when no one was watching. ♪ ♪ ♪ -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. you're watching a special edition of newsroom. on hollywood's biggest night, the academy awards. >> thank you for being with us. it is the moment from the oscars that everyone is talking about. >> everybody it seems. it all happened in the last few moments of sunday's ceremony.

the movie "la, la land" was acclaimed as the winner, but it wasn't. >> "moonlight" was actually the winner. they told the stunned crowd, "moonlight" won, and this is not a joke. stephanie, clearly this is what pretty much everybody will be talking about right now. >> reporter: oh, everyone is talking about it, no doubt about it. and what's sad about this is that here you have some folks from "la, la land" that thought they won, and it takes the shine away from them, and folks from "moonlight" who, it took light away from them. this little-known movie made in 25 days $25 days or $1.5 millio against this behemoth. the fact that they won is a huge deal. in case you happened to miss the moment that everyone's talking about, take a look back at how it all went down.

[ applause ] >> and the academy award for best picture. >> you're impossible. >> "la, la land." >> the damage is on your shoulders. >> we lost, by the way. >> i'm sorry. no, there's a mistake. "moonlight", you won best picture. "moonlight" won. this is not a joke. i'm afraid they read the wrong thing. this is not a joke. "moonlight" has won best picture. "moonlight". best picture. >> reporter: they thought it was a joke. and adding to the confusion,

emma stone, who did win for her portrayal in "la, la land". she was backstage, and this is what she had to say. >> we are so excited for "moonlight." i think it's one of the best films of all time. so i was pretty beside myself. i also was holding my best actress in a leading role card that whole entire time. so whatever story -- i don't mean to start stuff, but whatever story that was, i had that card. so i'm not sure what happened, but i really wanted to talk to you guys first. >> reporter: so just to clear things up, we did zoom in on the envelope that was being held by warren beatty, and it does say "lead actress" or "actress in a lead role." you can she on there. he did have the wrong envelope. there are always two cards printed. two odd toauditors. when one is on stage, the

celebrities reading it, the other auditor has the card in the back to make sure they're reading the right thing. that's where they realized the discrepancy. how did a third card show up? i don't know. but what emma stone is saying is true. she has her card, and there could still be another card. it's still the story that everyone's going to be talking about for probably the next 24 hours. >> i think i followed you. it's quite confusing, but it seems there's multiple prints of the same card or something like that. thank you, we appreciate it. >> five-time nominee, emmy lou henner. >> alisha malone, lewis, let's start with you. how in the world does this happen? this was so painful to watch. >> every single second of that video is horrifying in its own way. it starts with warren beatty

clearly knowing he has the wrong envelope. then it goes into faye dunaway, saying will you read it already, and then a stranger running on stage and yelling that somebody was lying or whatever that was. i'm shocked. i've seen that video with alisha probably five other six times. and every time i have to swallow the biggest gullen ever. >> good on the producer of "la, la land" for calling that out. >> good old bonnie and clyde. they've ton they've done it again. >> mary lou, as an actor, can you describe what this moment would be like? >> oh, my gosh. now that i've seen it a couple times, warren beatty looks like, is someone going to save me? and then he says best picture. i want somebody to interview

warren to find out what he was thinking. your heart is pounding anyway, and everyone in the audience is dying to know what comes out of your mouth. but he should have stopped it and said we don't have the right card here. >> apparently, faye dunaway showed up at the governor's ball and is refusing to talk about it. >> of course she is. >> i feel bad about "moonlight". this was their moment. and right now, not as many people are talking about "moonlight", but more about their crazy mixup. >> most of the tweets that i'm reading are this extraordinary moment. one struggling with their sexuality, a full black cast. so you're really missing out on this moment. yes, we've also talked about the fact that because of this controversial moment, it could bring attention to the film, but i would have much rather had the moment that "moonlight" deserves, where would you have heard the music, they would have gone up, accepted their award,

and all the questions surrounding it would have been about the film, the act tors, the cinematography. >> it's a big blow. you're getting your just due, and it seems like it's been taken away from you on both sides, "moonlight" or "la, la land". as a viewer? you can't script this. this is brilliant. >> memory is tied to adrenaline. which is why everybody remembers the highs and the lows of their life. and so because of it, this will be one of the most memorable moments in whose car -- oscar history, and "moonlight" will be known as the little engine that could and the moment this happened. >> it walked away with three academy awards, including best supporting actor who is also the first muslim to ever win an academy award.

>> i mean, it's thrilling in every way. when you talk about best pictures, and i'm thinking back, back years and years. there's never any clear themes. i can't think of an another best picture that has an entirely non-white cast. the history of movies is tethered to whiteness, as long as we can get away from that, where we have movies with worlds of non-white people who feel like they don't have to establish a relationship with a white character, that's awesome. this movie is awesome for many reasons, including that. >> alisha, were there any surprises for you? did it surprise you that casey affleck won over denzel washington? >> yeah, it really surprised me. you know, denzel washington won the sag award, and traditionally, the winner of that award goes on to win the oscar, plus, that performance in "fences". my gosh, he is fierce, and he

can change from being terrifying to charming in a blink of an eye. and i think casey affleck's performance is much more understated. it was more about keeping your emotion in. plus, he has the controversy around casey affleck recently. i felt that that would harm his chances. so i was really surprised to see casey affleck win for best actor. >> how do we know casey affleck didn't really win? >> on the upside, casey affleck did take the crumbs out of his beard for the award. so things are looking up. best supporting actress. >> viola davis' acceptance speech is an exact mirror with how she acts. she speaks with her heart on her sleeve and acts with her heart on her sleeve. and her role in "fences." captivating. the second it starts and the

second the movie is over with. i want to point to social media, even though he won the oscar, people are upset that casey affleck won the oscar because of the sexual harassment allegations. >> in response to viola davis, she's deserved an oscar for a long time. she does incredible work. >> she told our stephanie elam, she thought she might get snubbed again. >> you have to prepare, again, the idea of the academy awards aren't being judged is very -- it's, for viola to win, first of all, shoo he we was amazing in d dress. that hands down stopped the show. her speech was flawless. but i hope it is the springboard for an actress that deserves more and bigger things to come. >> mm-hm. you know, in the same way i hope for my friend octavia spencer

who won an oscar for playing a maid. let's see these ladies as more than just a strong black woman. let her play an alien hunter, like a sigourney weaver. >> "la, la land" was tied for the most nominations ever. it walked away with four academy awards. what happened? >> i think that people wanted to spread the love, and i also feel like they really started to evaluate each character and even though they love "la, la land" and let's put that up for best this or whatever, once they went to fill out their ballot, they went oh, that story. >> maybe they saw the light. we were just talking about their. "la, la land." you and i both saw it and we didn't exactly enjoy it. i sort of fell asleep and had to wake myself up. >> i loved "la, la land".

i do not think it should have been nominated for best picture. >> not even nominated? not with ten possibilities? >> not in saving jazz? even kenny g was like -- >> it was a fantastic film. i do think it was a great escapism from the volatile political climate that we're all in right now. however, when you compare that film to a "moonlight." to a "lion." i would see it again and again and again. i didn't fall asleep in it like you did. but i think the right picture won. >> eight to ten nominations. >> deserving of best actress? >> she was singing, dancing. that's a lot. there's a lot of rehearsal time involved. but i do think that the best actress nomination should have gone to isabel yew pair hands down. >> as a fellow australian here,

how unlucky was nicole kidman to be nominated in a year to go up against viola davis, because nicole kidman's performance in "lion" was really. >> you could tell she brought so much of her personal story to that role. because she's so emotionally raw. and i thought patel did an incredible australian accent, but nicole kidman as someone who's been churning out performance after performance, i hope more people see "lion." >> do you feel like that film was snubbed this year, louis? >> "lion"? i was aware of the story before it happened, i knew when he was going, scrolling on google earth, which is kind of what half of the movie is about, that he was going to find his home. so there was less suspense than

there should have been. i think the biggest snub is, e routinely, the most vulnerable perform as, t performance, and she is so stoney and stoic and hilarious. i was really, really rooting for her. >> if she walked in here right now, with a sign that said i'm isabel u bear, how many people in the studio -- >> who cares? [ talking simultaneously ] >> okay, we've got to squeeze in a break, guys. we all agree with you. >> all right, everyone. up next as expected, u.s. president donald trump came up repeatedly during the oscars. we're going to look at the political humor and commentary from hollywood's big night. stay with us. ♪ if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis

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trump supporter and former arkansas governor mike huckabee kind of set the stage. this is what he tweeted. watch the celebs spew ignorant political venom at the oscars? nah, i think i'd rather have a colonoscopy. it didn't quite work out that way, did it. >> no, i need to respond to that tweet real quickly. i'm going to quote my friend, who says wait, the oscars happen in mike huckabee's rectum? please don't. you messed that up entirely, try again. i'm going to actually disagree with shafwun a little bit. i'm always happy if the artists live up to the task of being an artist and announce how political they are. that is exciting to me. that proves threy are an artist. i thought fer haughty's speech,

that was the most suspenseful and almost saddest moment of the night. so i was really happy in terms of what i heard in political grand standing. that's the term people use. but i think we could stand to have more. a lot of the ceremony was like a typically whim typically whimsical adventure into the audience with candy flying everywhere. i thought it could have gotten more political. >> louis, just to respond, i didn't say i didn't like actors or actresses being political. i just said i don't think the oscars is the best place for it. if i'm sitting home on my couch, i don't think, when they get in there in a2,000 give enchi gown and you tell me about how upset you are about the travel banan

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and that's a big message he was sending. >> it had more or less impact that sort of the most anti-trump criticism didn't come from the american actors, it came from someone who is in iran. >> i think silence is golden. everybody was glued to their seats, listening in. and it allow it is to marinate. and then you saw a lot of people quoting within twitter and on facebook. and, again, i know we talked about theis earlier that you an i disagree. the oscars have such a large audience. this is the perfect platform for someone to speak to their politics. just because someone might be well-to-do, not everybody who is nominated by the way, whether it be for makeup, cinematography, you are not a millionaire. just because you are not an american citizen doesn't mean you aren't a global citizen and that you don't have an opinion.

>> i'm just saying put your money where your mouth is. they got $140,000 swag bags for being on that stage. donate that to charity. >> most people do. they do. >> if you show me that you stand with the regular people that are really suffering in this country or that are really worried about their health care or their loved ones not being able to come to this country, don't do it from a stage -- >> can i challenge you really quick? because when you see someone even as we spoke to earlier, so subtly wearing an aclu ribbon and to have an opportunity in a speech or the red carpet interview, it gives them a chance to speak about the aclu. when you have that opportunity, there could be a young person at home who has no idea what's going on in politics, what's going on with the aclu and trans rights. perhaps it is affecting that 1,000 or 2,000 people out there. >> it's not enough. >> you don't want to hear the

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welcome back, everybody to this special edition of "cnn newsroom" in hollywood. >> it is the oscar moment that is going down in history. >> "moonlight" pulled out a surprise win for best picture. but it's what happened right before that moment which shocked everyone. not just in hollywood's dolby theater but watching around the world. >> the musical "la, la land" was first announced as the best picture winner. its cast and crew were on stage making their speeches, and then it was announced that

"moonlight" won and it was not a joke. >> this unprecedented flub at the oscars, i guess it's now sinking in what happened. what are people saying there? >> reporter: there's nothing like this. that's what everyone is talking about, which is a little sad, because it takes away from "moonlight" win. in case you're just waking up right now and you didn't sigh what happened, take a look at how it all went down. [ applause ] >> and the academy award for best picture. >> you're impossible. gosh. "la, la land." >> we lost, by the way, but, you

know. . >> i'm sorry, there's a mistake. "moonlight." you won best picture. this is not a joke. i'm afraid they read the wrong thing. >> this is not a joke. "moonlight something has won best picture. >> "moonlight", best picture. >> it was a stunning moment. everyone thought it was some sort of twisted joke at first and then realizing that this did really happen. i want you to know that we did zoom in on the envelope that warren beatty was holding, and it did say actress in a lead role. he was handed the wrong card. and to that, adding to the confusion, though, back stage, before this was all sorted out a bit, emma stone talked about what happened when she was up there on stage, take a listen. >> we are so excited for "moonlight somethi "moonlight."

i think it's one of the best films of all time. so i was pretty beside myself. i was also holding my best actress in a leading role card that entire time. i don't mean to start stuff. but whatever story that was, i had that card. so i'm not sure what happened. and i really wanted to talk to you guys first. >> reporter: all right, so to clear it up, this is what i'm learning. on both sides of the stage, there are auditors, each one of them has a full set of the cards of who won that night. the reason why they do that is so one can see who won and if something's wrong they can correct it. here's the thing. when one celebrity comes town present, they're handed the card. the other auditor on the other side of the stage is supposed to discash discard their card. that did not happen. warren beatty was handed the card that was already given out to emma stone, which said "la, la land."

warren beatty said i was not trying to be dramatic. it was not his fault or faye dunaway's fault. barry jenkins did come by and speak to us outside the governor's ball, and i asked him if this sort of snafu that everythi everybody is talking about, does it take away? does it tarnish their win, and this is what he had to say. with this win, despite how it happened. and that was a shock for you in how you even knew how to handle it. what does it mean that you did win, the shock and how does it feel that you have this win? >> it feels good. i'm not an academy voter, so i think the choice was the academy's. we were awarded best picture, but the choice is maid by the -- made by the academy. they noticed that the work was meritous. and whatever distinction was made, what it symbolizes is that

these lives that these characters were not only marginalized, they should be centered. and there are many different versions of the american experience. in that way, i'm hopeful. it makes me look forward to the future. >> reporter: do you think your win was tarnished at all because of what happened? >> not at all. i make movies. i'll give an actor a wrong direction and it ruins the take or the light goes out because there's a phase in the hmi. these things happen. and unfortunately, this thing hand, but it wasn't malicious in any way. and because we're so close, the "la, la land" crew, i think it happened among peers and i would say family. >> reporter: hold up your oscar and show it to us. i hope you get to enjoy this moment. >> i am. i'm going to drink champagne and dance a little bit. >> reporter: i think you should. it's interesting because both barry and jordan horowitz, they

both said that they felt hilike this bonded the two camps together and they felt close knit and this makes them even stronger in that bond. >> it's nice to see him taking things in stride, it feels like that spotlight moment was taken away from them. >> stay with us. we were actually on air when all of this actually was playing out. it was a stunning moment for us here on air with our panel. >> confusing moment, a very confusing moment. >> to lou and mary lou henner, we're all here trying to work out what happened. take a look. >> i don't mean to interrupt, we are just being told, apparently, they read the wrong card. "la, la land" did not win. >> oh, my gosh! >> apparently, i just want to double-check. this is accurate. are you guys messing with me? >> we're on live tv, everyone.

>> they're going ton twitter no. >> the bottom line is, they read out the wrong name. >> what? >> how could they do that? >> what? >> apparently, so it looks as if it was not "la, la land" which won big picture. >> i hope it's "moonlight." >> it was "moonlight." >> it was "moonlight"? >> yes. >> we were all discombobulated, what? >> they are piecing together how this kind of went so wrong. do you think they've now worked out exactly where the problem was and how they can make certain this doesn't happen again? very quickly, 30 seconds. >> reporter: they're probably breaking it down right now and will be doing it tomorrow and the rest of the week. it was mayhem where we were and the media pen. it was mayhem. people thought it was a weird,

twisted joke. they didn't know what it was. the oscars never wants that to happen, obviously. you want people to talk about the movies, not about how there was a big snafu in who won and all that happened behind it. >> thank you so much for being with us live. appreciate it. and still to come on "cnn newsroom," a shocking mixup, and in the end, a triumph for diversity at the academy awards. >> but is it here to stay? we'll ask our oscar panel. ♪ (music pla♪ throughout) announcer: get on your feet for the nastiest bull in the state of texas. ♪ ♪ (crowd cheers) ♪

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this issue of diversity. we have three academy awards now for "moonlight", a movie with all black cast, dealing with issues in the african-american community, beating out an all-white movie about sinking a -- singing and dancing. >> last year was such a shock to everybody, the whole oscars so

white. and people were more conscious of it and changing the voters for the academy. i think that, you know, what's great about, i mean, what's great about what's happening politically is that people are really banding together, everyone's talking about it, and i think that the kids, the high school kids, the college kids, people are much more aware of what's going on in this country. >> how do we bring about seeing more diverse spaces, not just diverse faces winning, but on the big screen. how do we allow it that to happen? because doesn't it start with casting and the screenplays? >> it's the opportunity from the studios that, you know, how many black heads of studios are there? how many women heads of studios are there? if you want to see the face that you see in the mirror represented in films, it's really going to see those faces in positions of power, not just

casting, not just screen writing, but the cinematography. i'm tired of the old hollywood mentality thinking if i cast these kinds of actors, nobody will come see my movie. i hate to use the madea. it's number one at the box office every time he drops a new movie. if it's about the art, give the artist a chance to show themselves. stop rewriting roles and saying, you know, i don't think a black guy would work there or making ancient egypt english. come on. >> there's so much backlash when that happens, right, with the whitewashing. we immediately follow it on social media, and there's always a repercussion, then you get the hash tags and petitions to ban those certain movies or not go to certain movies, and that, again affects the bottom dollar.

i think they're going to look at the bottom line and see it's going to hurt their pocket books. >> look at how something like "hamilton" has completely changed broadway. and the casting call, they want diversity. you would never see that, a musical about the founding fathers? >> if all the controversy over the past two academy awards, that oscars are so white, or there were not actors of color nominated for stellar roles, does that impact how people within the academy think about their vote? and i don't want to take anything away from the academy awards that went out tonight, to movies like "moonlight". but did "moon light" win because of the controversy last year? >> hmm. >> i would think not. i think it's a tremendous movie and a unique movie. i would hope oscar voters would

think not onlies to thy have th i hope they think about things when you look at the list of roles of people of color that we've given oscars to in the past. it's a lot of things like maids, people in subservient roles. it's a timeline of how we've been welcoming people of color. when you have a movie like "moonlig "moonlight". roles that we haven't seen before, roles that aren't maids. you should be coherent of its merits of a film. >> they just reacted to this crazy mixup that happened. >> it just threw me a bit. it threw me more than a bit. but, you know, i just didn't, i didn't want to go up there and take anything from somebody, you

know, it's very hard to feel joy in a moment like that, you know, but because somebody else just in front of them, but i feel very fortunate for all of us to have walked away with the best picture award. it's pretty remarkable. >> and, alisha, that kind of does sum it up in many ways. you have to feel joy after something like this has happened. >> yeah, it's kind of a shock when you see that clip, and jordan horowitz says it's "moonlight". and they don't get their big musical moment. it's a feeling of shock in the room. it's not that moment of joy that it deserves. but on the other hand, it is a moment that we will be speaking about for a long time, and hopefully that means that people will go check out "moonlight" to see what all this fuss is about. i felt bad for the cast in that moment. that clip is hard to watch. >> yeah, yeah. i wish we could stop playing it.

we kind of want -- [ talking simultaneously ] . >> t . >> the academy has made some moves to diversify the membership. 94% of the 6,000 members were male and white and the median age, 62. can you speak to this and some of the changes that are coming? >> well, when you talk casually to people who are obsessed with the oscars, certain people are like waiting for an old, white demographic to die off, that they've made the decision since the oscars have been, you know, around. it's hard not to be cynical about that. i think the future, speaking of what you guys were talking about before. it looks like thanks to people like cheryl boon isaacs who's been amazing in terms of

transforming the awards. in the future we'll have a more balanced voting bloc and hopefully that will be reflected in the films they choose. >> but it affects hollywood as a whole, it has been a white man's club for a long time. and there's no doubt that there's institutionalized racism and sexism. and hopefully conversations like this will start to help it and wins like "moonlight". >> we were always on your side. >> ali said it best. we're not here to take something that doesn't belong to us. that line enkams late what #oscars so white is about. it's not about you only had five black movies in a decade, so now you have to have five black movies all the time. >> whethn we come back, from elegant words at the podium to

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