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tailored to felons. dangerous criminals. you can see the white house rejecting the charge that president trump is pursuing nasty deportations. >> this as the muslim community awaits details. president's new travel ban. and the jewish community reacts to >> let's begin our coverage with joe johns live at the white house, joe. >> good morning, the administration says only enforcing existing law but the new guidelines authorize a more robust enforcement of existing law the obama administration used to focus only on the most serious felons, people convicted of crimes and now the focus is on people accused, even suspected of crimes. >> we will have strong borders again. >> under the new guidelines the
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majority of the countries 11 million undocumented immigrants could now face deportation. >> everybody here illegally is subject to removal at any time but it's to make sure that the people that committed a crime and pose a threat to public safe trithe priority of their efforts. >> but the trump administration's new guide lines direct immigration and border agents to deport any undocumented immigrant, charged, convicted or even suspected of a crime. even minor crimes like a traffic violation or shoplifting and crossing illegally is technically criminal. >> anyone found in undocumented status would be apprehended and deported. >> more restrained policies from previous administrations they focus on those deported of
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crimes and anyone arrested within two weeks of illegally crossing the border could face it immigration officers now have greater authority to decide who stays and goes. >> it will be what do they do with the people that are here? they're 2 years old when brought to this country. that's going to be difficult. >> emphasizing that president obama's program protecting dreamers won't be targeted. >> they were brought here in such a way. it's a very, very tough subject. >> but the hard line immigration policy is sparking fear in communities. >> we're concerned about what donald trump means for our family. does that mean that we'll be
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separated from our mother. >> meanwhile he gave into pressure during a visit to the history museum. >> >> the antisemtici threats are harmful and painful and a reminder of the work that must be done to rule out hate and prejudice and evil. >> he skirted the issue in news conference since taking office. >> i am the least anti-semitic person you've seen in your entire life. >> they meet before they fly off to meetings in mexico also turning his attention to matters relating to the federal budget. >> lots to discuss. let's bring in our expert panel
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and cnn political columnist at the daily beast, matt lewis. all right. you have like 19 degrees. one of them involves the law. when we look at this, you cross the border and you have committed a crime, you can be deported. it was about having different prior gattis and guy lines trump started in one direction and seemed to end up in that area. this new language let's put it on the board for you guys, forget about the first line. prioritize removal aliens convicted of my criminal offense. that's the way it's usually been. charged with a criminal offense. that has not been resolved which means there hasn't been complete
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due process. the argument on the other side would be they don't deserve due process. they're not citizens. or committed acts which constitute a chargeable criminal offense or otherwise pose a risk to public or national security. and it's not just about being convicted. it's not just about being arrested. you may be a risk of committing a crime and it enables them to get on with the business and you're going to stumble into a due process mine field and allowing a field officer to say i think you did something that might be a criminal offense. >> they did. >> they came in illegally. congress stepped around.
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this issue about two weeks, two years due process visions kick in because you just came over the border yesterday. or two weeks or two years. it's not clear at all where people say i wasn't shoplifting and i have to get that ajudicated. it's going to get very complicated very quickly. they're going to get the maximum amount of flexibility as they go charging into this campaign promise they're trying to keep. >> one of the other practical issues is it says they're going to rely on local police for enforcement. some enforcement. they're going to rely on global police departments. some local police departments don't want that added responsibility. they have their hands full with their own work so the idea that anybody basically is a criminal now, this overly broad or this broad definition now, it is just hard to see how they are going to enforce it. >> then there's the question of
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where we put those people they're arresting already under the obama administration. there were a lot of problem with the facilities and the conditions there. how many people were there and now multiply that. this is going to be expensive. they're going to be humanitarian issues. if this happens this will put a strain on local law enforcement as you implied. there's so many and also whether this is enforced at various localities. i can't magical cal going head long into this. and maybe other states will be more forceful. it's unclear how this will be. >> matt, give us a quick take on why for many conservatives and a big part of the base there, talking about this conversation as to whether it's right or wrong ends with whether or not
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these people broke the law when they came across the border he. >> america is a sovereign country and we have a right to defend our borders. what we need to do is enforce the laws that are on the books. that's what this is. this isn't new laws. this is enforcing, prioritizing, granting more discretion to border officers and others in the legal community but at the end of the day it's enforcing a law that's already on the books as you have been saying, if you come here illegally you're already an uninvited guest and you should have no expectation whatsoever that you will not be deported. >> that's what so many people voted for president trump because they like the idea of this. they think that we have our -- they think that we have invited people in and turned away, you know? and they're looking forward to
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this. >> they're in for a real education. there's always these metaphors about get to the head of the line and wait your turn and things that don't exist. >> why don't they exist? >> there's no line. there's ten different ways you can come into this country where you start out as undocumented and you can get legal status. lots of different ways. depends on who you marry, who you're related to, what job you're applying for. most people come and wind up being illegally here overstay a visa. >> it's not about building a wall, right? you come in for a month long basis and travel visa. >> trying to unwind this and undo this it's going to be much more complicated. and have not really been thought through. >> they see it as crime though.
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>> and undocumented people that routinely victimize americans but that is open for debate because the crime stats suggested, in fact, undocumented people are responsible for less crime. they want to stay in the shadows. they avoid trouble because they don't want to be deported here on the other side. here's a stat that they are using. i don't know if this illustrates the point but on average the likelihood of being incarcerated if you're an immigrant is lower. undocumented people have risen in the last decade. the crime rate has plummeted. and it's over two decades. and that's what people on the other side will say.
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in general undocumented people are not responsible for undocumented crimes. >> a lot of people committed a crime by coming into this country illegally in the first place. but again, to site both of my fellow panelists this is going to be a study in unintended consequences when they have been arrested. i don't know how this works practically. >> the only problem with the argument, the absolutist argument that you're making is all enforcement is selected. not everybody who speeds gets a ticket. not everybody that commits assault gets prosecuted. let alone convicted. it's not about having the right to prosecute these people or have them deported on this case it's about whether or not it's right on different levels. >> absolutely. we could ask is this morally
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ethic ethic ethically prudent. but the american people sent a strong signal that this is the direction they want to go and donald trump is going to do that. the problem of course is even if this 90% goes well and pretty effective, a lot of example and soft stories and families that are broken up and the media will cover that so there will be some -- i'm sure this story won't go away any time soon. >> the dreamers will be insulated from this expanded enforcement. they're brought over as children and even teens by their parents. they won't be effected by this. we'll see. >> thank you very much. more to talk to you about. stick around. lawmakers have been getting an ear full at these town hall meetings in their districts. who are these people as they have been put up to it.
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so many republican lawmakers are facing their constituents. here's a little from last night. >> we have in the white house right now the notorious white nationalist as special adviser and president of the united states. i'd like to know your thoughts on that. >> first, i don't speak for the president. >> i want to know how you feel about it. you're our congressman. >> you have to acknowledge that we got too many people on food stamps in kentucky. they're not coming back and now these people don't have the insurance they need because they're poor. if you can answer any of that i'll sit down and shut up like elizabeth warren. >> likes the elizabeth warren
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reference there. >> i want to start with you because you are on the right side of things and donald trump as well as many republicans are trying to suggest that this is not organic. this is not a grass roots feeling that some of these people have been sent by left wing agitators or professional group but when you hear all the anger and sort of points they bring up it sounds as though it's organic ground swell. how do you see what's going on out there? >> fdr used to say nothing happens in politics by accident. they say nothing moves in politics unless it's pushed. that is how things work. is this organized? of course it is. are there liberal agitators and activists tracking down where town hall meetings are and e-mailing and communicating and tweeting hey let's go to this town hall? of course they are.
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that's how it works. that doesn't diminish from this process. it's still perfectly legitimate. people are very fashion gnat about it but this is how politics works. of course it's organized but there's nothing wrong with that. >> another wise man once said quoting weighty words doesn't add weight to an argument. there's nothing quantifiable about this being baked in or this being non-organic. there's a little bit of everything we see. you listen to those accents. if you listen to the raw tapes of where the people are from there's a lot of relationship constituents concerned about real issues. is it a mistake to dismiss it as articles. >> you have to say something. why do 200 people shout down a local republican congressman. they're going to have to get very strategic about this. once the big players get involved and look at what i consider an authentic ground
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swell from a lot of different corners, some people are feminists and union workers and concerned about their health care. lots of reasons people are coming out. what everybody is going to look at is what does this mean for 2018. will the democrats figure out which 24 seats to take control of the house of representatives. that's what is going to very quickly turn into the big players are going to come in and step all over this authentic ground swell. this is what we saw happen in the 2010 election with the tea party. >> some of the senators are trying to be more strategic considering in iowa. she tried to keep it narrow so it wasn't this influx of angry people. it was going to be contained to veterans issues. it didn't work so people were lined up down the hall.
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people are looking for an out fit. >> yeah and they do it at their own pearl. maybe some of this i'm sure is organized. that said and democrats were asked and then they lost the majority. >> this is something that could turn into a bigger movement and republicans shouldn't ignore that and i think the ones that so far handled this the best. and i need to listen to them, whether or not they agree that's their job. their job is to listen to all of their con stitch euns and not the ones that agree with them. >> when you go home it's so much different than d.c. you saw our friend there, she ducks our questions on a regular basis. it's different when you're sitting with a constituent, they put it right back in your face and now it's not about an interview anymore. you have some accountability and
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it's going to be real everywhere, right? and he had well over 2 million people voted against him. >> yeah, absolutely. you go back home in your district and it's people you know. people you might run into on the street. you have to have answers. it's very important. you can have videos of constituents saying things and being rowdy. that won't hurt a politician. what hurts a politician is if they are under pressure and they slip up and say something stupid. >> so if you have a candidate and a john mccain. put them out there. bring on the question. if you have a candidate that's not going to be comfortable with this. they're ducking the town halls. you're going to see different strategies to try to manage this. >> let's talk about the wave of
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antisemitism across the country. bomb threats called into various centers. trying to speak out. yesterday he did speak out about it. so let me play this for you. >> targeting our jewish community and community centers are horrible and harmful and painful and a very sad reminder of the work that still must be done to root out hate and prejudice and evil. >> what does this tell you? that he was listening to people that had to come out at all. >> it's a rare reaction. the public pressure for sure. even his daughter was tweeting sentiments in the way of you can't believe this doesn't exist. there's a quality to that and we saw him at the convention and on
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most issues he says i alone can fix it. i get us 4% growth. i'll take care of isis. everything is going to turn around. somebody ought to do something. so for people that feel very emotions battled and it's a very real feeling, this is not even going to get the ball start. this is literally the bare minimum he could have done and the question still remains why haven't we heard from you before? how come this always escapes your twitter feed. when are you going to do something about this. >> panel thank you very much. >> there's no question the new administration is creating opportunities. the question is what will the democrats do with those opportunities. that comes down to leadership. quick programming note, dana bash and i are going to moderate a primetime debate tonight. they're going to take the party forward. join us tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern only on cnn.
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the murder of kim jong un's half brother has taken a turn. it shows how the assassins poisoned him at an airport. live with the breaking details. what do we know? >> this story gets more and more extraordinary each time we speak. now today for the first time the top police chief here in malaysia explained to us exactly what they believe to have happened in what is now being described as a carefully planned specifically targeted attack on kim jong nam at the airport. how he describes it is the two with the help of four other
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suspects. and this is how he described it. they ran off with their hands in the air to wash them immediately. now there are many layers to this investigation. he also revealed more about the suspects, four north korean suspects believed to have fled the country on the same day of the attack. they believe they are now in the capitol of north korea. they have asked the embassy to help return them and in another twist three more people they want to speak to, two of them, one of them is an airline staff from the north korean airline and another one the second secretary at the north korean embassy. >> what a mystery and the fact that it all played out in public at an airport. thank you for giving us the update. we'll check back with you. police giving the all clear at a houston hospital hours after a
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shooting scare. it was a chaotic scene tuesday following reports of shots being fired. medical personnel evacuated patients on gurney and wheelchairs. s.w.a.t. teams and specially trained dogs searched the facility for two hours and found no evidence of sugar. >> milo yiannopoulos is out at breitbart. he appeared to speak fondly of sex between younger boys and older men including an incident of abuse involving a priest. he is apologizing calling his language imprecise. also cost this guy a book deal and speaking engagement. >> we'll speak more about him later in the program. president trump's top diplomat
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and security chief both heading to mexico today to speak to the mexican president. what can they accomplish there? a closer look, next. es. or here, when you walked away without a scratch. maybe it was the day your baby came home. or maybe the day you realized your baby was not a baby anymore. every subaru is built to earn your trust. because we know what you're trusting us with. subaru. kelley blue book's most trusted brand. and best overall brand. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.
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secretary of state rex tillerson and john kelly are heading south of the border today. they're going to meet with mexico's president and other leaders over the next couple days. even if they are not from that country. joining us now is former did he want assistant and latin america political analyst. we need you this morning. three big points. first what is the potential of these new enforcement measures if they're taken seriously and at the letter of the law and you have a flood of deportations into mexico. what is going to be the major impact? >> it's going to be huge. i have to say right now that this is not making the united states any safer and i know that
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general kelly should know that since he was head of south command and what this is going to do is that you are going to have thousands and thousands of potentially not only mexicans but from other nationalities coming to the u.s. border where there could be increasing violence, a humanitarian crisis and you can imagine the worst case scenario. not only for mexico by the way but also for the united states. the united states needs a safe secure border and you don't get it that way. and are found to be in violation of new parameters and are across. and sending to mexico anyway is there a chance that mexico would refuse to take them. >> mexico is going to have to
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say no for a whole spew of reasons. there's already on the border 10,000 hatians and we don know the numbers could be 5,000, 10,000, and 20,000 cubans trying to cross into the united states. mexico is going to have to say no and the reason why they're going to have to say no is the u.s. solves this problem and once you create this rift not only because of the whole deportation issue but also the way donald trump has been speaking about mexicans and the mexican government the problem that the united states have right now is that the most important national security partner that the united states needs on this issue is mexico and with the memorandum and it is written and it's a strategy which is going to effect mexicans. it clearly is anti-mexican in
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the sense that now they want mexico to sue the responsibility. and i remember cases. i remember cases where the mexican government would intercept ships of chinese in the middle of the sea. pick up the chinese and put them in planes and return them to china. mexico isn't going to do that anymore. >> the main push back is the law. you are a criminal and you are subject to deportation and it's on mexico to keep it's own border. keep it's own citizens under control and if they come in here illegally to get sent back and you have to deal with it because it was your problem in the first place. >> chris, if that was the argument then that would not apply right now. the number of mexicans crossing into the united states has dramatically reduced.
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it's no longer a mexican problem. the people they want to deport are people living in the united states for the last 10 or 15 years and have children in the united states or who have spouses that are american. that is not the security problem the united states should be concerned about. what they're doing now is massive deportations and obviously some of them are going to be mexicans and central americans, chinese and they're going to be from all over the world and want to send them back to mexico and mexico has to say no and if there was a better discussion about this in terms of prioritizing what is a threat to united states national security then you can develop a strategy if that is what the united states -- that's going to be the discussion today and the mexican government and the way it's been attacked by donald trump and the way it's weakened the government is going to have a lot of difficulties and all
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the other issues that have to do with heroin trafficking to the united states and difficult to do. >> and continue animosity and coming down to see him do you think this will be about coming out of this meeting and both sid sides. >> respect they issue this memorandum the day they're coming to mexico. what can you negotiate. respect the way they have been speaking about mexicans and mexican americans, it's difficult to negotiate. and it can weaken your counter part thinking you're going to do something that goes against
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their interest. you can't weaken other governments in order -- this is the worst case scenario. but that memorandum what they did is to weaken u.s. security and not strengthen it. appreciate it. >> a group of ohio voters share their thoughts on president trump's first month in office. what do they think he's accomplished and how about the russia connections? our voter panel, just ahead. what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever?
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calling upon a legendary former player to try to right the ship. more on the magic touch. what am i talking about? >> that's right allison. magic johnson is taking over his president of basketball operation for the los angeles lakers. now one of the nba's most successful franchises currently have the third worst record in the nba and they missed the playoffs for three years in a row. yesterday he said he has his
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sights set on the future. >> it's not about what i did when i played. and come in and tell them old stories about show time its not about that. it's about them t new lakers, it's about having a clear direction and a clear strategy. >> now magic called his new role a dream job. he won five nba championships and played his entire hall of fame career for the show time lakers so hopefully he can get things turned around in lala land and finally a minor league hockey team requiring over the weekend and it's hung upside down and hoisting it up in the rafters just like that and good news is they got it right. they ended up fixing it. and not upside down. >> i take it anyway i can get
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heart land. we were inside the lady's gallery inside the ohio state house and our discussion centered on foreign policy, russia and whether there's any chance of uniting this divided country. >> are you comfortable with the idea that some of us would be dealing with the russians during the campaign and before he was installed in the presidency? >> it's the old rule that 80% of the things you worry about never happen. we probably get over excited about a lot of these things and probably it's nothing most of the time. look at our history. it's been that way. it's not the only thing that's ever happened. >> not a big deal to you. >> not a big deal to me. >> keep them under the radar. they're supposed to be talking to these people. >> does anybody here remember the shoe and i will destroy you from the inside? is that lost or because it's not our generation that we don't
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remember that? >> what do you mean by that? >> russia told us they were going to destroy us from the inside. they are a snake. >> sure. >> so keep your friends close and your enemies closer. we have been doing that over the years and i could see how you would want to go ahead and increase communications with them but that is a slow careful process not let's get in bed with russia. i don't want to be buddy, bud dui the bad guy. >> i don't think we are. >> >> i am doing a business deal with you if we hate each other we get nowhere but if we converse -- >> have you ever played a game with yourself called what if hillary clinton did it. >> i do it all the time both
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sides. >> it's an interesting game so if you said what is hillary clinton's national security adviser before she was installed in the white house. >> i would call for an investigation. >> why are you so calm about it. >> i'm on either side. are you calling for an investigation with mr. trump as well. >> sure. i don't have a problem with it. >> if huma abadeen were in the same situation you'd say people have back room conversations, what's the big deal. >> i'm more of a facts person. just speculating. we did hear they have transcripts of his calls so there's not any funky stuff they don't know about going on but once the facts come out, that's what we run with.
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>> and if there was something where he was saying oh well these sanctions, then we should be disappointed and we think differently? >> i'm all for doing the right thing. he already re-signed. i agree with that. >> the whole thing with trump i want to do the right thing you got behind the guy that yelled the loudest and made the best show. he didn't say anything when he was running and he's not saying anything now. i would like to sit back and be calm and listen. >> but at the end of the day it seems like when someone on the right does something wrong there's an automatic assumption that they're wrong and that there was evil motive there and
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if you look at the course of the last 10 or 20 years it's gotten even worse. >> do you guys ever play that mental game of what if barrack obama did this, what if hillary clinton did this? what if hillary clinton's national security adviser had conversation with the russian ambassador. wouldn't you say she's making an overtour to a foreign dignitary. >> i would be very upset. >> you would. >> i was not even happy with all the things obama did. i was not like oh obama for everything. i would be livid if i found out that she did something too. i try hard to look at things from all sides. this is what i think is part of the issue. >> i don't know that i'm right and you don't either. >> we only know what we know. >> we have to begin to say to each other i don't know. i believe x, y, z but i don't know and i want to have the humility enough to listen. if we keep saying i'm right and
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you're wrong or you have to be wrong, we can both be right and we can be wrong and until we overcome that and we say i don't know how to address these issues but i'm going to use my mind and my heart equally and have compassion and empathy for the human being and the planet, nothing changes. >> how are you left feeling? when you see the division in this setting and you see the division in the country, what do you think is going to happen? >> i'm cautiously optimistic. he did say he was going to unite america and it appears to me that the majority of america has united against his agenda and is starting to mobilize in a way we have never seen before. >> where does it leave these guys? in other words if you're
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marching all the time against president trump then what about the 44% of the country that thinks that he's doing a great job? what do you do about these guys? >> that's the question i have been asking everyone that i come across. >> million dollar question really? and that's why we need to have this dialogue. >> how do you feel? do you feel that there's any -- do you feel like trying to find common ground? or do you feel like giving up because you don't have a lot of common ground with them? >> i personally have tons of friends from all walks of life, we get along. i think there's just too big of an anti-trump band wagon going on now. we have to give him a little bit of a chance here. it's gone a little crazy. >> what do you think in terms of the division? is this what we live with now? >> he ran on make america great again. one i've always thought america was great before. i think we're still great. i think we're just getting better and the world is now
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seeing what america really is and that is that when we see something that isn't lined up with what we believe then we have the right to stand up. the world will see. the world will see. >> your thoughts. >> i think that it's early. >> it is early. it feels as if it's been longer than a month but it's a month. >> it's early. the president has presented a lot of challenges to himself by what he says and what he does. he's provocative and confrontational and often doesn't have the facts on his side so he's been getting beat up but it is early. one thing that was interesting there. that guy saying he is unifying. he has to be careful about that. galvanizing his own resistance. >> that's how many democrats feel and that leaves the other side out again but in any event we'd love to hear your thoughts on all of this. tweet us using the #new day cnn
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