tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN February 22, 2017 6:00pm-7:01pm PST
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breaking news on the long-anticipated new travel ban from the white house and when it could arrive. and the pulling back of federal protections for transgender students. sarah murray joins us now from the white house. what's the latest we're hearing from the administration tonight? >> reporter: what this administration has effectively done is rolled back these directives that came from the obama administration saying that transgender students should be able to choose whatever bathroom they choose. what trump said is this is an issue left to the states, not the federal government. i want to review the statement put out tonight. as president, trump has clearly stated that he regards policy regarding transgender bathrooms should be decided at the state level. the joint decision made today by
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the department of justice and department of education paves the way for an open and include sieve process to at thattic place at the local level and input from students and teachers. it rolls back the directives. this does not mean that students don't have any rights or means to protect themselves from bullying or discrimination. >> there's also news on the travel restrictions. >> reporter: right, we had been expecting a new travel ban from the administration. the one they ruled out had been blocked out by the court. now we are being told by an administration official that it's not going to be coming until next week. maybe early in the week. maybe midweek, and sean spicer earlier today in his briefing said essentially, this new executive order is done. they're just finalizing the guidance to the agencies. it seems like they do want to make sure that when they roll
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this within out they have dotted all the is and crossed all the ts. that's something that was not done on the first ban which caused widespread chaos in airports and not stuck in the courts. rex tillerson arrived in mexico to hold meetings. he will be joined by homeland security secretary john kelly. they arrive against the backdrop of the new administration directives, plans to expand the border wall and more. what kind of reception awaits them? laleh joins us from mexico city. >> reporter: today we heard the foreign minister for the first time give a reaction to that. and he basically said, look, mexico does not have to accept any measures unilaterally imposed by one country on mot r another country. and that is him directly responding to the dhs memos released yesterday.
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and he said you can bet that that will be a topic of discussion with tillerson, with kelly, who, by the way, tillerson, and the foreign minister here in mexico are having dinner right now. there is one mexican senator saying hey, they're not welcome here. the secretaries are not welcome here, the wall's not welcome here, mass deportations not welcome here. and we were on border two days ago and talked to two gentlemen who said it doesn't matter what donald trump does, if he builds one wall, two walls, three walls, they still plan to cross just to get to their families in the united states. >> i interviewed the mexican foreign minister a few weeks ago, he knows tillerson well. they had a relationship when tillerson was in the oil business. do they know what they will be talking about with members of the mexican government? >> reporter: given the response this morning, we know
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immigration will be key for the mexican government. but realso heard him today say nafta was a big deal. that's not really anything that's new. that free-trade agreement between canada, mexico and the u.s. is something mexico has been pushing ever since president trump said that it was one of the worst deals signed in u.s. history. and they always, mexico always pushes the fact that they need each other. mexico and the u.s. really depend on that trade. you have billions of jobs in the u.s. that depend on trade with mexico. you have $1.5 billion average, on average, of trade that crosses that border every day. now on the u.s. side, we know that tillerson and kelly plan to discuss border security, immigration, as well as the economy and trade. so those are the big topics that we know for sure they will be talking about tomorrow. >> all right, laleh santiago, thank you from mexico city.
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millions of people back home are facing prospects of potential deportation. their relatives, many of whom are citizens are living with the possibility their families could be divided. a democratic congressman represents new york's 13th district and serves on the house foreign affairs committee. we spoke just before airtime. congressman, a lot of people who support what president trump is proposing say look, this is just enforcing the laws, enforcing the laws that already exist. >> it's really much more than that. it's really about who we are as nation. it's really expediting removal of immigrants, submittiplitting families. >> you think this is a huge expansion. >> no question, no question. >> the people close to it say this expands the idea of who's broken the haw. t -- law. this goes after the law.
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>> is it jumping the turnstile? i believe that the guidelines provided yesterday do not provide now specific details as to how the law's going to be enforced. they don't say they're going to go into a church, arrest outside a church as the congregation gets to greet the priest. are they going to follow a yellow school bus to the school to see the parents waiting for children and round them up there, are they going to take caregivers away, people who care for the children, the elderly, the frail, are they going to be impacted because they have no documents? so the details have not been laid out. it sets the hounds loose after yes, ma' immigrants. i think it's going to harm our nation and create havoc and panic. >> are you hearing people
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calling your office with fears and questions? >> people are afraid. even people with green cards that are legitimately here. >> why would somebody with a green card. >> because they don't know if they look a certain way, if they pray to a certain god, they hey be caug -- may be caught up in the friend sieve a frenzy of all this. >> it could not be any more personal. it strikes me, it hurts me, as an american, it hurts me. >> how old were you, how old were you when were your family -- >> i was 9 years old. i was a young boy. we came here, we overstayed our visa. >> like a lot of -- >> like a lot of folks did. and my paints arents are workins people, just wanted the best for their family. my grand parents were already here. they paved the way for us. we had a safety with our grand
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paint parents. >> you eventually, you went back. >> we went back, yes. >> to get a green card. >> had we not gotten it, we would have been stuck there in a civil war in the middle of the '60s. >> to those who hear your story and say well, your family went back and got the green card and came back. why can't everybody do that? >> not everybody has a safety net. not everybody has a set of grandparents have green cards who worked in factories and were able to sponsor us and submit an affidavit so we can get our green cards and come here. >> thank you so much. something the former sheriff babeu mentioned, administration guidelines aim to end a practice that would otherwise take you to the border. later, we'll take you to a republican town hall and tensions are running high. ervic! ma'am. this isn't a computer...
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welcome back. president trump promised big changes on immigration. on one member, catching and releasing illegal immigrants and letting them go. we have a reality check. >> reporter: if catch and release is ended, you wouldn't know it here. these people have been caught crossing the border and have now been released into the united states. it took these central americans on this bus say they either swam or rafted across the rio grand.
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they were apprehended, but then? released to catholic charity volunteers and taken to the mcallen greyhound station where relatives in different parts of the country have bought bus tickets for them. rosa is eight months pregnant and is from el salvador and will be staying with an aunt in. >> houston. >> reporter: houston, texas. he will be staying in austin. she is going to tulsa. you and your baby came by yourself from guatemala? you were scared? yes, very scared she was. and here she is in the united states for the first time. they enter a local catholic church before the bus rides across the country. [ applause ] >> reporter: and a warm ovation from volunteers greets them.
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they're here for food, clothing and showers after their harrowing journeys. p 30-year-old miriam says she paid $4,000 to smugglers. her husband is still at home in el salvador and makes the equivalent of $4,000 a year as a barber. her kids can't go to school anymore because the gangs are too dangerous, they stalk her house. they've been fitted with ankle monitors and ordered to appear in front of an immigration judge. everyone claims they will make this court appearances. jose paid a smuggler all he had to pay to get him and his daughter here. he knows about donald trump and interestingly agrees in part with him. criminals should be sent back for security reasons, but he says he and so many others are hard workers, adding, i want to work and improve the life of my
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kids. h this sister leads the effort. >> it's important to know who enters the country but do it in a way that is humane and we give them a fair chance. >> reporter: their new lives in america now about to begin with crucial challenges and decisions ahead of them. perhaps the most immediate decision whether to indeed show up for their court hearings. they board the gray hound buses in complete exhaustion and with uncertainty about their futures, especially with this new american president on the job. >> gary joins us now from near the u.s./mexico border. what still has to happen before the trump administration can end the so-called catch and release? >> reporter: well, anderson, as we see, it certainly hasn't come to an end. the immigration memo the trump administration sent out was yesterday. we shot this story after the memo came out yesterday afternoon and last night. and you see what happened.
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what the trump administration is saying it has to do, still, is hire more border patrol and ice agents and also increase the number of deteps center facilities, but perhaps the hardest thing to do will be to convince mexico to take many of these people. many of these people are not from mexico, they have nothing to do with mexico. they were in mexico before they got to the united states. the trump administration wants mexico to take some of these people, and that may be one of the most difficult things to do. the panel's back with us. kiersten powers, anna navar owe. isn't the administration on firm ground, enforcing laws that are already on the books? >> it's going to come done to the detail and how it gets implemented. and what you see a bunch of frenetic raids going on around the country, you're going to have a lot of problems. you don't just round up millions of people who are living, who
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are working, who are our neighbors, students, part of american society and think that it's not going to cause chaos, that there's not going to be a backlash. we saw it with the muslim ban. if it's into the immembered correctly, if they go overboard like the muslim ban, you're going to see backlash all across this country. i have full faith and confidence in the american people that if they start seeing their friends, their children's friends, their children children's parents' friends, if they start seeing students, their employees, mrtheir employers, doctors rounded up, families divided, i have the full faith and confidence in the american people that they will rise up and demand that congress get off their fence finally, for once and for all and pass some legislation. >> kayleigh, the people who oppose what president trump has proposed say essentially that criminals were already being
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targeted for deportation, you know, the obama administration had a policy of going after hardened criminals. >> right, but there were also criminal illegal immigrants released into society under the obama administration. in fact, it was to the tune of 19,000 in 2015 alone. hook, i agree with ana entirely to the extent that most illegal imfrapts in this country are hard-working people like you saw in that piece, the father who wants a better life for his daughter, but we forget about another population of people, and that is victims of imgrant crimes, like sabine who lost the life of her son dominick at the hands of an imgrant who was not supposed to be here, who was deported to guatemala and came back in and she lost her son's life. this immigration executive order, we left it this out of this, creates an office for those individuals who are american citizens who have a right to life and want to gather
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information on an illegal immigrant and in some cases, they murdered. >> it's a tragic case. we want to punish that person. we want to drive them out. the migration policy institute says there are 300,000 felons undocumented in this country, we should target them and deport them. that's what president obama was doing, he was the deportation president. he was very tough on this. and what mr. trump is doing is use scare tactics to incite fear. >> no. >> excuse me, this animals representative of that whole population. it's like saying dillen roylann a right ring white guy. >> when you have 108 people with murder convictions wireleased io
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the society. >> for that we're going to deport 11 million people. >> does this go too far? does this broaden the definition of who's a criminal? does it open it up that anybody, a local police officer, a state police officer, member of ice, it's really up to them to decide who they want to deport and who they don't. >> they will have a little more discretion under the new memos. the key is, the overarching theme of this is the safety and security of the american people and to enforce existing laws. they're simply giving the agents on the ground to enforce existing laws, and as gary mentioned, with regard to ending catch and release, which is a big proponent of this, it will take time. one of the memos says we need to hire 5,000 border agents, ice agents. they're going after criminals and people who already have deportation papers on the books. >> the argument that you hear from mayors or law enforcement is that the concern is somebody
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who's been the victim of domestic violence, a woman who is undocumented isn't going to feel comfortable pressing charges against her abuser, because she's afraid the judge might call up ice and have her deported. >> and also, if you're a person who doesn't care about that woman, let's just assume there's some people ots hear who don't, who might say i don't care. and out of self-interest consider the fact that there are people who won't report crime that happens in your neighborhood. people who are a witness of trim. i talked to an immigration lawyer yesterday who said she had a client, someone broke into her house and held her at gun point, and she's an undocumented immigrant and she did not report it. that's a crime that did not get reported. when there's a crime, people aren't going to want to talk to the police. i think there is an impact on everybody. and this thing kelly you keep doing where you're proper trying undocumented immigrants as somehow being a menace to
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society. that we're supposed to be living in fear of them somehow. it's such a small number of people, and, as paul said, really law-abiding people overall. it's just demonizing this entire group of people. >> that's not true. >> over a few tragic, tragic incidents. >> listen, kiersten, to correct the record, the first statement out of my mouth was most legal immigrants are good, hardworking people. >> why are you talking about anomalies? >> it is not an anomaly. do you think kate steinle's father thought it was an anomaly? >> it's a tragedy. do you support legal immigration? >> of course i do. of course. >> do you know there's some legal immigrants who kill sneak. >> -- people? >> what i care about is people who lose their life, it matters to sabine derden. >> listen, honestly, this is a
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ridiculous discussion here. nobl, i don nobody. i don't know a single immigrant, legal or illegal, who advocates a heinous crime to stay here. if you come here seeking a better life and you take advantage of it and you do something terrible, get kicked out. nobody is arguing about this. what we're arguing about is that the person who runs the red light, the people who gets a speeding ticket, what is going to be a crime here? and who is going to be prosecuted. if those are the people who get rounded up, you're going to see a huge backlash. >> if somebody runs a red light and they're undocumented, should they be deported? >> those are questions that are going to come up on a case by case basis. as sean spicer indicated, ice eights will have discretion at that time. >> is that worrying to you that it just depends on the luck of the draw what police officer that person happens to have been
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pulled over by? >> they've said this before. in recent rates they've had, unfortunately, there are going to be some people in the wrong place at the wrong time, and they're executing warrants for these people, and they will be apprehended because they're illegal. >> i think the idea you where i up of unintended consequences, somebody runs a red light. they have a family here, they get deported. then you have kids growing up without a father, does that have unintended consequences? >> or a person who came here when they were 4 years old, they're being sent back to a country they've never been to. they're being september home because of one mistake. they charge people with felonies for small things, whether it's smalling a small amount of marijuana. they've had the supreme court slap them down three times for overcharging felonies. they don't need more authority.
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they need to be reined in a little bit. you are going to have people who lived here their whole lives, made a mistake, sold some pot, got deported. his wife and child now live here without the father. is this really what we want to do? >> we're going to leave the conversation there. everyone stick around, though. coming up, the democratic leadership debate is coming up in about a half hour. also republican lawmakers in tense town halls across the country. why the anger's poiling over, and what the white house is saying. you wouldn't believe what's in this kiester. a farmer's market. a fire truck. even a marching band. and if i can get comfortable talking about this kiester, then you can get comfortable using preparation h. for any sort of discomfort in yours. preparation h. get comfortable with it.
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well, tonight, we saw another night of town halls across the country in which republican lawmakers faced anger from their constituents. president trump has tweeted that in some cases these were planned out by liberal activists. kim law tonight reports. >> reporter: the growing, grassroots tide of public outrage against congress, visceral and visible in town halls across the country. >> everybody stand and place your hand over your heart. >> do your job!
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>> i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america. and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible with justice and liberty for all. >> do your job! >> reporter: white house press secretary of state sean spicer explaining what the administration believes is behind this. >> i think some people are clearly upset, but there is a bit of professional protester manufactured base in there. >> are you a political operative? >> absolutely not. i'm a nurse. i'm a mom. i've never contacted my congress person for this. >> reporter: we met a professional nurse, but not a professional protester. after the election, she founded a local group called utah indivisible. >> do your job! do your job! >> reporter: and did this at jason chaffetz's town hall. it was so packed about 1,000
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people couldn't get inside. and about the crowds, the white house calling them loud and small. but from utah to louisiana, we saw large, passionate crowds with pointed questions. >> with or without this in place. >> and so. >> will you vote to repeal obamacare with or without this in place. >> if i can finish. >> please answer the question. >> answer the question! >> answer the question! >> yes or no! yes or no! yes or no! >> do your job! >> now, now. >> everybody here! 2020, you're going. reporter: these constituents maintain they do represent their district, in virginia, wearing stickers with their zip codes. >> i think it's a desperate attempt to delegitimize what they must most definitely perceive to be a powerful grassroots movement. >> reporter: so how did it
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begin? the local groups are following this, the indivisible guide, written by former congressional aids based on 2009 day party actions made against their bosses. >> are you making money? >> no, their is not a money-making venture. >> reporter: he is the only full-ful full-time employee, he just left his job and is not being paid. they wrote it shortly after the election and it has become viral. viewed 15 million times. people call them professional protesters at their own peril. >> it's sad that they would make that claim without now evidence at all. bottom line, these are their constituents. members of congress. these are folks who feel really strongly about the direction of the country. >> what have you found surprising about the town halls that you've been to? >> reporter: really, the level of personal engagement, how
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personally invested everyone is, especially about issue, really, anderson are so far away, like trump and his taxes, russia, trump's possible involvement with russia, again, so far away, they take it personally, when they hear things like sean spicer what he said today, when the president tweets about them, they are deeply, personally insulted. we heard that again and again. it's frankly making these town halls more heated. >> thank you. he's been called one of the masterminds of tea party politics, and paul begala. and i was told in the last hour, that while they think the protesters are let, they' protesters are legitimate e
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angr, angry. >> i think it's organic, there are big organizations that pay organizers to do community organizing, that's what they do, but this looks very real to me. it's a lot of frustrated democrats and progressives who don't like the outcome of the election. i think it's wrong to dismiss it as not real. but i think it's also wrong to not let members of congress respond when questions are asked. >> obviously, you shouldn't shout down anybody. it's interesting. in comparisons with the tea party, i'm wondering what you make of those comparisons. early on, there were a lot of democrats saying the tea party was top down, astroturf, paid protesters. ? it's almost like bizarro world. i'm laughing, because now the democrats are making all the arguments the tea partiers used to make. we were called astroturf. but the tea party was very
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bottom-up, very underfunded. and it was powerful balls ecaus that. people forget that the tea party specifically targeted a lot of republican town halls as well. most of 2009 was spent beating the republicans before we could beat the democrats. i think this looks more partisan, and i think it also, it's sort of trying to figure out what issue these protests are going to latch onto without that sort of level of cohesion and commitment. i don't know where these things go exactly. >> that's interesting. paul, what about that? it does seem like the one commonality. it's anti-trump. it seems like, dislike with trump. >> matt's exactly right. he would know. he literally helped create the tea party. i've been doing this, i don't know, 30 years. i have never seen grassroots democrats energized like this. not during clinton impeachment, when move on.org started.
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not when people like me thought bush stole the election in 2000, not even during obamacare when president obama was mocked or being accused of not being a marijuan american, i've never seen this. >> that doesn't take away you're saying from the genuineness of the people coming out. >> right, and matt's right. democrats, my friends in the obama white house were saying the same things that the trump white house is saying now. and i hope the trump people keep saying, mr. spicer is exactly right. this is nothing, this is nothing to worry about, go about your business. just like the obama people said, it's the evil koch brothers. it's astroturf. it's real, and in a democracy, this is a beautiful thing. >> what is the danger of viewing it through that lens of astroturf of just paid organizers? >> i think it's a mistake to not understanding what's going on, and i think this is a paradigm
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shift that trump and the tea party are part of as well. politics are more democratized. i think this is normal. you're going to see more apomorph th apomorand more of this. one defended holding town hall meetings in response to donald trump, saying these are citizens too. we should listen. and respond. as long as they're respectful, i'm going to respect them. >> we have seen some cancel town hall meetings. >> never works. barbara comstock, virginia district, very vulnerable. hillary clinton did well there. she's having teletown hall meetings. a staffer screens them. it's just as fair as the rush limbaugh show.
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you should engage these folks, and you win points for just the endurance. >> i saw chuck grassley in iowa. he got hammered. but, you know, he too it, ak iti think he quite rightly said, if mrs. clinton had won, i'd hear from are the other side. there are 23 house republicans who hold districts that hillary clinton carried. the democrats only need 2 h4 to take over the house. it's not a perfect match. so there could be, could be a 2010 type of wave beginning here. >> so matt, how do you, in terms of the tea party, how they did it, how does this go from just being, you know, people mobilized, coming out, yelling at their congress people or their senators to affecting change at the ballot box which was what the tea party was able to do. it moved from these town hall meetings to actually running candidates. >> if the goal is political,
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obviously, they're targeting republican congress men in their town halls, that's one thing, but i do think they need to figure out what their agenda is. they need to find a unifying set of principles and issues they want to focus on. is it health care? something else? just being anti-trump i don't think is enough to sustain an organic social movement. if this is just a means of building a get-out-to-vote machine for the next election, maybe that works. we'll see, i don't think that's enough. >> do you agree with that? >> i do. and as circumstances develop, you will see them coalescing, back in 1963, dr. king had people marching for jobs and justice. and they had an agenda. and i think that's very important. this is, it's just beginning. and so, yes, some people are upset about the ties to russia, and other people upset about losing their health insurance, i think organically, you can correct me if i'm wrong, but organically, they will come to settle on more tight focussed
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agenda, but they've only had one month so far. >> by that, you're saying just dislike of donald trump is not enough. >> a key difference, we protested first against george w. bush's bailout with wall street. and we didn't show up request obama until he started proposing policies. these protests really started on inauguration day. and i think it that's a difference, and i wonder if just being partisan against the guy in office is enough. i don't think it is. >> interesting. i appreciate you being on as always. just ahead, a 2-year-old iraqi boy badly burned in a refugee camp, brought to the u.s. for treatment, finally reunited with his family. what it took for his parents to get him here. we'll be right back.
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well, as we said, the new timeline for president trump's new executive order on travel restrictions is early to mid next week. for now, travel from seven countries including iraq is suspended. an update on one family's struggle to be together again. and now the moment they've waited so long for, dr. sanjay
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gupta has more. >> reporter: nearly four months, three visa rejections and now more than a full day of travel, they arrive in boston from northern iraq to finally reunite with their 2-year-old son. i first met deli a few weeks ago, stranded and being cared for by a compassionate stranger. tonight she and deli are waiting for mom and dad at a nearby hotel. >> i'm excited. i want to see his parents, but at the same time, sad, because i won't have him. you know, he's been the center of my life over the last three and a half months. >> reporter: this is what their last precious moments together looked like. you see, when she agreed to care for deli, she had no idea if this day would ever come. the young parents are reduced to tears. overcome with emotion at seeing their son again. this isn't a video chat. this is real. they can touch him, hug him,
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kiss him. >> translator: thank god we're all together again. it's really hard to stay away from your child when they're healthy, let alone, he was burned. >> it's kind of a bit surreal, really. i didn't know what to expect. >> reporter: sally becker runs road to peace, that's the charity that brought deli to the united states for medical care after he was burned at a fire in a refugee camp. >> i was afraid he might reject his mom, because i was told some children do, and it's been a long time, but he completely accepted them. and it it's as if they've never been away now. >> reporter: and a lot has changed since they've been separated. she gave birth to another baby boy the day after the u.s. election. they decided to name him trump, in recognition of the care they received at an american hospital. brothers from other sides of the world, meeting for the first time, under extraordinary
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circumstances. >> translator: long his surgeries are done and he gains his health back, we don't want anything else. >> reporter: shriners hospital says deli will need multiple operations to improve the function of his face. they're going to focus on the scarring around his eyes and reconstruct his nose. also, here's an important point. as soon as deli's treatment is complete, dad insists the family plans to head straight back to iraq. >> translator: we don't know anyone here, don't speak the language. we are like blind and deaf people here. we want to go back and live among our own people. >> reporter: but not before little deli has left an indelible mark on everyone he meets. >> you know, he just, he really has made me a better person. it's been like the most meaningful thing of my life. >> success i can sum up with one
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word, and that's deli, you only have to look at him, so happy to be back with his mom and dad and his baby brother. this little boy is going to be find. >> reporter: so anderson, a good ending there for deli and his family. he's not out of the woods yet, he needs about another year of operations. there are about 100 other kids waiting for similar type of care. it's unclear what exactly is going to happen to them. >> a long road for them. coming up, the future of the democratic party, dnc contenders about to take the stage. to esurance could save hundreds. so if you switch to esurance, saving is a pretty safe bet. auto and home insurance for the modern world. esurance. an allstate company. click or call. what ever happened to theo say, "handling"?ing and handling"? i do all the handling. can you handle this laptop before we ship it, nick? there's free shipping,
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because food is better when you start from scratch. blue apron. this saturday the democratic national committee meets in atlanta and elects a new chair. before that on cnn eight contenders for that chair are going to debate. future of the democratic party at very uncertain time. >> we've got to organize, organize, organize. >> democrats are a party in search of direction and new leader to help guide them. >> we've got a fight ahead of us. got to come together. enter these eight candidates battling it out to be the next
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chair. >> we need chairman to inspire, make sure talk to entire big tent of our party to bring us together. >> outcome could send a huge signal on where the democratic party goes from here. >> win elections and get the majority back. >> two front runners a proxy war between the standards and clinton factions of the party. in one corner tom perez served in obama and clinton administrations with the backing of establishment democrats like biden. and rolling out heads of four caucuses. other corner, keith ellison, more progressive wing of the party backed by senator bernie sanders. >> i think it's time to take rer reassessment of where the democratic party is and where needs to go. need to be grassroots, what keith ellison believes.
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>> and preparing to debate on cnn, neither candidate has the race locked. presenting opportunity for others like jaime harrison, and pete buttigieg, it's helped their outsider status and potentially alter the race. >> i believe the dnc needs a fresh start and i can deliver it. >> buttigieg picking up endorsement today. >> this party is in trouble. >> relegated to minority status in the trump era, reeling after big loss in november and majorities in house and senate before that. >> it's a contest of ideas as to which direction to take the party. after every single loss, political party that loses goes and does retrospective, what happened? where did we make a mistake, go wrong? >> new leader will help define
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the course correction. >> party has issues and let us not for a moment shrink from the knowledge there is no majority for trumpism in america. >> needs to turn around to take the white house in 2020. cnn washington. >> talk about where the democratic party is going with commentators. lang, maria, you both have candidates you feel strongly about. paul you don't. why not? >> i want to stay out it of. party needs to sort this out for itself. this is a time for grassroots activism. i ran a superpac so i'm out of that. anyway i want to see what grassroots is serving up. >> you think that's what is coming? >> 3 million people in the street the day after the inauguration opposing the new
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president, there's energy on the democratic side. if it were in the party rules to elect a flamethrower as chair would do it. >> you're backing jaime harrison, what are you looking for? what do you want in dnc chair? >> one of the things i love the most about jaime harrison is he's a former congressional staffer. obviously i'm biased as hill staffer but you learn a unique form of hustle. he was floor director and in charge of whipping votes. gathering votes. same thing he has to do in this race. we've run afoul of what the party needs to be with a face person. he's a work horse. that's what we need. >> there's perception there's not a deep bench for the democratic party and it's in disarray. >> that's certainly what the opponents of the democratic
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party will say and democratic party certainly has challenges but i like to think this is incredible time of opportunity. back to paul's point, incredible energy out there, something i haven't seen since i started back working with dnc in chairman ron brown in early '90s, not seen this engagement and enthusiasm and that comes from losing and losing badly and heart wrenching loss that we suffered in november but also leads to incredible opportunities to make sure the party is listening to everybody. that's what i think the candidates are going to talk tonight about. i'm backing tom perez. i think would be thrilling for me to see the first latino chair head the democratic party. he's somebody that works and lives and can walk in so many worlds. but i think we have a plethora of riches anderson. we have tremendous candidates out there to lead the democratic
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party forward. >> how big impact does the dnc chair have? >> when you're out of power the chairman matters a lot. reince priebus got where he is because they were out of power. matters a lot for the democrats. has to do what angela talked about, be the work horse. put together 9 mechanics and put in position to win. for too long democrats looked for savior from the top and i loved president obama and voted for him and we lost nearly a thousand seats. weakest state level since the '20s, got to build from the grassroots up. good chairman, we should have a counter how many work from there. that's what i'm looking for.
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>> lot to be done. one of the priorities is fundraising. spend time in states and communities and in unique way raising dollars from small level donors. type of thing we saw energize bernie supporters in unique way. lose that ground. this person has to spend a lot of time bridging that divide. maria said is good opportunity but remiss if didn't acknowledge the substantial divide in the party. one says identity politics is okay, other doesn't. some say with bernie and others still with hillary. bridging that divide, someone has to be capable of that as well. >> maria in terms of the power this person will have to really bring in? >> it's incredibly important. to paul's point, especially a chairperson when a party is out of power, going to be seen on
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the level of the leader of the democrats in the house and senate. that other voice of the grassroots out there. that's incredibly i powerful position to be in. i worked for ron brown and terry mccullough it's very important. time to turn over to dana bash and chris cuomo for the democratic leader debate. all right. live from cnn center in atlanta, this is cnn's debate night. democratic leadership debate. i'm chris cuomo. >> and i'm dana bash. this is the final debate before democrats choose who will lead their party in the era of donald trump. th
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