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welcome to inside politics, i'm john king. thanks for sharing your day with us. we are watching the winter storm on the eastern sea board. if there's new information on the punch, we'll bring you that. it's a giant day in politics. they will give a score of the republican health plan. many republicans think the trump
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white house will live to regret this. >> i firmly believe that nobody will be worse off financially in the process that we are going through, understanding they will have choices that they can select the kind of coverage they want for themselves and their family, not that the government forces them to buy. >> we will parse that language and a deadline likely to be ignored. congress asked for proof by today for proof of the allegations his predecessor wiretapped trump tower. >> i have no reason to believe it is true and i believe the president of the united states could clear this up in a minute. pick up the phone, call the director of the cia, national intelligence and say what happened? >> a republican congressman tweets affinity for a right candidate in europe and embraces the racist calling card of white nationalists. >> down the road a few generations or maybe centuries
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with the inner marriage. i would like to see an america that is so ho monlg nous we look a lot the same. i think there's far too much focus on race. i want to see that put behind us. >> more of that conversation in a few moments, too. we'll have the insights with margaret, and amy of the cooke political report. president trump, this hour, beginning with a plug for the house republican health care plan. he is at the white house meeting with a mix of people brought in to share obamacare horror stories. we'll bring it to you if the president's remarks are relevant. a third committee acts this week then the measure heads to the house. still, key questions that can't be answered. >> how many people are going to lose coverage? >> i can't answer that question, it's up to the people. >> here is the premise of the
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question. are you going to stop mandating them to buy health care insurance in people are going to do what they want to. the question is, are we providing a system where people have access to health insurance if they choose to do so? the answer is yes. are we going to have nice looking spread sheet that says, we the government of the united states are going to make people buy something and therefore they are all going to buy it? no. >> laying it out. applaud honesty. applaud honesty. if you want it, they can buy it. can they sell it politically when they have gone through two votes and presumably, they get the congressional budget score. if you don't speak washington, they will say, we estimate this many million people will lose their health insurance. we estimate it will cost or save the government this much money. the speaker makes the case they can sell it because obamacare guarantees it to you. we are going to give you tax
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credits if you want it get it. if you don't, okay. >> this is the difficulty in trying to figure out what the playing field is. they want to make the debate on their terms. their terms would be on accessibility. how many people have access to this? the cbo report and the media focus is going to be on how many people currently have care are no longer going to be covered because, specifically of medicaid, not because they are not mandated, but medicaid coverage won't be expanded or they are talking about polling back medicaid expansion and you are not going to see it in states that don't have it today. if the debate is about can more people have health care today than they did under obamacare, republicans are going to lose that debate. if the debate is where republicans want it about access and affordability, they may win that fight. the affordability question is the other key issue that is going to affect people who aren't on the exchanges, who
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aren't on medicaid, get insurance through their employers. are they two years from now saying i'm paying less today than i did? thank you, trump. >> is that the trap that price walked into on "meet the press"? he says he's confident that people will pay less. is that equivalent of if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. if a year from now, never mind the people at this table, working in a factory, waitresses, if they get it from an employer, they are going to say you lied to me and the president, himself, saying insurance would be available for everybody. that is another thing. the real danger for the cbo report is it's going to create a bad narrative for the republicans. one reason why is that this bill they proposed is not a full scale repeal or replace bill because of the limitations in the senate budget rules. they are trying a three-step process, pass this, then do
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stuff through administrative and come back with other bills to replace the law that need bipartisan support, which they have not drafted yet. this assessment is going to show the limitations of this bill and create the narrative the republicans plan to fix health care. >> there is a space between speaker ryan and the trump white house on two fronts. one is on the strategy for how to pass this, which is like everybody has to get on board with it now versus let's make a deal. and in terms of what the message and the promise is. one is more likely to ea peel to a traditional constituency, you have more choice and flexibility, you decide. the other is our plan is going to be better than obamacare and give you all the coverage and be cheaper and figure out later. the messages have to be reconciled. >> i'm not sure. you made a point, during the
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campaign, the president said if you get coverage under obamacare, you are okay. it's a new plan, better for you. if you have coverage, you are going to keep it. listen here. you are worried about giving people coverage. that's almost as if -- >> the president said he wanted everyone covered. >> sir? sir? >> the president said that. >> he wants everybody to get care. that's what we are doing. >> that's not what he said. the president said he wants everyone covered. >> what people want is to get care. >> pay no attention to what the candidate said. is that the message from the budget director? >> trump said people would get coverage at a fraction of the cost and it would happen quickly. i think one of the problems republicans are going to have is as soon as they make a move on this, they want to frame it as going in phases first, the repeal, then at some point they are going to sweeten the deal with selling across states. they are going to own it as soon as they do anything. every little thing that goes wrong in the health insurance
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and the health care industry is going to be laid at the feet of donald trump and the republican party. the other issue here is that the cost of health care, the cost of performing open heart surgery or giving chemotherapy is not going down. the idea that somehow people are going to have a cheaper cost to pay in terms of health insurance doesn't make sense. >> we are a minute away from hearing from the president. he's having an event from the white house. the republicans asked for his help. they want to stop negotiating. pass it in the house then the senate. then if you have to negotiate, do it then. don't negotiate every step of the way, they say it's too messy. >> my friends in the house where i once served, think about your job as you move this bill forward. >> i don't want to see the house majority put at risk on a bill that is not going to pass the senate. that's why i think we should take a pause, try to solve as many of the problems on both
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medicaid and the individual insurance market in this bill and the house then allow the senate to take its work up. >> be crystal clear, the most important part is what it does for coverage and cost for people watching in the country. the conversation here in washington, a lot of republicans are thinking, we are doing it in a messy way. are we going to pay a price for this? >> we are old enough to remember the house democrats that got btud. >> yes. >> they came out and supported bill clinton's budget, then the toughest part of that vote ended up being stripped back in the senate version. a bunch of house democrats voted for something that wasn't in the final bill and they got blamed for it. >> the president is speaking. let's listen in. >> it's a great honor for you to share your personal stories of struggle under the enormous strain imposed on you by the very, very failed and failing obamacare law.
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secretary price and i, along with my entire administration and a lot of people in the senate and a lot of people in the house are committed to repealing and replacing this disastrous law with a health care plan that lowers cost, expands choice and ensures access for everyone. you represent the millions of americans who have seen their obamacare premiums increase by double digits and triple digits. in arizona, the rates are over 116% last year. 116% increase. the deductibles are so high, you don't get to use it. many americans lost their plans and doctors all together in one-third of the counties. think of it, one-third only have one insurer left. the insurance companies are fleeing, they are gone. so many gone. the house bill to repeal and replace obamacare will provide
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you and your fellow citizens with more choices, far more choices at lower cost. americans should pick the plan they want. now they will be able to pick the plan they want, they will be able to pick the doctor they want. they will be able to do a lot of things the other plan was supposed to give and never gave. you don't pick your doctor, you don't pick your plan. remember that one? we are not going to have one size fits all. we are going to work to unleash the power of the private marketplace to let insurers come in and compete for business. you will see rates go down, down, down and plans go up, up, up. you will have a lot of choices. you'll have plans nobody is thinking of today. they will have plans that, today, nobody thought about because the market is going to enforce that with millions and millions of people wanting health care. more competition and less regulation will finally bring down the cost of care. it will bring it down significantly. unfortunately, it takes a while
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to get there. you have to let that marketplace kick in. it's going to take a while to get there. once it does, it will be a thing of beauty. i wish it didn't take a year and two years, but that's the way it works. we are willing to go through that process. working together, we'll get the job done. i have to say this in closing, i want to hear your stories and let the press stay for your stories, if you would like. the press is making obamacare look so good, all of a sudden. i'm watching the news. looks so good. they are showing reports about this one gets so much and this one gets so much. first of all, it covers very few people. it's imploding. '17 will be the worst year. obama is gone. things are going to be very bad for the people with obamacare. you are going to have tremendous increases. the republicans, frankly, are putting themselves in a very bad
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position. i tell tom price this all the time, by repealing obamacare. people aren't going to see the devastating effects of obamacare. they are not going to see the devastation in '17, '18 and '19. it will be gone by then, whether we do it or not. the press is making it look so wonderful. if we end it, everyone is going to say remember how great obamacare used to be? remember how wonderful it used to be? it was so great. it's a little bit like president obama. when he left, people liked him. when he was here, people didn't like him so much. that's the way life goes. it's human nature. the fact is, obamacare is a disaster. i say it to republicans all the time. by repealing it, by getting rid of it, everyone is going to say it was so great. it wasn't great.
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i tell tom price, and paul ryan, every one of them, the best thing you can do politically is wait a year. it's going to blow itself off the map. that's the wrong thing to do for the country. it's the wrong thing to do for our citizens. with that, i would like to introduce some of the folks. you could say a few words about your experience with obamacare and perhaps the press will even report it. >> thanks for this opportunity, mr. president. >> thank you. >> our rates are three times they were before obamacare started. we have one provider in our county. we have very little options for what we can and cannot do. we are a small business owner. we are actually not a brick and mortar, we are cattle ranchers. we cannot afford our equipment paying these rates. our food source is in jeopardy because of this health care law. >> i know.
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>> okay. just lost the tape from the white house. the president and a listening session in the white house. victims of obamacare, as he put it. people telling their stories with obamacare. let's look at what we heard from the president. number one, he specifically said the house bill. there's some doubt. he said he was open to negotiations. leadership said deals later. you were talking about how democrats cast a vote, the senate changed the bill and it was used against the democrats because they were on the record. the president just said prices will go down, down, down. choices will go up, up, up. for the republican party, he better be right because that is a classic campaign ad, if that turns out not to be true. >> is it going to be true, even if it is true. is it going to be true in the fall of 2018? not likely. >> he said it's going to take a
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year or two. >> you are making a point about him negotiating with members of congress. he said right now, he does support the house vote. what is he going to say when more conservatives reach out to him and talking to members of congress, they are going to say, look, we are going to the white house and negotiate changes. trump is suggesting an openness to that, having meetings, bowling sessions in the like. this is undercutting the house republican strategy when they are saying take this bill or leave it. support this or you are stuck with obamacare. every time donald trump talks privately with members of congress, it changes the overall strategy. we'll see if he got the message. >> the question is, can enough of those conservatives hold firm? paul ryan has a margin, but not a huge one. can't afford to lose too many lawmakers. if they hold firm, can they force him to make changes now on the house side and even then you have a different beast in the senate where you have more
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moderate senators, 52-48. a lot less room to play with. tell me if i'm wrong, can anyone name a democrat that is going to step in and help the republicans? not happening. >> it's all about trying to force paul ryan to change the bill. he may do it if he doesn't have the votes when push come toss shove. >> move the bill more to the right in the house, i assume you make the hill more steep. >> doesn't have to do with medicaid or ending in 2020 or 2018. it has to do with planned parenthood. if you think about the folks in the senate, republicans, they don't necessarily want to see planned parenthood defunded. in states like new hampshire and maine. they have a real problem. i mean, interesting to see tom cotton who has been donald trump's wing man on a number of issues come out and put a pause on it. >> he remembers. he was in the house and the
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senate. republicans used this effectively. look around. when obamacare was passed, they used it in 2010 and 2014. is there a belief he's a deal maker? >> no. the campaign is instructive on this front. now president trump ran a tactical campaign rather than a strategic campaign. the journalists covering it say this is my work for this rally, this week. how is it going to play out in november? he's good about getting initiatives across the finish line with tactical ma nooefrs. he's thinking, look, i did it a few months ago. slogan. >> the record of 2 t obamacare debate. this isn't clean and easy. >> conservatives were willing to have the disinnocence. what he said on the campaign trail was against everything
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they believed in whether it was trade, entitlements or taxes. we can stomach it now. once he's in washington, he's going to be a real conservative. he's going to be like us. there's no core to the president and members of congress are trying to get him to move in that direction. >> prices will go down, down, down, choices going up, up, up. democratic ad makers have cut that and frozen that. they are going to keep it in a bin for down the road. up next, kellyanne conway says she's no inspector gadget, but tapping the phones isn't the only way to keep an eye on someone.
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our senses awake. our hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden, but they say...if you love something set it free. see you around, giulia welcome back. put up or shut up seems it disrespectful thing to say when the question at hand involves the president of the united states. then again, you may think of him accusing the predecessor's power. >> the president has one of two
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choices, either retract or provide the information that the american people deserve because if his predecessor violated the law, president obama violated the law, we have a serious issue here, to say the least. >> to say the least. the question on the table was, would the administration, as requested by congress, give them documentation today? significant, democrats can't ask for the congress to ask for anything. it was republicans who joined in saying please send us this information. they are sick and tired of answering for the president's tweets. has the envelope been delivered? >> not that i know of. i asked the justice department this morning. they have not heard back. the intelligence committee still has not heard. they are saying they will probably -- the intelligence committee will release as much as they can of the letter if it is declassified today. but, there is not much
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expectation there's going to be much evidence. there's a lot of skepticism and even members who had this priva private briefing with leadership, with james comey, they came out saying there was no evidence that they had seen of meeting with james combey. presumably they talked about it. it could be a big embarrassment for the white house after the president said these things and the white house defended him. >> the ranking democrat, adam schiff want as public hearing. he wants to humiliate the president say, you can't say these things, you are the president of the united states, you cannot accuse your predecessor like this as donald trump did in his tweets. either it didn't happen and the president was winging it or he knows ability an intelligence court finding where the government did go, the president can't order this, but they can
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get a finding for wiretap. the director of national intelligence went on television saying he doesn't recall that and he would know about it. we reported the fbi director said it didn't happen and he's upset about it. somehow problem says wiretap donald trump and they snap to it. kellyanne conway, listen to this exchange. >> allegation that trump tower is wired. what can you say about that? do you know whether trump tower was wiretapped? >> what i can say is there are many ways to surveil each other now, unfortunately. >> do you believe -- >> there was an article this week that talked about how you can surveil someone through their phones, certainly through their television sets, any number of different ways, microwaves that turn into cameras, et cetera. we know that is a fact of modern life. >> sure. >> i hope my microwave is not
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spying on me. >> this is the situation that donald trump's words have forced his aides into. a bizarre conspiracy theory of your microwave spying on you or your mug, whatever. donald trump has two choices, either to retract or give evidence. he probably has many more choices, one to say, he might get a question about it tomorrow with the press conference with angela merkel. he could say i don't want to talk about this anymore, i'm moving on. we have seen him do that when he puts forward conspiracy theories whether it's birtherism or the people that voted illegally. we have been down this road before. democrats are going to try to scandalize him. they tried that before. >> you can surveil someone through their phones and
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television sets and microwaves. after that, she did morning shows. we have the law and order beat. she said it was a general question. the question was spfkly about trump tower being wiretapped. do you know whether trump tower was wiretapped? a direct, specific question. she says it was a general question about surveillance. listen to this exchange with my colleague chris cuomo moe. >> it was about surveillance generally. >> he didn't ask about it generally. you may have answered generally. >> chris, i'm not inspector gadget. i don't believe people are use zing their microwave to spy on the trump campaign. however, i'm not in the job of having evidence. that's what investigations are for. >> you asked in a specific instance. it seemed to put more doubt on the situation. that's what it came across as. >> maybe to you and other people
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who don't want donald trump to be the president. but, to other people, they see it as what it was, talking about news articles and surveillance generally. >> i'm going to start on this one. no. no, no, no. donald trump is the president. he's going to be president for the next four years. this is not about people that don't want donald trump to be president. this is about the president of the united states saying his predecessor wiretapped him. when kellyanne conway talking about the television, microwave and phones, that's not what i meant. this is not about us. please. >> the problem in changing the subject as she did in the interview over the weekend is that the changing of the subject opens up a new line of questions, which is, does the white house believe that the president was surveilled using weird, new, emerging technologies as well as kind of the old classic way. >> or are they just winging it,
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too. >> they are winging it. >> they can't say i'm not going to answer this question. >> yeah. >> i think the news conference with angela merkel provides not just a moment where the president may feel he is on the spot and doesn't want to answer the question, but the opportunity for the white house to deal with it proactively. it's been more than a week. it is obviously, there's no evidence that what he said exactly in that tweet is what happened. this is the opportunity to seize the bull by the horns, clarify it in a way he's comfortable clarifying it. >> he has no lifeline from capitol hill on it. i asked mitch mcconnell, have you seen evidence yet. he turned to the next question. ignored that. then he turned back to me and said, no. it was a calculated decision to say that. he's frustrated as other republicans are. they don't want to answer these questions. all republicans have said that because they want to send a
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message to the president. you can't say things like that. >> they have a hard task in front of them dealing with tax reform. >> a much bigger issue. this issue, agree with me, it is the latest in a string of things he says and does that there's no evidence it's true and he moves on. he has a bigger problem now, which is being able to pass a bill on health care that his party has talked about for the last eight years doing. if this fails, that is a big, big deal and the fakturing of his party is a very big deal. they have been united because of this belief that once in power, they can do all the things they dreamed of doing. right now, they are watching it sort of filter away from them. >> a bigger impact on his credibility, saying these kind of things and not turning out to be true if there is no evidence. then trying to sell the american public on something specific. he's going to have a harder time. >> we have been polarized.
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>> yeah. >> we are just as polarized today. you either believe him or you don't. nothing he says or does is going to change that. >> the fundmental question is are we locked in this environment or democrats say what if you have to sell iran is cheating on the nuclear deal. if we need one vote, if his credibility deteriorates, does he lose that? the president was asked a question, a shouted question at the top of the show. we showed you the round table with people coming in to tell their horror stories. someone asked him about wiretapping and the president ignored that. stay tuned for this, up next, fired prosecutors and a blame game on why the government isn't as loyal as president trump would like.
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welcome back. when david duke tweets god bless steve king, it's a safe bet the republican from iowa, once again, has explaining to do. king tweeted praising the views of a far right candidate in the netherlands, he understands culture and demographics are our destiny. we cannot restore destiny with someone else's babies. david duke isn't the only peddler of hate praising congressman king today. here is the congressman on cnn this morning, defending his views and applying them to the american experience. >> we also aborted 60 million babies in this country since 1973. we have to replace that void with somebody else's baby. that's the push to bring in illegal immigration into america, living in enclaves, refusing to assimilate into the american culture and
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civilization. some embrace it, yes. many are two and three generations living in enclaves pushing back in resistance against civilization. >> if you don't have something nice to say, don't say it at all. >> sit in silence? >> it's not possible for steve king. he is an immigration hard liner, always has been. >> you can be that without saying that. >> that's true. he is known for going above and beyond when a lot of people, even if they are hard line, go. he's putting his party in an awkward spot to respond to it. democrats putting out statement after statement saying it's time for speaker ryan to disavow king. we' see if they do it. carlos, a congressman from a swing district in florida coming out yesterday saying this is not, i don't believe or agree with this at all. we'll see others do it, too.
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steve king is clearly the minority. >> let me bring in the tweet you are talking about. a latino member of congress, a republican, what do you mean? do i qualify as someone else's baby? >> the chairman of the gop in iowa, he released a statement saying he didn't agree with steve king, america is a nation of immigrants and david duke has no place in iowa, is not welcome in iowa. apparently steve king is welcome in iowa and spent a lot of time in iowa, which is a pretty homo genous place. he sounds like one in those clips. maybe he just plays one on tv or twitter, i don't know. you know, some people are say thag the environment we are in, in some ways allows steve king to go further than he has before. >> this is the difference, too,
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between what is happening in europe and what's happening here and the challenge in europe versus the challenge in america. we assimilate really well. that's what makes america so much better and so amazing about the way we have been able to bring in immigrants. they do not isolate themselves. sure, there may be communities that isolate themselves, that is not our problem. it has been in europe. you can't wear the head scarves or the burqas to the beach. very different than what we have here. he is responding to something that is -- >> unique american experience. it seems to be an older american experience where there were tensions when they all came from different places, but they shared something, they were white europeans. now we have a different diversity challenge to the country, which is a blessing. some look at it as a curse. listen to the conversation. steve king says i'm not a
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racist. it's about loving the american culture and blending in, learning the english language. listen to this as the conversation continues. >> go down the road a few generations or maybe centuries with the inner marriage. i would like to see an america that is so homo genous. there's so much put on race in the last eight years. i want to put that behind us. >> if you didn't know his history or read the tweet, if you just look at that, down the road a few generations, intermarriage, america that looks homogenous. it's a good thing and as people get together, intermarriage or what else is he trying to say? i look at it saying is he saying a good thing or alarming? >> my mind wonders. is he criticizing marriage? does he not believe people of
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different races should marry. >> i mean, like i said, do people look like you and me or like you? what is it? i don't know. why would anybody want that? we want a country that everybody looks the same? it's a stupid idea and a dream. i don't know. that rhetoric sounds different than the rhetoric of the tweet in the earlier part of the conversation. i think for the republican party at large, one of the concerns or challenges is not that republicans are going to jump on board, you know, with steve king or that he represents it party. at a time you have the trump travel ban and the discussions about what's a real american, what kind of immigrants are okay and such. this further antagonizes an issue that most of the party's leadership does not want. >> sean spicer is supposed to address it. what is he going to say? he's going to be asked the question about this.
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>> the question will come up. you can say it's a generational thing or listen to the language, give him the benefit of the doubt. maybe he didn't mean it the way it was. this particular congressman is his history. >> he's been doing this forever. >> ask you to go back through history and figure out where are these contribution that is have been made by the other categories of people you are tlking about. where did any other subgroup of people contribute more? >> we have to do something about the 11 million. some of them are value dick attorneys. my answer is, by the way, their parents brought them in, it wasn't their fault. it's true in some cases. they aren't all value dick torn yans, some weigh 130 pounds and caves the side of cantaloupe. >> it's the history.
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>> he's talking about subgroups and categories. he's talking about groups and categories. >> keeping people out of america. i think, to your question about what does he want america to look like. that's fine if everybody here were able to inner mingle because we are all here as americans. we don't want people coming in who don't look a certain way. or act a certain way. >> subgroups. that's the end of the day. >> congressman from a state that is predominantly white. get out and see the other 134 groups in america. it's a great place. people of all sizes and colors, it's wonderful. a fistful fight looming over capitol hill. we'll get to that when our reporters empty their notebooks.
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welcome back. we surround our table with supporters. let's go around and ask them to share from their notebooks. margaret? >> this one flew beneath the radar for a while, now it's out on twitter by the international negotiator from the trump administration meeting in israel holding meetings with netanyahu and the palestinians. this was not touted but is now out there. this is the beginning of meetings and relationship developing between the white house and both israelis and palestinians that may be the more important piece.
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too soon to call this a restart to the peace process. it is not that, but the relationship building to take place for u.s. to play a stronger role in it. we will watch it in the days to come. >> we have been focusing so much on obamacare and parts of the republican agenda. one thing that is going to loom large over congress is how to fund the government. this has been an issue that the republicans and democrats battle over during the obama years. april 28 is when current funding expires. will they be able to get a bill passed? already, democrats are saying they will not accept a bill with so-called poison bills, in their view, things that block funding for planned parenthood or demand construction of the wall along the border of mexico. they will not accept that. on top of that, they have to raise the debt ceiling. that was a problem in the obama years. on top of that, a supplemental
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funding package if congress will allow the wall to be built. >> you say april 28? >> yes. >> that's day 99 of the trump presidency. timing is everything in politics. >> nia? >> a new report out, john, i think you are part of that. >> a founding member. >> yes. a report on the infrastructure and the grade is not good. it's a d plus. this is the same grade american infrastructure got in 2013. we know donald trump has floated this idea of a $1 trillion infrastructure package. this report says it takes $2 trillion to get american infrastructure up to a "b" grade by 2025. this is an administration that doesn't like reports and findings. this, i think, will be a report they might use. we also know other republicans aren't keen on infrastructure spending. this is ammunition. >> d plus? >> yes, d plus, not great.
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>> well, there's a reason that people that you know, either never met anybody that likes donald trump or never met anybody that doesn't like donald trump. we crunched the numbers. we found there are fewer counties now than ever that voted that are swing districts. 60% of counties in this country gave 60% of their vote or more for one candidate or the other. there are only 10% of counties in this country where either trump or hillary clinton won by single digits. fewer and fewer counties, fewer and fewer people live in areas where they might meet somebody that voted for somebody they don't like or -- >> political self-segregation. a big issue when it comes to respect. thanks for joining us on inside politics. moments away from the press briefing. questions for sean spicer. a lot more. stay here. wolf blitzer will bring that to you live in a minute.
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hello, i'm wolf blitzer,itis 1:00 p.m. here in washington. wherever you are watching, thanks for joining us. we begin with breaking news at the white house. any moment now the white house press secretary, sean spicer will come up, make a few statements to the press and take questions. two of the bigger topics of discussion expected to be health care and phone taps. spicer is expected to face questions on president trump's allegations that his phone in trump tower in new york city was tapped during the campaign. when asked today, the presidential adviser kellyanne conway says she has no evidence and said that's not her job. earlier, over at the white house, president trump held what
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was called a listening session on health care, meeting with americans that had issues with obamacare once it was implemented. the president admitted under the new plan, lowering prices could take a couple years. also said the republicans are saving the american people from, he said, were the worst effects of obamacare. >> and the republicans, frankly, are putting themselves in a bad position. i tell this to tom price all the time, by repealing obamacare because people aren't going to see the truly devastating effects of obamacare. they are not going to see the devastation in '17 and '18 and '19. it will be gone by then. whether we do it by then, it will be imploded off the map. the press is making it look so wonderful so if we end it, everyone is going to say, oh, remember how great obamacare used to be? remember how wonderful it used to be. it was so great. it's a little bit like president
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obama, when he left, people liked him. when he was here, people didn't like him so much. that's the way life gos. >> bring in our senior white house correspondent, jeff zellny. on the wiretap issue, senator john mccain challenged president trump to provide evidence to back up the claim or retract the statement and apologize. what do you expect to hear from sean spicer? >> senator mccain said that on sunday. the president owes that to intelligence committees and the american people to provide that evidence or issue a retraction. now, we have not seen the president answer any questions on this. he was asked about this a short time ago when talking about health care. again, he declined to answer those questions. wolf, this is the deadline for the department of justice to submit information or evidence, if there is any to the house and senate intelligence committees. the press secretary, sean spicer
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has not been willing to offer evidence or go beyond what they have said all last week. so, i expect he'll be asked about it and the answers will largely be the same. wolf? >> i suspect you are right on that. jeff, we also could here as early as today the republicans plan to repeal and replace obamacare, how much it will cost and how many people will get that kind of insurance. how important, though, is this cbo's assessment? >> i think the cbo score is very important. the republicans i'm talking to an capitol hill are nervous about the number. they are not expecting it to be a good number in terms of how expensive it will be and how many people will lose coverage as well. we saw last week people in the administration trying to down play the accuracy of the cbo, the congressional budget office and it was not accurate in the affordable care act but it was the most

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