factory and robot engagement party. i hope you guys will watch. >> it is fascinating. lori seigel, thank you very much. you can see the show on cnngo streaming starting tomorrow. >> that's it for us this hour. see you back here at 10:00. >> don't go anywhere. "smerconish" coming right now. i'm michael smerconish coming to you from pennsylvania. we welcome people around the world. wikileaks has revealed cia spying capabilities. is the ground founded by julian assange promoting government transparency or seeking to hurt the security interests of the united states? i'll ask the man who won the

pulitzer prize for his reporting about the nsa. glen greenwald is here. the week ends without president trump having provided evidence of his claim that he was wiretapped by president obama. so were his accusatory tweets just another example of presidential distraction? and pope francis makes news by saying he's open to the idea of married men serving as priests and advocates giving pan panhandlers money even if they use it to drink alcohol. finally, the governator, arnold schwarzenegger, had me to his california home this week to talk about jergerrymandering. he also made a trump joke. which one do you think got more attention? first, more wikileaks surfaced this week. this time exposing cia spying techniques. cia material consisting of 7,818 web pages and 943 attachments said to be the largest cia leak in history revealed the know-how

to compromise apple and android smartphones and even listened through a samsung smart tv. here's former head of the nsa and cia, general michael hayden, describing this to stephen colbert. >> there are some bad people in the world who have samsung tvs, too. there are people out there that you want us to spy on. you want us to have the ability to turn on that listening device inside the tv to learn that person's intentions. this is a wonderful capability. >> reporter: thus far, no evidence of the cia hacking tools having been used against americans. when the website founded by julian assange began, it seemed to stand for governmental transparency. the latest leak credits tallizes the question in my mind -- is the intent of wikileaks more to promote transparency or to harm u.s. interests worldwide? i'm in the latter category. i don't like the way that edward snowden revealed secrets, but i

must acknowledge the constitutional issues he raised where the techniques that he outed were in use. with these latest revelations, what i see is the cia doing its job. in fact, if the cia weren't learning how to eavesdrop in a technologically sophisticated world, i think that the agency would be derelict in its duty. don't get me wrong -- if we find out that without probable cause or a warrant they're listening in on regular americans, i'm going to say otherwise. but for now, i wonder what public good wikileaks is really doing, where they never seem to reveal governmental intel secrets about american adversaries. i want to hear what glen greenwald says about this, it seems right in his wheelhouse. glen greenwald was the reporter whom edward snowden contacted to voice his concerns about the surveillance state. you'll remember that he won a pulitzer prize for his work in "the guardian" about the nsa. his recent book is "no place to hide," and he's co-founding

editor of "the intercept." glen, respond to what i said. is this not the cia doing exactly what their job is? >> we don't know because most of this has taken place completely in the dark with very little oversight or public debate or accountability. and that's the problem with having these agencies that exercise enormous power, and there's almost no way to learn about them because almost nevering they do is secret, and therefore it's a felony to 'tis close it. let's remember where wikileaks got this information -- even the u.s. government has told media outlets they didn't get it from russia. it wasn't the russians or putin who took the information and gave it to wikileaks. it was people inside of these programs working on the program who became extremely concerned about the scope of the cia's capabilities vastly exceeding what the public knew including some quite dangerous things such as purposely keeping vulnerabilities and commonly used software programs and decided that it ought to be public so that we, the public,

could debate whether or not we want the cia to be doing this. >> right. but to have a debate about it is to completely defuse the opportunity for the cia to listen in on evildoers like al qaeda and isis. >> no, that's not true. it's not true for several reasons. first of all, terrorist groups, terrorist organizations are very sophisticated. they're well aware of the fact that the u.s. government is trying to eavesdrop on all of their electronic devices. remember that osama bin laden wouldn't communicate with anybody except by personal courier through somebody who was his cousin who he trusted greatly. of course terrorist groups already know and have long known that the cia, nsa, and other organizations are trying to invade electronic communications. what julian and wikileaks did in this case was they -- it's interesting -- they didn't just take the information and just dump it all into the internet. they redacted enormous amounts of this information including

the actual code so that you couldn't tell how the cia is doing it, you couldn't replicate it. you may not even be able to defend against it. so they took steps to prevent these programs from being destroyed but gave enough information to give us the broad strokes of what the intelligence agencies are capable of and are, in fact, doing. >> i understand the point that you're making. i'm saying by the revelations, even without revealing are the code, it takes out of the u.s.ars nalg the ability to implement these measures. i want to show you something -- general michael hayden was on the bbc making a point that i'd love you to respond to. >> in order to do this kind of stuff, we have to recruit from a certain demographic. i don't mean to judge them at all. this group of millennials and related groups have different united nations of the words in secrecy and transparency than certainly my generation did.

>> general hayden is saying the millennials, often the leakers, are different. there's a generational divide than the people who hire them. respond to that. >> there may be truth to that. people who are in their 20s and 30s who grew up with the internet already an important part of their lives may value it more and differently and, therefore, be more usurped by invasions of privacy. that was something edward snowden told me about what motivated him to leak. that the internet was so important to his development as somebody who grew up poor and not able to explore the world except through the internet. that he valued the internet too greatly to allow it to be turned into a surveillance state. the irony is that some of the worst leaks have come not from millennials but people like general david petraeus who leaked the most sensitive information, way more sensitive than wikileaks or snowden leaked, to his girlfriend, his mistress, to allow her to write

a bib lliography. i think if wikileaks had the intentions that you were claiming which was to destroy the u.s., they would release the code. they would release the targets, and they're not doing that because they're trying to be responsible. but i think the problem is there's no consistency. general petraeus leaks extremely sensitive information. he gets a slap on the wrist. doesn't spend a day in jail. michael hayden forgets he exists and says, oh, it's millennials doing this. leaking is a very common practice in the u.s. if you're powerful, you get away with it. you get rich like bob woodward has done. if you're powerless, you get put into prison. that's a major problem. >> i've got to ask the big picture issue, the ongoing probed of a presumed russian hack of the american election. i follow you on twitter. you tweeted something that caught my eye. put that up, and i'll read it aloud. number one, trump presidency is

dangerous. two, cia, deep state abuse of spy powers to subvert elected government is dangerous. one can cogently believe both. speak to that issue. >> sure. i'm somebody who has advocated a lot of political positions, devoted my journalism and legal career before that to a lot of positions that the trump presidency is waging war. on i think the trump presidency poses severe dangers. there is also a severe danger from having unelected but extremely powerful people who operate in the dark, who exercise permanent power in washington subverting the diabetically elected government -- democratically elected government. there's an article in the "boston globe" calling for generals to interveeb and save us from the elected political officials as though we're egypt. there's a lot of calls from democrats for the cia to continue to subvert the trump administration which they dislike for a variety of ideological reasons. i'm very worried not just about

the dangers posed by the trump presidency but of this desire that we seem to have to have the military industrial complex, as dwight eisenhower called it when he warned about them 60 years ago, intervening in our democracy by imposing their own will outside of the democratic process. >> so let me ask a final question and try and wrap together all these subjects. does glen greenwald give any credence to a conspiracy theory that's now getting legs which says, hey, wasn't the russian playing games with our election, it was actually the cia playing games with our election. >> i think it was probably both. and not -- i think it was not just the cia and the russians burks i think the fbi clearly sided with donald trump and did damaging leaks to hurt hillary clinton. it was almost a proxy war, our election was, for unseen forces. what i'm hoping is that we have a real investigation where the evidence is publicly disclosed so that we can stop playing these games with anonymous leaks

by people with unseen agendas trying to manipulate public opinion. and we have a real examination of what's actually true and what's conspiratorial nonsense. until now, we don't have that. that's very dangerous. >> glen, thank you very much for being here. >> great to be with you. thank you. what do you think? tweet me @smerconish. i'll continue to read some live as the show unfoelgldunfolds. bill burns, love or hate them, wikileaks has been more accurate and revealing than mainstream news media. i disagree insofar as i believe we're living in a golden age of investigative journalism. right now but for cnn and "the new york times" and the "washington post" and all those "fake news outlets," we'd be in the dark on a hell of a lot of things, and lieutenant general flynn would still be the national security adviceor. so give some credit where credit is due. coming up, where the week ends without any support for the

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leaders of the house intelligence committee said friday there's still no sign that president obama wiretapped the trump campaign. president trump has not backed off the incendiary accusation that he tweeted last weekend, nor has he provided any more evidence to support his claim. my next guest thinks this is part of a pattern with president trump. what he calls trump's mode -- mode us operendi. the political correspondent for the "washington post" and author of its daily 202, give me the cliff's note version, give the audience the cliff's note version, of what you wrote saying, look, this is the drill, this is what he does when he's

backed into a corner. >> good to be with you, michael. it's absolutely true. it's worked for him. he's president. the fact is every time that trump is taking heat in a sustained way, he throws something out there, whether attacking a moderator of a debate after he has a bad performance claiming that his mike was faulty, when the 2005 video came out, he brought all of bill clinton's former accusers to the next debate to try and change the subject. he's -- he's good at knowing that when he says something provocative, even if it's totally untrue, we're all going to start talking about that because we have such a short attention span in the media. and as a people. there have never been any consequences. he has repeatedly not told the truth about things, not been forthcoming, made outrageous claims that don't end up being backed up by facts. he never suffers consequences. he's the president. so he's learned from that, and he continues to do that. that's exactly what the wiretapping thing was.

he was watching tv last weekend, everyone was talking about jeff sessions refuses to recuse himself after at best misleading congress under oath. he was angry that they had stomped on his speech before congress and decided to change the subject. what better way than accusing barack obama of the worst crimes politically since watergate? >> james, you listed all of these examples in the daily 202 earlier this week. the example of him struggling during the primary debate to explain disparaging comments about women and attacking megyn kelly. the blood coming out of the wherever. the "access hollywood" video comes out, as you point out, he brings the clinton accusers to st. louis at the seconds debate. i'll never forget that night. the morning after agreeing to settle the fraud suit against trump university he demands the cast of "hamilton" apologize to mike pence. fires mike flynn, then holds that 77-minute-long press conference that went on and on and on. takes the eye off that message, then gets angry when critics

point out that he lost the popular vote. what does he say? three million to five million voted here illegally. does it ever catch up with him, or is he preying on our short attention spans? sure as heck, by tomorrow, there's going to be something else we will have moved on to, and we won't have enough time to recap today. >> and we really -- that's exactly right. and on the voter fraud allegation, he says three million to five million people voted illegally. no evidence at all. they claim that there's going to be an investigation. that's why i thought the media did a good job at continuing to press sean spicer in the briefings, trying to get the president to offer some evidence. it was very telling that donald trump excluded the media from a lot of different events and things where he normally would have included them. he doesn't want top answer these questions. and the only way he's going to learn not to make unsubstantiated claims that are false is if there are consequences, and if the media doesn't just move on to the next

shiny object. >> explain that this is from the roy cone playbook. >> roy cone was the chief counsel during the mccarthy hearings, witch-hunt in the 1950s. ultimately discredited, censured by republicans in the senate when they overreached. dwight eisenhower came after them. he flees washington in shame and disgrace, moves to new york, becomes a powerful lawyer, represents mob figures, he ends up connecting with donald trump in the '70s right when donald trump has been sued by the justice department for discriminating against african-americans in their housing projects. trump says to roy cone, this notorious lawyer, what do i do? roy cone says, never apologize when someone attacks you for something. attack them for the exact same thing. accuse them of what they accuse of you. counterpunch. never give an inch. and so trump, represented by cone, sues the justice department for attacking him, for suing him for housing

discrimination, refuses to settle, goes into this protracted multi-year fight, and it wasn't just that cone was his lawyer, cone was his mentor. that's how trump sort of learned to navigate the manhattan world in the '70s and '80s. and it's that -- that same model. that's why it's ironic last weekend when trump was accusing obama of wiretapping him that he called it a mccarthyism because literally that's -- donald trump learned this playbook from joe mccarthy's lawyer. >> james, my day begins with "the daily 202." thank you, i appreciate it. >> thanks, michael. i want to talk about this to a trump insider. joining me now, cnn's recent addition, former senior communication adviser for the trump campaign, jason miller. jason, great to have you here. did he just crack the code? >> let me back up one second, michael, before i jump in -- and thank you very much for having me. you know, you made a comment as we're heading into this last break that this is one of the biggest stories of the week as we talk about the tapping issue -- although i'd push back

and say i think probably the biggest story were the great jobs numbers we had yesterday. but getting to james' -- 235,000, that's -- >> can i throw a flag? can i just throw a flag? i mean, i agree. the jobs figures are tremendous. but i have to have a smile when i say this because if they were the jobs figures that had come out on president obama's watch, he'd be saying they're all fraudulent. now all of a sudden he accepts them. >> i had the opportunity to speak to a lot of ceos this week. you are hearing the renewed spirit in the economy. hearing folks talk about programs and investments. that's why i think we're seeing these job numbers start moving already. folks are betting in advance of the reforms -- they see coming from the tax code, from repatriation of funds, so that's -- there's a lot of optimism, a lot of i think energy in the economy. i would say that's the biggest story of the week. i know you want to get into james' story, to which point i would push back here and say the

president is a masterful counterpuncher. he has a unique ability to call things out as he sees it. to work around the media in the cases where he needs to do so. and to get his message in a way that's not filtered through everybody else. i think the other way -- there's a frustration for anyone who's a supporter of the president, whether in the white house or whether outside of the white house. these conditionual leaks -- continual leaks, the nameless, faceless sources running what i think is an orchestrated effort to smear the president. i think it's right that he pushes back on this. >> i would say that -- i know he focuses on the way we get information. when the information is accurate and troublesome, that doesn't mean we shouldn't pay attention to it. i think that james hohman's piece was insightful insofar as it made me appreciate that the constant attacking in roy cone's style, by president trump, takes

advantage of short attention spans and this 24/7 cycle because we're on to the next thing before we figure out, hey, what he said yesterday, was that accurate? was that true -- look at the statement about obamacare tapping into -- about obama tapping into trump tower. where's the justification? a week has passed, and there's nothing. >> well, let me start with specifically to that last point. i mean, we do know a couple of things. again, i don't work at the white house and can't speak for the administration. but we do know that conversations were being monitored for trump associates this last year. we know there were two applications, one of which was granted. there's been talk of transcripts, of these recorded conversations, so we know absolutely the conversations were being recorded. but to the big picture about the president and his communications style, i spent a lot of time around him this past eight months. i never once heard him talk about roy cone or the process type things, back story of

mccarthy or anything of this as you're talking about. what i frequently would hear the president talk about is we have to get our message out. we have to cut through the media, we have to take it to the people. i think he's developed a style where he's able to do that. so i see more of him getting out what he wants to. and not have that being filtered. i -- i think you might disagree on that one. >> hey, to be continued. i'm glad you're here. thank you. >> thanks, appreciate it. >> tweet me your thoughts@at smerconish. we have a comment from gina. trump complains about the fake news stories but then says it's not fake. it's a counterpunch strategy. he is, he's a tremendous counter-puncher. we move to the next round of the fight without ever having scored what just transpired. if that makes sense. still to come, pope francis says that he might consider allowing married men to be

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pope francis made news a couple of times this week speaking out about allowing married men to become priests and advising people to always give to panhandlers and not worry about how that money might be spent. first in an interview with a german newspaper, pope francis said the lack of catholic priests was an enoermrmous prob for the church and indicated he would be open to a change in rules governing eligibility for rules of the priesthood. phil donahue, president of the catholic league, is here.

if the issue is a priest shortage, there's an easy fix -- half the population is excluded from that job right now, maybe it will also lead to that. >> i don't know if it's an easy fix. frankly, for the first thousand years in the church's history, it was expected, it was commonplace that you practice celibacy. it wasn't codified until the 12th century. there's been a lot of talk since. cardinal egan, when he left as archbishop of new york, said maybe it's time to put it on the table. say you do it and you're a priest and you get a call to do a funeral on a saturday morning. then your wife tells you, but honey, you know, your son or daughter's got a soccer game. guess who's -- who that will get pitched to. my concern is the single priest -- most of them at least in a transition period -- will wind up with the burdens. the calls t night, the wife is sick, give it to joe. joe is single. and then you've got the order priest, but one-third of the priests, the jesuits, dominicans

and the like. these guys live in a tight-knit community. and at night they have their bongs, wine, food. some are going to be complete off with the wife and kids. i'm not saying that this is a sufficient reason, mike, not to consider it. in fact, i think they should at least discuss it. i don't think the pope is wrong in that. i'm saying there is a lot of social per mutations attendant to this idea. >> right. but if you marry a man who's a priest, i think it goes with the territory that come the time of the soccer game, he may have a higher calling. >> i would hope so. i hope they think these things through. i think if -- if they could get this to the bishop, and as the bishop goes to the parish priest, you figure it out. again, if they want to discuss this, by the way, you know the way the church moves -- everyone watching the show will be long dead and buried by the time they get to this. that's the way the church works. if they want to start the process and have a conversation,

let them have it. they ought to first talk to the priest today and ask them what they think and how it might affect lifestyle, then proceed. >> let me say -- and watch my words very carefully -- celibacy does not cause pedophilia. there, i've said it. but it has nevertheless been a cloak, a cloak for pedophiles in the past. do you think that's also part of the thinking and reason why we're having this conversation? >> i don't know. but i know from the john j. study of the priests in this country that less than 5% of the abusers -- very few abusers, by the way, less than 5% were pedophiles. almost all of them are homosexuals. so i guess i'll be the last guy in the country who has the guts to say it -- i'm not saying homosexuality causes predatory behavior. i am saying that 81% of the victimizers, the victims are

male, 78% of them are post pubescent. they were adolescents, and 100% were victim aol -- of the victimizers were male. there's a word in the english language, it's called homosexuality. let's not dodge this. >> i'm not dodging it. what i'm seeking to advocate is the idea that when you increase the pool of prospective priests, it's good for society. >> yes. i would agree with that overall. but i'd -- i still think we have to look at what's driving this. and you say pool -- the entire -- increase the entire pool. you know, it's funni. you may want to talk about woman priests. the woman who i'd like to say a priest don't want to be priests because they're dedicated to jesus. the ones who i think have lost it and who are out there for power are the ones who want to become priests. this is a much more complex discussion if people talk about it. i don't think catholics do. >> this cafeteria catholic does. thank you for coming back.

>> thank you very much. in other pope news, on the face of it, a pope saying giving to the poor -- that doesn't seem controversial. in an interview with an italian magazine which serves homeless and marginalized people in milan, the pope said that people should always give money to panhandlers without worrying how that money will be spent and look them in the eye when doing so. not everybody is agreeing with him. when i polled my sirius radio audience and asked do you agree that you should always give to panhandlers without worrying where the money ends up, 57% said, no, i don't agree. joining me to discuss, homeless advocate sister mary scully and president and executive director of philadelphia's project home. she was named by "time" magazine as one of the world's most influential people. sister mary, thank you for being here. do you agree with the pontiff on this issue? >> i do because pope francis is calling for greater compassion. he's calling us to see the men and women that are asking for

help on the streets. poverty is crushing around our globe. pope francis sees this issue in a more global perspective, not just from maybe an american perspective where we see that many of the men and women on the street who are asking for many are suffering from addiction. and i love that pope francis is calling for a greater compassion to actually see the plight of people in need in our country. and true compassion leads to action. sometimes even the people that we love the moest we have to sa no to. so but that spirit of generosity of being engaged by those in need i think is so critically necessary today when so much of our society is hardened to the plight of the poor or even blames the poor for their

plight. >> i consider myself generous but don't typically give to folks panhandling. one of the reasons is i believe that money will end up drying drugs or booze. the pope on this issue says i'm wrong. put it up. he said, "if a glass of wine is the only happiness he has in life, that's okay. instead, ask yourself what do you do on the sly? what happiness do you seek in secret?" another way is to recognize how you are luckier with a house, a wife, and children, and then ask why should the responsibility to help be pushed on to someone else. is he correct in that respect? should i no longer look at someone and wonder is this going to go a habit of some kind? >> michael, you're both right, okay? and that is that -- the pope is asked -- it's true. i mean, i've worked with men and women on the street that were actively addicted and have come in. what they've said is what

sparked their choice to come in was both the tough love -- i think that's what you're talking abo about, but people that looked at them and accepted them unconditionally p. and uncontinue conditionally and non-judgmentally -- and unconditionally and non-judgmentally, an act of kindness and generosity. often people who are addicted or mentally ill are carrying all kinds of burdens and feel terrible anyway. they feel terrible about their plight and may have tried to make that change and for whatever reasons couldn't. sometimes it's that beautiful act of generosity and kindness and acceptance and unconditional love that makes them value themselves to make that change. i think it's a combination of the tough love and the spirit of generosity and kindness and --

and unconditional love that we all need. >> he sparked a great conversation. i'm appreciative of sister mary scully. keep doing god's work. how's that? no pun intended. >> you, too, michael, okay? we need -- we all need to be doing that for the kingdom. for the world -- >> nothing wrong with that. sister mary scully, i appreciate it. tweet me @smerconish. here's another -- let's see. bill donahue is making the weakest argument ever against married men performing priestley duties. i take it the swamp monitor is just not going along with the soccer league rationalization that bill gave to me. i wasn't either. i enjoy having the conversation with him. ahead, arnold schwarzenegger invited me to his home this week for a private meeting. i wasn't there to talk "terminator." not to talk mr. olympia or president trump. the subject was gerrymandering, and that's all right with me. ty we'll play something

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it was only 19 seconds long, but the comment went viral. i'm referring to one exchange that i had at the end of a long conversation that i enjoyed with former california governor arnold schwarzenegger at his home high above los angeles this week. his line that donald trump was "in love with schwarzenegger," and the headlines it generated had nothing to do with the much more substantive content of our conversation. that distortion tells a lot about the political climate where more attention is paid to celebrity tweets than political solutions. see, governor schwarzenegger didn't invite me into his home to talk about his "terminator" franchise, mr. olympia legacy, nor his relationship with the president of the united states. instead, the former california governor asked me to come over and share a stogies oh his back patio and talk about gerrymandering.

count me in. see, he'd been watching when i did a segment on that subject on my primetime special on cnn called "fixing the divide." and arnold tweeted his gratitude for covering the issue. i even mentioned his tweet when i came back from a commercial break. check it out -- look at who tweeted in realtime, the terminator. "smerconish, glad you're shining a light on gerrymandering. we reformed in california." i know you did. i give you constant credit on my sirius x.m. program. come here and talk to me about it, okay? i caught his eye because a few days prior he had released a facebook video to try and educate about his pet cause, and it went viral. >> here are some of the things more popular than congress -- hemorrhoids, nick helloback, comroaches, root canals, cologneond piece, herpes --

colonoscopies, herpes, herpes could win in the polls. politicians pick their voters instead of the voters picking the politicians. >> no wonder more than 22 million people have already watched and heard schwarzenegger explain that in california between 2002 and 2010 there were 265 congressional elections but only one district changed party hands. as he said, the former politburo had more than california politics. where california on his watch instituted the professional drawing of boundary lines, change has come. so strongly does he believe in the need for political reform that he founded the usc schwarzenegger institute for state and global policy committed to advancing post partisanship. its four reform priorities are redistricting, open primaries, transparency, and voter visitation. the visit -- voter participation. the visit was to be social.

but after our chat he was gracious in giving me audio for my sirius listeners, almost ten machines worth was on political -- ten minutes worth was on political pearlizati izatiopola. here's an excerpt. >> i believe strongly of what eisenhower said, that politics is like the road. the left and the right is like the gutter, and the center is drivable. and i believe that the action is in the center, and i hope that the politicians wake up one day and just decide that they want to do the people's work rather than the party's work because the way it is right now, it doesn't work, nothing is getting accomplished. >> before i left, i thought i had to ask him just one more question, just two days earlier president trump had gone on another twitter rant. the one that accused president obama of wiretapping him. and then suddenly, he was attacking schwarzenegger. i asked governor schwarzenegger about why the president, the leader of the free world, was bothering to tweet about his having left "celebrity

apprentice." here's the exchange. why do you think the president is fixated on you? why does he keep talking about you through his twitter feed? >> i think he's in love with me. >> is that what it is? >> yeah, i think so. >> that's the comment that went viral. at first i was disappointed that the reform message might get lost in the attention paid to what was clearly a joke. if you got beyond the lead of all those stories, most of them got around to the meat of the issues, or as governor schwarzenegger laird e-mailed me, if we can get people to pay attention to seven minutes of gerrymandering to hear me say the president might be in love with me, i'll take it. me, too. good job, gov. that all started because of a tweet from arnold. keep tweeting me yourself. up next, your best and worst. like this one -- the answer to that, brian, is

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