calm manner, getting ready for the next question to be ready for whatever's coming next. she is slightly surprised by that comment. >> you can see it when we play it slo-mo. thanks so much. great to talk to you. >> thanks for having me. >> have a wonderful weekend. anderson is next. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin with breaking news that knocks the legs if there were any left of president trump's claim that president obama had him wiretapped. our manu raju has just gotten the bottom line. he joins us. what are your sources telling you about this doj report? >> reporter: tonight a government official tells me that there is nothing in this report that will corroborate a central claim made by the president of the united states that his predecessor, barack obama, had ordered wiretaps of him and spied on him during the presidential campaign. now, this source tells me that that claim that the president made is false and that the claim

is not backed up by the records that were submitted from the justice department to the house intelligence committee and judiciary committee today. this comes after this was released early in the afternoon to these committees in a classified setting. going into the briefing room where devin nunes, the chairman of the house intelligence committee, reviewed it, i asked him, do you think that these records will corroborate what the president said? he said, i don't think so. and adam schiff, the top democrat in the committee, emerged trying to -- from this room. he had not yet seen it but he was about to review these documents in the coming hours. he said there's really no question about this, the president's statements before and his tweets since leading right um today have no basis in fact. he said he was absolutely confident there was nothing in this doj letter that would prove president trump correct. it looks like a rebuke, anderson, from the president's

own department of justice on this claim he hangs on to in the last couple weeks. >> there were some reports the report might be classified. is there a chance we might not find out what it says? >> reporter: there is a chance. it's a classified report in a classified briefing room. one copy give on the members of the house intelligence committee for them to review. monday is a key omit. that's when there will be hearings on capitol hill. james comey will be among those who are testifying. he'll be asked about this. and what does he say publicly. we don't know yet but we are expecting according to some that he will back down these reports of wiretapping. that could be the first time we hear what's revealed publicly. from our understanding there's nothing that confirms what president trump has been saying. >> thanks very much. the department of justice reporting just the late nest a string of high-profile

refutations of what the president claimed. in the last 13 days, one official and lawmaker after another have come forward to say they've seen no evidence to back up the president's saturday spasm of pete 2003tweets. despite all that, the president reaffirmed he was wiretapped in the most public way possible next to angela merkel. angela merkel who was actually eavesdropped upon by u.s. intelligence. the president said this -- >> as far as wiretapping, i guess, you know, this past administration, at least we have something in common, perhaps. [ laughter ] a joke, kind of charming but a joke based on something there is no evidence of. and yet the president of the united states continued to talk about it. he did use the word "perhaps" today meaning perhaps he was wiretapped by the past

administration. maybe that's progress. shadow of doubt. or maybe the latest way the president tries to distance himself from his bold and direct claims against president obama. perhaps it happened. when he tweeted about it 13 days ago there was no perhaps in his tweets. the president mostly through his spokesman has been trying to distance himself for days it seems by aat the present timing the redefine what he actually meant to those tweets. he didn't really mean wiretapping. put it in quotes sometimes. he didn't really mean president obama or himself. it was done to other people around him. now he's saying perhaps. in trying to defend the president, a spokesman has created another problem, something of an international incide incident, angering our closest ally, great britain. yesterday sean spicer citing reports about surveillance and seemed to embrace an unproven allegation made by a comment tay or on fox news. >> last on fox news on march 14th judge andrew napolitano

said, three intelligence sources have informed fox news president obama went outside of the chain of command, didn't use the nsa, the cia, the fbi, the dortch doj. he used gchq. that's the initials for the british intelligence spying agency. saying president needs transcripts of conversations, and he's able to get it a no american fingerprints on this. putting published accounts and common sense together, this lead to a lie. >> that is the spokesman for the president of the united states speaking from the podium at the white house. in response, britain's gchq did something they rarely ever do -- they publicly denied judge napolitano's claim, calling him not just wrong, using their words, calling them nonsense. we've learned there were two conversations or confrontations between british officials and the white house today. a british official telling cnn the meeting between sean spicer and the british ambassador was serious in tone and not cordial. there were reports that sean

spicer apologized but later today spicer told reporters off camera, we just reit v-8ed the fact we were simply reading media accounts, that's it. he said i don't think we regret anything. and president trump didn't make a strong stand. he pointed the finger elsewhere as well. >> all we did was quote a certain very talented legal mind who was the one responsible for saying that on television. i didn't make an opinion on it. that was a statement made by a very talented lawyer on fox. and so you should .talking to me. you should be talking to fox. okay? >> that's the president of the united states saying, hey, i didn't make that unfounded allegation, i just made sure it was heard around the world by having my spoex perp read it out from the podium at the white house. doesn't mean we believe it just because we said it. fox news had to make a public statement. shepard smith was given that

task. >> fox news cannot confirm judge napolita napolitano's commentary. we know of no evidence that the president of the united states was surveilled at any time in any way, full stop. >> that is where we are tonight. britain upset that the white house is trafficking in claims made by a tv commentator that british intelligence was running a secret operation off the books for the president of the united states against the man who is now the president of the united states. truth is stranger than fiction. these days fiction is getting a lot more play. kirsten powers, and the rest of our panel. l maggie, you have manu's reporting, which is huge news if it's later confirmed and if monday have comey comes out

monday, that's kind of puts the whole thing to rest i guess. >> if you look at what the president said, it's either true or not true that his phones were tapped. i have understand we've walked it backward from the poed i didn't mean, the white house has, suggested we were talking about a prodder range of surveillance. my understanding from those at the white house, the president believes he will be vindicated in some way, has come to believe and maybe believed it before there will be some sort of surveillance that will show up perhaps elsewhere in trump tower if not of him but paul manafort, hicham pain chairman, has an apartment in trump tower, that's one theory that had been posited. again, we are talking about the severity and the weight of the president saying this and the press secretary saying this. the press secretary at the white house from that podium isn't just speaking as a spokesman for president. they're essentially a spokesperson for the country. so reading an unverified report

about our ally, about intelligence involving our ally that is not true as it turns out, that fox news where it erred took the extra step of saying this is not true and we have no independent confirmation of this, very ununusual for them, there is no responsibility the president has taken for owning any of these words. at a certain point the risk for this white house when everything is treated like a rapid response out of the rnc, there will at some point be a crisis that's not of their own making. so far they have been. at some point they'll need the public to believe them and hear what they're saying so there's a danger going down this road unless it's possible comey will come out and say something entirely different, that validates what the president said. but this is pretty clear cut. at a certain point it will be hard to keep making the argument there is something and you're not seeing it. >> that is the larger issue about a crisis of credibility really.

>> and what started two weeks ago a what appears now to be a weapon of mass distraction has turned into a web of mass distortion of the facts and no one knows which end is up. when we have not just the latest doj report but house and senate intel committee members, democrats and republicans, saying there is no evidence to support this claim, that's a problem. i think he need to come clean and say maybe i may have overstated this. the fortunate thing, he is the president of the united states. judge napolitano is phenomenal and brilliant but the president of the united states has the ability to call officials and say hay it on the table, here's what i know, what i meant, what i intended to say and put an end to this. we have a budget to talk about, health care to talk about and this has been a big waste of time. >> 13 days later the white house is still trying to deal with

this aftermath of a random series of early morning tweets and has alienated great britain in the process. >> and has sent the whole government apparatus on this wild dpoos chase to hunt this down. we have the intelligence community looking at this, all these resources being put toward this one claim. then even what maggie was saying how he thinks he'll be vindicated if somehow paul manafort -- >> or whomever -- >> was being monitored. that's not the accusation he made. the accusation was he personally had his phone tapped by barack obama. a very specific allegation. then with angela merkel today said yoe said, you know, we said nothing, we just cited this fox news report. that is saying something. when you stand at the podium and cite a news report, cnn doesn't cite a news report without verifying that it's true first, right. so shouldn't the white house do the same?

>> that excuse, you know, we just cited it, it remind me of candidate trump's preeted excuse during the campaign when he would retweet something that would get him in trouble and he'd say i'm just retweeting. which is actually a physical action that you are taking and a decision you are making to spread information further than it ordinarily would. >> anderson, i guess i'm going to be the lone voice here. i just respectfully disagree with all of my friends here. as to allison's point, and i must say i disagree, think what happened when reince priebus, now the white house chief of staff, was approached by the deputy director of the fbi in the white house who told him unprompted that sessions -- the media ran with that for days and the idea was that reince priebus had overstepped, the white house

had overstepped, they were trying to do something funny to an fbi investigation. can you imagine if president trump called various people and said okay i want to get to the bottom of this, the media would go nuts on this. he's done the right thing not to do that. >> but now that -- again, we'll know more monday but according to the latest reporting the department of justice report does not confirm the president's claims, jeffrey, does the president need to admit he was wrong? >> no. what the president needs to do -- frankly, i'm totally dumbfounded at these republicans on the hill. they need to take all the news accounts from maggie's paper and put them out there and investigate those. notice that fox news has retracted its report, "the new york times" has not done so with these stories. >> i'd like to say something. there's a real problem with what you said and what the president has said on this which is

essentially he's said these are fake reports. reince priebus in that conversation about the fbi and the fbi director talking to him said these times reports are not true. these are the same stories that sean spicer using from the podium to say this justifies our claim and to be clear we stand by our reporting. these are now -- >> there you go. >> but that's a different point than you're making. >> i'm making -- >> let her finish. >> president and reince priebus said those weren't true so i'm trying to figure out what the white house thinks of this, one, and two, at the end of the day, i don't understand if you're a white house and you want people to either believe in institutions or not, i guess i'm confused about how you can cite these stories and -- let me finish tb and for the record those stories do not say what sean spicer claims they had said. sean spicer cited these to suggest they backed up the president's claim he was

wiretapped by the previous president. >> surveilled p. >> that is not what those stories said. no, it is not. >> it says people of the obama administration were responsible for surveillance and that surveillance was leaked to "the new york times" among others. >> that was not what was said. two -- [ talking over each other ] >> you're doing the same thing sean spicer did. >> the reporter you have cited multiple times to back up your claims, we've had him on twice saying you are wrong. my article did not say what sean spicer and the white house and you are claiming it says. >> sean -- i mean -- i have just read again today these stories. i don't mean to -- i continue confuse anderson with sean.

[ laughter ] what i'm saying is it's clear in those stories that people working for the obama administration. again, as i have said before, when some bureaucrat in the agriculture department said ketchum was a vegetable, ronald reagan was held responsible. that's what we do with presidents. harry truman's, the buck stops here. this happened on president obama's watch -- >> you've heard those "new york times" articles. i would suggest you go back and read donald trump's tweets because what he alleged is not what you are saying. what he alleged -- what judge napolitano is saying is that this is an -- we're not parsing words. we're reading literal tweets from the president of the united states. and judge napolitano is doing the exact same thing and his sourcing says that the president of the united states, president obama, was running an off the books intel operation using british intelligence and there's no evidence of that. >> correct. and fox news has backed away

from the story as you heard with magg maggie, the "new york times" is not backing away. [ talking over each other ] >> i'm sorry, but i have to defend both the reporting that my colleagues have done, which is -- you are misrepresenting. >> who do they work for? >> who? >> the people in your stories, your sources -- >> we would not talk about who our sources were. you know that. so you can say whatever you want. >> you made a claim in your stories these were sources who were familiar with the investigations. >> can you point to me the line in any single story that says sources say that president obama personally tapped quote/unquote president trump's phone? that's what the tweet said. >> don't do that. the president of the united states -- >> literally again. >> he's responsible for his administration and everybody in it. when this was reagan or george

w. bush or anybody else, they nailed him for it. >> okay. i'm sorry. do you mean the same way that president trump today said don't blame us, blame fox news for the thing my spokesman read from the podium? explain how these are not all the same. >> presidents are responsible for administration and president obama's administration was in fact surveilling us or surveilling somebody. >> that's fine. that's not what he said and not what those stories say. >> that's what you're saying. >> i'm lost now. what are you saying i'm saying? i'm actually confused. transitive -- >> let's take a break. we'll continue on the other side. more on the subject next including the apology or not made by sean spicer to the brisht government. modern life deserves a modern way to pay.

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an official telling us there's no backup for president's claim of wiretapping despite knowing the reports. president did not back down. jeff zeleny. you were there at the press conference with angela merkel just a few feet away when president trump was asked about the wiretapping claim by a german reporter. tell us about the reaction from the president and in the room. >> the look on the president's face was clearly one of a subject he didn't want to talk about, molest interesting since he brought up the topic in the first place. the two u.s. reporters who were at the press conference and called on picked by the white house, talked about health care.

they asked about health care. of course it's an important matter. certainly not the news of the tay. when the german reporter at the end of the news conference asked that question, the president looked shocked in one sense and simply that he was not going to fully answer the question. but he did indeed double down on this. he did not take that opportunity if he wanted to to sort of correct the record, not surprisingly. his initial reaction seemed one that he did not hope to be asked about this today. >> this whole apology made or not made by sean spicer to the british government, did he apologize to them privately? when asked if he regretted making allegations, his response was i don't think we regret anything. >> one more interesting series of events. this morning we were told by a senior administration official that indeed the administration through sean spicer and the new national security adviser mcmaster expressed regret and

some type of apology to the british government. it was confirmed with a spokesperson for the british prime minister month who said is the white house agreed to never talk about it again. come a few hours later, the president talked about it again and said ask the questions to fox news. after that, sean spicer said, look, we didn't apologize. the apology hung out for hours today. it wasn't until the president sort of stuck by this that sean spicer said we are not apologizing for this. this is ending tonight with the british government saying we have no more comment on this but it certainly didn't help matters. in fact the end of the day seems to me to be even more ruptured than at the beginning of the tay and the british government understandably was furious. >> jeff zeleny, thank very much. back to our panel. not like britain is a longtime ally of the united states or anything, fought with us or anything. >> not true?

>> i haven't gone insane. this seems to be top of the list given to your point all the important things this administration is doing and wants to do and achieve for them now to be embroiled, upsetting, you know -- you have angela merkel who didn't look very pleased today and president trump clearly looks like contentious meetings. now britain's upset. >> again, to the point i was making, before these are crises of their own making. there is work the administration is doing. a lot is controversial. people agree or disagree with it but when the president talks about what he's done in his first however many days in office it's usually with ca characteristic hyperbole, but he's done a series of successful policy moves that are significant and interesting and worth discussing. had a good jobs report last week, his first. granted these are not trump policies in place yet but still something other administrations would point to.

instead we are doubling down, we, meaning they, doubling down on something because trump's mantra is never admit a mistake. so it can't be a mistake by definition because they said it. to jeff's point this alleged apology ou apology hung out there a long time. i was hearing there was no apology. i'm not clear on what happened. there are real world ramifications to these moments. people are taking these things literally. >> jeffry, i think i know your argument, well i think your argument is that donald trump was elected to stir things up and to the people who voted for him and to his base the idea that he's poking britain in the eye or got angela merkel upset

or whatever is maybe all for the good. >> i don't want to give you a coronary, but if it were me, i would apologize and be done with it. >> wow. okay. but this is a person who does not apologize. >> in fairness, recall the previous prime minister who was a conservative was saying all sorts of terrible things about him on the flor of parliament and lost his job the day donald trump arrived in scotland to chick out a new golf course. since that time the british parliament has been debating seriously whether or not to keep the president of the united states out of their country, which in terms of whether we get to do what britain tells us to do when i say settled in 1776, but, yeah, i'd just do it, be done with it and move on. >> keirsten? >> i think -- i'm not sure

donald trump considers this a mistake. i don't think -- we when you get down to it, he cares about one thing and that's himself. he is consumed with what he thinks is being done to him and not concerned about the repercussions of when he says these kind of thins and the sort of impact they have on other people. you can see it in the way he's responded. he just continuing to act like this is the most important thing in the world and it doesn't matter what everybody else is saying. all that matters, he thinks this happened to him. he obviously believes this happened to him, facts be damned. and it doesn't matter that it puts american security in jeopardy by fracturing a relationship with multiple countries, bringing germany into it. >> it was so powerful he said during the campaign, amend i'm paraphrasing, but every waking minute, what i'm going to be focused on is what is good for the american people, going to bring job, the economy, keep them safe. all this stuff.

none of this has anything to do with that. >> this is still his priority. all this aside, they have kept the promises they made to the american people in terms of right out of the gate taking steps to secure the border and working to build the wall, repeal and replace for obamacare and taking steps that followed through on the promises he made to the american people. this regard to saying things that might not be 100% factually accurate, may be harmful to other people, he did that throughout the campaign, did that to ted cruz, my boss, but people voted for him because they liked his policies. one of my biggest issues is the supreme court nominee. gorsuch's confirmation is coming up. that is a big deal for people. >> maggie, we have to go. >> i think you are correct he's frustrateds this being said. he can't change the narrative. he's used to using his twitter

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republican leaders have scheduled a house vote on their bill to replace obamacare for next thursday. paul ryan is counting on president trump to lock in the votes needed to pass the bill. major arm twisting under way. republic former republican governors urging them to drop the replacement bill and considered an alternative they've drafted. big news, new twist in the wiretap story and president trump's press conference with german chancellor angela merkel. i spoke about wit governor kasich. i want to talk about the letter you sent to congress about medicaid and the president's health care plan. a couple headlines today, the british are upset over something that the white house repeated that, you know, judge napolitano said on fox. you host a show on fox news, fill in for bill o'reilly.

a pundit put out an unproven claim like that, would you have repeated that without certainty? >> i don't know the whole story with what happened there, anderson. all i know is when i was on fox just like when you're on cnn, we like to kind of get it right and not just say things to get ratings, you know, so i know the judge, i don't know what he said, and i'm not sure what the president said, but -- >> fox is saying there's no evidence of what napolitano said. >> i don't even know what napolitano said. here's what i do know. as the governor of this state, my word matter. as the president of the united states, the president's word t mamas matter. this is to some degree a learning experience for the president. one of the things i told him when i was in the oval office, one time my wife pulled me aside because i was saying something and she didn't like it and she said, hey, john, you know, you're the father of ohio. why don't you act like it? so i told him that story and he

kind of chuckled. look, i'm doing what i can do and i'm not interested in being in a war of word with the president. i'm going to praise him when he's right and when i don't think he's right i'll criticize if i don't think i'm out of line. >> as far as the health care plan that the president and the gop leadership are pushing, you and three other republican governors have raised concerns about the impact on medicaid saying you've said the house bill, quote, provides almost no new flexibility for states, it doesn't ensure the resources necessary to make sure no one is left out and shifts significant new costs to states. you were able to get by expanding medicaid 700,000 people who wouldn't have been covered got coverage under obamacare. what happens to them under this plan now? >> this thing needs to be reformed, no question. the costs are growing. the exchange, the other part of

obamacare, insurance industry, we see companies collapsing on that exchange. couple things. first of all, you need to have a plan that allows the people who are now getting coverage to be able to keep their coverage. i wouldn't mind if the states kind of cut back the match. it's a 90/10 match if over time they moved that down. we had a match a little higher. >> the federal government is giving incentives -- basically paying money for the states to expand coverage for -- >> 90/10. that's the match. called enhance match. we don't want to get into the details other than to say it's okay if they phase that out over time but if you remove people -- most of the people who are on medicaid expansion today are not on it in a year so you don't want to just kick them off. where do they go? supposed to go to the exchange. here's the problem with exchange. the most you can get is a $4,000 tax credit to buy health

insurance. let me ask you, what would you buy for $4,000 for a health insurance policy? most people are spending $2,000 a month and we'll give you $4,000? you won't get primary care, you'll have a catastrophic policy with a deductible you can never pay. what i'm fearful of, if republicans jam this through without working with democrats and reaching some sort of real good compromise, we will be right back where we were in five or six years before we started with obamacare. >> do you have any reason to think the white house or congressional leadership are going to make the changes you want? as you said, you met with the president about this, pitched your ideas, you've been very public about this. >> well, he's also called me. and we talked about it. he's going to fight right now, i believe, i haven't talked to them, to get the bill through. i think at the end of the day i believe that he would be a negotiator. i don't think this bill passes the senate. i hope it doesn't. i think the situation is maybe

it passes the house, maybe not. but when it gets to the senate we have to involve both parties in the discussion because if you don't have both parties working on a major issue, it's not sustainable. whether it was social security, medicare, the budget act of 1997 where we balanced the budget, welfare reform. if you don't have both parties buying in, it becomes a political issue in the next campaign and when the other party wins they repeal it. that is no way to run america. >> always good to touk wialk wi. >> thanks, anderson. >> the full interview is online. president trump may not like to say sorry but we know he's capable of it. why is he not backing down from his wiretap claim? t-mobile one save you hundreds a year. right now get two lines of data for $100 dollars.

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government officials telling cnn there's no evidence of wiretaps at trump tower ordered by president obama. president trump has refused to

back down on the claim despite not producing proof. a long list of lawmakers and other officials have said they've seen no evidence to support the claim, yet president trump hasn't budged. during the campaign, he was asked how he felt about admitting mistakes and apologizing. here's what he said at a town hall in milwaukee. you said on the radio in wisconsin the other day you do apologize and believe in apologizing. when was the last time you actually apologized for something? >> oh, wow. [ laughter ] no, i don't know -- can i think? but, look, i do believe in apologizing if you're wrong. but if you're not wrong, i don't believe in apologizing. >> a specific example that you apologized ever? >> apologize. i apologized to my mother years ago for using foul language. >> seven months after that town hall the "access hollywood" tape surfaced and we heard him using some foul language. hours later he apologized in this video.

>> i've never said i'm a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone that i'm not. i've said and done things i regret. and the word released today on this more than a decade old video are one of them. anyone who knows me knows these words don't reflect who i am. i said it. i was wrong. and i apologize. >> for the record we know he is capable of saying he's sorry. alan dershowitz joins us. also cnn contributor michael di antonio. his refusal to apologize or admit he was wrong, where do you think that comes from? people have pointed to roy cohen, his attorney, but also has a fascinating background with mccarthy. >> i think he was one of donald trump's mentors. i knew roy cohen when we worked

together on the klaclaus von bu case. he was a man who never apologized. the important thing about roy is he was not an ideological person. what he cared about was personal loyalty, personal success, winning, being on the right side, and never backing down or apologizing. of course he ended his life being disbarred. >> his general kind of strategy was be on the attack. attack, attack, attack. >> always. and it served him very well for most of his career. in the end, when he was dying, if he had been willing to profusely apologize he might not have been disbarred. but i think he wanted to go down without having to change his philosophy and i think that helps understand a little bit president trump. he got to where he is with this philosophy. suck says in business, success in winning the nomination, winning the election. i don't think we're going to see

him change much as president. >> michael, do you agree? you wrote about him, spent time with him as a candidate, a citizen. this is a strategy that he's been using his whole life and successfully. >> i agree that we shouldn't expect to hear anything different from president trump. roy was one person who taught him this style, but his father was very much the same. if you go back and read the record of his father being questioned by a senate banking committee on his use of federal fund for housing, he runs that committee in circles and refuses to admit to anything. i think this is a style that is a way of addressing controversy without ever backing down. i think he thinks it would be a sign of weakness to say i'm sorry to almost anyone. >> go ahead. >> in addition to his style, it's also a brand i think for

him, and what i think he's done as president is something a little different. because i think he now has a vice president in charge of saying he's sorry, doesn't necessarily mean vice president pence but there will be people in the white house who will issue apologies. >> i wonder if the way president trump views the presidency is different than past recent presidents view it. whether donald trump sees it in the same way other president have seen it. >> he's always seen everything through a very personal lens. in this case, if you saw how he treated barack obama when he was the president, saying everything he could to delegitimize him, i'm not sure that he held the office in the esteem or with the respect his predecessors have held it. that means that as a person he's going to resist ever changing his mind or being seen to change his mind.

i'm not sure that he attaches the same dignity to the presidency as other presidents have. >> a friend of his toll me that donald trump may not regard the presidency as a promotion from where he was previously. he may regard it as a parallel job. he's going to keep the same style and the same tactics that got him here. but he'll find that he'll need to have people do the diplomacy for him. putin doesn't apologize. he sees putin in many ways as a role model. there are other tough leaders throughout history who haven't apologized, some pretty good leader who is haven't apologized. this is not a style that's only negative. it could get the country into trouble, obviously. he sees it as a positive style and rant.

>> something the people who voted for him clearly like about him, i think. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> up next, president trump unveils his first federal budget bluepri blueprint. we'll go over the big numbers. . . . . there is no evidence the program helps kids succeed. the folks that trrun it disagre. ♪st. croix full of pure vibes. ♪ so nice, so nice. ♪ st. john a real paradise. ♪ so nice, so nice. ♪ proud to be from the virgin islands. ♪ ♪ and the whole place nice. to experience your virgin islands nice, go to visitusvi.com.

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president trump's first federal budget proposal calls for 1.5 million, pushing some agency's budgets to the lowest in decade. gary tuck moon h gary tuchman has the story from atlanta. >> reporter: for the students at the s.l. lewis elementary school in college park, georgia. the school day is done but the learning is not over. 130 of the students, most who live in low income households are part of an after-school program called wings for kids. it is called wings because the goal is to encourage kids to soar. they learn, socialize and have snacks. >> three, two, one! >> reporter: they eve have been their own creed. under president trump's new

proposed federal budget, wings primary source of funding would be eliminated. there are 11 wings for kids programs in three states with about 1600 children participating. richard laird is the ceo. >> how does that make you feel sh. >> devastated. i have been with this organization for 19 yeerts and thi thinking about the kids lose thg program breaks my heart. >> reporter: they get $1.6 million a year from the federal program called 21st century learning centers. it receives about $1.2 billion a year from the federal government it gives out to after-school organizations across the country. all of that money would disappear under the president's budget plan. >> reporter: what will that do to snu. >> that will eliminate our programs. we will not be able to have the programs we have operating in the fashion they do and our kids will no longer be able to come to the program. they will go home to unsupervised houses or their

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>> very much. >> reporter: and they seem blissfully ann wear it could soon be going away. >> it is likely that after congress gets involved, there will be many changes to the proposed budget and many of the cuts may be reduced or eliminated as soon as the ceo of this group, wings for kids, have optimism that maybe the funding won't get cut. >> the ceo does not like what the budget director said about after-school programs but has faith that ultimately congress and the white house will think it makes sense to continue funding after-school programs not only for the people who are in them but also that they will realize like she does that it is good for society. >> gary tuchman there is a lot more ahead in the next hour of 360. another blow to the president's claim that president barack obama had him wiretapped. we have the potentially damaging bottom line. stay tuned. try clarispray clarispray provides unsurpassed relief.

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