different from you than you actually thought, and i think especially nowadays that's not such a bad lesson to learn. if you can do it for a 44-minute tv show maybe you can do it in your life and communities. >> that is certainly a fair point. reza aslan, thank you for that. cnn's original series "believer" airs tonight. the next hour of "newsroom" starts now. ♪ ♪ top of the hour now. you are live in the cnn "newsroom." i'm pamela brown in washington. great to have you along with us on this very busy sunday. the breaking news tonight, a request by the fbi to the justice department to publicly refute allegations by president trump that he was wiretapped by his predecessor barack obama during the campaign. this as the president remains steadfast in that assertion despite presenting no evidence. he told a conservative website "newsmax," quote, this will be

investigated. it will all come out. i will be proven right. his press secretary calling on congress to investigate whether executive powers were abused during the campaign and meanwhile, we've just learned that congressional democrats are now demanding answers about whether there may have been improper contact between the trump white house and the justice department. so, clearly, a lot going on. i want to bring in cnn crime and justice producer shimon. what can you tell us about this letter that the group plans to send out tomorrow and what you're learning about the fbi's request? >> you know, pamela, it just seems like every hour there's something new happening and it seems like there are more and more investigations coming and more and more peopling can for more information. within the last hour, members of the judiciary, democrats on the judiciary on the hill say they're going to ask tomorrow they're going to ask the lawyers at the white house, the counsel for the white house to release

communications between, any information between communications between the white house and the department of justice concerning this investigations and sort of what was asked of them by the department of justice regarding these wiretappings. so that's happening tomorrow. this letter comes on the heels of our reporting tonight, the story first reported by "the new york times" that the fbi had asked the department of just toys refute the allegations made by donald trump in this tweet storm yesterday morning that the obama administration that the president trump was wiretapping his phones, listening to his conversations, and today we learn that the fbi yesterday in a stunning move asked the department of just toys refute those claims and for political reasons it seems the fbi felt it was better for the department of

justice to handle this. they would be able to talk to the white house about this, and i think certainly the fbi director has wanted to keep himself removed from this and limiting his communications with the white house about any sort of investigation. it's just a policy that he has held to, and he firmly believes in, and also part of t the fbi just does not comment on investigations. there's always that famous line from them. we can't confirm or deny an investigation. so the fbi really felt it was a better way to handle this was to go through the department of justice and also, i think, comey was really concerned by his comments aside from it being just not true. just sort of the idea that someone at the fbi would be working with the obama administration and illegally wiretapping really concerned him and that's why he did this. >> right, i mean, and this is a

remarkable rebuke and remarkable demand from the fbi to ask the department of just toys knock down these reports. you sort of touched on this, shimon, but any more color behind the scenes of making this request to the department of justice, who may have made the request? >> it's pretty safe to say that nothing happened at this level without the director having knowledge of it. i think he probably spoke with his staff. some of the sources and officials that i've talked to today have kind of been sensitive about it. i'm not sure they wanted this out. it did get out and now they're dealing with it. i think their concern obviously is politically. you have the chief law enforcement officer basically fighting with the president right now accusing the president in some ways of lying, of making these allegations that just are not true and comey really felt something had to be done and we'll see what happens over the next few days and where this

goes and mrit beingly what this means for comey. it's going to be really interesting and for the department of justice, as well because there's a lot of concern there with the career staff about the implications of this. the implications of these allegations can't be understated, and i think it's really, really concerning for all and perhaps maybe comey just felt like something had to be done and this is what he did. i mean, you know, comey has this history of sort of stepping up and staying strong to his beliefs. >> as he did in the clinton -- >> well, that's true. you say stepping up and he also stepped up and was very public when it came to the hillary clinton e-mail probe, of course, holding that press conference in july, not even telling the justice department about that and then, of course, when he re-opened the case he went against the justice department's wish to do so. so any indication, shimon, i

know you touched on this, but why director comey thought it best for the justice department to knock this down? >> the best way, as it was explained to me sort of was the department of justice can communicate with the white house. there is some indication they think the fbi would have preferred for the department of justice to handle this and to deal with this politically and they can communicate with the white house and they can communicate with the white house council and sort of come together with some agreement to how to handle this and refute the allegations. >> all right, shimon. thanks for breaking that down for us, a busy sunday for you and i imagine it will be a very busy week for the two of us. shimon, thanks so much. let's talk about this over with the panel. we have jill doherty, and david gregory, cnn political analyst. david, this is uncharted territory, best we can tell. the fbi trying to knock down a claim from a sitting president.

how do you think president trump may respond to this? >> well, without restraint given the way he's behaved here recently. i think what's quite clear is that president trump thinks that there are forces trying to sabotage his administration. what we don't know is whether he or his advisers have come clean about whatever contact there was that may have been inappropriate with russia in the course of the election at a time when russia was engaged in a major information war against the united states which senator mccain has called an act of war against the united states to undermine the 2016 election. so now you've got jim comey back in the news, back in the thick of things getting very public about saying this was absolutely not true, that the president has leveled a charge against his predecessor of breaking the law, of illegally wiretapping him or his associates based on a breitbart article and a talk

show and not on any government sources whatsoever. so this is quite shocking even by trump standards. >> and you mentioned, james comey back in the news. the irony is that clearly the fbi wanted to sort of stay out of this and let the department of justice publicly refute it, but of course, this is how it's playing out and jill, in a sense, this is behavior and those that the u.s. associate with russian politics and one leader accusing his predecessor of wiretapping. how is this playing out in russia? >> you know, remember a couple of weeks ago when we talked about this and the president was set back by all of this and we didn't get what happened with the relationship. we expected that it would work out and we expected there would be a payoff and some type of better relations and that's not happening. so i think for a couple of weeks -- for the past couple of weeks they have been trying to figure out how do we play this because the media are controlled by the putin administration.

now they've got their message together and the message essentially is we have to lower expectations, number one, about donald trump. not get the russian people excited as much as they were about the relationship because not a lot may happen. in fact, you can argue right now it's worse than ever, and then they had to come up with some type of explanation as to why this is all happening, and i think that they kind of went back to the shelf of old soviet ideas. i mean, you look at some of the message. they're saying american societiy is divided. it is a violent society and this is a phrase. they're actually calling out the american media the oligarchic media. oligarchs as most americans would know, is a word we kind of associate with the rich, rich people who controlled the russian government, et cetera. now the russians are flipping that and saying this is the

oligarchic media, and they're also coming down on liberals, radical liberals. so it's very interesting to watch and as david was saying, the russian -- what they are saying, i find almost uncannily similar to what donald trump is saying. they're saying donald trump is pinned down to the ground by intense fire, meaning gun fire by the liberal media, the radical, liberal media. and so they even got to the point and one thing that i was reading today where they said, you know, the united states has a lot of guns, and it's a pretty violent place so we don't know where this is going. in fact, we don't know where it will end or whether it will end at all. so i think they're using a lot of the things that americans have accused russia of doing. they are flipping it back on to the united states, but they're also kind of standing back and

they don't know where all this is going either. >> and you know -- >> just this latest example, look, president trump was the one that tweeted a remarkable accusation about a former president wiretapping his phone, and so how could the media not reaction to something like that? and in the wake of that, david gregory, what about this white house request now in the wake of this tweet for a congressional investigation into this? how is that going to play in the u.s.? spending taxpayer money to investigate claims with no solid evidence provided? >> well, look. this is ridiculous on a couple of levels. the president of the united states with the whole world watching now and there are implications for this is accusing his predecessor of illegally wiretapping him and his associates. the fbi director says that is false. that did not happen and so does president obama and after making

that assertion without evidence now they're asking congress to investigate to perhaps find some evidence and there is a lot of noise here and we have a recognizable pattern in this fledgling administration and that is a president who is extremely thin skinned who feels besieged and who is lashing out. there's been reporting this weekend about how furious he was at his staff before he left for florida this weekend. he wants congressional investigations and he's got an attorney general who has recused himself after giving inaccurate testimony on capitol hill related to his contacts with russian officials and so this is going in so many different directions that trump does not like and it's not going away and what we've seen is every time he feels besieged he launches something like this without any evidence whatsoever and spends everybody scurrying and that's what's happening this weekend, but at a time when the president would like to get focused on some very big agenda items that he wants to take on that are policy, i think it's quite clear that whatever the basis of whatever wiretapping was going

on, if there was a reason to be going on against candidate trump and his associates at the time, that should be great cause for concern, as are the assertions he's leveling without evidence. >> it's been reported he was angry about the headlines recently about russia and the russian ambassador's meetings with his cabinet members such as jeff sessions during the campaign, but is this latest accusation, i mean, is this a better distraction because the argument is made, david, that he put this out there to sort of take away from those other headline, but is this any better? what's your take on that? >> no, i don't think this can get any better. as jill was speaking to, there is a reaction in russia. russia has been long involved in trying to create information-based turbulence in the united states around elections and is seizing on that in the digital age to do so in an even more sophisticated way, but look, the world is watching the conduct of this president and the conduct of his policy

and he's just rolling out things that he's in some control of here. what happens when there is a real crisis? what happens when the american president has to persuade allies around the world to do something, to believe him? right now he is at war with the intelligence community with the united states, at war hilariously with the media in this country and presumably it will certainly take on the head of the fbi who is now pushing up against him quite strongly. so all of this as there is fighting on capitol hill as to how deep this investigation should go into the russia connection. none of this is good and all of it is a huge disfraction from what the president would like to get focused on and trying to do was to improve the economy, think. >> there are crises going on, and just today we reported that north korea has had four, an

accusation like this that was being comboed down by the fbi doesn't help president trump's case or goal to have the media focus policy. very quick, jill. does this make the u.s. appear weaker in putin's eyes? >> there's no question. even in russia where they are using the united states and what is happening right now is a very bad example of what can happen when you loosen up and when you have these radical liberals because president putin himself will run for reelection, we would bet in 2018 so the campaign has already begun and he's using the united states as a bad example of what can happen, and then other countries that are looking at this chaos and saying how are the americans even functioning, and i talked to a lot of people in europe and in the soviet union space, and a lot of them, when i'm looking

back and saying where is this going? what will the united states do? what will this administration do? this really serious concern that i think a lot of americans probably aren't even aware of. >> all right. jill doherty, david gregory, interesting discussion. i do appreciate it. thanks so much. coming up right here in the "newsroom," much more on the breaking news. the fbi pushing back on accusations from president donald trump that the previous administration ordered wiretapping against him at trump tower. also ahead, north korea with a flurry of missile tests, four in all, falling into the sea of japan. you are live in the cnn "newsroom." love is knowing... he's the one. (vo)...it was meant to be. and love always keeps you safe. we're fine. (vo) love is why we built a car you can trust. now and for a long time to come. the all-new subaru impreza sedan and five-door.

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it is our breaking news this sunday right here on cnn. the fbi demanding the justice department tell the american people that president trump's wiretapping claim is baseless and never happened. this is according to our sources. nothing yet, though, in terms of

formal announcements from either the fbi or higher. let me bring in tom fuentes, a former assistant director of the fbi and our law enforcement analyst and also james carafano who runs the heritage foundation. good to have both of you gentlemen on. tom, first to you, explain how the fbi, your former agency would make such a demand and has this ever happened before, in your view? >> well, pam, i can't explain how they would make the demand because i don't know of any time it's ever been done before for the fbi to ask someone at the department of justice to release a statement that basically would say that what the president said yesterday is not true, that the fbi did not have a wiretap on mr. trump and his associates and now president trump. that's unprecedented. the other problem, as i see it is that there's no attorney general to ask about this because attorney general sessions had already recused

himself last week from anything concerning the investigation of the -- of these allegations that mr. trump's associates were, you know, working with the russians to alter the election results. so now you don't have an attorney general and because it's so new in the administration you don't have a staff to deal with. you don't have a confirmed deputy attorney general and others at that level so this is very similar to last july where director comey didn't have an attorney general then because loretta lynch had said she would rely on whatever decision director comey made with regard to the clinton e-mail investigation. so here we have another incomplete staffing at the department of justice on this case. >> but we have a different response, seemingly, because in that case we know director comey held that press conference and was very public about his conclusion with the hillary clinton e-mail probe. in this case he's asking the

justice department to come out and publicly refute this allegation from the president and, james, to be clear, would there be any way possible for the fbi not to know if then-candidate trump's phone was wiretapped and walk us through the process for why this would actually happen? >> to tom's point first, we don't know what the fbi director has asked for because they haven't commented yet. that's important. we all made a lot of assumptions about what he said. >> we do have our reporting that the fbi asked. >> reporting on lots of thing, but we don't know precisely what the fbi's asked for. i think it's smart for the fbi to basically stay out of the political cross fire. i think he's asking for the justice department to clarify something, and i think that's appropriate. the fbi shouldn't be doing that and what i would hope and what i would assume the case is, the number one thing that the fbi is

interested in is if there is an ongoing investigation, regardless of who is involved in it, that the fbi doesn't want to have to make any statements or have the justice department make any statements that would compromise that investigation. there are two possible venues here. one is this could be a criminal investigation and then a legitimate warrant would come from some place else or it could involve foreign intelligence. we would come under a fisa court or we'd go to a special court to get authorization for wiretapping because foreign intelligence is involved, but in either case we don't know who it might involve. it might involve someone who is in the trump tower or it might have involved a call into somebody that was incidental, and again, as tom will tell you, just because someone is being investigated or listened to as part of a legitimate wiretap doesn't necessarily mean that they've committed any wrongdoing. >> just to reiterate, our

reporting is that the fbi asked the justice department to refute this allegation from president trump that the president -- the past president asked for his phone to be wiretapped and that was granted. tom, what does this mean for the relationship between james comby and president trump? >> i think what director comey has found out going back to july is that all glory is fleeting. you know, one minute when he gives a decision that seems favorable to one side he's praised and the next minute he's criticized and i think we recently, when president trump began his administration he backed up director comey, that he wanted him to continue as the director and now this is going to cause a problem in this relationship. we've never had this before and we've never had president trump where he's in the middle of a firestorm and we don't know how

he'll react to that. we know how he reacted yesterday morning when the accusations were made, you know, in certain media outlets that he had been wiretapped by the obama administration and when he heard that he quickly was upset with that. so what's going to happen now? i don't know. >> let me just ask you thshgs james, because this is not the first allegation that officials have said is baseless. i mean, you'll recall when president trump said there were 3 to 5 million people who voted illegally and in talking to people in the justice department say there was no fact that back that up and that appears to be the case in this situation so why -- why is the director seemingly so adamant for this to be publicly refuted, james? >> again, we don't know the director is adamant. we just know there's reporting that says he's adamant and director comey is a man of incredible integrity and professionalism, and i think

he'll do just fine in the trump administration because he's doing his job, and i think both he and mr. sessions will respect that. on the tweeting, i would be the first to acknowledge, as a matter of fact, i've written a lot about this that trump's tweeting is often imprecise. i'll give you a perfectly good example. he tweeted the other day that one of the meetings that sessions had was with 100 ambassadors. that wasn't actually correct. it was a state department event. there were about a hundred people in the room, and i know because i was there, but there were actually about 60 ambassadors. does that make trump's statement false? no, it's just trump being trump, and my perspective is i think people are starting to segregate the political firestorm and the cross fire from the actual acts of governance, and i actually think that these kind of debates that we all get excited and everything about that americans are getting largely ambivalent to this, and what i see in

foreign leaders is they pay far less attention. they were reading trump's tweets and they've learned that's not a useful exercise. >> thank you to both of you. just ahead in the cnn "newsroom" north korea presenting a policy crisis with donald trump's new administration. the projectiles landing in the sea near japan. that's up next. you're live in the cnn newsroom. and verizon has been ranked number one for the 7th time in a row by rootmetrics. (man) hey, uh, what's rootmetrics? it's the nation's largest independent study and it ranked verizon #1 in call, text, data, speed and reliability. (woman) do they get a trophy? not that i know of. but you get unlimited done right. (man 2) why don't they get a trophy? (man 3) they should get something. (woman 2) how about a plaque? i have to drop this. my arm's getting really tired. unlimited on verizon. 4 lines, just $45 per line. that the essence of integrity

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be combing through the u.s. satellite data to try to find anything more they can about it and it was launched from the western part of north korea, this is an area where quite often long-range missiles are fired from and also the same area where a satellite launch happened just last year which was seen as a cover for a long-range missile and that is raising questions into what exactly these ballistic missiles were and there has been a meeting and the acting president saying this is a direct challenge to the international community. also saying given the brutality of north korea and we've seen with the assassination of kim jong-nam and the half-brother of kim jong-un which south korea blames on the north and the regime having nuclear weapons would be horrible. adding it is something that is hard to imagine and there is a huge amount of concern here in south korea.

pamela? >> will, what about the concern in japan? how are the japanese responding to this? are they perceiving this as a threat? >> reporter: they certainly are, pamela. just down the road from where we're standing now, shinzo abe has been speaking with lawmakers and he confirms these are four ballistic missiles that landed in the waters very close to japan help he says this is a new level of threat and i was in north korea a couple of weeks ago after the first test of the trump administration and that particular missile we have learned that was a solid missile launched from a mobile launcher and that was particularly dangerous because the mobile launchers were difficult for at satellites to track ahead of time when means these missiles could be a surprise attack and we don't know the full range of these four that were launched and they could hit anywhere in japan including where more than 50,000 u.s. troops are based anywhere on the southern end of the korean peninsula where troops are based and pamela, all of this has continued in north

korea and they expressed anger about the joint u.s. and south korean military exercises that are happening right now and we know what their endgame is. it's to get a ballistic missile with the nuclear warhead capable of reaching locations such as the mainland and united states. despite many efforts to stop the north koreans and cyber attacks trying to lace their supply chain with faulty parts, none of this has appeared to slow their progress. >> will ripley and paula hancocks, thank you very much for your latest reporting there. up next right here in the "newsroom," andrew cuomo making an impromptu visit to israel after a wave of anti-semitic violence in the u.s. >> it has to be addressed forcefully and immediately. zero tolerance for racism, for discrimination. >> our orrin lieberman has more on what the governor has to say. that's next and you're live in the cnn "newsroom." we'll be right back.

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new york governor andrew cuomo in jerusalem today meeting with the israeli prime minister following a wave antisemitic violence in the u.s. calling it, quote, reprehensible. >> governor cuomo laying a wreath at the israeli holocaust museum and the lessons of the past especially relevant today. more than 100 bomb threats called into jewish centers in the u.s. more than a dozen tombstones were toppled in a jewish cemetery in rochester and that's being investigated as a hate crime. >> when you start demonizing differences, it's a social cancer because now the body is feeding on itself, and it has to be addressed forcefully, in my

opinion and immediately, zero tolerance for racism, for discrimination. >> israeli politicians have watched the antisemitic acts from afar taking to tv and social media to speak against antisemitism in the united states. >> many in benjamin netanyahu's govern chlt stayed quiet until donald trump condemned antisemitism. >> we are ar country that stands united in condemning hate and evil in all of its very ugly forms. >> netanyahu who was quick to invite european jews after the attacks in paris has not once been critical of trump or even voiced his concern and steve bannon receives repeated antisemitism. >> there is no greater supporter of the jewish people and the jewish state than president donald trump. >> netanyahu has urged caution

and expressed optimism with the trump administration and the first time netanyahu has worked with the republican president, an opportunity too great for netanyahu to risk, even if it means overlooking the criticism trump faces in his handling of a wave of anti-semitism. orrin lieberman, cnn, jerusalem. >> and still to come on this sunday evening, the cnn original series "finding jesus" takes us to the ancient city of jerusalem following tourists on a spiritual quest. you are live in the cnn "newsroom." we'll be right back. boost

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well just into cnn, congressman is apologizing for a crude joke at the expanse of kellyanne conway after a picture of her in the oval office seen here, when went viral. the comments were made by

sedrick richmond at the washington press club foundation's annual dinner. take a listen. >> and you can just explain to me that, that circumstance because she really looked kind of familiar in that position there. >> so now richmond is apologizing in a statement that we just received moments thaeg reads in part, the last thing i would ever want to do is utter words that would hurt or demean women. i apologize to kellyanne conway and everyone who have found my comments to be offensive. well the second season of the cnn original series finding jesus premiers next at 9:00 p.m. eastern. this season, the series takes us to jerusalem for a closer look at the people and places that shape the life of jesus. cnn's david gregory also travelled there and met up with tourists in search of deeper spiritual meeting. >> reporter: jerusalem calls to the faithful. here, the bible comes to life. and pilgrims come in search of it's history.

>> this is something that is one of the most powerful and remarkable things about the tradition. is that you can actually go to the place where things happened. >> reporter: we've come to the old city with professor paula frederickson in search of the historical jesus. >> i think the historical jesus has always mattered to christianity or we wouldn't have the gospels. those were stories about jesus the man. >> reporter: along the area, agony and physical strain for jesus of naz rhett during the march to crucifixion. on his final journey, he faltered carrying the cross. placing his hand on this stone for simon helps to bear the burden. visiting methods from a church in st. louis, find a visit to the place makes for deeper spiritual meaning. >> i think scripture goes from black to white and technicolor when you come here.

all the sudden you serendipitously reading your whole life, studying your whole life and it's like this aha, oh my goodness, i get why jesus came here. >> reporter: jerusalem is the epicenter of three great faiths, christianity, judaism, and islam. more than half of the visitors to the country are christians. coming increasingly from asia and african nations. leading parishioners from ohio to the site of the visitation where mary is said to have praised god after learning she is the mother of jesus. father steve rinaski said the history is meant to help us live our faith today. >> when you go to a place where there's a shrine or where your ancestors have been. where people of faith have been for a long period of time, it also reminds you that, you know, we're all on pilgrimage and we take this experience of these holy places into our daily life.

>> reporter: the narrative of the new testament unfolds powerfully along the shores of the sea of galilee. today is where's religious pilgrims come to explore the natural beauty but to look up from the pages of the gospels and imagine what happened here. this is a landscape of miracles. love and faith. where jesus is said to have told his followers, don't be afraid. today it's where pilgrims come to dig even deeper. these students are volunteering at an archaeological site in the first century town of magda lin. >> show how they lived in the last 2,000 years.len. >> show how they lived in the last 2,000 years. here remains a jewish high

priest and a stone bearing the name of roman governor pilot. >> it's an amazing coincidence that relates directly to the last moments rest and tried and crucifixion were found in excavations. >> reporter: evidence for the faithful in the city under god. david gregory, cnn, jerusalem. >> and david gregory joins us now. so david, clearly, and just watching that clip, this was very personal for you. >> well, i've been on my own faith journey for the past decade or so and written about it in my book "how's your faith." i have deep interest in people who go to the holy land to walk the gospels, walk the tradition, jews, christians, muslims, and find in archaeology a place which has a real impact i think on the development of your own faith and deepening of your

faith. so as somebody was able to do this in, you know, as a journalist, it was also very meaningful. >> and was there any sort of moment throughout this experience for you where you were kind of taken aback or perhaps it was an emotional moment? anything like that in this journey for you? >> well, you know, people of faith differ in terms of the extent to which that sense of place, walking the gospels or walking the bible more generally how much impact that has on them. i'm among those who likes to do it. to try to imagine the sacred text, to try to imagine what happened in history. and to try to imagine these figures in the bible and how they have resonance in our lives today. that's impactful and i just love going to places where we know from the text that things were said to have happened. you know, that we believe in the text that things were to have happened. and that has a lot of meaning for me.

it helps to make it all come alive. >> and just quickly, what will viewers in and your hope walk away with after watching this? >> well again, i think and especially the first episode is about pilate and the stone that was found. it was the master stories coupled with what history and biblical archaeology has done to try to inform the gospels. what those findings tell us about the life of jesus, i think, is remarkable. there's still a lot of mystery. there's still a lot of questions. not serving resolved, but the series really leans into that mystery. and i think whether you're a believer or someone who's interested in the history, there's a lot for both groups. >> yeah, certainly seems that no matter what faith you have or even if you don't have a faith, there's something in this for everyone. david gregory, thank you very much for that. a great night of television ahead for you. up next, stay tuned for the season premier of the cnn original series "finding jesus."

then tonight at 10:00, "believer with rasa aslan." now stay tuned for the series "finding jesus." he is one of the most ineggmatic figures in the gospels. >> sometimes he's really con vacillating. >> on the other hand, what is truth? and he's famous for one thing. >> i'd like to crucify him. >> only pilate had the authority to crucify him. >> as archaeology discovered pilate's name in stone and fellow kings of jesus' trial and executi execution, the character from the bible joins the figure in history to reveal