document. he says it's from something he saw on tv. >> all of this as an intelligence committee asks federal agencies to keep all the recorded related to russia for their hacking investigation. meanwhile he continues his search for a new national security adviser. we are 32 days into the trump presidency. let's begin this morning with athena jones live in west palm beach florida. good morning. >> good morning, the president had a busy weekend but he took a

break and it's weird he made an offhand remark about sweden. >> sweden, they took in large numbers and they're having problems like they never thought possible. >> sparking confusion worldwide. the president later saying it's something he saw on tv. tweeting my statement as to what's happening in sweden was in reference to a story broadcast on fox news concerning immigrants and sweden. that fox news report, an interview with a conservative film maker that accused the swedish government of covering up violent crimes aired the night before the president's rally. >> it was an absolute surge in

both gun violence and rape in sweden when it began the open door policy. they are tweeting we look forward to informing them about swedish integration policies. the white house telling reporters the president was talking about rising crime in general and not referring to a specific incident. meanwhile mike pence trying to reassure european alabama lice of the u.s.'s support for data. as they investigate russia meddling in the u.s. holding a briefing with senators on friday. the white house chief of staff denied any solution between the trump campaign and operatives.

trump aids were in constant contact with russians. >> the top levels of the intelligence community have assured me that that story is not only inaccurate but it's grossly overstated and was wrong. >> president trump is still searching for a national security adviser after firing michael flynn for misleading about his communications with russian officials. meeting with several candidates for the job over the weekend drawing sharp rebuke from politicians on both sides. >> if you want to preserve democracy as we know it you have to have a free and many times

adversarial press. that's how dictators get started. >> now the president may have more mean here before heading back to washington where later he plans to unveil a new executive order on immigration. this as questions remain about some of the other big campaign promises for day one like repealing and replacing obamacare. >> the vp is talking and addressing the european union. he said something that's important about the united states disposition about what is happening in ukraine. take a listen. >> with regard to ukraine the

united states will continue to hold russia accountable and demand that russia begin by deescalating the violence in eastern ukraine. while the united states will continue to hold russia accountable, at president trump's direction we will also search in new ways for newcomb mon ground with russia. >> how do you understand the apparent disconnect between what the vice president just said is that you have to check russia and ukraine. they can't keep doing whatever they wanted to do with what our president said a week or so ago when he said i'm not sure about a connection between russia and the separatists. how do you understand that?

>> we worked with russia for a long time in many things but they're also an enemy. i'm on the vice president's side there in terms of what he is saying literally. i believe we shouldn't hold russia accountable but we should find ways. >> do you see a problem with the president? not just looking for common ground. he's always looking for common ground. keep men and women like you out of harms way instead of fighting over the words of politicians but his saying, i don't know whether or not russia is behind the hacks. i don't know what the deal is with russia and separatists. that's more than seeking cop mon ground. that's hiding from the facts. >> well, words matter, there's no doubt about that. this president is new. he's not a politician. he's learning on the job.

i'm just telling you that's a fact but words do matter and he must be more careful and cautious in a lot of things. you're playing this in the opening statement and was talking about his words. >> as anticipated they say they're going to come out in something. do you think it's a mistake if they don't have new procedures in place to explain what they call extreme vetting? >> well, from the way that i understand it is part of this pause is to figure out what the new procedures are and take a look at what we're already doing because the previous administration was a little loose with the way they were handling things. they were exponentially growing and expediting and bringing

folks in here. that is reasonable for an administration. they believe that. take a pause, look at it and figure it out moving forward if anything at all. the new order if he comes out with one will have had subject matter experts look at it. the implementation they probably learned a lot from the folks that actually have, department heads and stuff so i imagine the language will be tightened up. i imagine it will still be looking to further vet refugees that come into this country which i don't think this is unreasonable. but that being said i think they learned a lot from the first roll out. >> are you happy with the pace of the progress of the administration so far? in congress on capitol hill we're on schedule. we're right around where we

should be schedule wise. >> we talked about this a lot. getting the guy there and together on the same page so we can better protect the americans. no matter what side of the aisle you're on and there's things i'd like to see and at the same time there's things that have moved very fast. >> what do you want people to know about what that means for where americans will be and what the situation will be and what should be expected. >> that's an excellent question. i spent my christmas vacation

there. i believe we should have been engaged with syria. as soon as one move happens the whole board changes of course in terms of we put troops out there and i'll tell you we have the congressional district of the nation and less than 1% of the nation has gone over and over again. and whether i would tell you that i would support that or not. the whole game has changed and it would have to be different than five years ago. >> there's a perception that if they're on the ground just to make sure that they're safe zones it will be okay. if they're there just to be advisers to people that are engaged in combat in mosul they'll be all right. isn't that naive and deceptive? if you're on the ground in harms

way where it's going on you might as well be a combatant and we'll see a loss of american life. >> you are. anyone that is over there is on the ground for sure. there's no doubt about it. you're over there in harms way potentially. there's no doubt about that. it was very deceptive. the last administration talking about that, i want to know what they're doing, what the goal is. i agree with you, it shouldn't be deceptive. we should know what the goal is and why folks are in harms way. >> it's interesting you lived a difficult part of the political

process. you're the one that put your life at risk but now you're on the other side of the equation where you have to make it clear to the american people and asking people like you risking your own life. scott taylor from virginia, you're always welcome on new day to talk about what matters, sir. >> thank you, it's a pleasure. >> thank you. >> breaking news this morning, secretary of defense james mattis breaking with president trump on the idea that he should take it there. let's go to our senior correspondent live with the breaking details. >> he arrived at baghdad and flew to the green zone where he met officers and will be meeting later with senior iraqi

officials. obviously top of the agenda is the current operation in mosul. the second phase of that operation, the effort to drive isis out of the western city. western part of this city began yesterday and so far iraqi forces are almost on the edge of the airport in the south of the city and making good progress so far. general, rather secretary mattis that does have experience here in iraq also knows it's important to sort of address local sensitivities. one of them was of course this question of president trump saying he wanted to seize iraqi oil. >> all of us generally paid for

our gas and oil early on and we continued to do so in the future. we're not in iraq to seize anybody's oil. >> iraqis were annoyed by the executive oil to travel ban which included their country a key ally in the fight against isis. that was one of the 7 countries. chris. >> thank you very much. please keep us aprized of the situation. >> we have a veteran of the world stage. everybody says words matter. why? he'll tell us next.

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>> the swedish government baffles and concerned by president trump augustisuggesti immigration related security event in sweden. how is this playing out diplomatically? joining me is bill richardson. the former democratic governor

of new mexic to mexico. good to see you. good morning. >> thank you. >> let's get to what the president said over the weekend that caused this. here it was. >> you look at what shaping in germany. you look at what is happening last night in sweden. sweden who would believe this, sweden, they took in large numbers they're having problems like they never thought possible. >> this is what he says my statement as to what's happening in sweden was in reference to a story broadcast on fox news concerning immigrants of sweden. now you can make the argument there's a connection between refugee intake and crime up tick. do you think it's a question of interpretation here or do you think that the president was playing loose. >> i think believe the president was playing loose with his facts and most disturbingly he's

getting it from television instead of a briefing. this was wrong. there's been no terrorist incidents in sweden since 2013 when sweden opened up it's boarders and this is another country that we have now insulted joining australia, mexico, canada, the 11 countries of the transpacific partnership that we abollished the treaty with them. and now general mattis is trying to clean up the mess. they participate in international peace keeping and climate change.

>> i want you to explain to me as you are a veteran, you tell me when words matter. >> words matter first of all because it's the president of the united states. the leader of native. we have a lot of relationships with nordic countries and when he says things as a candidate it matters less but now he's saying it as president and the danger is that the president seems to be speaking to his narrow base. the base that elected him. the 38% approval rating that he has but now he's president of all the people and the leader of the free world and international community. words matter.

look what is going to happen to that country. >> right. >> yeah, i mean, he is a man that has a great background. pro u.s. so this is very disturbing. >> you mentioned secretary mattis in iraq and your word is something to the effect of doing clean up. this is what the vice president has done. >> after all we have been

through we share a future. today, tomorrow, be confident that the united states is now and will always be your greatest ally. >> he was partially reassuring. he was doing a good job of saying we will be active with nato but he didn't say about what the european union. we say to britain good that you got out of the european union. he said nothing about still working with the european union. 28 countries, mainly economic issues and immigration issues so europe is still wondering where we are. what does it mean also with nato? are we not going to be active with nato if nato doesn't pay the 2% which they should. each nato country like germany. they're at 1.3% they should pay 2 and then lastly what do we do

about russia. are we going to loosen them? and they're still wondering about it. >> i hear you loud and clear. i just have to ask just with your knowledge of north korea. this death investigation into malaysia, the estranged half brother of the leader of north korea. we know that kim jong un had his uncle taken out a year ago and now all of these questions swirling did he put a hit on his half brother. what do you think? >> well, it looks like it but you can't confirm anything. i think that is a pattern in north korea. go after your enemies in a very deathly way. but there is a little bit of

good news and it seems to be cancelling imports of call in north korea. there were some loopholes. my last point on north korea i have been trying to get the white house to listen to me on working together to get this kid out of north korea. an american detained there and you know i call the white house, nobody answers, nobody responds. they don't want to see me. maybe because i'm a democrat but this is a humanitarian issue that could open up a relationship with north korea that we don't have so that they stopped some of these ballistic missile tests and nuclear weapons tests. >> let us know when they pick up the phone. we'll be in touch with you. thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> the swedes are not amused. what is the refugee situation

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they took in large numbers an having problems like they never thought possible. >> is that true? a question many are asking following president trump's awe jex that a existent attack may have occurred in the scandinavian country. he is referencing something he saw on tv. a fox news segment about an alleged migrant related problem. let's get the facts. we have the former u.s. ambassador to sweden. you are in san francisco. it is early there. that is an importance of it. refugees came in and as a result

their crime rate skyrocketed. is that true? >> it's partly true. the crime rate has not skyrocketed and sweden has taken in a lanch number of refugees as you pointed out. however it's also important to point out that sweden has been historically a very diverse country very much like ourself and this population has been very well integrated and has lead to the high ranking and innovation that both sweden and the united states have. so when you look at the link between crime and immigration it has been disputed many time. there is no link, in fact, there was a stu ddy that just came ou from the university of buffalo that showed data from census data and crime reports. over 40 years from 200 cities

that showed in link between immigration patterns and crime so i think that when we talk about these immigration patterns we need to use the facts that are available. there's absolutely no data to support that. >> it is a fact that sweden has as many or more reports than any country let alone in scandinavia or greater europe. how do you account for that. but there's no correlation. communities that have a heier rate of migrants some are at a

lower rate. >> and the victims of these allegations also wind up being within the same class meaning the crimes they commit they usually commit against their own. we still wind up in the same situation. the u.s. investor for sweden and the u.s. there is fear. we don't want the problems here that we see everywhere else in the world and that's why the president's suggestion does stoke the fear here and people say i don't want it here. we don't want policies based on fear. there's no evidence that supports that. we want to have evidence based policies that are based on claims that are substantiated and i'll give you one example

and sweden has taken 200,000 people. this is a country with a population of 10 million. that's about 6 or 8 million people. based on that we should be reporting terrorist attacks in sweden every week. you see no such thing last year they were the third most innovative in the world and crime happens because there's a lot of opportunity. when you have communities where there is no education, a lack of opportunity, a lack of access to the labor market then maybe the rational choice may be for some people to resort to crime but i don't think there's a correlation between that and immigrants. it's not substantiated anyway. >> the person that decides to

dig into this a little bit will learn that sweden did have to change it's policy of how many it absorbs and there's an implication there that they were getting overwhelmed. that the needs of the community, the social services and safety concerns make them change their policy and take less what do you say about that? >> that presents a great deal of challenges in terms of where to house them, how to educate the children and so forth and how to absorb and integrate that population. that is not to say that that is linked to a concern to crime and a long-term economic opportunity and that's been seen that way. in many cases higher education

degrees. they have talents. different stories and ways of looking at problems and have to have a great deal of health and courage and ambition to go to another country to be willing to start all over again and we have seen that in our own country where entrepreneurs create businesses at a higher rate than our own citizens. >> i want to talk to you about what is right now. there's no reason to believe there's any true diplomatic strain over this. thank you for helping us clarify. >> thank you, chris. >> so how do president trump supporters think he is doing? we're on day 32 now into the trump administration. he went back on the campaign trail and got the base fired up

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>> i'm here because i want to be among my friends and among the people. i also want to speak to you without the filter of the fake news. >> president trump taking his message to the people campaign

style rally. big crowd. just a month after assuming the presidency. how do his supporters see his words and actions. >> let's discuss with the cnn contributor. she is also the reporter with the washington examiner and new york post columnist. also the senior editor of the atlantic. ron, let's begin with you and this notion of all right, trump has been out and about. he is firing up his base. the base is loving this verbal style of his because at some point there will be a splintering. >> he already is. he's doing exactly what they sent him to do. disrupt and break windows and change the way the business is done. there's no question also that his approval rating among republicans is at historic highs but those were not the only people that voted for him and in

fact if they were the only people that voted for him he would not have won. if you go back at election day and look at the election poll over one quarter of the people said they did not believe he was qualified and didn't believe he had temperament but they wanted change and didn't like hillary clinton and state polls have come out in the last couple of weeks. among 48% of college educated voters in the election. he is totaling at about 35% approval among both voters today so i don't think that you can look at the evidence and say that all of donald trump's voters are satisfied and reassured by the way he has been conducting himself as president and in fact there is a not insignificant portion of his base that more than having their concerns alleviated are having them reinforced. >> there's a group that he talked to most. those that feel ignored,

forgotten, that are waiting for a slice of jobs that they want to come back. he promised them that. they're not giving up hope. not done giving trump a chance. not by a long stretch. do you see that echoed when you take your travels? >> sure at this point we're only 30 days in. i have interviewed a variety of people over the past 30 days. i keep in touch with them also always on the road and at this moment he is doing fine. they're satisfied. they are happy with how he conducts himself. they understood who they were voting for. for us it's a little bit difficult but to ron's point and i think this is important about independents. you saw that in august of 2009 when you saw them start to gain

tractions in off year elections as governors of new jersey and that's where independents started to be unhappy with president obama's policies and went toward the republicans. that's when we should start looking at these numbers and see if they start to break away from the policies and with him with his personality. >> you wrote a piece for the paper and your lead line is president trump is a caged animal in the white house, right? >> yeah. >> speaking to these rallies, in south carolina on friday, florida on saturday, caged animal. take him out of the white house and that's like his special sauce. >> right. >> is that the magic right now for him? >> right. the lion, right. it is sad and pathetic and as bruce said in my story you put him in his natural habitat and he's majestic and, you know, i

mean, not literally but he glows. he is happy. he sex pressing himself. he's feeding off after the crowds and this is not unprecedented. president obama, remember i covered this. >> in '09. >> yeah. to february 9th, 2009, he had a very campaign like rally. president bush did it as well. clinton, this is not unprecedented and that's good, right? d.c., you don't, you're not president of washington d.c. that's where you govern. you're president of the people. those events are good for all presidents and i think they learn a lot from those kinds of events. >> timing was important. left didn't like it when i said that. they didn't want to hear anything good about the president. we have such a division right now but ron, okay. so what's the next level of analysis in yes it's good. get out there. perception could become reality

but he has a different mandate now. and that disconnect will become more stark as the time goes on there is more to the job. there is actual governing and you kind of look at this, the president on the use of executive authority, yes they moved aggressively in some areas. there's no question and also pretty unprecedented reversals and i don't know of another president that faced something that early. having to fire your national security adviser that early at least they're on both sides of the ledger. on the legislative side it's different. two of the core promises are repealing and replacing the affordable care act and fundamental tax reform. in each case it's much more

difficult because of disagreements about republicans about whether the alternatives would hurt their own voters. the import tax on tax reform as a glow against lower middle income voters and also the affordable care act you have to engage. >> i'm a huge fan. >> the disconnect between inviting people to rally and those town hall meetings where those congress members are going there and seeing people that aren't cherry picked and are coming in. it shows the disconnect between talking the talk and walking the walk. >> thank you all both so much. are president trump's attacks on american ideals and institutions an attack on our democracy? some are already warning about the trump effect. we'll look into that. what does that mean for the rest of us over the course of the next few years?

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all right. so the president is riding a wave of right wing populism. there's no question about that. what are the implications of it and of his pretty consistent attack of institutions of democracy? does that have a real effect on the fundamental ideals and institutions of our democracy? we have somebody who has studied this extensively.

>> yashi co-founded watch dog group after trump. i've read quite a bit of what you've written recently. you're essentially arguing that trump being this authoritarian threat would ultimately threaten our american democracy. how do you mean? >> well, it's quite simple. in order for democracy to work, you have to have people committed to basic values of the system. political scientists talk about consolidated democracy when everyone accepts the basic rules of the game. this includes, for example, that you think your political position is legitimate, but you don't threaten to lock up your political opponents. you say sometimes the press is going to write things you don't like, that doesn't make them the enemy of me or the enemy of the people. it means they're doing their job. it means accepting that when a judge rules against you, he's still a legitimate judge.

now, what we've seen over the last three or four weeks is extreme rhetoric to the effect that all of this isn't true. for now it's only rhetoric. and that's very corrosive of the basic agreements, all of us as americans in order to have trust in the system. the president hasn't gone the step further of actually attacking -- >> isn't that a huge distinction. to put it in not a political theorists language, but common speak. he talks a lot of smack, president trump. people know that about him. he trashes his enemies, he's hyperbolic, gets a lot of things wrong and that winds up being a bridge too far. the idea that someone who is dismissed, not just by his critics but many in his base where they say i don't really believe what he says, he's just angry at you. do you think there's a serious impact from someone who is often not taken that seriously? >> i think so. two things to worry about here. the first is that, you know, in a democracy there are certain

things you shouldn't talk smack about. the whole point of democracy is we often have deep disagreements about public policy, about what we should do as a country. we all agree that the way to settle those is to have elections. the way to settle those is say, look, if i lost this election, it's okay, you get to rule for a little bit. that's legitimate. the systems used in order to relax people are the appropriate things to do. once you start eroding the trust you increase the likelihood there's going to be violent opposition, going to be people in the streets, and over time that can happen quite quickly and be pretty dangerous. the second thing is that in history, whenever people used to say, oh, look, this guy is talking a little bit of smack, he doesn't really mean it, it often turned out to be quite bad. when you look at countries like venezuela, italy, poland, every time somebody said, you know what? i don't believe these institutions are all that legitimate, i'm going to attack the press, attack the opposition, a lot of people

said, oh, he doesn't mean it. >> this is the united states. the united states and venezuela, a totally different ball game. you look at trends and look at germany, look at england and what's happened there, but still it's the u.s. >> yes, that's basically a big debate about what it is that has made america so stable historically. on the one side, america has checks and balances, gives you a lot of opposition and a lot of rights. on the other hand, america has had people deeply committed to the political system. we haven't had a president who called the press the enemy of the people, who has attacked judges in the way donald trump has over the last year. now the question is, what do you need in order for the system to remain stable? is it just enough that there's a constitution? do we need people, politicians, who actually have real consensus about the basic ways we govern our country. >> one good thing we've seen is that the president's provocation

of the media has engendered a heightened sense of journalism and more fact checking and more aggression on the part of the media defending its right to exist. so we haven't seen him have real deleterious effect except among his base. but that's just my take. what do you think you're seeing that is motivating your concern? if you had to point to something and say, hey, this is actually a concern, is there anything there yet? >> one of the things i've seen in my academic work is people turn against democracy over the last 20 years. for example, when you ask older americans born in the '30s and '40s, how important it is to live in a democracy, over two-thirds say essential, ten out of ten. once you look at millennials, less than one-third say it's important. >> your generation. >> i'm not a millennial. >> when you talk about extreme sides of democracy, 20 years ago

it was one in 16, now it's more than double, one in six. that's really concerned me in the last years. what i've seen in the last weeks, i think a lot of young people are starting to see what it means. starting to realize they've always criticized the stims, have seen the bad in it. now they recognize how much of the things in the system are actually good, how many of these things go on to defend. so i've seen a real upswell of energy to say no, we're going to defend our institutions, there's a lot of good things we want to rescue. that's given me hope. >> what's the issue with economic anxiety and how does that tie into all of this in terms of, you know, democracy and creating this opening to your point? >> so one of the reasons why people say, look, we're the united states, we don't have to worry is democracy has been stable here for 250 years. but there's a bunch of things that have been true throughout that time period that are no longer true. one of them is economic growth. for all of american history, essentially living standards

doubled or nearly doubled from one generation to the next, from 1945 to 1960 it doubled, from 1960 to 1985 it doubled. that made it easy for people to have trust in the system. never liked politicians that much, never trusted people in d.c. that much. but, you know what, i'm twice as dad as my dad, my kid will probably be twice as rich as me, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. let's let them do their thing. now a lot of people are saying, i haven't had my living standards improved, most haven't improved since about 1985, so you know what? let's change some things up. i don't trust those people anymore, they're not sticking to their end of the deal, let's let somebody radical that can shake up everything. that's one of the drivers of the rise of populism not just in the united states but western europe and belong. >> smart guy. i like it, talking smack.

>> thank you so much for joining us. a lot of news to tell you about this morning. let's get right to it. >> we are here today to speak the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. >> donald trump doing damage control. >> you look at what's happening last night in sweden. they're having problems like they never thought possible. >> the president believes in the first amendment. >> the media lies. i will never let them get away with it. >> we need a free press. that's how dictators get started. >> a senate committee preparing an investigation into the trump-russia connection. >> we don't know of any contacts with russian agents. >> defense secretary james mattis looking to ease iraqi concerns. >> we're not in iraq to seize anybody's oil. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning and welcome to your "new day." alisyn is off. brooke baldwin is here. last night in sweden, that is

the phrase haunting the president, seemed to be flagging an incident that never happened. it's an example of all the problems that have come with not knowing the facts. did the president really put what he saw on television over what he should have been learning from his intel briefings. >> all of this this morning as the senate intelligence committee asks agencies to keep records related to russia for their hacking investigation. meantime, president trump continues his search for a new national security adviser. we're now in day 32 of the trump administration. let's begin with athena jones live in west palm beach, florida. athena, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, brooke. the president had a busy weekend at mar-a-lago, but took a break between meetings and golf outings to have that campaign rally in melbourne, florida. it was those off-hand remarks about sweden that left a whole lot of people confused