ng a better california. blocked again. president donald trump is complaining about judicial overreach after his second attempt at a travel ban hits a legal roadblock. and he's speaking out about the source of his wiretap allegations. and dutch voters decide to stick with the status quo, rejecting a far right fire brand and his party. hello and welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm max foster, and this is cnn newsroom. ♪ ♪ u.s. president donald trump is lashing out after his second travel ban was struck down by a federal judge just before it was

due to take effect. mr. trump had revised his original executive order from january, which caused havoc at u.s. airports and was ultimately struck down. the new ban would stop people from six mostly muslim nations from entering the u.s. the president told supporters in tennessee, he would appeal to the u.s. supreme court if necessary. >> the order he blocked, was a watered down version of the first order, that was also blocked by another judge, and should have never been blocked to start with. this is the opinion of many, an unprecedented judicial overreach. >> well, quite a different reaction from the attorney general of washington. he successfully challenged the first travel ban. take a listen to this. >> look, bottom line, that's

fantastic news. exactly what we're seeking, and what the immigrants rights project were seeking, what the plaintiffs in the case in maryland are seeking, what all of my colleagues, new york, maryland, massachusetts, oregon, what we are all seeking. so it's fantastic news. >> stephanie elam joins us from honolulu, hawaii, where the federal judge issued that temporary restraining order against the new travel ban. what did this judgment rest on, stephanie? >> reporter: well, it was a couple of points, max, when you take a look at this ruling here, he ruled that there would be irreparable injury if there was not relief. he said that that was likely. and he said this could affect both the university and the tourism here, which the state had argued would be damaged by this travel ban. obviously, as you might imagine here, tourism is a major part of the economic machine here in hawaii, but just to read a bit of the ruling from federal judge derek watson. let me read to you what he said.

he said the il logic of the government's contentions is palpable. the notion that one can demonstrate animus towards any group of people only by targeting all of them at once is fundamentally flawed. equally flawed is the notion that the executive order cannot be found to have targeted islam because it applies to all individuals in the six referenced countries. now, what was interesting about this as well, and while i was in court, i was listening to the judge question the lawyers for both sides here, but the question he had for the lawyer representing the united states was exactly about context. he was saying, should you look at what's on the document, just for the document -- the sake of what's on those papers, or do you look at the context of what donald trump has said himself, and pointing to things that he has said when he was a candidate. the lawyer said those should not be taken into consideration because he was a private citizen running for president. but then the lawyers for the other side also pointing out that he said things via his

surrogates. so they're saying, context in this case actually matters, and because of that, even if you take the original ban and then make it a watered down version, just taking out certain words, it's still, in essence, the same ban, and that was the decision made here, max. >> what's he saying? he's saying it's still partly a muslim ban, that has discrimination within it? >> it's still pointing to people's faith. it's discriminating against people based on their country of origin and their faith, and that goes against the grain of how things should be done in the united states and what has been ruled on previously by federal judges in the united states. >> okay, stephanie, thank you. with us now, is brian class, a fellow of comparative politics at the london school of economics. if you took this case on its own, perhaps it wouldn't have won, but they've taken the language from the campaign and

put it in context. >> the judge cited his language where he called for a total and complete shutdown of entry of muslims into the united states. and he also cited rudy guiliani, one of the trump surrogates in saying that trump had called him and said, how can we do a muslim ban legally. so this is a ruling that shows that words matter when the president of the united states and his surrogates say them, that they should be taken into con tax wh context when a ruling is made. >> it's all got this background behind it. >> that's true. but trump last night on stage was doubling down on the original travel ban, saying, maybe we should go back to the first one and go whole hog and see if we can get it through the supreme court. >> about the supreme court, will they go straight there? >> they may want to wait until justice gorsuch is on the bench, because it will be another vote, probably in favor of the

administration, but i think the larger context here, trump is attacking the judiciary for political reasons. he's saying repeatedly, they did this, because they are partisan, because they're biased against me. this is a long history that trump has with the judiciary where he said last summer, that a judge ruled against him because of his mexican ancestry. he said recently with the first travel ban that a judge ruled against him was a so-called judge. and all of this is poisoning the public against the judiciary. judges are supposed to think about the law and the constitution, not about how the united states is perceived around the world. so i think this aspect is where trump is crossing the line when he attacks the ruling. >> and he's very litigious himself, so some irony there. >> yeah, he likes to be in court, and i think he'll take this as a personal affront. he does not back down. and particularly in court he does not back down easily. i think this is not the last

we've seen of this. >> so it goes up against the judiciary, it's not a case that can be won or lost, because the judiciary, i'm going to fight back. we've heard briefing behind the scenes that they're frustrated with donald trump, but they're not going to fight back in the same way the media would. >> that's true. and that's an appropriate response for the judiciary, upholding the law. there's still the possibility the supreme court could rule that the separation of powers suggests that the president has the right to set immigration policy. that's a view in the legal community. there's some people who hold that view and it may be the ultimate decision, but in the meantime, it means that trump doesn't have the latitude to set immigration policy in this way particularly. i don't understand why he's not simply going around the extremely vetting idea he said before. if he had said stricter legal requirements from these

countries, it would almost almost certainly pass. so if you say, you can't come in, if you were born in yemen, that's a totally different thing than we're going to look closer at you if you were born in yemen. and i think that would succeed in the courts. >> and the political system, the washington system, the presidency, but you've also got the judiciary and the media as well. these are all fundamental parts of a democracy. what do you think about the tension there right now? >> i'm extremely worried about american democracy. it's been 56 days since trump has been in office, and he's attacked american democracy on a number of fronts. he's insinuated that voter fraud occurs on a mass scale, which is does not. he's called the press enemies of the american people, which they are not. he's suggested that the independent judiciary is motivated bipartisan reason, and they are not. and all this is undermining the checks and balances of the united states constitution that

make the u.s. a democracy. i've said for a long time, the united states has checks and balances, it has a constitution. but they're not magical. they're only as strong as people who stand up for them when they're under duress. and they're under duress right now. i hope that trump realizes he needs to work as one of the branches of government, and not some authoritarian figure that gets his way. >> okay, thank you very much for joining us this morning. ♪ ♪ here in europe, the dutch prime minister is claiming victory over far-right candidate geert wilders in the netherlands parliamentary elections. 94% of of the vote is count the and the people's party is expected to one 33 out of 150 sea seats. wilders will finish with 20

seats. the prime minister will now have to turn to other parties, as he tries to form a coalition government. wilders says he -- we haven't seen the last of him, though. let's go live to the hague and atika shubert. so he didn't make the head way that everyone was expecting. >> reporter: no, he didn't. he still managed to gain, though, about five seats. so as far as wilders is concerned, he didn't lose. but on the other hand, it's clear that he was stopped, really, by a combination of, you know, smaller parties getting ahead and mark rita gaining much more than what the polls said he would. even though rita's party lost eight seats in parliament, they still sort of maintained their lead, and rita was very much a victorious candidate last night. take a listen to what he had to say. >> translator: i've had lots of european leaders on the phone already. this night is a night for the

netherlands. after brexit, after the american elections, where we said stop it, stop it to the wrong type of populism. >> what's clear here, rita wasn't just campaigning to dutch voters, but he was speaking to a global audience as well. in fact, in just two days before the vote, he held a press conference in english where he specifically said, we mustn't forget brexit. remember what happened in the u.s. election. we must not make that same mistake. so he was very heavily campaigning on this, and it appears that voters listened to him. they went to the polling booths and believed that he was, at least for many of his supporters, the leader they wanted him to be. >> isn't that the interesting thing, though, because we had this very high turn-out, and that went for the incumbent and that wasn't the case with brexit. it was quite a low turn-out. and the same thing over the trump election as well. so are we now seeing a reaction against perhaps the populism

where people know that they have to go out and vote, if they want to keep the populists out? >> reporter: i think in part, yes. voter turn-out does tend to be high here. the last election, it was 75%. but here it's getting to 80% this election. and that is very high. i think when i spoke to analysts, and when you speak to voters themselves, what they say is, they were very -- they were actually undecided until the last minute. but a number of events made them change their mind. one of them was this turkish diplomatic crisis. rutte had a lot of tough talk and he was backed by other party leaders as well. that helped him. but also point out the trump effect. initially people thought that trump with the inauguration of president trump, it would mean that you would see a wave of other populist movements in europe gaining from that. however, because of the chaotic nature of the trump administration, a lot of voters here in the netherlands seemed

to have looked at the united states and said, is that what we want? let's take another look and see what our options are. we want something that's a little bit more stable, and that's something that rutte has delivered on. >> atikka, thank you very much. now, after his explosive wiretapping allegation, president trump didn't offer proof or say another word, until now. some lawmakers are demanding answers on the wiretapping claim. that story just ahead. d as the network it's on. and verizon has been ranked number one for the 7th time in a row by rootmetrics. (man) hey, uh, what's rootmetrics? it's the nation's largest independent study and it ranked verizon #1 in call, text, data, speed and reliability. (woman) do they get a trophy? not that i know of. but you get unlimited done right. (man 2) why don't they get a trophy? (man 3) they should get something. (woman 2) how about a plaque? i have to drop this. my arm's getting really tired. unlimited on verizon. 4 lines, just $45 per line.

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seriously. >> these men are now facing several counts, including economic espionage. nearly two weeks after making an unsubstantiated claim that former president barack obama ordered a tap on his phones, president trump is breaking his silence on that. in an interview with fox news, mr. trump said his accusation was based on reports in "the new york times" and on fox news. and he hinted, he has more proof. >> you're in change of the intelligence agencies. why not immediately go to them and gather evidence to support that? >> because i don't want to do anything that's going to violate any strength of an agency. we have enough problems. and by the way, with the cia, i just want people to know, the cia was hacked and a lot of things taken, that was during the obama years. that was not during us. that was during the obama situation. mike pompeo is there now doing a fantastic job. but we will be submitting certain things and i will be perhaps speaking about this next

week. but it's right now before the committee and i think i want to leave it there. >> leading lawmakers however say they don't see evidence of a wiretap. manu raju reports they're pressing for answers from the fbi. >> reporter: "todatoday members trump's own party are challenging his claim that trump towers had been wiretapped under the orders of barack obama. >> we don't have any evidence that that took place, and in fact, i don't believe just in the last week of time, the people i've talked to, i don't think there was an actual tap of trump tower. >> reporter: and senator lindsey graham said official answers over trump's allegation of wiretapping may soon be coming. >> there may be no there there, but it's pretty easy to answer the question was there ever a warrant issued or applied for. >> the answer is no. >> i believe it to be, but the longer they take to get back to me, the more concerned i am. and it builds suspicion. you know, what's taking them so

long? >> reporter: this comes as fbi director james comey briefed senators about its ongoing investigation. a move to diffuse tensions with the republican judiciary chairman who is holding up a key confirmation of a top justice department official, until he gets more answers. >> i expect people to respond according to what they told me. and in this particular instance, we were not given the respect that the constitution gives us of oversight of the executive branch of government. and so that's very irritating. >> reporter: the house intelligence committee is calling on the justice department to immediately provide any information to support president trump's allegations that were made during a saturday morning tweet storm 11 days ago. >> president obama wouldn't physically go over and wiretap trump tower. so now you have to decide. are you going to take the tweets literally? and if you are, then clearly the president was wrong. but if you're not going to take the tweets literally, and if

there's a concern that the president has about other people, other surveillance activities looking at him or his associates, either appropriately or inappropriately, we want to find that out. >> reporter: but nunes and the top democrat on the committee disagree on one key piece of the investigation, whether the trump campaign had any improper contacts with russians were mettling in the elections? . >> do you have any evidence of that? >> not that i'm aware of. i wouldn't answer that question as categorically as my colleague. >> look, the answer is no. >> and the attorney general said today that he never gave the president any evidence or reason to believe that he had been wiretapped by the obama administration. >> i have recused myself. i'm not talking to the president or the people who are investigating the case. and i'm unable to comment on any of those details.

>> we're going to claire sebastian joining us from moscow. you've been getting the same line from the kremlin, that there is no evidence that russia was involved in any sort of hacking. >> reporter: absolutely, max. from the very early stages of this, when these allegations first surfaced last year, the russians have dismissed it, almost laughed it off as ridiculous. i would say that in recent weeks, as these investigations become more serious, the kremlin spokesman has called it emotional extremism, hiysteria n washington, in the u.s. media, but the denials have remained consistent. russia said it's a u.s. domestic issue, but it does intelligent -- threatening to undermine the fragile resolve between the u.s. and russia. since the trump euphoria his receded, we've seen a dramatic

reduction of issues surrounding the trump administration in russia. fair to say that as these investigations get under way, the first public hearing is next week, they will be very closely watched here in russia. >> and have you been able to get any information on these two russian spies that have been charged by the justice department? >> reporter: well, certainly explosive allegations, max. this is the first time that the justice department has explicitly linked the cyber criminal underworld here in russia with the country's intelligence apparatus. in terms of reaction from moscow, the state-run news agency quoted an anonymous but high ranking official in moscow wednesday, saying, washington never appealed to the russian federation in connection with the accusations against russians in the alleged hacking of the yahoo site. that source said, another attempt to use the topic of russian hackers in the domestic political struggle in the united states. so this clearly is coming at a

delicate time in that relationship. the justice department officials have told cnn that they have planned on reaching out to russia after the indictment. but as to the fsb officers, we do know that dok chi yef is in custody in moscow already. that's in connection with a separate case. he was among four people who were accused in december of treason on behalf of the united states and arrested. a very murky case, max, many questions still surrounding what exactly that was in regard to. but certainly it's fair to say that, yes, one canadian and kazak national, has been arrested in connection to this case. but we believe the other three named in the yahoo indictment are in russia and it's very unlikely they'll be brought to justice in the u.s., max. >> claire, thank you. donald trump says he'll go all the way to the supreme court after a judge in the u.s. state

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welcome back, i'm max foster. president donald trump is lashing out after a federal judge blocked a new travel ban

just hours before it was due to take effect on thursday. the ban would have stopped people from six mostly muslim nations from entering the u.s. for 90 days. but unlike the previous order, it removed iraq from the list of banned countries. it also exempted people with green cards and valid visas and dropped language on religious minorities. mr. trump said judge derek watson's decision to block the ban was judicial overreach and he pledges to appeal his decision to the u.s. supreme court if necessary. judge watson, meanwhile, is receiving support from across the country, including praise from the attorney general of his own state. >> i don't think that judge watson was necessarily overreaching since there is precedent for the courts to be able to look at the context. context matters. in other words, that is something that the u.s. government has been arguing, which is that the only right thing to do is to look at the four corners of the document to see whether or not there's neutral language.

unfortunately for them, the supreme court has disagreed with that proposition and has told judges that the right thing to do is actually to look at what is going on behind the curtain. >> well, meanwhile, five republican appointed judges on the ninth circuit of appeals are signaling their support for the president's new travel ban. this is the same court mr. trump has repeatedly criticized in the past. in the statement, they said, whatever we as individuals may feel about the president or the executive order, the president's decision was well within the powers of the presidency. now the u.s. republican bill to repeal and replace obamacare faces its first big test in just a few hours. it's going to be -- it's going to go to the house budget committee where democrats and some conservative republicans could vote to derail it. house speaker paul ryan has defended the bill since it was introduced last week, but he isn't saying whether it could pass in the house without

changes. >> so if it came up in the house this afternoon, it would pass? >> well, it's not coming up this afternoon. it's going through the legislative process. that legislative process has not been finalized. so that's kind of a -- no offense -- kind of a goofy question or faulty premise. because this goes through four committees. the two committees it went through, unanimous republican votes in each of those committees. >> well, many americans are waiting to see how the american health care act will affect them. the congressional budget office says 24 million more americans would lose health insurance coverage over the next ten years. sanjay gupta spoke to a woman who could be one of them. >> reporter: the story you're about to hear is a typical one. 33-year-old valerie daniel does all the typical things a mom of two does. also typical, valerie, like 117 million americans suffers from a chronic illness. in her case, it's crohn's disease. an inflammation of her gi tract.

>> when i have flare-ups and i'm really sick, i'm confined to the bed a lot. either because of weakness or pain. >> reporter: now, like many americans, valerie does have employer-based insurance. she gets hers through her husband's employer. every few weeks, valerie makes the 40-minute drive to a hospital to get an infusion treatment. she invites me along on her next trip. >> with this type of medicine, it's a lifetime commitment. >> you couldn't not take the treatment? >> i had no option. at this point, i have tried every drug, surgery, procedures. this was my option. >> reporter: without insurance, a year's dosage could cost valerie about $20,000. >> are you worried about the affordable care act being repealed and the impact it would have? >> i'm nervous. not knowing the future, not knowing exactly what's going to be voted on, what are they going

to keep, what are they going to do for people like me? >> reporter: first the good news. under the republican proposed american health care act, here's what they're keeping. people like valerie can't be discriminated against for having a pre-existing condition. there will still be a ban on lifetime and annual caps. and her kids can still stay on their parents' insurance plan until they're 26. but the downsides -- employers will more than 50 employees no longer have to provide insurance. so getting covered through her husband's work may no longer be a given. and also, the new bill will incentivize all americans to have continuous coverage. this is to prevent people from buying coverage only after they get sick or injured. but valerie has experienced already just how difficult it is to keep health care insurance especially if oyou're out of work. >> my husband lost his job and

there was a three-month period where we were not covered. we had to pay for cobra. if there was even a little bit of a lapse of coverage that i would not be allowed to be covered. >> reporter: under the new bill, having a lapse in coverage of more than 63 days means that if you try and buy insurance on the individual market, you're going to have to pay an additional 30% tax on your premium, if you try and enroll again for the remainder of the year. and it's not just the 63 days from the time you lose your job, but anytime you have a gap in coverage of 63 days in the past year, at the time of enrollment. >> when you had to go to cobra, because your husband was not employed anymore, how much did that raise your premiums at this point? >> the price of cobra was over $900 a month. so we had no choice but to reach out to family to help pay for that. >> reporter: consider the fact that most people are unemployed

for ten weeks before they find a new job. that's 70 days. and when people are unemployed, just getting by, paying bills like their mortgage can be difficult, let alone paying an insurance premium on top of all that. >> when you look at our health insurance industry overall now, what grade would you give our health insurance system? >> i would probably say about a c. >> c? >> maybe a b minus. >> reporter: of course she's really hoping that the final replacement plan will be an a-grade for her and the rest of america. dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, atlanta. >> the u.s. health and human services secretary wants americans to know the republican party's health care plan is better than obamacare. meanwhile, tom price made his case at a cnn town hall event on wednesday night. he also faced tough questions from people who say their lives depend on their medical care. >> medicaid expansion saved my life and saved me from medical bankruptcy.

now i earn $11.66 an hour at my retail job. and obviously i cannot afford to pay for my cancer care out of pocket. my life really depends on having access to my doctors and medical care. >> it's important to appreciate that the program itself, it may have worked extremely well for you, and that's wonderful. and we need to keep those aspects of the program in place. but the fact of the matter is that the program is having extremely difficulty providing the care that's needed for all of the individuals on it. so what we want to do is to strengthen that program, to make it so that it's more responsive for patients and allows physicians and other individuals who are providing care for patients to be able to do so in a way that makes sense, as opposed to one that may make it more difficult for individuals to receive the care that they need. >> elsewhere voters in the netherlands are making a strong statement. just ahead, how anti-immigrant geert wilders figures into their future.

voters in the netherlands appear to be rejecting far-right leader geert wilders and his anti-immigrant message. results are not yet final but the ruling party looks to be heading for victory. 94% of the vote is counting and rutte's party is prestigiousoje win 33 seats out of parliament and wilders' party, only 20. from t meanwhile, america's top diplomat is in tokyo for the first stop on his visit to asiania. how the security threat from north korea is looming large over the trip is coming up next as well. but we're trying to get hold of our expert in the netherlands because what's interesting about this whole election is that it's been a litmus test really for populism in europe, what gripped

the uk with brexit and american voters with trump, take hold in this wave of elections taking place in europe this year. germany, france and the netherlands was the first test of that. geert wilders, who represents the far right, anti-immigration view, did do slightly better in this election than -- compared with other ones, but not in a huge way. didn't have a big dent. so he didn't really take over. there was this high turn-out that seems to come out in support for rutte, who is the prime minister, and his main opponent. so they really voted for the status quo. although, this is a coalition government country. so we don't know quite how that government will form. but let's hear from prime minister rutte as that result started coming in. >> translator: i've had lots of european leaders on the phone already. this night is a night for the

netherlands. after brexit, after the american elections, where we said stop it. stop it, to the wrong type of populism. >> translator: if they need me, or the pvv for talks, then i'm happy to take part. if not, then they haven't gotten rid of me yet. with more people, with 19 to 20 people in parliament, we will have a strong opposition against the cabinet, and we will make their lives difficult every day. >> the question is, will he be involved in any coalition government? seems unlikely because remember those coalition parties wa none of those coalition parties want to work with him. we'll be following that throughout the day and reaction to that hold on the travel ban as well in the u.s.

let's take you then to the netherlands. we were talking before the break about how this is a very significant result really. because it doesn't actually change that much. we didn't see geert wilders get the big gains we were expecting. let's speak to the assistant professor at university of amsterdam, joining me live now from the hague. some people are saying the prime minister actually did quite well from that big spat with turkey

just before the election, where he was seen to be a statesman, and then he got a big turn-out amid this threat that the far-right was going to do well. how do you read it? >> well, yeah, i think it's difficult to place effect to one incident this weekend. but it is right the prime minister did relatively well. although we should not forget that he actually lost quite some seats. so he lost some seats, but he is the biggest party, that means he has the initiative right now and the coalition formation that is partly explained by the fact that in the last few days he could really act as a statesman. but if it's the only explanation, i don't think that's probably too easy to say. >> there was some gains amongst smaller parties, geert wilders party gained a bit, but it wasn't the landslide he was predicting. >> no, but it was within the margins that were expected in the last days in the year

before, he did better. but in the weeks leading up to the election, his party was sort of, say, might win a couple of seats, they won some, but it's not like two years ago in the middle of the refugee crisis when he was polling a lot higher. >> and he's not going to gain a big position in politics because the smaller parties aren't going to want to form a coalition with him in it. so he remains a small player in dutch politics? >> yeah. well, that's the first -- that's a good observation right now. the vvd will have the initiative in forming a coalition. it's at the start unlikely that the freedom party will be joining these talks to be part of the coalition. but we should not underestimate that the freedom party has influence on the policy of dutch politics more broadly. so the cda and the vvd are

pushing for not very liberal laws when it comes to immigration. so it means that we see that the policy is influenced by the freedom party. >> what do you make of this high turn-out? is this a particularly dutch sort of way of going about elections? i know they have a tihigher turn-out than many other countries, but it was higher than ev than for the netherlands. does that suggest people are worried about wilders gaining power, therefore they came out and voted? because we know for brexit, there wasn't a high turn-out. >> no, we've seen a higher turn-out than in the elections before. one of the explanations could indeed be the worry. we've also seen that other parties have been mobilizing young voters, like the greens. we've seen initiatives where non-partisan groups were trying to mobilize young voters to come out and vote. but we'll have to see in the coming days which groups were

turning -- had turn-out higher than expected. so were it indeed the young voters or worried people from the city, we'll have to see which were the groups that might turn out a little higher than expected. >> bert bakker, thank you very much indeed. the u.s. secretary of state rex tillerson is in tokyo as part of his first official visit to asia. he's meeting with the japanese prime minister shinzo abe after talks with the foreign minister earlier. a busy few days for tillerson who heads to south korea, and then wraps up his trip in china. all these meetings share the topic of the growing threat of north korea. matt rivers in beijing, let's begin with will ripley in tokyo. was it all about north korea, or was it about other subjects as well? >> they talked about north korea, max, about the news out of the united states that the

state department is about to face drastic budget cuts. questions kind of went unanswered in terms of specifics on north korea. secretary tillerson and his japanese counterpart, reiterated the need for cooperation, for a new approach on north korea, and one, probably the most interesting noteworthy sound bite from the press conference was when secretary tillerson was very critical of north korea policy all the way going back to the clinton years, including the bush administration and the obama administration as well. listen. >> the diplomatic and other efforts of the past 20 years, to bring north korea to a point of denuclearization have failed. so we have 20 years of failed approach. and that includes a period in which the united states provided $1.35 billion in assistance to north korea as an encouragement to take a different path way. that encouragement has been met

with further development of nuclear capabilities, more missile launches, including those of the recent february 11th and march 5th. >> that $1.35 billion figure secretary tillerson referred to, from what we can add up, it seems he's talking about food and energy aid that the united states gave to north korea. a significant portion of it in the late '90s and early 2000s, when that country was dealing with a deadly famine situation. but as far as specifics about this new approach, no confirmation from secretary tillerson that he might be trying to expand beyond a regional approach to a more global approach. an iran model, if you will. that would go against president trump's criticism of the iran deal during the campaign. and also no confirmation if secretary tillerson and if the u.s. will consider actually sanctioning chinese companies that do business with north korea. state department sources have been leaking that information, but from the secretary himself,

no specifics on this approach, max. >> okay, will, thank you very much indeed. so, matt, this tour will end in china, and that's obviously the big player in that region. lots of tensions between the u.s. and china. do you think they'll focus on north korea, or will they focus on trade? >> no, i think north korea is going to be at the top of the list. and we are hearing as will just mentioned, from a couple senior officials in the administration, in the u.s. administration, that secretary tillerson is going to tell his chinese counterparts that they are ready to increase financial penalties against chinese businesses and banks that do business with north korea, that the united states is tired of chinese companies, in part, funding the weapons development program coming out of pyongyang. but it was a bit earlier today, max, that we were given access to an official here in the ministry of foreign affairs in china. that's a very rare thing. we rarely get to talk to policy makers here in beijing. and we asked him, this would be the asian affairs department

director-general in mofa. and we asked him about what could be a harder line strategy from the united states when it comes to dealing with china and north korea. >> we hope they will not. because it's not fair. and that's not right. that's not the correct way of dealing things. >> if it did happen, would that propose a serious obstacle in china's ability to deal with the united states diplomatically and work together on this issue? >> well, secretary is coming in two days' time. let's see how we communicate with chinese colleagues. >> so clearly avoiding the question there about the financial penalties that chinese companies could be facing. but that's not the only thing that tillerson is going to be discussing here. he said they'll also be discussing ways to work with china to curb the north korean situation. china is proposing what they're calling a suspension for suspension plan. china thinks the united states

and south korea should suspend military activities, the joint training exercises, and in return, the north koreans will stop their missile testing. the chinese say it's a win-win situation. >> in terms of the chinese -- >> like to see americans to move first. take some actions first to show their sincerity, and vice versa. so china's proposal is, why not do it at the same time. no sequence. no first or second. there's a parallel. we do it at the same time. >> skeptics will tell you that maybe the united states and north koreans are not going to sign on for that. everyone wants to solve the problem. the question is, how is it going to be done. >> matt rivers and will ripley, thank you very much indeed. thank you for joining us as well. i'm max foster.

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