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going to adopt that information or adapt his behavior. >> so what does that mean when working with, say, congress that doesn't play by those rules. what's going to happen? >> i think in a normal world he would have people acting as a bridge to the congress. i think at the end of the day the only people he really trusts in the white house right now are ivanka and jared. i think absent those two people who are both family members he's always going to be suspect of other people which means he's not going to be able to build teams and coalitions. you need to do those things to run big bureaucracies regardless of what you do ideologically. >> do you think that's why ivanka is was at a meeting. >> and shortly after the election day they've denied they wanted to create an office for her there. >> what does that mean for steve bannon and those people that they're not long for this
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administration? >> possibly, possibly. >> tim, michael, thank you very much for being here. we're following a lot of news this morning so let's get right to it. >> they want a tremendous health care plan, that's what we have. >> thursday will be the day, repeal and replace. >> i'm still a no vote. >> the bill is still bad. >> in politics, if you get 85% of what you want, that's pretty darn good. >> nobody is above the law, that includes the president of the united states. >> i'm asking you a question, please answer questions. >> if judge gorsuch can't achieve 60 votes in the senate, could any judge? >> i have serious questions about mr. manafort, his relations. >> there's nothing there. >> the question of credibility hangs over the white house. >> it was off by one hundredth of a percent i end up getting pinocchios, right? good morning, welcome to your new day, it's wednesday,
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march 22, 8:00 in the east. up next, a critical test donald trump issuing a stern warning to his party, reveal obamacare or you could get fired. let's look at the vote count right now. cnn's latest whip count has 21 republicans voting no, another five leaning know and alisyn, they liked the president but doesn't believe he's changed his mind. and there is a blistering "wall street journal" out this morning that assails president trump's credibility and says most americans may ultimately conclude mr. trump is a fake president if he doesn't change his tune. in day 62 of the trump presidency let's begin our
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coverage with suzanne malveaux live on capitol hill. good morning, suzanne. >> good morning, alisyn. the republican bill will go before the house rules committee, its job is to adopt the amendments before it goes to the full house tomorrow. in the same hour, we'll see former vice president joe biden joining congressman nancy pelosi and other democrats to celebrate what they are saying is the seventh anniversary of the signing of obamacare. all of this while the president continues to push for this legislation as quickly as possibl possible. >> it really is a crucial vote for the republican party and for the people of our country. >> in the most important political test of his presidency yet, president trump in full sell mode, twisting the arms of skeptical republican house members to vote yes on the bill to repeal and replace obamacare. >> the american people gave us clear instructions. it's time to get busy, get to work, and to get the job done.
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>> the president testing out his own brand of deal making, in a closed-door meeting on capitol hill. gop members giving trump a standing ovation. party loyalists gushing. >> the president just came here and knocked the ball out of the park. >> reporter: alternately using humor, threats and public shaming to sell the american health care act to his own party. the president warning members could lose their seats next year if the bill doesn't pass. >> there's going to be a price to be paid but it will be with their own voters. >> reporter: president trump calling out the chairman of the conservative house freedom caucus, mark meadows, for publicly denouncing the bill. the president cautioning meadows "i'm coming after you." but meadows and others are still a hard no. >> there still are not enough votes to pass this particular bill. >> the president did a great job and appreciate the president but the bill is still bad. >> reporter: even after tweaks were made to the bill to appeal to more conservative and moderate republicans.
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>> what i don't get is the impetus that this must be done right now on thursday, some sort of do or die date. it's not. >> reporter: the house needs 216 in order to pass and lose no more than 21 republican vote. by cnn's count there are 19 republican noes, seven who are still on the fence. now, the senate republican leadership, including senator john cornyn who i spoke with yesterday, are trying to project confidence, saying they believe this will pass the house, that is far from certain. they want to make sure they get their hands on the bill next week. alisyn. >> suzanne, thank you for that. let's discuss it with republican congressman warren davidson of ohio. he is a member of the house freedom caucus. how will he vote? let's ask him. good morning, congressman. >> hi, alisyn, how are you today? >> i'm well. has president trump convinced you to get on board? >> you know, i'm a fan of president trump, i campaigned for him in ohio. he's well liked in our district but this plan is not well liked in ohio. >> so you're a no vote? >> correct.
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>> has the president contacted you? >> he's not contacted me personally. i was present when he spoke to the conference in the morning and i was present when he spoke at dinner last night. >> so let's talk about that we've heard he was quite persuasive and that two people did change their votes. what did he say to you all? >> he talked about the importance of doing what we said, repeal and replace obamacare. and i think our whole conference is united in that's what we need to do. the question is, does this bill do that? and the fact that phase two leans so heavily upon secretary of health and human services shows we haven't repealed in the phase one and everything depends on a central planner that we like and the reality is if we don't take action we'll be stuck with the same top down one size fits all government that republicans always have campaigned against.
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>> what could the president say to get you on board? >> this is a framework driven in part by the senate rules and this has pushed this to be a little different than what republicans really want. and so the cautionary thing is we end up doing something that gets through the parliamentary rules of government, i.e. the status quo, instead of doing the change that we all talked about. and so i think one of the important things is that when you talk about one size fits all government, we've done a lot of things to deal with who pays, how much do they pay, what portion of the cost is shared? we haven't done enough to drive down cost for consumers. that's the big thing, the pocketbook issues that affect families, the cost of health care is what's hurting people. >> it sounds like the president can't say anything today to get you on board. >> no, he's been in dialogue with republicans, with conservatives and this deal has continued to become a better deal. soly say house leadership and the president have worked with members of congress, with
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members of the house to continue to make this a bitter deal not just for the people in congress but because they're representing their districts, a better deal for the american people and i'm optimistic we can do that. >> so you think there might be changes or modifications in this next 24 hours that would allow you to vote yes tomorrow? >> i'm optimistic. i think everybody wants to be yes on this when votes are called. >> the president is as we've heard using the carrot and the stick, he's being persuasive but he's using the stick against some members, mark meadows in particular. it was a closed-door meeting so we don't have the videotape but here's the quote of what the president said to him yesterday "i'm going to come after you but i know i won't have to because i know you'll vote yes. honestly a loss is not acceptable, folks." how do you interpret that "i'm going to come after you." >> he said it with a smile, it
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was a bit of a joke but there's a serious message there and i think that what he also said is and what he said all along is he wants to have a good deal. he wants to do what he told people and he wants to the what it takes to get mark med dose and the rest of the freedom caucus and the rest of the body here to be united. frankly, i think we want ideally at least 237 outspoken salespeople for this bill and we're a little ways away from that. even people in are yes are tentative in their yeses and it doesn't do what everyone wants. some people say that's the art of a good compromise but a deal no one likes to me is -- why do a deal no one likes? >> but when the president says he's going to come after you, he means you, basically, he didn't use your name, but he means you, but are you worried about him campaigning against you? >> i'm pretty new to this. i'm like a red shirt freshman. i just got in in june.
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he's well liked, he's well liked in my district, this plan is not well liked and i think people can differentiate between the two. >> do you? let's talk about those rallies he has. if he goes to your district and he has one of his standing room only rallies, how voweler inable does that make you? >> i don't think he does. i would love to host him in our district. we would love president trump to come in there, he's very well liked. but people can say we're not expecting everyone that goes to congress to move lockstep and agree. we didn't campaign on a pretty catch phrase like repeal and replace. what i told people at home is we need to fix the health care problem. this bill won't do that entirely, it won't fully repile it and it won't fully replace it. if we go out and tell people we've repealed it and replaced it and thursday it's a done deal, they know better. and then when premiums go up we're left with the impression
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that that's what republicans wanted and that's far from it. and our leadership is saying there's a phase three but that gets frost the messaging so we continue to improve and the net affect is how do we get costs under control for families, how do we get more options so they're not stuck buying a one size fits all plan with the same essential benefits so they can choose a low cast plan and add features as they life-style changes or they age and move through the phases of life. >> i understand that that's your dream plan but your leadership is also saying this is it. this is the moment, this is the closest we're ever going to get so if it doesn't pass, then what? >> i think if it doesn't pass we'll look at what it takes to get a better plan. we are very committed to solving this problem. we campaigned on it in 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016. so the issue is this falls a bit
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short. this was a better plan. the rough draft of this plan was better than what obamacare is. so if we wanted to stop and say, yeah, but it's better than obamacare, we would not have made the improvements that have been made to it and i'm optimistic we can still make it better yet. >> so you think the house freedom caucus has enough fire power to stop this, say no to the vote tomorrow, make it not happen and then make everybody happy. >> if we had 216 votes, i don't think the president would have been in the capital yenchtsd the -- yesterday. >> thank you congressman, thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> it's like everyday matters so much on such a large scale. look at today. another marathon day ahead for supreme court nominee neil gorsuch. he did ten hours in the chair yesterday. we'll talk to one of the democratic senators who have been questioning gorsuch. democratic whip dick durbin is next. is he impressed? will the democrats vote for this nominee?
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so president trump's supreme court nominee neil gorsuch largely unscathed, you could say, after more than ten hours of questioning before the senate judiciary committee. gorsuch reiterating he could rule against the president if the law required it saying no man is above the law, including the president. he also renewed his criticism of mr. trump's attacks on federal judges. joining us now is democratic whip senator dick durbin. senator, always a pleasure to
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have you on the show. thoughts on gorsuch at this point? >> well, of course, he's very gifted. he has a great background and service as judge, he's very smooth and very folksy and personable in the witness chair. we have tried -- this is my fifth time going through this experience. we've tried to ask him some basic questions to understand how he might rule in the future. he's fended off most of our questions and given us the basic reply "i'll take the facts and apply them to the law and come out with a good result." >> but that's what they all say. >> that's exactly right. >> so it's hard to hold him accountable to a standard that you have allowed with every judge, isn't it? >> it's very difficult. you can't force him at the point of a gun to answer a question. you try your best to understand what's behind his nomination and in this case there are interesting facts. we know and no one has disputed he was chosen by the federalist society and the heritage foundation to make the
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president's list that was announced during the campaign. we know he went through the gauntlet at the white house, steve bannon and reince priebus, the president himself renounced him their choice when it was all over. reince priebus, the president's chief of staff said not that he was a judge that would rule without fear of favor, he said, no, he's a judge who has the vision of donald trump. whatever that might be. then they launched this $10 million plus dark money effort nationwide to promote his nomination. so there's something in his background, something he has said or done that convinces the right wing of american politics that he's worth the investment. >> or they just believe there's a consistency in his jurisprudence that shows he respects the constitution as is, which for a lot of purists like the heritage foundation and others is enough. i think it's very instructive to your point that this wasn't necessarily something trump came up with, it was offered up to him as gorsuch.
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republican lindsey graham seemed to do a bit of your labor on the democratic side drilling down on roe v. wade let's play it. >> in that interview, did he ask you to interview roe v. wade? >> no, senator. >> what would you have done if he had asked? >> senator, i would have walked out the door. that's not what judges do. >> walk out the door, don't come around now, you're not welcome anymore. we all know the song. but did that response work for you from judge gorsuch that roe v. wade litmus test, he's not having it. >> come on, chris. graham is a gifted lawyer himself and he asked the question just right so that at the end of the day we have no idea where judge gorsuch is on roe v. wade on women's health care and critical issues and it was asked in a way -- you know, he would sknt you n't ask you t it, of course.
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that's no blunt instrument a president will use. but throughout the campaign donald trump said over and over again "i'm going to appoint a judge on the supreme court who's going to reverse roe v. wade." >> it raises an interesting question for democrats, we'll see if it gets asked today. because of this presumption and it's easy for you to make manifest that the reality that the judge choice for trump was going to have to have a certain disposition on roe v. wade at least optically, was it incumbent upon judge gorsuch to offer up to the president his feelings about roe v. wade because of this assumption about his disposition? it will be interesting to see what he says. at the end of the day are you going to vote for him or are you going to test the 60-vote measure and see what happens? >> i can tell you this, today is another day of questioning and i think there will be some important issues will be raised but at the end of the day we each have to make a decision as to whether this man should have a lifetime appointment to the supreme court. it's not an easy call because it's the deciding vote in a 4-4 court. i'll withhold my final judgment until the hearings are over.
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>> what's your sense about whether or not you get the -- what do you need, eight democrats to come on? >> at this point i don't believe there are eight democrats supporting judge gorsuch but chuck schumer told us all wait until the hearings are over, let's do this professionally, let's do it responsibly. i think that's the right approach. >> let me ask you something about how the democrats are or not playing to advantage. these questions about paul manafort, we've heard them from different lawmakers we've heard this report saying there is a contract for services with a certain russian, aluminum magnate, manafort says he did not do political work for russia. do you think you'll make a case against manafort or are you risking a misfire? >> this is an a.p. story, this is not an an announcement by the fbi or by federal agency. but what it boils down to is this -- this has been a terrible week for donald trump and his presiden presidency. when his fbi director repudiates his own tweet about a wiretap by
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president obama and says no, it's not fake news, we have a real investigation about the russian involvement in the trump campaign, that sort of thing is historic in its impact and now with manafort's connection, the dots are appearing, whether we can connect them depends on the real investigation. >> right, but you know the old line that sometimes a lot of dots means blurry vision. this is not cnn's reporting, it's a.p.'s. all we know about manafort is that he denies it. and it raises the question, yes, the fbi did you guys a favor politically by saying there is an active investigation about russian connections and the trump administration/campaign staff but at the end of the day you're going to have to put meat on the bones of those allegations, aren't you? >> i don't think james comey went there to do us favors. he went there to challenge what the president of the united states was saying, saying this is fake news. 14 intelligence agencies started this by announcing months ago the russians in fact were
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setting up to elect donald trump and defeat hillary clinton. you say what are the democrats going to do to fill in the details of the investigation? well, the intelligence communities are working with this but i think the federal bureau of investigation is a place to turn and we need a special prosecutor on the criminal side of this as well as an independent bipartisan commission to look at the issue. >> why do you need a special prosecutor if there is no underlying crime you can point to? that's why you'd have a special prosecutor -- >> don't you understand -- >> go ahead. >> i can tell you that. if you're going to have a thoughtful investigation that gets to the bottom of it, it's usually guided by a prosecutorial office that is watching. >> and that you have in the fbi and the doj. >> we certainly have it in the fbi but who is the boss of the fbi? the attorney general. now we have a recusal by jeff sessions and who is in charge? dana bente who is the acting attorney general at this point?
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is it going to be rosenstein who is being nominated or someone independent of both of them, independent of the administration who will guide this if there is criminal development. >> last point. what do you make of the suggestion that if we are allowed more time there may well be information that comes out that justifies the president's suggestion about what the obama administration did to him and his people. >> i have to tell you this is a fantastic tweet that's gotten more violence than it's deserved. there is no evidence of what the president said being true and to waste our time is a diversion from the rheealitreality. the president was wrong, should never have said it and has challenged his own credibility. the next question is what is the serious investigation about? it's about the russian involvement which intelligence
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agencies back up. >> senator durbin, appreciate the perspective. >> chris, you worked a gloria gaynor reference into a supreme court confirmation hearing. >> yes. i did. it's only wednesday, too. >> tomorrow might they have night fever. >> sugar hill gang, i could go anywhere. >> i know you can. that was impressive. one day to go until a vote on health care, can president trump get the gop plan over the line or do his distractions get in the way? we'll discuss that next. don't fret, my friend. i masterpassed it! you can use it online and on your phone i masterpassed it. you got the tickets? onward! playing the hero: priceless masterpass, the secure way to pay from your bank don't just buy it. masterpass it.
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>> it really is a crucial vote for the republican party and for the people of our country, to finally repeal and replace the disaster known as obamacare. that's what it is, a disaster. >> the house vote on the gop health care vote is only two days away. the whip count shows 21 others voting no. the gop can only afford to lose 21 votes. can president trump turn it around? let's discuss with senior
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spokesperson for hillary for america karen finney and cnn political commentator, talk radio host and political columnist for "oc register" john phillips. good to see you both. let's talk about what happened in the past weeks. sometimes it's important to check in because these weeks are so filled with news. here's the past challenges for president trump over the past week director comey confirms the fbi is investigating trump/russia ties. he says there's no evidence of mr. trump's wiretapping plan. the support for the gop health care as we know at this hour is floundering. the travel ban has been challenged in federal courts and there's been criticism for his so-called skinny budget. do you think those first two to what comey testified to are getting in the way of the others? meaning his distractions getting in the way of his legislation. >> first i have to hide my disappointment that "saturday night fever" cuomo isn't wearing
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a lime green leisure suit. >> you don't know what i have on underneath. >> too much information. >> there's one thing i learned about trump voters in these first days of his administration. that is they do not care about any of the subjects driving the democrats crazy. they don't care about the russian allegations. they don't care about the taxes. they care about the health care bill and they have a lot of the same concerns rand paul has. they want what trump was campaigning on, they want a lot of promises fulfilled. one of the things he said he was going to do was bring back free market principles to health care. if you're turning things back over to the state health commissioners, those aren't free market principles. i feel more comfortable with my health care in the hands of conrad murray than the california health insurance commissioner. we heard about selling it across state lines, that's not in this bill. we heard about tort reform, that's not the bill.
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he said he'll put pressure on republicans that don't vote for it, why not force the democrats to filibuster it and put the pressure on heidi heitkamp? put the pressure on joe manchin? put the pressure on the democrats not the republicans. we're doing this thing backwards. >> but it all threads together doesn't it, karen? the reason they're not doing what john astutely points out is because they want a big win. but there's a problem, their credibility and the credibility to sell this and stay focused have been marginalized usually by the president himself. how big an obstacle? >> that is a huge obstacle and you heard republicans echo that sentiment time and time again. here's part of the problem. as we're seeing president trump's numbers start to -- continue to decline, we're also seeing people being concerned about the fact that when we're spending time talking about or his administration is trying to defend a tweet from two weeks
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ago that as it unfolds turns out to be patently untrue, that's time that the republican caucus is not spending either fixing the bill and doing their own politics to get it the way they need it. remember, most of the problems at this point are among the republicans, certainly democrats have real issues with the legislation but it's the republicans' infighting that's halting this process and they do need a big win and it's unlikely we'll see that big win and one of the big concerns you have here from republican house members in particular, you have the president out there saying he's going to come after them if they don't vote for this. if i'm a house member and i know i won my district in a solid margin and i know the people in my district are concerned about some of the things or will be concerned about some of the things in the legislation, why am i going to go with president trump and paul ryan? i'm going to stick to my guns and do what i think is best for
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my district and you're seeing that sentiment expressed in many cases confidentially people are talking about this. that's what's standing in the way of the win, a real distraction from president trump and a bad piece of legislation that a lot of members know is not going to be good for their constituents. >> john. do you think given the baseless accusations we've heard, do you think the president lost any credibility? >> the people he needs to vote for this bill are republicans and he has a lot of credibility with republicans. if he can keep the republican side of the ail together, he can push this thing through the house and into the senate. you just showed the chart. it looks like he's on the mendoza line as to whether or not he'll get the required votes and i think there are still changes that need to be made to this thing. there are changes that will be made in the house, more changes
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in the senate if it gets out of the house because there are real legitimate concerns that his supporters, i'm not talking about people that hated him, i'm not talking about people that didn't vote for him, people that voted for him, people that supported him, people that continue to support him have serious reservations about this bill. >> but, john, part of it is credibility. let's be honest. people went to these meetings yesterday with him who were on the fence at best and they're like, yeah, he's entertaining, that was great, he's in his element. and they didn't change their minds. karen, and that's what's getting down to. this is about creating reality through what you're able to persuade your fellow lawmakers. do you think he can get it done by tomorrow? >> i don't think he can. ? you look at what's happening in the country and speaking about people who were trump supporters and if i'm a republican in congress this is what i'm looking at. the affordable care act, obamacare, is more popular than this president at this point and what is being proposed is creating a lot of anxiety
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among -- because it's badelj slags among republican members of congress so in terms of credibility -- we are 60 days in. look at that list you presented a few moments ago about the trouble this is president has had. in terms of credibility, if you're a republican house member, why are you going to do potential damage to yourself among your own voters with a bad piece of legislation that, by the way, you may not get forced to take a hard vote on something that doesn't get through the senate then you're in trouble. this credibility issue is very important and people are looking at the fact that the this president is losing credibility with his own supporters the longer his presidency seems to go on. >> i don't think so. >> 10 seconds. >> the issue is does he have the credibility to convince us he's going go back on the back end and get us tort reform and allow us to buy us insurance policies across state lines. that's the credibility issue. >> john, karen, thanks for the
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debate. >> thank you. look, there is no question the white house is dealing with a credibility crisis, period. is president trump's trouble with the truth the biggest problem for him in motivating his agenda? with all the controversy surrounding the actual plans, is his ability to be believed even more important? let's get the bottom line. ( ♪ ) it just feels like anything is possible here in upstate new york. ( ♪ ) at corning, i test smart glass that goes all over the world. but there's no place like home. there's always something different to do like skiing in the winter, jet skiing in the summer. we can do everything. new york state is filled with bright minds like samantha's. to find the companies and talent of tomorrow, search for our page,
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time for five things to know for your new day. president trump twisting arms, threatening jobs to win support for the gop health care plan. the full house is set to vote tomorrow night but republicans don't have the vote for a measure to pass. >> supreme court nominee neil gorsuch will face a third day of questioning. on tuesday gorsuch stressed his judicial independence calli ing president trump's attacks on federal judges disheartening and demoralizing. north korea testing another missile, this one failed just after launch. officials are trying to determine the type of missile and what went wrong. illinois lawmakers falling six votes short of passing a bill to make former president
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obama's birthday a state holiday. the sponsor says she may reintroduce the legislation if she finds more support. chicago will be home to the obama presidential library. sad news, legendary game show creator chuck barris has passed away. a publicist said he died of natural causes. chuck barris, 87 years old. >> what a life, what a career. you can go to cnn.com for the latest. how will the white house address the growing credibility problem and the president having some trouble with the truth, many people say. we get the bottom line on that next. but first, a by a area startup is turning moms nagging to sit up straight, don't slouch, into a a wearable device. i wasn't talking to you. cnn's rachel crane puts the new technology to the test in this teching care of your health. >> reporter: it's a small device
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cnn's senior political analyst mark preston. you heard the question. what's your take? >> his credibility is certainly in question right now if not in tatt tatters. if you lose the "wall street journal," as you know, you are in deep trouble and for our viewers that don't know how it fits together, the corporate puzzle, "wall street journal" is owned by rupert murdoch, a sister company of fox news, very conservative editorial page so in order for donald trump to get through his agenda, not only is he dealing with a supreme court nominee, looks like who is going to get appointed and move on to the court, he's trying to get health care through. but in addition to that if we go back to his campaign promises he's talking about tax reform, a billion dollar infrastructure bill, the middle eastern turmoil, he's not north korea which is unpredictable at best and then you have the credibility issue which could cause him not only problems with the american people but people within his own party. >> i don't know, mark.
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we just had conservative radio host john phillips on who said he doesn't have a problem with republicans, they don't like the health care bill but he went further and said his base, things like wiretapping russia, blah blah blah, they're concerned about their pocketbooks, as woe know. >> there's a little truth that and i would take his analysis but i don't agree. listen to what the "wall street journal" said, a conservative barometer of where he's going. "if he doesn't show more respect for the truth most americans macon collude he's a fake president." key word, most americans. he does have a high approval rating with republicans right now but he could still see an erosion of credibility amongst republicans who are not so enamored with him. >> what's the difference between where preston is and phillips is? it winds up being what your lens is. john used an interesting analogy
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of making his point, the mendoza line from baseball about being below 200. i think mendoza was 215 lifetime. if you fall below that, off real problem. >> but john saying he's not there yet. he has an 80% to 90% approval rate with republicans. that's not a credibility problem and, in fact, by the way, one more thing, in terms of getting the votes by tomorrow for the health care bill, people have counted donald trump out before and he's pulled off the votes in surprising ways. >> this is more ryan than trump in terms of whipping the votes. look at the people's reactions when they came out of the meetings. "it was entertaining, it was good." "feel good about the bill?" "no." was it him or was it what they put into the bill on ryan's side? >> but to even add the credibility issue to prevent 21 republicans from defecting, imagine if donald trump had more
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credibility with republicans, perhaps he would haven't to worry about it or it wouldn't be such a big issue. but, chris, you're right, this is a paul ryan issue. he's the one while gating aid from the white house, he's the one who needs to do it. there's a good chance tomorrow night we are going to see a vote that could last hours upon hours as they're trying to get republicans to stay. >> so you're saying this is ryan's responsibility. if this vote doesn't pass, donald trump won't be blamed, paul ryan will? >> i think paul ryan is going to be blamed certainly within washington, d.c. but i do think this is a major loss for donald trump, somebody who predicted it was going to get through and even went so far as to threaten republican members as you said earlier in the show that a if they don't vote for the bill he's going to come after him and i believe donald trump is going to go after republicans who don't vote for this bill. >> it's interesting. in the beginning there was all
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this talk about why isn't it called trumpcare and the suspicion was the president doesn't want his name on it in case it doesn't pass. you hear just as often, mark, i'm sure, from the middle lane and farther right lane, they aren't asking for it to be called trump either. >> it's radioactive, with the good you get donald trump, you get support but there's bad with donald trump as well and that goes to the whole issue of credibility but, chris, i have to say before we leave, if you were to get into a pushup contest with anthony scaramucci, who do you think would win? alisyn texted me and said she didn't think scaramucci would win. >> she doesn't text during the show. she doesn't do that. >> that's a telltale sign. >> it's not a contest. >> andy scaramucci wanted that to happen. >> he was desperate for anything to work. he was hoping more time may help. >> you missed the gloria gaynor reference, that was just as good. anyway, mark, thanks so much for the bottom line. >> thanks, guys.
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rome leads to an unforgettable moment courtesy of a three-year-old greeting the pope. the story, pope francis walks over, look at your screen, says hello to estellestella, the pop kissed her, she grabbed the zucchetto on his head. he says the moment had everyone laughing, including il papa. watch, i'll take that. >> that is fantastic! he has such a great demeanor. a case of chivalry or a phobia? a theory about why president trump grabbed the british prime minister's hand now getting the thumb's down. seep then's jeanne moos explains all this. >> reporter: whether it be not shaking german chancellor's hand or clutching the hand of britain's prime minister, president trump's hands seem to end up in headlines. for instance, the bbc headline "donald trump is scared of
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stairs?" scare case chortled one british paper when president trump took prime minister may's hand as they navigated a ramp at the white house. seems british government sources told the british press held her hand because he has a fear of ramps and stairs, a fear common to household pets, that's president bush nudging barney. the trump stairs skroek s jokes ramped up. >> escalators are great, they're really, really amazing and i've been told i look really great on them. >> ever since first hearing about the phobia rumor, i've become slightly obsessed with watching president trump watch his step. really watching his step coming down the stairs of the capitol, even while climbing a couple steps at the white house, coming off his plane eyes on his feet clutching the railing, he once noted how president obama used to jog down the stairs, hopping
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and bobbing all the way is so inelegant and unpresidential, do not fall. president obama caught himself while gerald ford and hillary didn't. when asked if the president has fear of stares, a white house spokesperson said "no offense, but this is afternoon absurd question." and now britain's prime minister told "vogue" "i think he was actually being a gentleman, we were about to walk down a ramp and he said it might be a bit awkward." the prime minister throws cold water on the bathmophobia theory. guess we can cancel that ban on steps. >> all new houses will have to be single story. no stairs. >> jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> they're really great. >> stair-o-phobia, i never heard of it but you can make a case for it. >> i bet it's not even called for it. i think it's the least of his concerns. >> really? you agree with the white house saying this is an absurd question? >> no, i think no question is
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absurd but with everything else he's facing a little caution is a good thing. >> interesting. go out on a limb with that one. the hand pat was also interesting. >> sometime for cnn newsroom. wolf blitzer continues our coverage right now. we're following breaking news. we want to welcome our viewers, i'm wolf blitzer reporting from washington. this is cnn's special coverage of another critically important day for the trump administration. the president puts his deal-making skills to the test and issues this warning to republicans. if they fail to repeal and replace obamacare during tomorrow's crucial vote, they'll pay for it at the ballot box. the next 24 hours are critical and the white house knows it. they're scrambling to lock in members of their own party before tomorrow's house

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