of the final week of jesus' life. wolf? >> david gregory reporting. thank you. the new season of "finding jesus" begins this sunday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern and pacific only here on cnn. that's it for me. thanks for watching. "erin burnett out front" starts right now. up next, breaking news. did jeff sessions lie to congress? and trump fires back, tweeting pictures of top democrats meeting with russian officials, calling one a hypocrite, the other a liar. is it the democrats on a witch-hunt? and cnn learning the trump administration considering that mothers be separated from their children when they cross the border illegally. let's go "out front." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "out front," breaking news, liar, liar, senate democrats accusing the attorney general jeff sessions of making false

statements as the president accuses the two top democrats on the hill of being hypocrites and liars. in a letter released moments ago senate democrats say sessions must return to capitol hill to answer questions publicly and under oath. the democrats on the senate judiciary committee want sessions to, quote, correct the record about, and i quote them, false statements during his confirmation process and contacts with russian ambassador sergei dislay kislyak. trump took to twitter posting a picture of chuck schumer and vladimir putin sharing doughnuts and a laugh, tweeting we should start an investigation into schumer and his ties to putin. a total hypocrite. a short time later after nancy pelosi said she had not met with the russian ambassador, trump posted a picture of her with the russian ambassador saying i hereby demand a second investigation after schumer of pelosi for her close ties to russia and lying about it. the president saying calls for

sessions to resign are a witch-hunt. athena jones is at mar-a-lago. the president is fighting back. >> reporter: that's right. counterpunching. and what better platform than twitter, his favorite social media platform. but we don't expect him to be tweeting for the next few hours because he's heading into a dinner, a fund-raising dinner for the republican party. it's part of the republican national committee's spring retreat. the white house says that he is preparing for a working weekend here at his resort at mar-a-lago. they haven't released a schedule of exactly what he'll be up to over the next couple of days but they say he will be spending it working on some issues. >> thank you. back in washington, this fight between trump, the trump administration, and democrats over the attorney general's meeting with the russian ambassador is reaching a new pitch. liar, liar, these are the words we are hearing. jeff zeleny is "out front."

>> reporter: president trump heading off for a weekend in florida but not escaping lingering questions about russia. before leaving the white house, his advisers holding a meeting in the oval office. steve bannon looking agitated. a day after attorney general jeff sessions recused himself from any investigation involving the 2016 campaign after failing to disclose his meetings with the ambassador, the administration is on damage control. the president's words from last month not holding up to scrutiny. >> i have nothing to do with russia. to the best of my knowledge, no person that i deal with does. >> reporter: the white house has yet to explain the purpose of these meetings. the disclosure of which has overshadowed the president's well-regarded speech to congress this week. republicans urging team trump to be more forthcoming. >> i think everybody who's had contact with the russians needs

to be in the practice of oversharing. >> reporter: in a statement, the president defending his attorney general as an honest man, blasting democrats for what he called a total witch-hunt. those words echoed in moscow where russian foreign minister sergey lavrov described it the same way. >> translator: it all looks like a witch-hunt. >> reporter: russia clearly on the president's mind today, sending this tweet. we should start an immediate investigation into senator schumer and his ties to russia and putin. a total hypocrite. senator schumer firing back. happily talk about my contact with mr. putin and his associates. took place in 2003 in full view of press and public under oath. would you and your team? visiting wisconsin today, vice president mike pence downplaying concern about russia, saying he didn't know sessions met with the russian ambassador. >> he is a man of integrity as the president said, he could have answered the question more

clearly, but it was clearly unintentional. >> reporter: as there is no question the attorney general still is on very good standing here at the white house and inside the administration, no one is closer to this president, no member of his cabinet is, than jeff sessions. a bigger question is on capitol hill. republicans largely seem to be reassured by his recusal yesterday. democrats, though, erin, an entirely different question. >> all right. thank you, jeff zeleny. let's talk to one of those democrats. hakeem jeffries sits on the judiciary committee. the chairman of the senate judiciary committee says he will not cave to the democratic demands that jeff sessions come back and testify. republicans are satisfied with his recusal. what are you going to do about this? are you satisfied? >> i'm not. jeff sessions himself said that no one should be above the law. that has to include the attorney general, the chief law enforcement officer in the united states of america. what is clear is jeff sessions

either lied under oath to the united states congress or or at minimum provided inaccurate information. in either instance, he would have committed a crime. that seems to be the basis for him to at least come back to congress, the house and the senate judiciary committee, and explain himself. >> if you're saying in either case a crime, it would sound to me you're saying he needs to resign. are you saying that? >> i am if it can be proven that he has engaged in either perjury or providing misinformation to congress, then he doesn't deserve to be the attorney general of the united states of america. >> you want to give him one more chance before you say he needs to resign. >> i think it's reasonable. i'll continue to study the record in the next few days, but it's reasonable the senate judiciary democrats would say they're interested in giving him an opportunity to testify under oath to explain himself. >> meeting with ambassadors, which what this is all about, is common. speaker ryan was asked about it.

many members of congress would have met with the russian ambassador, other diplomats. >> i would think dozens if not more hundreds. that's very common. we meet with ambassadors constantly as members of congress. that's their job is to come and meet with members of congress and express their interest, their concerns, especially with people in foreign policy committees like armed services committee or the foreign relations committee. >> dozens if not more than hundreds. is that honest? >> let's be clear. something stinks at 1600 pennsylvania avenue, and the american people deserve to know does the rot go all the way to the top. it seems like all of the president's men -- the attorney general, his national security adviser, his chief foreign policy adviser, his committee -- campaign committee chairman, his son-in-law, on and on and on, just so happen to have had all these communications with the russian ambassador or russian

intelligence agents at the same time when russia was hacking into an american election. we're saying they should be able to explain that. we need a full and fair investigation. >> we have discovered that democrats denied meeting with the ambassador did meet with the ambassador. claire mccaskill is one of them. categorically denied it and she did. nancy pelosi said this today about this russian ambassador. >> you've been in congress a little bit. you're in leadership. have you ever met with the russian ambassador? >> not with this russian ambassador, no. >> that's not true. she did meet with this russian ambassador. president trump actually tweeted out the photo of her meeting with that ambassador. if she didn't think whatever conversation she had with him was worth mentioning or didn't remember it, is it possible that when sessions says it wasn't relevant at all to the campaign, that's why i didn't mention it, is it possible that's true and explains all this? >> not possible because let's look at what sessions knew to be

the case at the moment that he testified. first, 17 different intelligence agencies have concluded that the russians interfered with our election for the sole purpose of helping donald trump become president. we also know that since december of 2015, at least four different trump cronies had frequent communication with russian intelligence officers at the same time that they were hacking. he knew that the national security adviser probably violated a federal statute in december of 2016. >> he said they talked about religion, ukraine. got testy. certainly remembered it. but there was nothing about the campaign on there. >> this is the greatest set of coincidences perhaps in the history of our american republic. fit's all one big coincidence, let's have a full and fair investigation so the american people can know the facts. >> before you go, i want to understand still the people who think this could be political. then attorney general loretta lynch met with bill clinton privately, incensed republicans, called for her resignation,

similar to what we're hearing now from some democrats. president trump at the time tweeted does anybody believe bill clinton and the u.s. attorney general only talked about grandkids and golf for 37 minutes on the tarmac? sound like what we're hearing now, of course we're going to believe sessions didn't talk about the campaign. here's what republicans are saying. >> again, i'm a former prosecutor. these are the kind of things that raise a lot of questions in my mind. >> of course i meant democrats. why is what democrats are doing right now not just playing politics? >> well, because we're concerned that a foreign power may have interfered with our election in what is really an act of 21st century warfare in terms of the cyber hacking that took place. we think this is not a partisan issue. and that republicans should put country over party and let's follow the facts and give the american people the answer they

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>> russia is a ruse. >> reporter: different players but the same playbook? >> translator: this all looks like a witch-hunt. >> reporter: the russian government is sounding a lot like the white house in denying any improper ties between the two. >> we are fighting the fake news. >> stop spreading lie and false news. >> reporter: yet skepticism, especially among the president's foes, persists. why? >> i would get along with putin. i've dealt with russia. >> you think you'd get along with putin. >> i think i'd get along with him fine. absolutely fine. >> reporter: ever since he incited conflict, the web of suspicion as widened. paul manafort worked for years with the pro-russian president of ukraine. manafort is being scrutinized by investigators for his contact with russians known to u.s. intelligence during the campaign. president trump's assessment just weeks ago -- >> he said that he has

absolutely nothing to do and never has with russia. >> reporter: carter page lived in moscow, did business with russian energy firms, and trump said page was on his foreign policy team. although not anymore. >> carter page is an individual who the president-elect does not know and was put on notice months ago by the campaign. >> reporter: national security adviser michael flynn resigned after less than a month when it was found he misled the administration about his talks with the russians. we now know the president's son-in-law, jared kushner, also attended a meeting with flynn and the russians just before the new year. and now it's been revealed that jeff sessions, the nation's top cop, also had contacts with the russians. he could have been the one to decide whether to charge anyone in connection with russian hacking of the presidential election. >> therefore i have recused myself in the matters that deal with the trump campaign. >> reporter: and there is

this -- assertions by u.s. intelligence that russian cyber attacks on democratic party computers were aimed at influencing the outcome of the november vote. put it all together and that's why suspicions keep growing no matter how the white house dismisses them. now, it is important to note there is currently no proof any laws were broken or any influence peddled by anyone tied to the trump team. yet the question remains, was any kind of deal ever asked for or offered in all those meetings with the russians? erin? >> tom, thank you very much. that of course is what all these investigations are supposed to ascertain. there is no evidence of any quid pro quo now. "out front" now, former chairman of the house select committee on intelligence retired fbi special about mike rogers, david urban, helped run trump's campaign, and cnn analyst, former cia operative bob baer. let me start with you, bob.

when you hear these connections, it is a lot. congressman jeffries said if it's a coincidence, it's the biggest one in american history. more news of these meetings is coming out every day. there is smoke. how much fire do you think there is? >> first of all, i don't trust the russians. i spent 21 years in the cia going up against them. they're very good. they've run covert action operations against this country for years. well documented. i just don't like all this russian contacts. we just don't know what they were after. we don't know what was promised. the fact that national security adviser flynn was on the phone trying to influence the russians before he was in office is a bad sign. sessions' meeting with the russian ambassador alone is insignificant at this point other than perjury, but the russians, we have to get into this. frankly, i keep hearing people are --

>> let bob finish, david, then you can jump in. >> i'm just passing on what i hear on the street. was trump put in by the russians? i don't think he was, but that's what americans think until we clear this up. that cloud hangs over his term for the next four years. >> if they came out and said they did it, but they didn't. >> but the -- >> let me play a couple examples. >> sure. >> go ahead. >> i never had meetings with russian operatives or russian intermediaries about the trump campaign. i don't recall any discussion of the campaign in any significant way. >> i might have said hello to a few people walking by me at the graduation speech i gave in july but no meetings.

i'm not going to deny that i talked with them. >> you talked to them. >> i will say i never met him anywhere outside of cleveland. >> okay. these are reversals, david. >> they're not. they're not reversals. carter page was on an advisory committee. i didn't interact with him or hear his name mentioned or see him anywhere on the campaign. the attorney general, his statements were 100% correct. he didn't talk about -- >> i never had meetings about the trump campaign. >> about the campaign. correct. >> in the same day, last night on fox news, i don't recall any discussions of the campaign in any significant way. just said he didn't have any at all. already moving the goal post. >> he didn't move the goal post. when he met with the ambassador in cleveland, he was a supporter of president trump. he was a supporter just like many members of congress were a supporter. >> he was a surrogate. >> at most. i'm not trying to minimize the

senator's role. he was a surrogate. he was not directly involved in the day-to-day operations of the campaign. he met -- it was remarks with the ambassador as well, several other ambassadors at an event after a speech he gave. so it was de minimis contact at best. >> then there was another meeting in his office. [ talking over each other ] >> as a senator. when he was asked the question by senator franken, senator franken didn't ask him did you meet with anybody from the russian government. he asked him a hypothetical question which had nothing to do with what you're talking about. >> congressman, if you were asked this question under oath, did you have contacts with the russians, would you have answered the way he answered the question? would you have said, yes, i did, and it was in this role, we talked about these four things, it wasn't what you think -- how would you have answered it? >> i'm not sure that's a fair question only because i went back and i've gone through that

question three or four times. as a former fbi agent i said are there any elements of perjury here. candidly, i can't find them. this is why. the context of the question was about the campaign. and i am for certain senator sessions never walked into a meeting and talked about the campaign in his role as the united states senator. and i think in his mind he was reacting to the question under the pressure of the spotlight saying no, i never talked to the ruxs about -- i can see where that's happened. >> although last night you said in any significant way he has changed it from being definitive to saying it may have come up. >> well, you mean they talked about the campaign casually. maybe another issue. i'm just telling you the standard of perjury, as a former federal investigator and fbi agent, i don't see it. i do see this -- listen, if the trump campaign wants to put this behind them, i think they ought to come out and talk about the things that are important to what russia is doing today. i think they should acknowledge the fact that the russians were

engaged in information operation campaign. i'm not sure i believe it actually changed people's votes but certainly the russians were engaged in it, ought to acknowledge that, then they should go through and say we're not changing our position on sanctions, not doing away with sanctions. we're going to deal with them aggressively on them moving missiles into places, deal with their aggressive nps the arctic, deal with their aggressiveness against -- if they do that, this tit for tat, i'm scratching my head with all the serious of international and national security issues facing the country, it seems almost childish this fighting. the democrats are dug in because i think this is what they've got. this is the president of the united states. >> bob, let me ask you, because when congressman says it's almost childish the tit for tat, some people could see that, but when you were talking earlier, you said you thought this had the potential to be even bigger

than watergate so you see it differently. >> no. >> bob, go ahead. >> i said that? i don't think i said watergate. >> no, not you. bob baer. >> oh, okay. >> what's really bothering me is the financial relations between trump and russia potentially. doesn't have any leverage over trump. i think he needs to release his tax returns. they need to be clarified. did he ever take indirectly or directly money from russia. we need to clear up that. i'm not saying he did. >> it's a ruse and a witch-hunt. many rabbit holes here that will prove nothing. democrats lost the election, they're trying to blame it on the russians rather than a bad candidate and bad messaging. >> thank you all. >> it could be like benghazi but it could go nowhere, but we have to clear it up. >> thank you. next, a homeland security report we've obtained finds that

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the department of homeland security tonight considering separating parents and children who cross the southern border of united states illegally. a senior official at the agency telling cnn the proposal is meant to stop the exploitation of children. the official saying some parents use it to get children better treatment, sometimes they aren't even the child's parents, they're smugglers just trying to get into the united states and stay there illegally using children. this comes days after trump doubled down on immigration in his address to congress, sending a pointed message with one family's story. >> reporter: donald trump made jameel a promise. has mr. trump as president kept his promise? >> yes.

he told me my son's life would not be in vain. >> reporter: trump promised he'd do whatever he could to keep other families from experiencing what the shaws did. how did you find out your son had been shot? >> i heard it, heard the gunshot and just knew. i remember saying, damn! >> reporter: in 2008, his eldest son, a standout high school running back preparing for candlelight vigil was shot execution style by 19-year-old pedro espinoza, who had been released from jail a day earlier on a charge of assault with a deadly weapon, but the city did not hand him over to immigration authorities then. who do you blame besides the actual person who killed your son for the death of your son? >> anybody supports sanctuary cities. three gun charges, stabbed people. he was just say the disciple and in the country, in the gang database. come on, man. do your damn job. all you had to do was get him

out of here. >> reporter: shaw has been fighting ever since to get jameel's law passed that targets undocumented immigrants who join gangs. fast forward to 2015 and sean got a chance to hand his proposal to then candidate donald trump. then in president trump's joint address to congress he recognized shaw and offered this -- >> i have ordered the department of homeland security to create an office to serve american victims. the office is called voice -- victims of immigration crime engagement. >> reporter: some democrats groaned and booed the new office. >> i took it as an insult. why wouldn't that be a good ideal to have a department set up for those people? obama was using that same money for the dhaka people. >> reporter: what do you think about the dreamer program? >> the dreamer murdered my son. he was brought here by no fault of his own, you know, grew up to be 19, and he murdered somebody, so you can't just say blanket

that all dreamers are good people. >> reporter: but critics of trump's immigration stance say his focus is misplaced, pointing to several studies listed by the cato institute, all showing immigrants are less crime prone than those who are native born. >> what do i care about the statistic? my son is in a cemetery. i'm not saying all illegals are doing that. but we got enough trouble with americans and you're going to import more? >> reporter: one of the studies that looked at census numbers from 1980, 1990, 2000, showed that incarceration rates of those people who are immigrants are one-fifth those who are native-born americans. but mr. shaw still insists that statistics be damned, that's in his words, he says it was your child, you'd feel the same. now the person who killed his son is serving in san quentin prison. he was sentenced to death. erin? >> thank you very much, sara. "out front" now, a california state senate leader kev din de

le leon, democrat, and former congressman tom tancredo. senator, let me start with the question that jameel shaw put. he says he blames people who support sanctuary cities for his son's death. you support those cities. you are in l.a. you are an elected representative. what do you say to him? >> my heart goes out to the shaw fami family. it was a tragic death. the individual who killed his son is a bad person and is getting what he deserves, no doubt, being in prison in san quentin. i can say that the term sanctuary cities is nebulous. it means different things to different people. on the far right, it's a volatile political term. on the left, it's somewhat misleading. there's no such thing as an invisible theeld or if you're an undocumented immigrant you can run under that shield or behind that shield and you're protected. the reality is that immigration law is enforced by a federal immigration authorities, homeland security, and i.c.e., and no one can protect you from that. what keck do, california and

other parts, is say we're not going to participate separating mothers from chair thirn. >> he's referring to the protections of sanctuary cities and talked about dreamers. he said you can't blanket them and say they're good people. a dreamer murdered my son. does he have a point? just because you came in this country and it wasn't you who made the decision, maybe your parent did or someone else, do you just get blanket protection to stay here? that's the question he's raising. is it fair? >> to me, i'm sorry -- >> yeah. i'm going to congressman first. i'm sorry, senator de leon, then congressman you can respond. go ahead, senator. >> sure. that's okay. >> i'm sorry. erin. you confused me a little bit. tom tancredo or -- >> i'm going to you. is it fair? he's saying you can't blanket all dreamers and say they're good people, a dreamer murdered my son. is he right that just offering protections to people because they came in this country not of their own free will when they

were children is not fair? >> let me say again i feel very badly for the shaw family. my heart goes out tho mr. shaw. what happened to his son is tragic. we also have to be careful we don't blanket all immigrants. this individual who killed his son is a bad person and is getting exactly what he deserves. that being said, dreamers are given an opportunity because at no fault of their own they came to this country at a young age, they are americans by every imaginable -- >> now, congressman, let me bring you in. the father is saying this young man who murdered his son would have had the protection of a dreamer. he would have had that because he wasn't born here and didn't come here of his own free will. >> that's right. understand, please, we're not talking about all immigrants. of course not. sanctuary city is a place that provides a haven. it says -- the mayors of these cities have said openly, don't worry, we won't turn you in. if you come into contact with

our police force for doing something wrong, don't worry, we won't tell i.c.e. about you. that is sanctuary city. and people flock to that. people take advantage of that. people who kill americans. this is not just an isolated incident, the shaw family. this has happened literally -- i'm not kidding when i say this -- thousands of times throughout this nation. and how? because somebody commits a crime over and over and over again, one kind of crime, whether it's driving under the influence or robbery, doesn't matter, they commit all these crimes antarctica and they're never reported. if they had been they may have well been deported for committing another crime besides coming here illegally. when you don't try, that's sanctuary. i believe with all my heart any local official that votes for this, any mayor that accepts this and promotes it, they are

culpable in these murders, in these rapes. they should be held liable. they should be held liable from a civil standpoint, maybe even criminally because they are aiding and abetting people that they know should not be here. we're not just talking about general run-of-the-mill, the immigrant who's come here to make a better life. no. that's not who we're talking about. we're talking about people who have violated the law over and over again but are never reported to i.c.e. because they are given sanctuary. that's what we're talking about. that's what a sanctuary city is. >> senator de leon? >> i can say that tom's, you know, comments again are incendiary. they're xenophobic and look for scapegoats. the reality is the vast majority of immigrants are very hardworking, they're law abiding, taxpaying residents of this great state. the fact he continuously uses a narrative that these individuals are murderers, rapists, inflames if you will the polemipolemic,

polarizing debate. what they do is demonize and pit one group against another. what happened to mr. shaw was a tragedy, without question. but to actually, you know, provide a blanket statement and accuse immigrants of all being rapists or murderers is uncalled for. >> who has done that? who is doing that? >> all right. >> are you saying i accused all immigrants of being rape ips is murderers? then you were not listening if you said that. if you were listening and say it anyway, then you are of course lying about me and about -- which happens over and over when i come on, especially this network. >> i have to leave threat. thank you both very much. "out front" next, the white house has promised to revise travel ban for weeks but we still don't have it. where is it? and the president spending fizz fourth of the last five weekends at mar-a-lagmar-a-lago.

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security report undercutting president trump's travel ban. the intelligence assessment we've obtained shows most foreign-born violent extremists become radicalized after living in the united states for years. it happens here. it comes after trump administration has repeatedly delayed issuing a new travel ban. jeff zeleny is "out front" at the white house with the breaking news. first on the travel ban, we were told wednesday, later this week, now the week is over, where is it? >> reporter: that is the best question. the white house doesn't have an answer. it won't be this evening or tomorrow. the president is down in florida. maybe next week. but this is a sign there are still issues. they are trying to write something to stand up to legal challenges. they know those are coming given what's happened in the last five weeks or so but they are trying to craft this in a narrow way but are getting pushbacks from other agencies and now likely we're told, about six majority

muslim countries here. it could come next week. this is his big campaign promise, probably the best example of how governing, writing this executive order, is far tougher here than it appeared on the campaign trail. >> jeff zeleny, thank you very much. mark preston, this issue of urgency has been so central to the ban. the president said it had to be done right away or this country wouldn't be safe. if the ban keeps being delayed then does it undercut his own case? here he is saying why it was so urgently needed. >> reporte >> the unfortunate part is it takes time statutorily so it takes a little time. we have other actions including filing a brand-new order on monday. we need speed. for reasons of security. >> speed for reasons of security yet it is they who are delay, delay, delay. >> i spoke to somebody in the white house today and they said one of the rps why that it

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tonight president trump is in mar-a-lago. >> reporter: president trump arriving in florida to spend another weekend at his mar-a-lago resort. >> we get a lot of work done. it's not rest at the southern white house. it's all work. >> reporter: his fancy florida estate, his go-to for getting business done outside the white house and hosting leaders like japan's prime minister. but his weekends at mar-a-lago are costing u.s. taxpayers big money. from firing up air force one to fly to florida with traveling staff. to securing the beach front property with coast guard pat l patrols. "the washington post" estimates the trips so far have cost up to $10 million in just five weeks. and at the same time, taxpayers are also footing the bill to operate camp david, the secluded presidential retreat less than 70 miles from the white house. set aside for presidential down time and diplomacy. even dormant, it costs abestimated $8 million a year to run. trump has expressed little interest in using the cheaper

alternative. describing the retreat to reporters as very rustic, saying it's nice, you'd like it, you know how long you'd like it? for about 30 minutes. >> it doesn't fit everybody. president obama was a city guy. this is a remote location. i don't think initially president clinton was crazy about it but came to love it. remember, jimmy carter almost thought about getting rid of it. thankfully he didn't. >> reporter: famously carter brokered the historic 1978 peace accord between egypt and israel at camp david. anita mcbride, who worked in both bush white house, says for them it was a sanctuary. >> still the only presidential family that spent 12 christmases at camp david. >> reporter: the private secure location also enables some world leaders to grow close, as bush revealed what he discovered after hosting tony blair. >> we both use colgate toothpaste.

>> they're going to wonder how you knew that. >> reporter: president franklin d. roosevelt called it sangry la. his doctor believed it helped his sinuses. president reagan visited 150 times off on the ride his horse. president clinton failed to get a peace deal after sequestering the israeli and palestinian leaders there for two weeks. and president obama hosted african and g-8 leaders at a summit early in his presidency but rarely returned, spending most weekends at the white house. whether trump continues to use mar-a-lago as his so-called winter white house, camp david remains open because not only is it a retreat, it's a military installation doubling as a bunker to assure continuity of government in times of crisis. as was the case on 9/11. erin? >> thank you very much. 12 christmases. "out front" next, jerusalem, one of the most sacred cities in the

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the show uses new science and archaeological research to reveal new discoveries about the people, the places, the events that shape the life of jesus. cnn david gregory is back from getting updates on these artifacts. >> always great to go to the holy land. any trip there is a rich experience of faith. but for me the layers of history informed by biblical historians and archaeologists deepen that experience and that sense of place is drawing religious pilgrims like never before. jerusalem calls to the faithful. here the bible comes to life. and pilgrims come in search of it history. >> this is something that's one of the most powerful and remarkable things about tradition, you can actually go to the place where things

happened. >> reporter: we've come to the old city with professor paula frederickson in search of the historical jesus. >> i think the historical jesus has always mattered to christianity or we wouldn't have the gospels. those are stories about jesus, the man. >> reporter: along the villa de la rosa, the pilgrim imagines the agony and physical strain for jesus of nazareth during the march to crucifixion. on his final journey the gospels say he faltered carrying the cross, placing his hand on this stone before simon helps to bear the burden. visiting methodists from a church in st. louis find a visit to the place makes for deeper spiritual meaning. >> i think scripture goes from black and white to techny color when you come here because all of a sudden you serendipitously discover things or you've been reading your whole life, studying your whole life and it's this kind of aha, oh my goodness, i get why gee suz came here.

>> reporter: jerusalem is the epicenter of three great faiths -- christianity, judaism, and islam. but more than half of the visitors to the country are christians coming increase lig from asia and african nations. meeting parishioners from ohio to the site of the visitation where mary is said to have praised god after learning she is the mother of jesus, father steve says the history is meant to help us live our faith today. >> when you go to a place where there's a shrine or where your ancestors have been, where people of faith have been for a long period of time, it also reminds you that, you know, we're all on pilgrimage and we take this experience of these holy places into our daily life. >> the narrative of the new testament unfolds powerfully

around galilee. today it's where visitors come to explore the natural beauty but look up from the page of the gospels and imagine what happened here. this is a landscape of miracles -- love and faith. where jesus is said to have told his floers, don't be afraid. today it's where pilgrims are said to dig deeper. these students are volunteering at an archaeological site. >> we are trying to show the people how they lived in the last 2,000 years. >> reporter: artifacts from such digs may end up at the israel museum in jerusalem. here the findings include remains of a jewish high priest and a stone bearing the name of roman governor pontius pilate. >> it's an amazing coincidence that two architects like this that relate directly to the last moments of jesus, to the arrest and trial and cruise crucifixion

were found. >> reporter: evidence for the faithful in this city under god. >> thank you so much, david gregory. the new season of "finding jesus" begins sunday night at 9:00 eastern on cnn. thanks for joining us and have a great weekend. "ac 360" starts right now. tonight, new re lagss about previously undisclosed contact between russia and trump associates. recently president trump is back at mar-a-lago tonight, called russia a ruse and when asked if such contact took place during the campaign said, quote, i have nothing to do with russia and, quote, no person i deal with does. that said, the stories keep coming about former aides, the attorney general, his son-in-law, talking the russian ambassadors during or after the campaign, not uncommon or improper. it's the denial, nondisclosure and the rest raising questions and driving a string of investigati