on winning is how he sizes himself up. >> please, mr. president, we don't want to win anymore. you're driving us crazy. >> jeane moos, new york. thanks as always for joining us, you can catch the show any time on cnngo. anderson is next. we begin tonight with breaking news, tonight the ranking democrat of the white house intelligence committee adam schiff is going to recuse himself from the investigation of investigating russian ties to the trump campaign. earlier congressman nunes explained that he was on the white house grounds before he met with president trump about the wiretapping allegations. defended his decision to go to president trump directly with the so-called evidence. he is the only person on the

intelligence committee who has seen it. he went on to tell wolf basically there was nothing out of the ordinary about this whole incident. but the congressmen on the committee, doesn't agree. congressman schiff -- what did the congressman tell you? >> reporter: it's kind of a jarring day that has riveted washington, anderson, and that is that the top democrat on the committee, a committee that frad additionally works in a very by partisan manner. the chairman of the ranking member says it's now time for the chairman to step aside. take a listening to what he had to tell me. >> it's no surprise he's been on the transition team and he's been part of this investigation. it was just his visit to the white house that changed in your view? >> first it was the sort of dead of night meeting at the white house and then the returning to the white house with whatever information he got at the white house. but more than that, to the

degree that what he's claiming now goes to weather there was incidental collection on members of the transition team, that's a different issue than we were looking at before. particularly if he says this doesn't involve the russian involvement in the transition team. so in those two areas i think it makes sense for him to recuse himself. >> reporter: and anderson, you notice the relevant question is that congressman nunes was on the trangs sipgs team, and we have been hearing from the ranking members and adam schiff moving forward on it. and this idea that what the chairman has uncovered, what the chairman only knows himself actually ties him into this because of his role in the trump

transition and so what adam schiff is asking for is not just that congressman nunes removes himself just from the russian investigation, but everything he's related he has concerns about, the trump unmasking because of the trump san francisco lance. a number of different issues that the chairman himself said he's both very interested in and very concerned about. >> are they still having the classified briefing from comey and rogers this week that was announced last week? >> reporter: a source involved with the committee tells me the main concern actually came from fbi director comey, whose point essentially was, at least as it was explained to me, until you guys get it together, we're not going to come up and testify. the intelligence community has been kind of also riveted with

what's happened with chairman nunes over the last several days and we want it known, as they go into these briefings as they go into any private or public testimony that they understand everything na's going on right now. it's not just lawmaker who is have been out of the loop on this, it's some members of the intelligence community as well. and because of that, this hearing that was scheduled is no longer on the books, anderson. >> is there any idea where this investigation goes? is the investigation still under way? is it grinding to a halt or is the intelligence committee still working on it? >> reporter: i asked adam schiff the ranking member on the panel if this -- chairman nunes on other issues, but when it came to this issue specifically, it was time for him to step aside,

it's not just adam schiff that's requesting this. it's also nancy pelosi, the minority leaders of the hour, and speaker paul ryan has consistently said throughout the day through his spokesman that he maintains full confidence in chairman nunes's ability to move forward. so this is a very partisan split with no kind of clear resolution any time soon. >> again, congressman nunes is standing by his decision to go to president trump with evidence no one else has seen. he's refusing to say what he got at the white house. and nunes has cancelled the closed door session, he's already postponed the committee's second public hearing, which was supposed to be tomorrow, before he cancelled that in order to have a closed door one. so jim, what's the latest from the white house on how chairman nunes went about doing this and

the reaction it's gotten here in washington? >> reporter: white house press secretary sean spicer said that it was not a white house official who had information for chairman nunes during that quiet visit over to the white house last week, one day before he announced this claim about evidence of trump tower being wiretapped. he says he's concerned there's some new leak in the administration, i asked spicer whether there's a perception now that it's strange for chairman nunes to be on white house grounds one day before revealing information that was somehow helpful to the president. do you think there's some kind of perception problem in having the chairman over at the white house and the next day there's evidence. >> anyone who want fs to, you

can't ask someone to do a reveal of the situation and then create inferences because they're reviewing a situation that there's something that's not right about that. he is reviewing a situation, and i think he's been fairly open with the press, as far as what he was doing, who he spoke to and why. i think from our standpoint, that's what we had asked today as a review. >> reporter: the white house and the staff are unsure how nunes got on to the white house grounds. white house visitor logs are not yet available under president trump, they were available during the obama administration, you can see who was coming and going, who was cleared to visit. that information is simply not available right now under this new president. >> i know democrats are saying

that it's weird that nunes would go to white house grounds, not inside the white house, but another complex in order to have this briefing and then the next day go back to the white house to brief the president on something he learned at the white house. nunes, though, is saying he had this information for a while before that. i mean democrats are saying he's trying to give cover to the president. why couldn't the president have learned about it or gotten more information about it from the other part of the white house? >> reporter: right, something does not add up here, obviously when you have the chairman saying that previously he had this information and apparently one day before he revealed this information, remember, it was the press and the white house, and democratic members of that committee that he had to get over here quickly to talk to people on the grounds of the white house, when you talk about the grounds of the white house, we're not just talking about this building behind me, there's

also the white house office building and it was somewhere on the white house grounds that chairman nunes had this meeting with some sort of source, and with the skiff, a secure department area where somebody could receive classified or sensitive information. they have those facilities up on capitol hill, so it is still unclear as to why chairman nunes needed to make this visit here in order to receive information that was so critical. >> what's the rationale? i know sean spicer was asked about it today, i think he said something to the effect, well, we're reviewing that, it's under review, but if you're draining the swamp, and seeing who has access to the government, you would think seeing who's coming and going from the white house would be an obvious way. >> reporter: and all we're gettige getting from the white house is that they intend to put this

information together and make it available. keep in mind, during the obama administration, we were able to search those records and find out, you know, it was after the fact, of course that hillary clinton for example was here at the white house meeting with president obama, remember when they had those lunches and we wouldn't find out about them until a later date. but at the very least, that visit was in the visitor logs, so you could see that somebody who came to the white house would be checked in. so chairman nunes was saying, it would show who checked him into the white house that they're not revealing at this point and who he was seeing on that particular date. it's very critical information they're keeping from the american people. >> you're making the point that this isn't just because of the russian investigation, it's broader than that in your view. >> i believe much like the attorney general recused himself from overseeing the russian

investigation, it would be wise for the chairman to do the same thing and it's not just the russian investigation, if he's making claimings about minimization procedures and if they're with respect to the transition team, chairman nunes was on that transition team, i think it would enhance the public trust that we're doing our investigation credibly and in a nonpart stisan way, insula from anybody in the white house. >> the president is getting new reporting on the trail of the surveillance. since chairman nunes won't say exactly what surveillance reports he's talking about, what is the leading theory among law enforcement intelligence officials? >> reporter: the leading theory is u.s. intelligence collected on foreign leaders, that is diplomats, people that are presidents and prime ministers

overseas and their staff and we know u.s. intelligence agencies routinely monitor those people including if they had any interactions with the trump transition team. we know, for example, during the transition, that the president-elect's team had multiple calls with countries that we know that u.s. intelligence is listening to, that is israel, russia, china, taiwan, these are countries that if you hear them discussing the president, the new incoming team, there might be something of intelligence value that the nsa analyst who is listening might decide is word summarizing and then it's kicked up to the white house, including to the obama white house. >> the incoming trump administration did not log meetings with foreign leaders is as is part of protocol. >> that's a protocol that's established, you usually have people at the state department who are trained to handle those

calls for the incoming presidential team. in this case, the trump team decided they were going to handle these cars themselves, they coordinated them from trump tower. so what you have is the nsa picking up some of these conversations. again, they could simply be discussing members of the trump team and that stuff would be in these intelligence reports. if they had gone through the regular protocol, much less of this would have taken place. >> i'll talk to a member of the house intelligence committee about his thoughts on these twists and turns. we'll try to walk you through the twists and the turns, hour by hour, as it unfolded. anything meant to stand needs a stable foundation.

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ranking democrat on the house intelligence committee is calling for congressman nunes to step down. the everyday that he said suggests that communications that president-elect trump and his advisors may have been swept up in surveillance of other foreign nationals. a member of the house intelligence committee joins me now, do you believe that chairman nunes is working with the white house to obstruct this investigation? >> i do. and we were working together, we were going down an investigative road together. and we made progress, last week we had an open hearing and the fbi director cleared some of those things up. >> after that hearing there was supposed to be another hearing tomorrow which was going to be an open public hearing with clapper and others testifying. chairman nunes cancelled that

hearing, saying that they were going to have a closed door hearing and now that closed door hearing is cancelled. >> we were just going to have a regular meeting tonight, cancelled. we were going to have a closed door meeting with chairman schiff tomorrow. cancelled. the american people are losing out because they want this out in the open. >> there may be very legitimate reasons to cancel this meeting, is it your belief that there is a reason or is it just trying to stop the momentum. >> the witnesses were already ready to go, they sent over their testimony. and the american people were finally let in last week and they want to know more about what they did and what u.s. representatives --. >> it was norm toll go to the white house to get this information and also normal to go to the president directly with us and going public with it before talking to the ranking

democrat or anyone else on the committee. >> not normal. it would have been different if he had brought adam schiff with him over there. but the white house now is under federal criminal intelligence investigation so it's a conflict to work with them with anything that has to do with the russian investigation. >> does it concern you that he would go to the white house ground, or the white house building, one night at night, meet somebody, look at some stuff that he said could only be seen there and then the next day have to go back to the white house to brief the white house, when that information is apparently available throughout the executive branch? >> he hasn't shown us what he has. but what he is claiming he has could be viewed from the u.s. capitol and the white house seems to want to work with him to obstruct our investigation. i think this is just another smoke bomb that they're rolling into this investigation to prevent us from making progress. >> so can your committee continue this investigation or do you think this should go

elsewhere? >> i think we have to continue to per sue all leads, however, i wanted an independent commission, i always thought that was the most comprehensive way to get to the bottom. one republican has signed on, walter jones, i hope others join. >> it's a shame how partisan this is, even the public meeting you had, all the questions republicans were asking, were leak related, all the questions democrats were asking were about russia or about manipulation of the election. >> it's all bipartisan to follow the investigation where it takes us. if these are just mere coincidences and not a convergence, he should want us to know that, but if they are a convergence of political, personal and financial ties, they should be held accountable. >> if the white house says today, look, we have nothing to do with this, you got to ask

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welcome back. again our breaking news, congressman adam schiff, the ranking democrat on the house intelligence committee is calling for congressman nounes, this comes after nunes cancelled tomorrow's committee meeting. let's go to our panel.

so, gloria, chairman nunes just told cnn that he had this information for a long time. >> uh-huh. >> which then raises the question, why do you need to go to the white house grounds the night before? >> to see more information of the same sort that he already had? i don't know the answer. >> the other congressman was saying he could have seen on capitol hill. >> there are people who say that because of the source of his information, he could only see it on the white house grounds, i don't know who his source was so i have no idea. >> but if it was, i think sean spicer said this was widely available within the executive branch. >> and this is the problem, and i was just talking to a republican source who has been briefed on what chairman nunes has seen and this source says to me, these conversations were primarily among diplomats who were kind of gossiping about the incoming trump administration, things like i was told, what he

was doing, where he was having dinner, and then he added, well, you know, it's pretty easy to identify who they were talking about, as in the president-elect. >> they could have watched cable news for that. >> and it doesn't seem like it is stunning information. the they are saying that this was publicly decemb nothing salacious, but then you have to ask, why is devin nunes rushing to the white house saying oh, my god, the white house is on fire, if it's not that substantial or consequenti consequential, you have to asking why is he talking about the russian investigation? >> when you're dealing with intelligence matters like this, this complicates the job for gloria and everyone else out there, because you have no idea and they're generally not going to tell you. so it would seem to me, that in the interest of pr for the

committee, that they get more of this information out, get back to their open hearings, i suggested as you know that they not only get roger stone who are wants to testify, carter page. >> that's the exact opposite of what devin nunes is doing, he cancelled the hearing that was supposed to take place tomorrow. and then there was supposed to be a closed door hearing, that's not happening. >> one hopes that he's got a good reason for doing this and then the rest of us will find out what that is. but if you are not forthcoming like this, it can lead to suspicion and problems, and i might add, congressman schiff was a big backer of hillary clinton, and when loretta lynch meet with president clinton on the tarmac, they said, oh, she'll do the right thing. >> none of this has to do with russia, first of all. what nunes is talking about, has nothing to do with the investigation that he's supposed to be doing on his committee. >> the problem is he should

have, really, it seems like the more reasonable way to handle this would have been to go back to the committee with the information, discuss it with other people, have other people look at it. because other people interpret things differently. we are going on his interpretation of what he saw. >> brian, was his responsibility to be as chairman of the committee to the chairman of the committee as part of that committee he serves or to brief president trump. >> only to -- congressman schiff is someone who has a pretty good reputation on both sides of the aisle, as someone who is sober, serious, has a prosecutor's temperament. what we saw from congressman nunes -- >> when the shoe was on the other foot, his first gut instinct was to defend loretta lynch. >> keep in mind all of this started because we had a hearing last monday that spiraled

clearly out of the white house's expectations and probably congressman nunes to allude to director comey that there was an investigation. >> let me deliver a shocker that maybe it's time to stop looking to the house for answers for things, for anything. nunes who has had a good reputation as well. i believe he had to go to white house grounds to get this information, it's also part of his job to -- if you have this revelation brought to you, you do it in the most pristine way possible so you avoid exactly what is happening right now. >> obviously the health care debate has gotten a lot of coverage, but this is kind of

stepping on everything else. >> you have this terrible hearing that goes completely off the rails, next we have whether or not names were -- today you have more bad news, stuff about kushner having meetings with foreign bankers. and suddenly now we're talking about this again and we have got more little leaks and nunes making vague statements that you can't really decipher, and that really looked like a pattern, every time we have bad news, let's shift the narrative until you have a total side show. >> until nunes took -- a week later, they don't give you a lot of confidence that this investigation is going to get to the bottom of what it's supposed to get to the bottom of. his opening statement last monday and most of his questionings were not about the core issue of the russian attack or election. >> it was very interesting when you had comey making this bombshell of a statement, and

nunes, the first question nunes asked is completely ignoring the leaks which is something that's important. >> and it's something that's important to the white house. the second thing he did was go to the white house and brief the president about this information that we still don't have a handle on. and the third thing he did was he shut down the open hearing that was scheduled for tomorrow. so, you know, you can't blame folks for saying maybe this isn't the forum to get to the bottom of this. >> in the middle of all of this, donald trump's son-in-law jared kushner has volunteered to testify.

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our breaking news on capitol hill is calling on the republican congressman devin nunes to recuse himself from the russia investigation. president trump's son-in-law and close advisor jared kushner has volunteered to talk to the senate committee during the transition, he arranged meetings between trump and the campaign

advisors and the russians and insists those meetings were completely appropriate. >> jared did a job during the transition and during the campaign where he was a con due it the to leaders and that's before we had a state department or a place for these leaders to go. and that was his role. and he wants to make sure that he's very clear about the role that he played and who he talked to and that's it. >> we're back with the panel, matthew, you break this story for the "new york times." what does the senate want to hear from jared kushner and is this testimony under oath? is this just them talking to the chairman in a room? >> it's just questions, it's not under oath, they want to know about these meetings, particularly the meeting with the russian bankers that he held. he met with ambassador kislayak in late december and then the ambassador asked him to meet with the russian banker.

the bank is bved. he said that nothing of consequence happened and it was just in his role of leading the transition of foreign affairs. then we got a statement from the russian bank, the russian bank said they were doing a road show, there was a lot of talk about kushner needing money for buildings that his family owned and we don't know what went on there. but it's much more than a courtesy call. and the bank is also under u.s. sanction. >> there's that. >> i forgot that detail, it's under u.s. sanction and the guy he met with trains at the u.s. academy that trains all of their security officers.

this is, i think looking at some of the conflicts we're seeing here. >> this again goes to questions we have been asking and everybody's been asking about, you know, the role of a lot of these people on the transition team who also had business relationships and you know, i guess technically they weren't in the white house yet, so jared kushner -- i don't know what. >> and an update to matthew's story is maybe better news than the original story, because you now have conflict that the white house said they had, and what jared kushner is saying. >> you have a very clear mixing of kushner's business role and his role as a trump foreign policy advisor. >> didn't kushner also meet with a chinese company during the transition that ended up making a huge deal with the company that he's supposedly divorced himself from but he hasn't filed

the paper work? >> exactly. are we going to be seeing members of donald trump's family using their -- here they're talking business with a bank under u.s. sanctions, that's run by someone by someone who trains most of it's intelligence security officers. there's another there's nothing to look at here. it's all fine. >> and the russian ambassador is organizing this meeting. >> you have to get rid of those sancti sanctions, he now knows jared kushner, he knows his business background and he is now organizing a meeting with a bank under u.s. sanctions, seems inappropriate on its face. >> it's a question of access to power in washington and there e's clearly a sense that i'm getting from your reporting that this bank believed that they had access to power, potentially in exchange for favor. we don't know. >> we don't know.

>> we don't know, but that's the question, and if you're the bank and you get a meeting with the president's son-in-law pretty quickly, at the recommendation of the russian ambassador who sets up the meeting? >> first of all i know jared kushner a bit. and i have complete confidence in his integrity. i mean the suspicion that he would be out there to enrich himself in some sort of -- >> that's his job. i mean he has spent his life -- i mean he's not mother teresa. >> are you sure? >> i don't know what her income was, but i think his income is -- >> here's what bothers me about this, anderson, as we have gone through this whole scenario, we have found one person or another on both sides of the political spectrum, involved with this, that or the other connection. this is the swamp, this is how the swamp operates. >> but it's like, all of us high, like i'm under strict rules about who i can speak in

front of. >> right. >> who i would meet with. >> right. >> i don't believe, unless i was working on a story about some sleazy russian bank or alleged sleazy russian bank, i would not put myself in a situation where the russian ambassador asked me to meet with a bank under sanctions with a guy who has ties on russian intelligence. i mean the guy doesn't do a back ground check on who's walking in trump tower? i manner that's scary, isn't it? >> the house intelligence committee who's supposed to get to the bottom of all this has broken down now. >> this actually seems like a pretty big story here. >> kwush never basically met with the russian banker at the suggestion of the russian ambassador. the banker runs a ctions list.

that has bowed out oligar oliga. we found about it because we asked. and when we asked the white house about it. the bank emails just a few hours ago and says, no, no, no, it was actually about his role as part of the kushner companies, it was actually for business reasons and we don't know what that means. >> who was asking for favors? >> that's what we need to know. >> all right, up next, the new reason the white house says president trump wasn't able to make a deal to repeal obamacare. we'll get to that when we come back.

tonight the white house has a new reason why the gop health care bill failed. this past friday, the president did not pull it off. they pulled their bill just minutes before the vote. it was not just a legislative defeat for president trump, he wasn't able to do what he's always said he can do best which is make a deal. hear how the white house is explaining this failure this afternoon. >> the president also realizes when there's not a deal to be made, when to walk away. it's not just about making deals, it's knowing when to walk away from deals and knowing when there's a bad deal is the only solution. >> this is different from the

previous encounter from president trump and paul ryan who supported the bill and worked hard to get it passed. >> the president's put a lot of time and effort into it and i think he's made a strong case. >> i think it's going to be something that's going to be a model to be looked upon. >> there's no question in my mind, at least, that the president and the team have left everything on the field. as the team put everything on the field? have we left everything on the field? absolutely. >> we have 12 pretty much nos a little while ago and they have all went from nos to yeses. we're going to have great health care, it's going to be passed, i believe, i think substantially pretty quickly. >> what really happened? joining me now is republican congressman adam pinzinger. you had president trump calling this a bad deal that the president walked away from, last week saying the president left

everything on the field. have you ever heard everyone in the white house but president trump say this is a bad deal? >> i didn't hear them say that, but i'll tell you where it was going. i have to agree with sean spicer, the president worked his tail off, he spent an hour talking to us and asking what are our concerns to those who had concerned. but there are 30 people, they're called the house freedom caucus that can never, ever get to yes. and they went to president trump and said we want a state -- the house freedom caucus said now we want you to rescind all title ones, which is kids on your parents plan, i'm going to keep that, all republicans did, so there's no way i'm pulling on that. even if he had given on that, which he wasn't about to, the freedom caucus would have come up with something else. and they have done this for

years. >> is this thing dead for this year? obviously tax and instra structure is something the president's talked a lot about. what about health care? >> i think we need to move on to tax reform and immigration, are we going to have a health care bill? i think if we can ever get past the freedom caucus, if we can ever get to yes on this, we're going to have to start looking to moderate democrats to say what do we do to fix the system? i would love to get to repeal and replace but we have 70% of the house caucus, of the freedom caucus, everybody in the house saying we'll never, ever get to yes, you either have to have democrats, that's just the math on it. >> so you would be open to keeping obama care, but trying to improve things that don't

work with it? >> look, i would rather not. we made campaign promises. but if you can't get the numbers out of the republicans, this is on the house freedom caucus, are you ever willing to get to yes? are you ever willing to get to we have to understand as republicans and americans people's lives are affected. if there's an opportunity, let's do it. if you're a house freedom caucus member you have to understand government is different than being in opposition. they think they're in opposition still. >> shouldn't republicans have had more of a plan in place? shouldn't this have all worked out. everybody was running on this not just one election but multiple election in the course of seven years. >> that's been a criticism and people have been repeating that. the reality and maybe we didn't do a good job showing it. a lot of ideas we've been talking about a long time, a

better way agenda and we developed this on the energy and commerce committee and we stayed up for 28 straight hours a pretty miserable night and the bill exists and members of the house freedom caucus say we weren't at the table. there were two members of the house freedom caucus on the energy and commerce committee and they don't write bills. we could have done a better job of messaging i'm sure. you have reality of people taking false information, the house freedom caucus and say they never consulted us or this isn't a straight repeal, obamacare lite and you convince people of untruths. nunes acknowledges he was on the white house grounds with information from a source he won't name and legal surveillance may have captured information from president trump and his advisors, nothing to do

with russia and the president said he feels somewhat vindicated. does it makes sense the chairman would have rushed to white house grounds to get this information and the next day go back to the white house to brief the president? sean spicer today said this information was widely available within the executive branch. >> i'm not sure. going back and briefing the president depending what that information was would make sense especially if it's talking about unmasking for people captured in surveillance. going to executive mansion or white house grounds, that's a whole branch of government and different agencies that are housed there. i'm not on the intel committee. i've talked to members that say we can't get all the information in this capitol complex and have to go to other areas to get it. what i know of chairman nunes is i know him to be a very honorable man and wants to get to the bottom of what's going on. >> you don't think he's --

>> i think he needs to explain this and we need a bipartisan answer and an investigation going on in the senate as well to what happened in terms of the russia questions and hope we get there. >> thank you for your time. >> any time. >> more on the breaking news, adam schiff, the ranking house member, calls for nunes to recuse himself. he had a secret meeting with the white house and more on that ahead. how long did it take you two to save that? a long time. then it's a fortune. i told you we had a fortune. get closer to your investment goals with a conversation. various: (shouting) heigh! ho! ( ♪ ) it's off to work we go! woman: on the gulf coast, new exxonmobil projects are expected to create over 45,000 jobs. and each job created by the energy industry supports two others in the community.

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house democratic leader nancy pelosi is joining congressman adam schiff calling nunes to recuse himself from the investigation of the investigation of the ties to russia. earlier, devin nunes confirmed he was on the white house

grounds last tuesday before he announced he had information when president trump and his advisors may have been swept up by foreign nationals. going to president trump with this information without sharing with his own committee, still refusing to say if the white house is his source for the information. new questions about the timing of all of this, randi kaye tonight walk s us through the story hour-by-hour. >> we will be submitting certain things and i will be perhaps speaking about this next week. it's right now before the committee and i wathink i want leave it there. i think you will find very interesting items to the forefront over the next two weeks. >> reporter: that was march 15th, 11 days after president trump claimed former president obama wiretapped him. then, six days later, white house spokesman sean spicer suggests the so-called evidence

could come even sooner. >> can we expect the president this week to present evidence he was wiretapped by barack obama or will he speak about it, because he didn't mention it last night in his rally. >> let's see how the week goes. >> reporter: just hours after that, a mysterious turn of events start to unfold. by all accounts they begin with the house of intelligence chair, devin nunes. it was tuesday night here in washington, d.c. when chairman nunes was riding in a car with a staff member, when he got some type of message on his phone and abruptly got out of that car and into an uber. the then seemingly disappeared into the night. his staff was left in the dark. no one knew where he went. to them, he had simply vanished. whatever nunes learned on that phone call or wherever he was called to visit appears to have been enough to crdrop a bombshe. after the sun came up on wednesday morning, nunes reappeared arriving on capitol hill sharing this stunning news.

>> i recently confirmed on numerous occasions the intelligence community incidentally collected information about u.s. citizens involved in the trump transition. >> reporter: nunes divulged this information to the media even before he briefed members of his own intelligence committee. >> the chairman in what appears to be a dead of night excursion obtains or reviews some docum t documents he has not shared with his own committee. it's not just he hasn't shared them with democrats on the committee, he hasn't shared them with republicans on the committee, all of us are essentially in the dark. >> reporter: the timing of his contact so soon after the white house promised to provide proof is raising eyebrows here on capitol hill some even sugge suggesting nunes is providing cover for the president for his claims he was wiretapped by the obama administration. >> was the president also part of that incidental collection, his communications? >> yes, they were.

>>thy president of t the presid personal communications were collected incidental collection not in specific targeted way? >> it's possible. >> reporter: he said it happened in november, december and january, after the election, during the transition. still, despite his big announ announcement, nunes himself seemed unsure about all that he had been privy to. >> you said the president's communications were incidentally collected and then you said it was possible. were they collected or possible it was collected zbloorchltian the answer to that. >> we don't know if the president's communications -- >> i know there was incidental collection regarding the president-elect and his team. ian if it was actually physic physically a phone call. >> you don't know if it was the president himself, his communications? >> i do not know that. >> reporter: his press conference was just the beginning. that afternoon, chairman nunes had bigger