for our u.s. viewers it's a lot of news. let's get after it. >> president trump was here to do what he does best. to close the deal. >> thursday's crucial vote, to finally repeal and replace the disaster known as obamacare. >> there's not the vote to pass this bill. >> there's a price to be paid with their own voters. criticizes a federal judge. i find that disheartening. >> how do we have confidence. it won't just be for the big corporations. >> a good judge doesn't care about politics. how bad is the white house's credibility issue. >> there is no collusion. we had to talk to mr. manafort. i don't know how you could convince everybody that your campaign chairman is a limited role. this is new day. >> welcome to your new day. we begin with president trump's deal making getting tested like never before. the gop plan to repeal and

replace obamacare is facing a critical house vote tomorrow. the president is warning skept car length republicans to get on board or risk losing their seat. at this point mr. trump does not have enough votes for the measure to pass. cnn's latest count has at least 19 republicans voting no and another 7 leaning no. >> it was an odd reaction for the republicans. they need to change their vote or get on board. they seem tone joy the show but didn't know where their head is. the white house's credibility of wall street journal editorial suggesting most americans macon collude mr. trump is a fake president. it's day 62 of the trump presidency. we have it all covered. let's begin with susan live on capitol hill. he didn't need to entertain them. he needed to change their minds. how much progress did he make? >> it seems like he has a long way to go. still there's competing narratives this morning here on the hill.

at 10:00 we'll see the republican bill go before the house rules committee. at the same time we're seeing former vice president joe biden joining nancy pelosi and other democrats to celebrate the 7th anniversary of the signing of obamacare. all of this while the president is pushing for the legislation to be passed as quickly as possible. >> there really is a crucial vote for the republican party and the people of our country. >> president trump in full mode to vote yes to repeal and replace obamacare. >> the american people gave us clear instructions. it's time to get busy, get to work and to get the job done. >> the president testing out his own brand of deal making in a closed door meeting on capitol hill.

gop members giving trump a standing ovation. party loyalists gushing. >> the president came here and knocked the ball out of the park. >> using threats and public shaming to sell the american health care act to his own party they could lose their seat if it doesn't pass. the president cautioning meadows, i'm coming after you but meadows and others are still a hard no. >> there's still not enough votes to pass this particular bill. >> the president did a great job and i appreciate the president. >> even after tweaks were made to the bill to appeal to more conservative and moderate republicans. >> what i don't get is t this must be done right now on thursday some sort of do or die day. it's not. >> the house needs 2016 votes.

house republicans cannot afford to lose more than 21 republican votes. there are 19 noes from republic republicans on the fence and including the senator that i spoke with yesterday are expressing confidence. but they are eager to get their hands on this. >> joining us pete sessions from texas. supports the gop health care plan. good to see you as always. what are you saying to your brothers and sisters that left the president's office saying that was fun but this bill is still not enough and things turned out quite well this is a

matter of whether we're going to keep obamacare as we know it and some 30 million americans who today do not have an opportunity to receive it will find that $8,000 will be well received and well used. >> there's a lot of people in the party in general that believes these are not the best set of ideas yet they want more time why not give it more time. >> well, certainly that's a good question you and i have been vetting the ideas that came out. this was a compromise bill just because it's not what i want doesn't mean it's not 2-thirds of a good bill that's then become a compromised material that we're going to have to work

on so i believe we can pass it. is it better than what we have today? absolutely. will it save the american health care system? yes. is it going to be something we'll have to work with for quite sometime? yes also. >> but again just the idea of time, when you ask somebody to do something they don't want to do, just swallow this one. it's better than the alternative. usually the end of that is take your time, come back to me. that's the part you're not giving people that are on the fence. people that aren't as willing to make a compromise as you are. you hit them twice. this isn't what you want and you have to decide right now. why? >> well, okay, chris, what do we need an extra week? >> i don't know. >> they juan open debates. they want to bring this out on to the floor again. they want to be heard. you know what they're asking for. >> what they don't want is they don't want to vote on the bill and that's what several senators

do not want that are leading the big cheerleaders here in the house. the bottom line is this is the first vote. we will then have a senate series of votes and then lit go to conference and then we will have a final package and this is really, i don't think by enough people, this is the first vote process and the senate will then have their chance and then we can go to conference and make a final determination. this is not the last vote. >> i don't want to lose control of the senate. how likely is it that the vote gets postponed because the votes aren't there. >> i don't think it will happen at all. >> you think thursday is definitely the day. >> thursday is definitely the day. we're going to be on today at 10:00. we're going to do our work and move forward and do those things that are necessary. it will be on the floor tomorrow. >> the idea of the president closing the deal, how much of a difference do you think he's making with this recent hit to

his credibility? how much has that effected his influence with the party members? >> i don't think that has influenced anybody. i think actually when the president speaks about the voter, they spoke very clearly all across the country, many times a voter we have not seen before. i think the president has great clout behind that idea and all the members should take heed of that. >> you are literally a boy scout and you come at a lot of things. you have your own ideas. some agree, some don't but there's an integrity principle. one he has gotten caught several different times saying things that aren't true and he is not known as a policy so he is trying to sell a bill he probably doesn't understand that well to a group of people that have a lot of reasons. >> it is a tough combo. that's why we are where we are

today it could be this bill runs into problems as we get on the floor. i think that people actually will realize it's the first part of the process. not the end of it. it's absolutely correct. but members also having problems with people back home and that's the problem. it's the people back home being very vocal in a lot of these conservative groups that do not understand the bill because it has not been sold properly to them. that's the real problem. not the president. not whether they do or don't want to vote, the people back home are not sold on what we're doing yet and that's partially my fault also. i tried to take the time to explain to the american people why we're doing this but we recognize it's back home voter. not washington d.c. voter. >> you have certain people saying this isn't going far enough. and you have other people saying

i'm going to lose my coverage under this. you better not take my coverage away. >> nobody is going to lose their coverage and be able to keep your same doctor or same plan. the addition to this is the uncertainty with the medicaid portion. because of that uncertainty we have not carefully explained the difference between a tax credit. which should be enough to cover a person to have a regular health care plan as opposed to a medicaid plan where many times you can't find a doctor. it's a matter of giving confidence of the american people. i will confess. at the very top there's a lack of understanding of how to sell this bill. >> well, look, you don't have the benefit either and that takes us back to the president. if you're going to take money out of a system it's hard to justify how you get more out of it and that's something that has

to be argued and argued at the top. that was a big selling point to a lot of people in your party. this guy knows the deal and now you have the wall journal come out this morning and not a publication predisposed to attacking republicans and they say he clings to his assertion about wiretapping like a drunk to an empty gin bottle and if trump doesn't show more respect to the truth most americans conclude he is a fake president. i don't think either of us have ever seen anything like that out of the wall street journal. how badly damaged is the credibility? >> it does hurt and hurts a lot not only for my party but for people to have a sobering look at what others are saying but what lies before us right now is a huge question about whether we would keep a piece of legislation that diminishes america's economic ability and

value in the world. and the reason why the stock market roared back is because of confidence that we can make changes that are fair. and that is what i sell about this bill chris. it is still a fair opportunity for the 30 million americans that never had anything on their health care. they're the people that get up to work and they are the trump voter and this is a great benefit and show up at the hospital today they get the most expensive care and we're really trying to be what's called market based. i can look at the camera and tell you that we're going to do better notwithstanding where the president is with the wall street journal the american people juan and need a better health care bill now and i'm going to help that. >> pete sessions we'll see what happen ifs there is the vote on

thursday. appreciate your perspective on new day as always. >> yes, sir. >> repeating his criticism of president trump's attacks on federal judges calling them demoralizing. day three of his confirmation hearing gets underway soon he's live at the white house with more. >> as confirmation hearings go this one could be considered relatively uneventful except for one very important thing. that is all about the man that nominated the judge. president trump and his continuing feud with the judiciary. >> there's no such thing as a republican judge or democratic judge. >> supreme court nominee judge neil gorsuch promising senators he's not a political puppet.

>> i can assure you i have nobody's rubber stamp. >> assisting he will hold anyone accountable. even president trump. >> nobody is above the law in this country. that includes the president of the united states. >> criticizing the president's series of attacks on federal judges. >> when anyone criticizes the honesty or integrity motives of a federal judge i find that disheartening. i find that demoralizing because i know the truth. anyone including the president of the united states. anyone is anyone. >> president trump seemingly responding to the nominee's statement at a republican fund-raiser last night. >> somebody said i should not criticize judges okay i'll criticize judges. to keep criminals and terrorists out of our country. >> stating he has not revealed to president trump how he would rule on some of his most controversial actions like his

travel ban. >> the republican congressman recently said the best thing the president could do for his muslim ban is to make sure that he has gorsuch on the supreme court before the appeals get to that point. >> a lot of people say a lot of silly things. my grandfather -- >> well, those weren't silly. he wants you on the court so that he can uphold a muslim ban. >> senator he has no idea how i'd rule in that case. >> what about the president's campaign promise to appoint anti-abortion justices that would overturn roe v. wade. >> had he ever asked you to overturn roe v. wade. >> no senator. i would have walked out the door. >> they say favor big business. >> if you juan cases where i

ruled for the little guy as well as the big guy there's plenty of them. al franken questioning him for ruling in favor of a trucking company instead of a driver they fired for abandoning his cargo. >> it's absurd to say this company is in it's rights to fire him because he made the choice of possibly dying from freezing to death or causing other people to die by driving an unsafe vehicle. that's absurd. >> as you can see there members of the judiciary committee taking full advantage of the opportunity to try to get judge gorsuch on the record on some of the hot button legal issue of the day with limited success. questioning went on for ten hours and more is expected today. >> so the health care fight big

deal. the president wants a big win. pushing the voechlt it's supposed to come to a head on thursday. what if they don't get it passed? now how are the democrats playing? is sitting and watching not enough? next.

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>> at least 26 republicans so far tell cnn that they are voting for at least leaning against that and that's supposed to happen tomorrow so despite that reality republicans say they are planning to go through with a vote. what are democrats doing about it? joining us is the democratic congressman. >> i want you to know despite the president's visit i'm still a no. >> it's not a surprise so let's talk about this. president trump has 24 hours to basically sway 26 republican ifs this vote does indeed happen tomorrow. what do you think is going to happen? >> i'm hearing the vote is going to happen no matter what. speaker ryan is intending to put the bill on the floor.

and our mission is to let the public know what this will do. that awareness and pressure of coming to the public. >> they want to work with republicans to fix obamacare and some of your ideas are non-starters for republicans. for instance you want to strengthen the individual mandate, you want to make sure that young healthy people buy in in order to make the money work but republicans don't want any mandate so how is that a compromise. >> we always say we have to find a way to do this. what is interesting is despite the fact that initially they call this sort of bill socialism they're now keeping so many of those provisions allowing you to keep your kids on your insurance

until they're 26, right? eliminating caps and pre-existing conditions. these all cost money. it's still our contention. the best way to do this is to modify the subsidies and increase tax incentives to allow people to stay on the programs and provide options for people that juan to stay on the exchanges. the alternative is what the republican option is which is a nonstarter for us and taking 24 million people off of care. >> how is that common ground. where do you find common ground given the two positions? >> well, for the last 7 years and today was the anniversary of the bill being signed into law. all the republicans have done is try to undermine the bill. they try to defund it or repeal it 66 times so where for 7 years has been the effort to try to accommodate any sort of democratic input on the measures

to strengthen this. medicare part d when passed by president bush was tweaked lee time with bipartisan cooperation. there hasn't been a single ov overture to look at any compromise. we don't know exactly right now what that would be. we're telling them what our options would be but we're not hearing this extreme measure. >> congressman i want to switch gears because i know that you're part of the select committee of intel where director comey testified this week about the possible connections between the trump campaign and russia. there is new reporting this morning. this ukrainian lawmaker produced what he says are new financial documents that he says are evidence that paul manafort was laundering money he got through some offshore account to try to

cover up the ties between himself and putin or russia. where does the investigation stand from the fbi looking into all of this. >> i think the fbi had to complete their investigation. so does the house and senate intel committees. just further evidence that this investigation needs full cooperation from the white house. from my republican colleagues. it's going to need a tremendous amount of resources to complete. as you can see with just this, no, this is an investigation that can take place on several con nts. it was in ukraine in 2014 and met this gentleman with a congressional delegation. this is his former chief of staff. he knows a tremendous amount about u.s. involvement with ukraine and vice versa. these are the kind of people

that we explain. >> following cooperation from the white house and your republican colleague. >> frankly i expect nothing but obstruction from the white house or distraction from the white house as we witness with the president's statement about wiretapping trump tower. and my republican colleagues and the house and senate is possible and they need to recognize and take resources and subpoena power and understanding that this is going to take cooperation and involvement across the seas so the wiretapping accusation you believe buzz nothing but a distraction from what? >> from a bad news cycle and investigations about russian involvement in our democratic process and if i could speculate the president was reading something on breitbart and tweeted about it and now we have this distraction. this insult on our allies and

the sbel yens community. >> congressman, thank you very much for being on new day. >> good morning, thank you. >> chris. >> all right new documents leading to broing scrutiny of former campaign chairman paul manafort. now they want him to testify about his alleged ties to russia. the details next. it's never been easier. except when it comes to your retirement plan. but at fidelity, we're making retirement planning clearer. and it all starts with getting your fidelity retirement score. in 60 seconds, you'll know where you stand. and together, we'll help you make decisions for your plan... to keep you on track. ♪ time to think of your future it's your retirement. know where you stand.

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presiden trump's one time comes on a big day. >> it does. it comes on the heels of james comey confirming that investigation into possible collusion between the trump campaign and the kremlin. let's get more from tom foreman. >> hey chris, hey allison, we don't know the details of what the fbi is considering in their investigation of the so-called russian connection but with we do know a bit about whom they are looking at. >> how many people have to say there's nothing there before you realize there's nothing there. >> the administration is moving

fast to put distance between president trump and the man this is a key interest in the russian hacking investigation. paul manafort. >> there's been discussion of paul manafort that played a limited role for a limited amount of time. limited donald trump's campaign chairman from may to mid august last year. overseeing the staff and the budge and dismissing early claims by democrats that russian hackers targeted their party computers to tilt the election trump's way. >> they're getting desperate early in the game but now a law maker in ukraine discovered them as they advised the former ukrainian president. the lawmaker says the paper looks like an invoice for $750,000 in computer parts. allegedly signed with manafort's name. he does not recognize the document and it's not his signature and cnn cannot verify

the authenticity of the invoice. if it is legitimate it could dove tail with the black ledger. a longer list revealed last fall which proports to show 12.7 million in payments along side manafort's name. believes all the money could be for undisclosed services paid for through the ukrainian president's political party. >> it's more like for his activity as well. for some technical issues of his that's so impressive. >> why would such payments matter to the u.s. investigation of the russian hacking scandal because the former ukrainian president manafort's client was

a criminal ally even fleeing from russia. there was a corrupt river of money as part of a scheme to elect donald trump and get a more pro-russian president in the white house. >> why was it so far fetched to say the motive was to help you. >> i don't know what you're talking about. it was crazy. >> the trump camp pushed the republican party in it's platform to ease up on criticism of russia for invading ukraine. manafort pushed back. >> i don't know who everybody else but i guarentee you -- >> nobody from the trump campaign wanted that change in the platform. >> no one. sere sow. >> amid the latest developments manafort's most recent statement said in part i had no role or involvement in the sign area tacks on the dnc. i have never spoken with any russian government officials or anyone that claimed to have been

involved. the suggestion that i ever worked to undermine the interest of the united states is false. and yet investigators keep looking at this chain of connections from president trump to his bun time campaign manager manafort to the former president of ukraine to moscow and wondering if they'll find along this way anything truly nepharious or what the white house said all along. only a witch hunt. >> yes. it will be very interesting to get to the bottom of all of that. so paul manafort as well as the administration trouble with sometimes telling the truth, it adds to the credibility issues for the trump white house and in particular it may keep the president from pushing the legislative agenda. we'll talk to an adviser to the president about how he's navigating all of that, next. two become one.

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egg. >> super excited about candidate trump. i hear what you're saying about the journal because they're conservative and republican but the president represents a new brand of republican. also representing a different class of people than elected him to the office. more of a corporate sponsor and less than a populous sponsor. he is the president. these guys should settle down a little bit. go ahead. >> let's talk about where it's coming from. fear criticism of what they say but this isn't about ideology. we think this policy is wrong. this is coming at him from 100 different sources mainly because it's true and they're proven false at best and intentionally false too often. >> i hear what you're saying and sometimes that may be true and

the president doesn't have perfect information but what i see about him working with him closely for nine or ten months and knowing him for 20 years he has great instincts, chris. you guys want to pretend there isn't and that's okay but there was a warrant. they got accepted. it was in october possibly. he's also said the same thing that i'm saying. i was on the show a couple of weeks ago and we had the comments about the j.c.c. it was then reflected there were people that worked for the bernie sanders campaign making calls. let's let some time pass. i trust the president. the american people that supported and trust the president and as he starts to role out this agenda his popularity is going to rise. >> it matters because people

trust him. because he has a base. because they put hope in him. we grew up with a lot of the people that voted for trump. the wiretapping thing is troubling because of exactly what you say. sometimes he has imperfect information. not on this one. he could have picked up the phone as president of the united states and proven it. he wanted a distraction. >> but something could have happened at trump tower. we still don't have all the information. i think tucker interviewed next week and said let's have more time and let the information come out. >> it belabors everything else they should be looking at. what else could be true at this point? you have the director of the fbi and nsa say there's nothing there. >> he's got to get the health care pass. he's working on the tax legislation. he's rolling back these regulations that we all need to get rolled back so that we get

the economy growing again. so let's give him a little bit of time. >> the next part of that statement should be so i don't know why he keeps creating these bogus scenarios that distract from his own agenda. >> you're calling them bogus. >> the wiretapping thing is bogus. and he one talking about flynn. we both know he one talking about flynn. >> you guys said you're making allegations that may not be true. i wasn't making allegations i'm at an open question about what's going on with these jewish community centers and we discovered that there was a person. let me explain to you why it's not different. he's 21 or 22 months as a poll situatio tigs. he used several devices to deliver information to his base. he said a few weeks ago he would not have been president in his opinion had he not had those devices. his instincts have been very

good. sometimes he gets stuff wrong. you have gotten some stuff wrong and i have certainly gotten some stuff wrong. as it relates to this situation he said let's let more time pass. >> doesn't hold up to scrutiny. if i ever got anything wrong anywhere close to what he gets wrong on a regular basis i would be picking up garbage somewhere. >> sounds like you didn't vote for him and that's fine. >> you don't know who i voted for. don't make it personal. >> sounds like you didn't vote for him. >> make your point. >> i actually happened to vote for him and i support the guy but let me say this to you, let's let some time pass. he's going to get the health care thing passed. thursday i predicted there will be a vote. he'll get it passed. the republicans have to come together around the president. they may not like everything about the health care bill but they need to send a message to the markets and the american people and put them in office and come together even if there's some philosophical differences and that will be

very positive for tax reform and the further legs of the president's agenda. >> credibility matters. >> i think the president is very credible. i put a lot of trust in him. i think the twitter stuff is probably not for you or for me. he's coming up over top of the mainstream media and the people that live in the coastal cities to deliver information to the people that voted for him. >> but when it's misinformation. >> you're missing one piece of the story which we have to tell the american people, one of these warrants wasn't accepted okay so i don't know if phone numbers were listened to or e-mails were looked at. >> no war ran was accepted or issued on any trump personnel. none. >> there was a warrant. i don't have it in front of me. there's one in october that was accepted. >> but it wasn't on trump personnel or trump tower.

now you guys are saying wait a minute flynn got picked up on this. palestinian got picked up on surveillance. he wasn't wiretapped. it was the russian ambassador that got swept on. the facts. >> it's more time. >> five minutes use an example when i was on the show a couple of weeks ago. it is but more facts came out. >> you're just picking it up. >> one level of indication there. let a little time pass. -going to be more relevant information. there's no reason to do that. it's about respecting the truth. how can you be right.

you know what the american people really want. they want the truth and they also want progress. we have a slow going economy and uncertainty about the health care legislation and uncertainty about jobs. talk about the people you and i grew up with out on long island. middle class wages are down 9.4%. >> i don't know how they're getting it with this kind of stuff. >> he has the capability and the skill set and team around him to make it better. >> if he gets out of his own way. let me is ask you about something else. i don't know where his head was when he tried to explain away who paul manafort is. we both know that man was brought in to save that campaign and you could argue he did just that through the convention. he was the chairman and real. >> let me defend sean for a second. whaends up happening is you're out there as a fun person for the president. you're his verbal secret service

agent at the end of the day and what is happening there is sean probably doesn't know what the investigation is going to lead to and he wants to protect the president and when he used the word limited he was trying to say i'm trying to shield the president from whatever could have happened. now i believe nothing happened. that is just my opinion. i have a lot of respect for him. i worked very closely with him. i don't think we can describe paul's role as limited. >> the ap reports this morning, what do you make, spicer was wrong. what do you make about his contract for about $10 million or so. >> okay. so i know him personally and i take paul at his word that he was working on business interests and it wasn't tied to the russian government. now here's what happens in the media and politics. we like throwing water baloons

and eggs and tomatoes at each other and raising these things. i ran into the sovereign wealth fund head and said hello to him. some reporter reported that and now he liz belg warren asked for an investigation to me. i have no russian money in the funds. last time i was in russia was on a field trip from the london school of economics in march of 1985. so we do a lot of ridiculous things. >> that's you. >> i got that but i don't think it was related to russian politics or the kremlin. it was related to business and i take paul at his word on that. i like paul and you like paul and i think he's a descent guy with high integrity so let's see what happens here. i love working for him on the campaign. i was in constant contact with him. very smart guy with great judgment. the president respects him and

shape but i can take you on the pushup counting. >> i keep calling it the a.p. reporting but it's cnn's reporting and paul manafort calls that report "a smear campaign." in a statement he said "i did work with the russian representing him on business and personal matters where he had investments. my work for him did not involve representing russian political interests." that could wind up being a very meaningful distinction. >> should we do the pushup contest right now? >> he doesn't want to have a

contest with me. >> he sounded like he wanted to have it. >> that was more spin. >> i got the adrenaline pumping. >> sadly, we don't have time. i'm sorry, my producer is telling me we don't have time. coming up, we get more perspective on what president trump is thinking when he makes wild allegations. we have two authors who know trump better than any other reporters. they explain why they believe the president relies on false information. e cutting-torque of gas. and the self-propelled model makes mowing effortless. the ego power+ mower. exclusively at the home depot and ego authorized dealers. kevin, meet yourkeviner. kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin

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so this morning there's a blistering "wall street journal" editorial that questions the president's credibility. it says, in part "if president trump announced that north korea launched a missile that landed within 100 miles of hawaii, would most americans believe him? would the rest of the world? we're not sure, which speaks to the damage mr. trump is doing with his presidency with his seemingly endless stream of exaggeration, evidence free amizations, denials and other falsehoods." joining us now we have timothy o'brien, the executive editor of bloomberg view and the author of "trump nation, the art of being the donald." and michael d'antonio, the author of "the truth about trump." gentlemen, great to see you. so let me start with you, tim.

why in the face of facts that refute his falsehoods -- i mean, demonstrably true things, there's videotape of things, the there's photographic evidence. why does president trump stick like glue to his falsehood? >> because he has a long track record of being successful at doing this, maybe going back 45 years. he's very good at creating his own reality and living along his own truths, whether or not they correspond with the facts, with photographs, with video, whatever. he doesn't care. what he cares about is playing to his base and playing to himself. >> and michael that's been successful for him. until he was president and there were all of these people buzzing around all sorts of journalists saying we have the evidence, we have the facts, it's worked for him. >> well, to a great degree a lot of what he said? the past didn't matter. if he was selling an illusion, and to some degree it was an

illusory of donald trump, he was always bigger, richer, more beautiful than he really was, it was okay because he was just selling steaks or water. but now he's supposed to lead the most powerful nation in the history of the world and there's consequences to what he says and this is a new kind of experience for him. >> some people call these lies, what he's saying, but some people -- and i want to know how you both feel about this -- say no this is a manifestation of the paranoia that he -- an insecurity that he's feeling. he watches something on fox news, say, he believes it, he then repeats it and sticks to it because it aligns with his world view. how do you see it? >> i don't know that that's a meaningful difference. he has lied repeatedly, sometimes almost pathologically, i think the other bit of people around him have fallen into the same trap, whether it's sean spicer or kellyanne conway. >> but a lie means you're doing it intentionally, you know the

truth and you are intentionally saying a falsehood. some people suggest that because of his insecurity or paranoia he believes what he's saying. >> well, the only person that is going to know at the end of the day. >> that's right. but what's your take on it. >> i think you're saying his insides are now on the outside. that his own paranoia and anxiety and self-doubt are being projected on to the world and this is the problem with people who believe conspiracy theories, don't feel rooted in the world, rooted in reality and he does have a problem with that ch. but to tim's point for the nation at some point we have to say well, the president's psychological condition matters as a manner of health but it also matters when it comes to global security. >> whether he can exercise good judgment. >> yeah. >> there's also a theory of him that he sees things in a very black-and-white world view.

you're either on team trump or you're not. it's quite simple, so if you see things in that view than anyone not on team trump -- and by definition journalists can't be on team trump -- then you're against him. >> because the goal for team trump is making sure donald trump gets attention, that donald trump is seen as flawless, and that donald trump is seen as peerless. that's how he sees himself, that's how he wants people around them to see him is and if the media or his owned a visors aren't in lock step with that approach, they get ostracized. >> there was an interesting interview broadcast on cnn last night from earlier in the campaign where don lemon was talking to paul manafort and basically said are you an adviser, can you influence his behavior? and manafort said "well, he takes it in but then he processes it." well, what he does is takes in the then pushes it out. if information conflicts with his sense of self, he's not

going to adopt that information or adapt his behavior. >> so what does that mean when working with, say, congress that doesn't play by those rules. what's going to happen? >> i think in a normal world he would have people acting as a bridge to the congress. i think at the end of the day the only people he really trusts in the white house right now are ivanka and jared. i think absent those two people who are both family members he's always going to be suspect of other people which means he's not going to be able to build teams and coalitions. you need to do those things to run big bureaucracies regardless of what you do ideologically. >> do you think that's why ivanka is was at a meeting. >> and shortly after the election day they've denied they wanted to create an office for her there. >> what does that mean for steve