from jerusalem. he is not going to be buried at the palace but at a great monument looking back toward jerusalem as a reminder, i am the king of the jews even in my the king of the jews even in my death. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com los angeles is my home. it's also the epicenter of the church of scientology. i live within walking distance of four different scientology

centers and i have heard everything you've heard. it's a cult, a scam, science fiction diuised a self help disguised as a religion. you've heard plenty from scientology's critics those who reject the church and everything it stands for. >> tonight, the documentary that scientology does not want you to see. >> it's run like a paramilitary organization. >> but there are other voices you haven't heard from. scientologists who left the church but continue to practice the religion, true believers who are seizing for themselves the power to define one of america's newest faiths. i'm traveling the world to investigate the reformation of the church of scientology. >> reza aslan is an author and scholar. >> reza aslan is a scholar of religions, best selling author. >> what is your reaction --

>> i've been studying the world's religions for 20 years. now i'm going to live them. >> i have a confession to make. i have a soft spot for scientology. as a scholar i'm fascinated by new american religions and whatever else you think about scientology it is arguably the most successful new american religion of the 20th century and i've heard the same things that you've heard. i've read the books, i've seen the movies. i'm familiar where the allegations of corruption and thou i will say that if nt them. corruption and abuse disqualified you from being a religion there would be no religions. my scholarly interest in

scientology often gets me labeled as an apologist for the religion. and in fact i do often find myself defending scientology at dinner parties. >> do you consider scientology a cult? >> definitely. >> do you consider l. ron hubbard to be a charlatan? >> he writes that there was an evil galactic emperor named xenu and that's who we are, we have these thetans. >> if there were such things as investigative reporters 2,000 years ago there would be no such thing as christianity. so how many people did you feed with like how many loaves? five loaves. i spoke to joab and he said he himself brought like 12 loaves.

i've gone on tv and argued with critics of the church. i don't think it's fair to refer to scientology as a cult. the difference between a religion and a cult tends to be how long the religion lasts. it usually doesn't go too well. >> i totally disagree. >> i want to say something. >> when i decided to do an episode on scientology i reached out to the church. i wanted them to be a part of it to have an opportunityo have their voices heard. it's an exploration of religious faith from the perspective of believers in that faith. >> i left a message for you previously also sent you an e-mail. i really do want to represent the voice of the church but i do need someone who is willing to speak with me about it. answer phone. why won't anybody talk to me?

unfortunately, no one from the church of scientology wanted to be a part of this episode. so instead i reached out to a fellow academic and scholar of religions, donald westbrook, an expert on scientology who is not a scientologist. >> would you put up scientology? the same place as other religions? >> absolutely. what is unique about it is a product of the culture in which it was born. it came after the mental health movement of dianetics. dianetics was published in may 1950 by l. ron hubbard. it was a form of talk therapy. he thought that all the traumas you have, engrams as they're called is stored in the ooktive mind. d dianetics erases those dramas and produces the clear from your

reactive mind and full possession of your analytical mind. >> auditing is the way you get clear? >> exactly. but as people were looking farther and farther into their own personal history they found they could go back to the womb and they went back farther to past lives and hubbard realized he was on to something that wasn't purely mental health. >> so that indicated to him that these engrams are stamped in the soul? >> he called a thetan,hich is the same idea. >> so far it all seems pretty straight forward. according to signling the we are all eternal souls that have infinite lifetimes and in each one we picked up traumas, engrams that we carry with us and affect our behavior. the way to clear these traumas is through auditing.

so hubbard is dead. and you know, as is often the case with most religions when a prophet dies, one of his followers takes over and in this case it's david miscavige, right? so he's now, i guess, in charge, a lot of people keep saying he's changing the religion. >> this goes to a very important concept in scientology, the technology of scientology. the tech of scientology refers to the con -- cannon of scientology. the allegation against miscavige is that he is interpreting the tech. it's a dispute about who gets to say what l. ron hubbard meant. >> every religion gets to deal with these things. how do you interrupt the founders intentions? who has the authorities to

define the faith? i mean, all of this stuff is for those of us who study religion, very familiar. >> absolutely. >> over the last few years, this argument over who controls scientology and how to practice it has led to a number of sects and schms a break-away groups. i've traveled half way around e world to haifa, israel, to visit one of these groups. if you want to start your own scientology mission you first have to pay the church a fee for its trademark and then you pay for the right to license its material. auditing, the training manuals, et cetera. and then, you would pay the church and portion, a percentage of the fees that you bring in for these services, usually about 10%. it's kind of like a mcdonald's. now, imagine if your local

mcdonald's decided one day it didn't want to have anything to do with the corporation any more, that it had failed in meeting certain expectations of its customers. and so, it was simply going to become independent. it would still sell big macs and use the secret sauce. but it just wasn't going to have anything to do with the corporation any longer. that's what's happened here at the drawer center. >> the drawer center started as a scientology mission specializing in training auditors. >> this is where people come to study auditing. >> an auditor administrators a specific set of routines and questions. all of which were decreed by hubbard himself. >> welcome to my kingdom. >> tammy and dannielynn berger

both rose to enormous heights in the church of scientology. tammy was the church's highest rated auditor in the world two years running and danny was instrumental to introducing the church to israel. they now run their independent scientology center north of jerusalem. >> you guys were very devou members of the church in good standing. one of the top auditors in the world. what happened. how did you go from this loyalty to the church to suddenly begin to change and think differently about it? >> scientology was fun in the '70s and the '80s. in the '90s and 2 ooos the pressure from upper management was more and more.

>> pressure for what? >> money. they wanted to come here for donation and fundraising evenings. we did not like this. you cannot audit this way. >> they change the technology all the time and i wrote many letters. the last letter i wrote, i said, dear, sir, a very polite letter, some things i don't agree with. on 28 june, 2012 we were approached by this lady who handed us an envelope. i knew what it was. a letter telling us that we had been declared an s.p. >> that is akin to being excommunicated from the catholic church. you are cut off not only from the church but also from its members. however, because the church of scientology claims trademark and copy right on materials used to practice the ridge put the dror

center in jeopardy. >> you have been excommunicated claims to have a copy right. h >> theyaid you were in violation of the copy right? >> they asked us to burn the old books. burn. we did this research and we found out that all of it is available. >> all the materials are available on the internet. >> so you could access -- >> exactly. >> and then i can deliver it. >> so we are just breaking the monopoly. >> you feel what you are doing in haifa is more what hubbard originally intended. the pure version of scientology? >> definitely, this is the true scientology. >> i am loyal to one person and that is ron hubbard. he is the source of scientology

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individualize it should sound familiar. after all, this is exactly what happened in the christian reformation. until the 16th century the roman catholic church w the sole interpreter of christianity in europe. but it drove a sis satisfied group of christians to break off from the church, to begin to interpret the faith for themselves. the protestant reformation went through europe and they all came up with their interpretation of what it meant to be christian. i'm on my way to meet trey lots. trey joined the church of

scientology in 1969 and rapidly became one of the church's top auditors. he achieved ot-8 status. ot-8 or operating thetan 8 is the highest level a scientologist can reach in the church in what l. ron hubbard called the bridge to total freedom. it's the guided step-by-step process through which a scientologist can achieve salvation. it's a state that very few scientologists have achieved. >> in 2007 he was excommunicated, thrownut of the church, declared a suppressive person but he is still a devout believes in scientology and he continues to make a living auditing people out of his house just a stone's throw away from the church. it's a little bit like if a catholic cardinal was

excommunicated and decided to live next to the vatican and continue to hear confessions. how exactly did you come into confrontation with the church? >> the whole environment became a lot more controlled and restrictive. i think it was just part of a general trend of you know, cracking down on independent people and getting rid of old-timers. >> did they ever charge you with anything? >> they said i was making stuff up. which you know, i didn't think was true. i had references for everything i did. i think it was mostly they wanted to run control on everybody. >> so you just left? >> well, i got kicked out and then once i looked around and realized there was, you know, nicer out here, i decided to stay. >> right. now, the people that you were auditing in the church when they

found out you had been excommunicated they basically thought i would rather stay with trey than find somebody else? >> yeah. >> and you just kept going? >> yeah, no problem. like two years ago iid more hours than had ever done in 43 years. >> i'm curious, have you had past life experiences? >> oh, yeah, sure, sure. my first auditing session was like i had my eyes closed and i kind of froze and he said what's that? and he said well, that's the car i was killed in. and it felt absolutely real. i can still feel it. >> and how many have you had since then? >> several lifetimes. a pretty good grasp of the 1800s and earlier lifetimes, things like that. >> when you pass from this lifetime what happens then?

your thetan has accumulated all of this knowledge. are you reborn a scientologist? >> you're reborn as yourself and one of the goals of auditing is giving a person more control over what happens to them after he leaves the body, before he gets his new body. so you will remain conscious. >> so, did you ever get a chance to meet hubbard? >> i was on the apollo which was the original flagship and i walked out on his catwalk and around the corner come hubbard and his two aides and he said hi. and in that instant it was like i was looking into outer space. and i looked into the eyes of many people. i mean, 4,000, 5,000 hours by that time. he had a vast space and it was very clean and a lot of life in it and a lot of vitality in it.

since hubbard passed there is a big cultural change in the church. so it's become less kind, less flexible. >> seems like you've got a lot of emotion involved with the state of the church. are you confident about the future of scientology, not the church, the religion? >> absolutely. there will be people wanting to get trained outside of the church and doing a good job and a job that really helps people and if you apply it the way it is designed to be applied, you know. the tech will survive. be comparing the roll-formed steel bed of the chevy silverado to the aluminum bed of this competitor's truck. awesome. let's see how the aluminum bed of this truck held up. wooooow!! -holy moly. that's a good size puncture. you hear 'aluminum' now you're gonna go 'ew'. let's check out the silverado steel bed. wow. you have a couple of dents. i'd expect more dents. make a strong decision. find your tag and get 15% below msrp

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such an intense experience being around these independent si scientologists. many of them this is the first time they've come out of the closet and they know the risks of it. they understand that what they're doing could get them into a heap of trouble with the church. and yet, they want to talk. they want to speak out. and these aren't just critics of the church. they're not what the church would refer to as apostates. these are people who are very

devout believers who are making enormous sacrifices for their faith. >> hi. >> hello. >> randy? >> reza. >> randy and team timm were once two of the church's best trainers of auditors. the church of scientology claims to be the only constitution authorized to trained saw auditors. they've agreed to take me through some of the training exercises they do with their students. these training drills are ones that hubbard himself created, right? >> we are going to start with tr-0 which is confronting. >> have the student and coach sit facing each other and say and do nothing. you get the idea. tr-0, start. >> this is not a staring contest.

according to l. ron hubbard as you advance in scientology you are no longer controlled by the world. you are in control. this exercise is all about learning to control one's body and one's mind in relation to another person. normally this exercise can last hours. >> all right. that's it. >> pretty good. i can't imagine doing that for hours. what's next? >> next we're going to do some -- and the purpose is to help you get over certain things that might trigger you if you're in an auditing session. >> and you're going the try to break my concentration. >> so tr-0 start. you're not originally from this country, are you? what boat did you come over on? you didn't come over on a boat

you probably flew. you're a fancy rich kid who got to fly over here, right? what makes you think you could write a book on jesus of nazareth, are you resisting reacting? are you trying really hard not to react to anything i say? boo, boo, boo. okay. that's it. >> okay. i have to say i feel like you were kind of easy. >> i can get rougher. let's turn it around. >> me try it on you. well -- feeling a little awkward. >> okay. >> because i don't want to say anything mean. i don't want to -- >> it's okay. >> pull out all the stops. >> pull out all the stops. >> say anything you want, insulting, whatever, totally fine. i can take it. >> you sure? >> yeah, yeah. >> tr-0 bull bait start.

randy, does the church know where you live? you're a heretic. you think l.r.h. is proud of you? he thinks you're a bastard. if he were here he'd probably smack you in the face. this religion thin. it's sign fiction it's not even a religion. it's a cult. you believe in xenu? everyone is making fun of you about that. xenu horse [ bleep ] okay, end training. >> i want to hug you. >> i didn't mean any of that. i really didn't. >> i know. >> are you concerned about the church's attacks against people who -- who speak out. >> i'm concerned about it. >> do you feel as though this interview might change thing first you? >> it might. >> how does that make you feel?

>> i'm prepared for it. before i left the church i was working undercover for the intelligence arm of the church. >> you were a church spy? >> i was. i was recruited to pose as a disgruntled scientologist and infiltrate a meeting of independent scientologists. i was sent there to take names. all of a sudden i turned around in the auditorium and trey lotz was sitting in the front. i have known tray lotz for 30 years. i later reported back to my handler and i said do owe know that trey lotz is with these guys. they said he is a suppressive person and has been declared. and -- well, this is what started waking me up. i better check this out. because that didn't make sense. >> do you feel as though that the church was taken away from

you? >> oh, yes. but trey encouraged me after i left the church he said, randy why don't you just start auditing and training. >> anyone can just leave the church if they want to. >> certainly you can. >> you can. >> but -- >> what if you have a daughter or a son who is on staff? >> my daughter disconnected from me. >> she disconnected from him when he left. >> have you tried to reach out to her? >> sure. it's a wasted effort. you say you got declared, boy, the axe is falling. >> right. >> did you introduce her to scientology? >> yeah, sure. i've been a scientologist since before she was born. >> before she was born. >> right. >> yeah. >> so she sort of grew up with it. >> did you know that was gng to happen? >> oh, yeah. >> can i ask why you felt it was considering the consequences, so

important for you to say your peace? >> you know, all i can say it's a point of integrity. i couldn't be in the organization and see the things that i saw going on and not know that there was something wrong. what's more important, you know, that, or some personal pain and discomfort and familial rejection or something. you know? and i chose the religious aspects of it as being more important. for unlimited data...ther guyse t-mobile one save you hundreds a year. right now get two lines of data for $100 dollars. with taxes and fees included. that's right 2 unlimited lines for just $100 bucks. all in. and right now, pair up those two lines with two free samsung galaxy s7 when you switch. yup! free. so switch and save hundreds when you go all unlimited with t-mobile.

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trey lotz actually agreed to audit me on camera. as far as i can tell this is the first time that an auditing session has been filmed for mainstream american television. central to the auditing experience is the emeter. this is basically a very simple lie detector that many scientologists believes helps an auditor pinpoint the areas of pain and trauma below our consciousness. a currentun through the

metals cans and back to the machine. every movement of the needle means something specific to the auditor who has been trained in some cases for decades to interpret it in relationship to the person's spiritual state. >> i have to say i'm kind of nervous. i mean, if auditing is basically a kind of psycho therapy i'm not sure what that's going the dig up or what kind of questions he's going to ask. i don't know. a little bit nerve wracking. okay. >> and make yourself comfortable. you may or may not need those pillows there. pick up the cans and see if they

are comfortable for your hand size. >> they are. >> okay, great. what is it you have your attention on a lot or what areas would you want to improve? >> i have a difficult time expressing sadness when i'm sad or emotionally hurt, rather than responding sadness i respond with anger. it's definitely the worst quality that i have i think. >> well, probably the first thing would be good to do is to run some processes that have to do with opening up. one of the primary techniques is a repeative process, i give you the question or the command and you give me your response and i acknowledge it and give it to you again. >> okay. >> we do that until there is a release on it. a release would be on the meter, it would show up as a free

needle. with you it might feel a little bit of a lightness or an uptoneness that would occur or sort of expansion of your space or something like that. this process is called the first postlot process and the command is what isn't looking at you. >> what isn't looking at me. >> yeah. my dad. my dad's not looking at me. >> okay. good. >> what isn't looking at you? . >> my family. >> good. all right. what isn't looking at you? >> everybody who is not in this room. >> what isn't looking at you? >> i guess, the world. >> the needl released on that. how you doing on that one?

good. some of the questions i describe as co-ones. these are like a buddhist riddles like what is the sound of one hand clapping. it's a question without an answer. the fact that it doesn't have an answer forces you to dig deep and whatever you come up with is what's important. >> there's something called certain processing. we'll do some of those. so the idea there is something wrong with my emotions. >> i have that idea. >> get the idea there isn't anything wrong with my emotions. get the idea there is something wrong with my emotions. get the idea -- >> felt like we were zeroing in on a feeling over and over and over again. until it just didn't really have

any potency. >> get the idea there's something wrong with my mind. get the idea it's safe here. get the idea it's not safe here. get the idea there's something wrong with me. get the idea there is something wrong with me. get the idea there isn't anything wrong with my emotion. get the idea there isn't anything wrong with my emotions. get the idea there is something wrong with my emotions. >> there were a few times it was going on and on and on and i w trying to get the floating needle and i couldn't do it. >> get the idea there isn't anything wrong with my emotions. >> and then i would give up trying and forget about it and slowly it would just kind of happen. >> good. needle is floating on that. >> i kept seeing myself turn into the incredible hulk.

and then it became harder and harder to maintain that image. >> well, you've released certain things and that means that there is so potential for expansion or a new pattern or you know, so you just be there with it and you know, let it unfold. >> it's not like i came in here feeling bad about anything in particular. but i just -- i feel a little more uptone, as they would say. i feel uptone. yeah, i feel better. my hands are a little bit tingly.

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in reno, nevada there is an auditor named raye robles who leads a group called the free zoners. many have moved to reno to be slower to ray. ray is different from other independent scientologists. he is take it further. he is innovating. as a result, his version of scientology is evolving. it's becoming something new. >> i joined the church 1969. when i got in. i was a college student. i didn't have very much money. but, yet, i was able to buy a meter and able to do it and i was able to go clear. it was $25 an hour.

when a new regime came in, hubbard passed, they kept doubling the money. i paid $750 to do the clearing course and now it costs like i don't know, 6,000, $700. >> and that is around the time you -- >> decided to leave, yeah. a lot of people left in '83. i left in 1990. a lot of the people left because they didn't like the new people and the new materials and the changes. >> when you left did you right away start auditing and gave services -- >> i never stopped and i have been active on this for 20 years in, 20 years out. >> do you feel you are more connected to what hubbard was trying to do? >> we have two different purposes. >> what was his purpose? >> to help mankind and he did. and he gifted it to us. my purpose which i recalled in

between life. my mission is to master this technology, to export it to other realms, other places, other planets. i came to planet earth. i haven't been here that long, a few lifetimes. this is my last reincarnations on earth. >> you think this is your last. >> yeah, i don't belong here. i would take it with me because any time you master something you got it. you know? >> to master it to develop it, to better it? >> i'm furthering it. >> innovating upon it. >> rediscovering some things that have been lost. >> not just the church of scientology. no church wants improvising. >> that's why i don't belong in church. >> the great thing about being a free zoner or reformer is you are no longer bound by the rules of the church. you can innovate and

take a little bit from that idea and put it altogether and make something new, and you don't have somebody up there saying, no, that's not how it's supposed to be, there are rules, there's dogma and doctrine. ray has agreed to give me a brief auditing session, his own take on a high scientology process that is rarely performed. it's called the superpower rundown series. >> yeah, the techniques i will give you are not used anywhere. >> not even in the church? >> no, and after we do it you will see why. i want you to assume the viewpoint that you personally have no limits. >> i can do that. >> very good. how does that feel? >> i feel like, okay, i have a viewpoint. >> close your eyes on these, and get the idea of mankind,

assuming the viewpoint of no limits. now get the idea of you causing all mankind to assume the point of no limits. you caused it. get the idea of the design, you causing it to have no limits. take a deep breath, in and out. how does that feel? >> energizing. ray thinks of himself as not just innovating but improving upon the church, and there's a moment where he was talking about how his bridge is different than the church's bridge, and the bridge at 8-0t

levels, and he has one upped the church. >> all of these powerful things or whatever they have done. >> so it is like you feel as you are unearthing this stuff that was there. >> there was this thing hubbard called milestone one. he says when you reach milestone one,ou will be free from scientology and from me. i am at milestone three. >> i hear that kind of talk a lot from mystics, who will say for those of us who have broken free, we abide by a different set of rules. do you think about it sometimes that way? >> i amp way. definitely transcended. p way.

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most thinking people can differentiate between a church and its members. when the catholic church was

embroiled in the scandal, most people could separate. why then is it so difficult for many people to differentiate between the church of scientology and the religion of scientology. religious institutions want to present themselves as the sole arbiters of the faith, and there's proof of the independent scientology movement, this ref amation of scientology. >> exposing all the things in the organization. exposing, and they ask the question, why encouraging people in this place, seeing all the things happening and still staying there and not leaving, and that's how it became a bad

word, you know? >> uh-huh. >> and they realize there is so much in scientology which is true and strong, and free of people, and free of souls, and then we could become a great movement together with another great movement. >> uh-huh. the more time i spend with these independent scientology free zoners, we are witnessing a ref amation. religion can only expand and grow if individuals feel free to make it their own, and they believe they are the true believers, and they are the ones that are remaining true to the original foundations built by l.

ron hubbard, and it doesn't matter if they are right or wrong but what matters is all religions go through this process and all of the religions deal with the conflict over who has the authority to define a faith. maybe that more than anything else proves that scientology is not so different after all. ♪ ♪ >> i believe in hubbard and the truth of what he has done and the sincerity of what he has done. >> he developed his life's work is what is important. >> i believe that it's not really a matter of belief, it's something works or not, it either works or it doesn't. >> i believe people should be doing scientology with fun and gusto. >> i believe that scientology in the free zone is wonderful. >> i believe very strongly that to be right you don't have to

make others wrong. >> i believe -- in fact, i am certain of the technology developed by l. ron hubbard. that is entirely possible. >> were these ancient artifacts the personal belongings of his mother, mary? >>