tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN February 24, 2017 5:00pm-6:01pm PST
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author j.k. rowi ling repeated it. >> pretty sure the goose neck would give the secret service goose bumps. jeanne motimos, cnn, new york. i'm poppy harlow, have a great weekend, "a.c. 360" begins right now. good evening, thank you for joining us, two big stories tonight, more reporting on contact between the white house and the fbi surrounding the investigation into alleged contact between the trump campaign and russia. new details and concerns with the white house about the story. and also the white house taking a swipe at us and a number of media organizations that brought that report to light. trump lashed out at cnn for using unnamed sources, he said today, nobody loves the first amendment more than me, while again calling the press enemies of the people
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we begin with the fbi story in russia. jim sciuto broke it for us last night. he's got more right now. jim, what's the latest? >> reporter: tonight the white house vehemently defending, denying reports that -- the administration's intense push back following cnn's exclusive reporting of that request, senior administration officials insisting that it only asked for the denial after a top fbi official himself volunteered that the "new york times" story on the communications was inaccurate. i should note, the white house is not disputing cnn's reporting, which spes fighted these communications during the campaign between russian officials and representatives of donald trump, with russian intelligence, we did not say russian intelligence specifically. that is what the white house is disputing. >> the "new york times" story is what the white house has been calling out.
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>> reporter: the conversation happened february 15, this after a 7:30 a.m. meeting led by white house chief of staff reince priebus. the fbi deputy director andrew mccabe asked priebus for we're told five minutes alone after the meeting end, according to administration officials, and called a report, this being the "new york times" report, linking campaign advisors to russian intelligence, in his words, quote, total bs. and asked mccabe whether we can do anything about it, what the fbi can to do set the record straight. they told priebus that the fbi cannot comment on the reports, priebus then asked if he could cite mccabe in pushing back on the stories in tv interviews on sunday and that's exactly what he did. >> this is unusual, correct?
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>> reporter: it is. direct communications between the white house and the fbi, unusual, there are decades old restrictions on some contact. donald trump tweeted today, the fbi totally unable to stop the national security leakers that have permeated our government for a long time. they can't even find the leakers within the fbi itself. this could have a devastating effect an the u.s. by now. in the midst of all this media criticism, the white house is not denying the essence of the story, which is that there were communications between advisors to trump and russians and russians known to u.s. intelligence during the time that russia was interfering in the election, and that's really the story. more now on this story from inside the white house, cnn's sarah murray has the story and joins us now. what can you tell us about how
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all of this is playing out in the white house at the moment? >> reporter: it's been a very interesting day here in the white house, they have been denying the notion that reince priebus has done anything wrong. but there is a little bit of consternation, a little bit of heartburn about these communications between priebus and senior officials over at the fbi. this person said this is the kind of distraction the president really does not need right now, he wants to be focused on his top line agenda items and he's grown frustrated with these staff stories. now in reality, this played out in sort of an odd fashion at the white house today, where white house press secretary sean spicer opted to hold a gaggle this afternoon with some reporters, but rather than just having a pool, a small group of reporters, the white house decided to just cherry pick the news organizations they wanted to let in, they chose news outlets that have more favorable
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coverage of the president and excluded cnn, the "new york times," politico and others, no response to my question to why they felt the need to cherry pick those reporters. >> the former senior official and cnn political analyst, carl bernstein, who has a little bit of experience on reporting on the fbi. but there are gooiuidelines abo communications between the white house and the fbi. if reince me bus because told by the fbi that-cnn did not report cam pain ties to russian intelligence, campaign ties to those known to russian intelligence, there's a difference. can you blame priebus for wanting to get that out there?
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the flip side is, the white house and the fbi aren't supposed to be talking about oninvestigations. >> if hillary clinton did this, there would be calls from the white house for an investigation for criminal actions and perhaps possible impeachment, though that might be exaggerated, that's what would probably happen. second of all, what we don't have out of this white house is a real explanation, from the trump campaign, the trump administration or anybody else connected with the president, including the president himself about his dealings with russia, his business dealings in that part of the world, his finances. this is a huge story, it is the subject of two congressional investigations, an fbi investigation and the press is investigating and one of the reasons we are watching donald trump make the conduct of the press the issue in this country instead of the conduct of donald trump, the president of the united states, is because they are not cooperating.
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they are stonewalling, i don't know why, but we're seeing a side show here about the press, got the first amendment, when there's information the president could give us, his taxes, and things that could easily be given. >> do you feel like the gaggle of press today was an effort to detract from this fbi story? carl? >> oh, yes, i do. but again, i think the larger thing is that donald trump is a creature of media. his whole career and professional life has been based on a media frenzy of his creation, he's a master man lip lator, and we're watching it. we have so many stories up in the air we can't keep track of them. and i think that's what donald
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trump wants, he wants to make the conduct of the press, as i say, the real issue that will divide the country, appeal to his base, keep republicans in line, i'm not at all sure it's going to work in the long run, because he has no interest in the truth whatsoever. and the best obtainable version of the truth is what the media is engaged in here, it's time for us, i guess to do more investigative reporting, we don't need to defend ourselves, we need to get down and investigate his agenda. >> john, you were the former fbi deputy director. would you have ever reached out to the west wing to discuss a politically sensitive investigation of the west wing, or would you have deferred that to the fire wall that at least in theory is supposed to be in place? >> i think there are two fundamental issues here at play,
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i think the white house needs to be mindful of fbi investigations. the second principle, though, is that the fbi, particularly through the department of justice, and usually the attorney general or deputy attorney general, need to keep the white house informed of significant matters, particularly as it relates to national security. so i think the people are conflating the two at times here to say what is appropriate and what's not. the question for example, on the national security side would be just what happened when acting attorney general sal yates informed the white house about the concerns with general flynn. and so that's something that was ongoing so they took the appropriate step. it would not be for the fbi to unilaterally inform or brief the white house on ongoing on either criminal or national security matters. >> go ahead.
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>> the times that i did in the white house, either in the oval office, it was all with the attorney general or the deputy attorney general because there was a certified briefing team there. >> dooirng it would be -- news reports about an ongoing investigation, especially when it's involving the president's allies? >> we assume that he's talking about an jauchb going investigation. i think john is right, there's a lot of information being conflated here, let me give you a scenario because we don't know exactly what happened here. the scenario is that the white house is building a relationship with different agencies including the cia and the fbi, and then there's a major news report about an ongoing fbi investigation. i don't think it's inappropriate in the least for the fbi deputy director, who's one of the best officers i ever worked with, andy mccabe, to go over to the white house and say we're sorry about what happened in that news leak, we want to develop a
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relationship with you, and that relationship is built on trust. that report misrepresented our investigation. that to me is not inappropriate, nor is it a rev looirgs about what kind of investigation the fbi had going on. precision of language is pornlts here. >> is it appropriate that reince priebus ask that the fbi kind of make that public? >> i think it's inappropriate if you pressed it. we have reince priebus who was with the republican national committee, his transition to the white house, where a month into the white house, he may not know how this game works, he may not know it's inappropriate for the white house to talk about an ongoing investigation. i these think the fascinating question is why the white house feels this is a leak at all. this is something that embarrasses the white house that,'s not a leak, that's a news story, i participated in a leak at the cia, for example when the news media got a hold
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of a video of us questioning a terrorist. that was a potential leak. this is an embarrassment, the two are not the same. >> carl, do you make that difference as well? >> yeah, i think that it's not, look, this is a news story, it is a legitimate news story, what the white house is engaged in is trying to knock down any story that goes into the facts about the status of investigations, about the substance of investigations, about donald trump's relationships with russia, with the nations around russia, with ethno russians. they want to stomp on these stories. that's the objective. and it's inappropriate to go to the fbi in a way that priebus d did. >> we just lost carom.
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. >> it can get complicated in a hurry when you're talking about mixing investigation with the president's allies. >> let's cut this apart a bit. let's talk about the interactions with the white house, i can't remember how many white house meetings i went to. you sit next to somebody who's a white house official, you say something like, let's talk afterwards. as i mentioned before, i'm sorry about that leak. we see those people and i'm sure john pistol did all the time. a five-minute conversation between a deputy director of the fbi and a senior white house official should not be seen as an aberration. but the white house is talking about leaks and the fbi investigation of leaks and nobody's talking about foundations of white house interactions with the russians and congressional investigations of what the campaign did during the elections russia doesn't want to focus on the story, we
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want to focus on the fbi leaking something sensitive, which is incorrect. >> what phil just called a shell game, harsh words from the president talking about so-called leaks and public executives. he used to call them reporters, pretending to be his own press agent to give laeks about himself. much more ahead.
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he continued with a full throated attack on cpac on the people that turned those leaks into the information that voters use to hold the powerful accountable. mr. trump isn't the first president to take issue about how the press does its job. rarely has it been so publicly and so frequently on display. >> we have to fight it, they're very cunning, they're very dishonest. so to conclude, it's a very sensitive topic, and they get upset when we expose their false stories, they say we can't criticize their dishonest coverage, because of the first amendment. they always bring up the first amendment. and i love the first amendment. nobody loves it better than me, nobody.
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>> also long those lines, he says he's against fake news and unknown sources. >> i'm not against the media, i'm not against the press. i don't mind a bad story if i deserve them. i love good stories. i don't get too many of them. but i am only against the fake news media or press, fake, they have to leave that word. i'm against the people that make up stories and make up sources. they shouldn't be allowed to use sources unless they use somebody's name. let their name be put out there. >> we actually looked at the president's twitter feed. we questioned president obama's citizenship, when they quote an extremely krenl source or a
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confidential source without naming him or her. we will name carl bernstein and chief preliminary analyst gloria borger, and mag by haggerman and also jack kingston. maggie, i noticed you tweeted out a quote of one of steve bannon's book, and the quote is the whole secret lies in deceiving the enemy so they can't not fathom their intent. do you think that's a factor of president trump's attacks on the media? >> you know as well as i do, that he does not react well as negative stories, or stories he per zees as negative, even if they aren't negative object tyly. not what we saw with donald trump at cpac, but the in total events of what he said and then there was this background briefing at the white house,
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including some media outlets including this one and the "new york times" were left out. i think all that is creating this sort of cacophony of noise. >> it keeps reporter s voters f talking about reporters. but which i find boring. >> boring and whining, and especially about how this is a strike at the first amendment, what happened with this briefing. it is not a strike against the first amendment, it is a strike against transparency. and that's a different issue, but this is not inhibiting anybody from doing their jobs nisly. but reporters like nothing better than talking about ourselves as a group. but trump has a great way of making people sort of mirror him in terms of sort of behavior and interactions, and this is another one of those examples, his complaints about the media,
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delegitimizes the issue with his supporters. >> carl, you heard the president attack the media at cpac, and steve bannon saying they should just keep their mouths shutz and listen. do you agree with maggie, that poorlt of this is a distraction and a play for the base? and also part of it is that we are in the midst of the ultimate battle of the cultural wars with donald trump and the presidency. it's going to go on and it's going to scorch the earth and it's going to be fierce. our job now is to increase the tempo and depth of our report egg, especially investigate ty reporting, to stay on the issue of the presidency. we need to look at our reporting, perhaps in a
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biography, that all of the networks might be involved in separately, but it's part of the basic news agenda, about the lifz of donald trump, let's go back and look at the man, how he got to the presidency. what his first 60 days, 90 days, 120 days look like. we need to do in depth reporting. we're going deep, but we need to go even deeper. >> getting back to ma maggie said about the context of today's speech, it was an audience that was both a support base philosophically, but also a fan base. they agree with what he's done, they agree with his platform but they love him as a person. and as a republican, i can say it's always been a little red meatish to say something about the press, because we feel that the press isn't exactly fair to us. so i think what he was saying, it was an easy audience to do. but taking on the issue of the
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fbi and the nine anonymous sources. maybe it was very fair criticism, well, who are these people? as he said, why don't they come out and say their names? but as you know, when you exclouds a network from your press zbagal, you're playing with fire, president obama did it with the pezar in 2009 and he excluded fox news, and oddly, the "new york times" led the boycott. >> not oddly. >> to me, oddly. >> it's oddly if you talk about what this is. >> sorry, carl, go ahead. >> jack, how many times when you were on the hill as a congressman were you anonymous source? >> i don't think i was ever credible enough to be anonymous source. so i don't know. >> you never were? >> carl's point is there are plenty of congress people, there are plenty of people in the white house right now who are
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anonymous sources, the president of the united states, according to reporting, as a citizen used to make up a fake name and call up reporters to drop items about himself using a fake name. >> and sometimes his own name as a background source. >> what is he talking about? >> i think probably and this kind of sounds like a little bit of a copout, but what he did as a private citizen versus what he did as president of the united states, maybe there should be a higher coverage standard, and if you're accusing the president of the united states of coordinating with russia, that's a very, very serious charge, and to cite anonymous people. that would be what the question is. >> it was anonymous sourcing, which led to the stories about mike flynn which led the white house to let go of flynn. >> absolutely, and there are anonymous sources at the white house, people like me and maggie talk to every day and this is a president who always tweeted people are saying, i don't know
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if those were real sources, but they were certainly anonymous sources. i think there are a couple of things going on here. for those of us who have done a bunch of reporting on donald trump's life. we know that he it's used to signing his nondisclosure agreements with these people he does business with. >> nondisclosure agreements are people who you work for, when they leave your employ, they can't bad mouth you in any way. >> maybe he has those people. but you cannot do that with the government. you cannot tell anyone, you're not allowed to leak. and this drives him crazy. if there are leaks coming from the administration, he wants to be the one who does it. if there's a spokesman for the administration, he wants to be the spokesman, as we saw at his press conference last week. i think there is something else
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going on here, i think it is something diversionary. i think he probably knows there are more stories coming, perhaps there are more stories on the ties to russia coming and to add on to what others have said here tonight, i think he's sort of laying a predicate here, that you can't believe twhoirz either. and i think this goes along with what steve bannon said, as he spoke at cpac this week, where he said if you think the media's going to give you your country back without a fight, you're sadly mistaken. then you go to donald trump calling the media the enemy. and then you go to what sean spicer did today, which is to tell some press, we don't like you, you can't be a part of it. >> maggie? >> i think zblora's dead on, i think bannon made pretty clear what his strategy is and he has for a while, and he certainly again in this relatively long appearance at cpac. they don't have an actually pitch doubt.
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maybe there isn't, you know, a full kernell of truth in these stories you're reading. and it is also a way to burn reporters. it's a form of gaslighting. i don't think that that is a sustainable strategy for the long-term when you are running the white house. i think that there is so much, as i said before, going on, it is not just this russia question, that the president has his first major national address next week. we have heard almost nothing about the prep for that. whether they're ready for that. this is the first major test of his chief of staff reince priebus in a lot of ways. i think it is a good way to throw everybody off balance. >> i the white house hires a spokesperson named jon miller tomorrow -- >> a lot more to talk about ahead, more on president trump's
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president trump at the cpa krrc today. president trump's appearance at cpac was also a reminder of how much his political fortunes have changed in just a year. his remarks today sounded very much like candidate trump who spoke to supporters. >> reporter: tonight president trump, the man who surprised the republican party and its conservative activists -- >> audience: usa! usa! >> reporter: laying out his hard line agenda that's become his own. >> we're committed to finding the drug dealers, the criminal aliens and throwing them the hell out of core country.
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and we will not let them back in. they're not coming back in folks. >> reporter: pledging to send congress a request for a major boost in funding for the u.s. military. >> we're also putting in a massive budget request for our beloved military. and we will be substantially upgrading all of our military, all of our military, offensive, defensive, everything. bigger and better and stronger than ever before. >> a >> reporter: and again, leveling an attack on an american ally. this time paris, france, citing an unknown friend who told
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him -- >> paris? i don't go to paris anymore, who goes to paris? >> reporter: and then he tweeted this picture. it was his sharply consistent pledge to stick to the very agenda he laid out during the campaign that resonated with the crowd. >> so let me state this as clearly as i can. we are going to keep radical islam islamic terrorists the hell out of our country. >> reporter: all as trump promised new anti-terrorism actions in the days ahead. >> in the coming days, we will be taking bold actions to keep america safe. you will see the actions. >> it's interesting, phil,
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because president trump skipped the event when he was candidate trump last year, today he said he skipped it because it would be too controversial. at the time he blamed it on a scheduling conflict. but this clearly sounded like a donald trump crowd. >> reporter: the crowd response is everything the trump administration would have wanted, a lot of red meat for a red meat loving audience. this is a conservative conference, there's a lot of people who are very cool or opposed to his candidacy, and they haven't really come around. one thing i have done throughout the last 48 hours here, when you talk to somebody and ask do you believe the president is a conservative. and you can't say yes plainly. his agenda, what he's done over the first 35 or 40 days in office, really resonates fro his supreme court court pick, to
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regulation, to his health care plan that he's laid out they may not like him fill softfully -- these are the people, the activists that this administration is going to need going forward to fight the battles through what pretty much everyone would acknowledge as a very ambitious agenda. >> cnn political commentator, angela rye, and carl bernstein is back with us. you were saying how the crowd was very different this year than it was last year. talk about that a little bit. >> undoubtedly, and i think that was almost emblematic in steve bannon's first statement, he said i was invited this year, i feel like the populist swing of the party was not included. this time to have a room that applauded when you talked about economic nationalism and these kind of blue collar ideas. it was very different.
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it was about half young people, which is usually the case. but the other half were kind of the excluded wing of the republican party and the wing that put president trump over the top. >> this is now donald trump's republican party, but it is, in terms of like conservative orthodoxy, economic nationalism, against free trade, that's heresy. >> it is interesting, because i was there last year and i was there with ted cruz, and it was hiss home audience, it was his home court. ted cruz was third in the straw poll and trump ran away with the straw poll last year. the thing with the trump speech, i came here last year, and i kichl here two years ago. and it seems like it was an firm consummating the relationship, i've proved i'm a conservative, this is a movement, i am fighting for you. >> do you think he's really a conservative? >> i actually think he's grown
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into being a conservative. i don't know -- i think he took a while to figure out exactly, maybe where he was heading, and i mean over a decade's period of time. but i think if you look at his cabinet and you look at him keeping his cam pain promises, compared to other presidents that we have had. i'm going to do that, but i'm going to do that later. what we're skiing is a president who can't wait on his congress, a president who wants to get everybody on the same page and be happy. >> simone, did you hear anything from this president that you as a democrat can work with? >> no. i mean when donald trump talks about trade, for example, clearly, senator sanders is very strong on free and fair trade, that's something donald trump talks a lot about. but when we get down to the details of trade, that's where the questions differ. i think conservatives have conceded the ground to donald trump here, i think instead of fighting him where necessary,
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they have totally conceded the grind, they have just let tlump come in and take over. so conservatism doesn't look like what it usual lir looks like, it looks like donald trump. >> and one of the things that is interesting to me, you started that segment talking about it sounded like he was back on the cool pain trail. it absolutely did. he's back talking about drug dealers, et cetera. one of the most divisive things i think he side today. you finally have a president, it took you a long time, it's patriots like you that made it happen. he's going back to campaign 2012, where he's undermining the president who just left. so he's not even sounding like the country's chief diplomat, he's sounding like trump. >> as soon as we come back from the break, we'll talk more about president trump's speech day. and his promise to deliver on his campaign promises including building a wall.
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he hit on the same core issues, including this one. >> by stopping the flow of illegal immigration, we will save countless tax dollars, and that's so important, because the tax dollars that we're losing are beyond anything that you can imagine. and the tax dollars that could be used to rebuild struggling american communities including our inner cities. we are also going to save countless american lives. >> back now with the panel. carl bernstein, we were talking before the break about how this is trump's party, this is trump's event. does it surprise you how much the republican party has sort of embraced this economic nationalism? >> i think two things are happening, the base of his victory have embraced it and we're watching at cpac a
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narcissistic demagogue, even going farther with his message of anger and with his message of exclusion. while on capitol hill, what is happening, he is scaring the hell out of a lot of movement conservatives, and a lot of senators and congressmen who worry about his stability and are well aware that he is presenting all of this in a fact-free universe. there's great concern on capitol hill, i'm sure that others on this broadcast can attest to that. and so we're heading in two different directions, where there's some real skepticism in his own party in washington, about his approach and whether he really is a president who knows what he's doing, while at the same time, he's energizing those who brung him to the dance. but it's a really ugly mood as well. >> congressman kingston, what about about that? there are a lot of sort of main
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stream republicans who did not go to cpac who are upset over these main issues. >> he was not intended to go to cpac. it originally was kind of a love fest for the most conservative members of congress. but i have to say to carl, a narcissistic demagogue? i don't think that's accurate all. this is a guy taking a victory lap. he pointed out all the issues from immigration to the -- these were all republican base type issues that he's talked about. >> do you hear concern on capitol hill who may be republicans who are concerned about where the party is going? >> no, i haven't. they're pleased that the gridlock is going to finally be broken. there's more worry about renegade republicans who are
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more worried about their other than future. when newt gingrich was a speaker as a georgian, anywhe time i wad to make press, i just talked about gingrich. you become the darling of the day, but it doesn't help move the trairn forward. with what they have to do is stick together and they've got to deliver on the promises collectively, from health care to immigration security to it's sits. >> and steve bannon and reince priebus say there are people who come into the oval office and say you have to -- i said this, i made this promise to the american people, i'm going to deliver on that promise. he's doing that even though he knows his policies will be misconstrued as isolating people or dividing people. but i think we finally have someone who's walking his talk, i don't know if it was republicans or democrats,
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despite pressure to moderate. >> despite human decency and also compassion, the role of the commander in chief is to take into consideration things you may not have known while you were campaigning, there's nothing wrong with moderating and or compromising, that is the purpose of the house and the senate. i don't know which republicans you're talking to, maybe you talked to too many republicans who went to cpac, but there are also some republicans on clearly who are very concerned. so i do think you still have quite a few who are concerned. >> one piece of the mystery solved, but so many remain in the death of kim jong-un's brother. authorities saying an internationally banned nerve agent is what killed him. the latest on is that and the questions that still have to be answered next. ♪
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it certainly appears north korea attacked, using a weapon of mass destruction agent. all of it caught on security cameras. you can see two women approach kim jong-nam in the airport in kuala lumpur where they put a substance on his face and quickly flee the area. >> given the fact that vx is not only one of the most lethal nerve agents out there, it's also something that you can't make in your basement. questions about how it got into a controlled area of an international airport, i think will be the subject of continued intelligence collection. >> if they had an active storage site with vx, that they could have confidence in, they would not have to transport very much of it. and no one would know what it was without opening it, unfortunately and dieing from it. >> reporter: malaysia has
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already asked interpol to put out an alert for four missing suspects, but the fear is they are already back in pyongyang. . the malaysian police report says that kim jong-nam's eyes and face were swabbed by investigators, they found nerve agent. that cannot be confirmed independently. >> reporter: vx is an internationally banned chemical weapon that can kill in minutes, it causes convulsions, paralysis and death due to respiratory failure. while north korea has not admitted to -- regularly
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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com topping this hour of 360, new reporting on a story cnn first broke. tonight white house reaction and their timeline of who said what to whom. also this hour, two former top fbi officials weigh in. so will carl bernstein. but first the very latest from jim sciutto. >> reporter: tonight the white house vehemently defending, asking the fbi to deny reports of communications between trump campaign associates and russians known to u.s. intelligence. the administration's intense push back follows cnn's exclusive reporting of the
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