new york times" this week that there was over a year of consistent conversation between the trump campaign and -- >> that's what i'm talking about. eli, there's no benign explanation for that. there's nothing that is safe about or explainable about having on-going conversation with russian intel. >> sure there is. lots of time russian intelligence officers do not present themselves as russian intelligence officers, they have a cover of some kind and you may not be knowing you're talking to a russian intelligence officer when you are. i want to say i have many open questions about all of this but there's a very benign explanation there. number two. put the list up to remind everybody. would general flynn have spoken to the russian ambassador

without the president's knowledge. juliet, i find it hard to believe. flynn would have had to have gone rogue to have that conversation just when obama imposed those sanctions. i'm sorry, i can't buy into the idea he was out there as a lone wolf without the president's knowledge, the president-elect's. >> i don't buy that either. i find it har d to believe a series of conversations are going on while the obama administration are putting sanctions on not known to trump and his closest political advisers. the proof of that seems to be in how trump handled information from department of justice that they were worried about what flynn was disclosing to vice president pence and that he could be sort of blackmailed by the russians. the fact that trump sat on that information for three weeks and only responded when "the washington post" and other news organizations disclosed it showed that trump didn't really care. if you want to -- none of it -- there's no moment in which i can say yes, it is proof, but

there's enough evidence to suggest that the benign explanation is receding into the sunset and the less benign explanations are coming to the forefront. >> eli, i say the president surely was in the loop that flynn was having that conversation with the russian ambassador. your view? >> i think it is the wrong question. right now, you have to ask yourself, first of all i would say flynn does not say he lied and his explanation is he did not remember one detail of one of many, several conversations, and it wasn't the main topic. i think the white house should release the transcripts of the calls so the american people can see for themselves. all of that said, i am very suspicious of an outgoing obama appointed acting attorney general making a decision about something like this, blackmail is usually when you're cheating on your wife, concealing something like this. since in my view we haven't established whether or not there

was a lie to vice president pence, i find it highly unusual, also, was this an investigation over a logan act violation, a law that's never been enforced or prosecuted? it is quite normal for transition officials to talk to foreign diplomats. so what are we exactly talking about here. >> let me get to question three. eli, this is for you. if the intel community thought flynn was at risk of blackmail, was the leaking justified? your answer? >> i have a very hard time justifying leaking like this. by the way, i am very pro-leaks, and against leak investigations as a journalist, but i have a hard time saying that you can leak selectively monitored communications like this. it is a violation of the public trust. perhaps they believe there was a blackmail situation, but i don't think that case has been made. to me it looks more politically motivated, something smells bad.

>> eli, if i am in the media community, but publicly he is saying not and telling the vice president not, don't i have some kind of obligation to drop the dime because the russians know he is not being truthful. >> no. >> and that sets him up for blackmail. >> no, it does not because you have an obligation to inform the white house which is what they did. but more importantly, it is unclear exactly what happened here, if it was mentioned briefly an conversation and flynn said we're coming into office in a couple weeks, we're going to review everything, let's talk about this phone call i am setting up, then it is understandable and you couldn't blackmail the guy on that. also, this is somebody that became a three star general, considered a very fine officer, one of the great intelligence minds of this generation. you don't get to that position by being someone who lies casually and deliberately as he is implied to do, and we still

haven't heard from him on this. that's the part that is tough. >> i wish i had more time. i'm sorry, gang, i can't. thank you, to be continued. what are your thoughts. keep them coming @smerconish. left coast, eat coast, hate trump, everyone in between still waiting for results and are probably happy so far. kris, he is probably playing well at cracker barrel. at some point probably has to be accounting we achieved x, y and z. we are only a month into this. if it happens, i will give him the credit he deserves. crackdown on illegal immigration forced a mother to take refuge in a church to avoid deportation. is she the kind of bad hombre? and a new category of ads seeking roommates, ones that

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a mother of six has been taking refuge in a unitarian church in denver since tuesday to avoid deportation under the new trump administration policy. she came to the united states illegally from mexico in 1997 with her husband and daughter, like thousands of immigrants in search of a better life. her husband, a bus driver had been kidnapped three times. they now live in denver with their three children, all born in the united states, hence all citizens of the united states. her jobs included housekeeper,

janitor, house painter, for the last several years, immigrants rights activist. obama administration prioritized expulsion of immigrants that threaten public safety, or criminal records. president trump's order goes i don't know that, can apply to virtually every person in the country illegally, gives latitude to individual immigration officers to decide who should be detained for deportation. thus, her situation and any others like her. is this the best way to expend our resources to deal with this issue? in his latest column, optimism in the age of trump, univision writer writes as many as 8 million undocumented immigrants could be deported, he believes all 8 million of these people qualify for that term.

jorge ramos, winner of 8 emmys. this is a terribly sympathetic set of circumstances, mother of three, they're american citizens. some are watching, saying yes, but she broke the law and pled guilty to using a fake social security number, so as to gain employment. what do we do now? >> well, the rules are changing, the way you presented is precisely right. put it in context. barack obama was deporter in chief, deported 2.5 million immigrants. then donald trump was to be the czar. to change the definition of criminal. they estimated 8 out of 11 million living in the country could be deported. among them, the woman, living in

arizona after 22 years in this country. she's just a mom. and let's not be naive, yes. they have been using fake ids and fake social security numbers, fake driver's licenses, but we're complicit in this. they are doing it because of us. they come here, they don't come to go to disneyland or to kill american citizens, they come to make their life better. they're building homes where we live, baby-sitting our kids. that's why they are here, michael. >> i find myself sympathetic to her plight as a father of four because of the kids. then i say, jorge, if the policy is to protect mother of children who are born here, aren't we then setting a precedent where individuals that come to the united states without playing by the rules quickly have children so as to protect themselves. >> these are the numbers and this is the reality. right now there are about 11 million undocumented immigrants

and there's no invasion, last five years the number has been stable. more mexicans are leaving the united states than coming here. also there are 4.5 million u.s. children born in this country who have at least one parent who is undocumented. that's the real tragedy. the ap story that donald trump wanted to use national guard to deport immigrants is not true, white house says it is not true, but it feeds to the narrative that president trump is getting ready for mass deportation. i think it is not to punish kids or parents, they're moms and pops. the solution is to find a legal way for them to stay in this country. they're not criminals or terrorists. >> maybe president trump is crazy like a fox because if he is watching, he is hearing jorge ramos talk about increase in self deportation. people laughed when mitt romney said that, all of a sudden maybe

if he rattles the cage and a couple of prying profile cases to use that expression, then all of a sudden you will have people leaving the country without the u.s. government having to do anything. >> well, but the fact is that it isn't happened. i talked to many immigrants in the last week and what they are feeling is fear, but they're not going back to their country of origin. not seeing bosses in -- buses with immigrants getting ready to leave. what i see is children going publicly on tv and with attorneys trying to save their parents. we are living in a country where children have to defend their parents. i thought it was the other way around. i thought it was not the children defending her, i talked with a 13-year-old trying to defend her father, even went to

rome to defend her father. children are being forced to defend their parents. it is not supposed to be that way. >> one last aspect, very important. miss vis kerra is in a church and across the country there are a growing number, as many as 800 now, saying we will give you sanctuary. you know the law doesn't protect them, it's really the optics and public relations that protect them if they're in a church or hospital or maybe on university property. what do you see happening for those that seek refuge in a church like this woman? >> i don't expect i.c.e. agents getting to the church. it is not the law, they can come into the church and arrest her and deport her to mexico. but i don't think that's going to happen. but then the problem here is that people who are not terrorists, they're not gang members, who are not criminals or rapists as unfortunately

donald trump said when he was a candidate, they want to deport all these people, and why? they really are needed for the economy. they really are paying taxes. they really are doing the job that nobody else wants to do. donald trump has the historic opportunity to be like ronald reagan, not with the electoral college, but has the opportunity, he controls the white house. he controls both chambers of commerce. if he really wants to make a change and show his big heart as he says, okay, show it, mr. trump. he can legalize the majority of 11 million in this country tomorrow if he wants, but he doesn't want to do that. >> final point. you and i can agree were she not a mom, and if she were a bad hombre, we want her out of here. >> sure, i have no problem with criminals. but the way donald trump is presenting this, he is criminalizing the immigrant population. i can't believe a president who is son of an immigrant, suddenly

wants to close the door after those who came after him. that's exactly what he is trying to do. i am not defending criminals but it is not the way mr. trump is presenting. the last number i saw according to american immigration council, less than 2% of yum immigrants end up behind bars. >> jorge, thank you for being here. >> thank you, michael. keep the tweets coming. hit me with another. i don't see them until you do. smerconish, cnn, how is deporting that mom, breaking up her american family making us safer, in one word, it is not. it is a sympathetic case, but you don't want to set a precedent, you say come here, give birth and you're home free. there's no easy answer. up ahead. looking for a roommate? you can't discriminate on race, religion, or disability.

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please, or gay friendly is a must, trump unfriendly is preferred or about you, you have a steady job, you're not a drug addict or party animal, no trump supporters. check this ad out for a house near georgetown university which says alcohol, pets, and meat products are not allowed in the house. neither are trump supporters. joining me now, the ad's writer who works at a nonprofit in education. sahar, i am not coming to live with you, you knock me out on booze, pets and meat. on the trump issue, aren't you being a bit intolerant? >> well, i think it is fair to say look at me, i'm brown, i'm a woman, i am somebody who is heavily reliant on obama's pre-existing condition clause and i don't think that it's fair to judge me for not wanting

somebody who criticizes me for the things that i identify with. so no. i would feel like i'm in a hostile environment if me and me roommates who are immigrants felt unwelcome by trump, his supporters and policies that are discriminatory. >> you're being judgmental against what they believe in. >> well, my house is not a political battlefield. i would be more than happy to settle issues with you at protests or in a congress setting, i speak with my representatives about changes that i want, but i am not obligated to turn my house into a political battlefield when i come work in the evening. >> but would you spur the friendship of someone who is politically on a different page than you are but is a good person? >> this is not about political differences. i don't have -- it doesn't say no conservatives in my ad, doesn't say no republicans,

doesn't say no christians, it says no trump supporters. there's a distinction between republican, conservative, and a trump supporters. a trump supporter by all means is a bigot, so instead of saying no bigots in my apartment, i specifically say no trump supporters because i am calling trump and his supporters out on their bigotry. >> you know what, i can't buy into that, i can't buy the notion that says 46% of those who voted in the recent election are by definition bigots. to the blue collar worker who has been a reliable democratic voter but feels disenfranchised in this economy and has a set of grievances about their inability to get ahead, earn an income, et cetera, et cetera, and voted for donald trump, i'm just not putting them in a basket of deplorables. some of them perhaps, but not all of them. that's what troubles me, you paint with a broad brush. but you can have the final word. >> i'm not going to have an

extreme vetting system of any kind for my roommate. if somebody comes up and responds to my ad, says i want to live here, let's work this out, i am not going to drill you on your political beliefs. however, if you're an avid trump supporter, goes to trump rallies, tries to punch black people in the face and deport muslims and if you're passionate about those things, you probably don't want to knock on my door in the first place. if you come knocking to the door, send an e-mail, even if you voted for trump, i'm not going to quiz you on what's your policy on planned parenthood or what do you suppose we should do with obamacare. those aren't questions i'm concerned about. i'm concerned with you not identifying with bigotry associated with donald trump. >> i want to introduce you to my miniature dock sond, mr. lucy. maybe at least i can turn you around on the pet clause. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you so much. >> i got a smile out of her at the end, didn't i, on the dog

comment? hit me with a tweet. smerconish, inappropriate to discriminate against roommates with delivering politics only widens the divide between us, bridges not walls. paula, if i had that kind of clause in my extended family, i wouldn't be able to entertain some of my relatives under my roof. up next, president trump has responded to investigative journalism about his administration by labeling the media the enemy of the people. he's got it backwards, and i'm about to explain why. you want to make your enamel sure to protect it, you want to have it for life. consumption of very acidic foods can wear away your enamel. your tooth is gonna look yellower, um more dull. nobody wants to have yellow looking teeth. i recommend pronamel toothpaste because it helps protect and strengthen your enamel. it's gonna make them more resistant to the acid erosion so that your teeth are not bothering you and you feel good about your smile. it's such a wonderful combination, it's pro enamel, it's good for your enamel, it's a positive thing.

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so that's what president trump tweeted yesterday about the media, sparking the trending hash tag on twitter not the enemy. he uses every opportunity to bash the media including now a press conferences. the investigative reporting on the russian situation has kicked his attacks into even higher gear.

on thursday he bearded the beast. this is just some of what he said to a room full of reporters. >> the press has become so dishonest that if we don't talk about it, we are doing a tremendous disservice to the american people. tremendous disservice. how does the press get this information? that's classified. how do they do it? you know why? because it's an illegal press and the press should be ashamed of themselves. but more importantly the people that gave out the information to the press should be ashamed of themselves. >> on his media criticism, i disagree and not just because i'm here at cnn. the president is attacking one of our best checks on government. especially where congress shows no interest in playing that role. one of my most retweeted comments last week was this one. the inconext time you read abou newsroom making cuts in your local newspaper, think about the extraordinary reporting that we

are seeing right now. we all know that in the internet age print advertising is plummeting nationally. and newspaper staffs have been eviscerated across the country. look at these headlines n. recent months even institutions like the "wall street journal" have been laying folks off. this is a damaging trend especially on the local level because where there's no investigative journalism, government at a local state and national level goes unchecked. sure. there's been an explosion of self described journalists, bloggers, but people with laptops sitting in their p.j.s are no substitute for investigative reporters. the president's anger about the press takes time and takes money. i'm thinking of the report in "the washington post" on january 12 about flynn's call to the russian ambassador. i'm think about the new york

times piece on trump aides having contact with russian intel the year before the election. and cnn breaking the story that president obama and president-elect trump were both briefed on the possible existence of a russian dossier. this is actually a golden age of journalism. one that makes me proud to be a sunday newspaper columnist for the "philadelphia enquirer." i don't condone the leaking. the proprietary of the leaks is an open question for me but without investigative journalism we would never have learned about michael flynn's conversation with the russian ambassador and he'd still be in office posing a potential black rail risk. there are times when national security takes precedence and the leakers knowing what they're risking decided this is one of those instances. thomas jefferson wrote were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without

a government, i should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. but i should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them. think about that the next time that you read about newsroom layoffs. still to come, more of your tweets. as a matter of fact, something i said about cracker barrel i think has been miss teinterpret in a number of tweets. knows how it feels to seees your numbers go up,

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. so i don't see the tweets until you do, but i am told that there are a lot of folks who are beefing about something i said about cracker barrel in the show. i love the country fried steak there. i love cracker barrel. here a jason trying to marginalize and peotus -- >> jason, did a a prime-time

special in which i offered data about the divide in the country expressed between whole foods counties and cracker barrel counties, what had been a gap, but the 19 point gap has now grown to 54 points. if i'm -- i love crack ir barrel and i live more one. i'm going to now tweet out my commentary from last night's prime-time special about the partisan divide. dare i say you've just made my point which is to say people hear what they want to hear. what part of this is different don't you understand? i agree with the young lady. i would never rent to a trump supporter. joann, i think you're being intolerant. give me one more. here we go. i told my boy frfriend of five years if he was looking for a r an out, vote for trump.

we're still together. there's a lot of marriages where people don't agree on politics. to be continued next week. follow me on twitter. >> good morning. glad to with you on board. a.m. cristi paul. >> i'm victor paul. "cnn newsroom" begins now. we have a packed political show to get to. a lot to talk about. we're going to start, cape canaveral in florida where they're lauchbinching an unmann space craft. >> packed with more than 5,000 pounds of cargo. it's on its way to the international space station. looks like they've got a beautiful day for it. some clouds but definitely some sunshine. we're