if you feel like isis is a bigger threat than gun crime in chicago, even though gun crime in chicago is much bigger threat than isis in chicago -- >> part of leadership is actually telling people what the facts are so you're not fear mongering. >> right. but let's also be clear, part of being a politician is listening to your constituents and fears and concerns. if they are telling to you focus on x you need to focus on the issue. >> the reason they had those fears, ginned up by partisan media. they are telling them. they are not paying attention to the facts. they are attacking by saying crime is up. you should be afraid. be afraid. even though there is no evidence for that. that's part of the reason they have that feeling. it's been created in bipartisan media. >> to your constituents and fear and assuaging it rather than ginning it up. we leave it there. thank you. >> ben, always a pressure, thank you, pal. >> thanks to international for

watching. for you "cnn newsroom" is next. for u.s. viewers "new day" continues right now. >> it makes sense for chairman to recuse himself. >> what i'm raising here is vital to national security. >> his actions look like someone who is protecting the president and that doesn't work. >> the chairman made very clear what his goal was. >> there's no legitimate reason to have gone to the white house instead of sharing it with his own community. >> devin nunes has gone rogue. >> jared kushner, russian banker with ties to vladimir putin. >> have you a direct conflict between what the white house said at that meeting and what the bank is saying. >> roger stone, paul manafort, now jared kushner, people who had unusual number of meetings with russians. >> he wants to make sure about the role he played and who he talked to and that's it. >> announcer: this is new day with chris cuomo and alisyn

camerota. chairman of the house committee said he will not recuse himself from the russian investigation after admitting he secretly met with a source on white house grounds a day before briefing the president on this topic. >> remember, nunes went around the democrats on his own committee to give information to the white house after checking in with ryan and other republicans. it really took away the integrity for the democrats working with the republicans. so now we have how will the white house deal with this. they keep dismissing the russia story as a hoax. now the president is tweeting congress should be focusing on the clintons. all this in light of another major development. the president's son-in-law met with a russian bank we are ties to putin. the kremlin is now saying they didn't know about that meeting. we're in day 68 of the trump administration. our coverage begins with cnn suzan malvo live from capitol hill. another big day. >> it's another big day, chris, of course.

this caused a growing chorus of people now calling for independent investigation of trump's ties, his team's ties with russia. this comes as revelations emerge day by day about behavior of the intelligence committee. despite that, house speaker paul ryan says he has very little appetite to replace him. suzanne malveaux. >> leading democrats calling for embattled chairman of the house committee to step down arguing congressman devin nunes, a former member of trump's transition team is too close to the administration to conduct an impartial investigation into the trump campaign's potential ties to russia. >> we've reached the point after the events of this week where it would be very difficult to maintain credibility investigation if the chairman did not recuse himself. >> the uproar coming after nunes acknowledged monday that he made a secret visit to the white house grounds to meet an intelligence source in a secure

location. >> nobody was sneaking around. all it was was just a place i had to go to be able to review this information. >> nunes denying if i wrongdoing a -- any wrongdoing, denying incidental collection about trump team communications before informing his colleagues on the intelligence committee. >> i wasn't planning on going to the white house the next day. but after i was able to read what i read, i realized it had nothing to do with russia but had everything to do with individuals who were -- whose names were included into intelligence reports. i was very concerned and i thought that the president of the united states should know and that's why i went and told him. >> devin nunes has gone rogue. >> a growing chorus of democrats piling on. >> actions taken by the chairman have compromised the investigation. >> reporter: calling on house speaker paul ryan to appoint a new chair. >> his actions look like those of someone who was interested in protecting the president and his

party, and that doesn't work. >> reporter: both speaker ryan and the white house standing by the chairman. >> i think he's been fairly open with the press as far as what he was doing, who he spoke to and why. >> reporter: amid ongoing questions about who granted nunes access to white house grounds, who led him to the secure room at the eisenhower executive office building, and who accessed the computer to view the files. democrats are now demanding that those white house visitor logs be made public. so far the trump administration has refused to do so. at the same time we see president trump hitting hard back via twitter, tweeting last night saying he believes the whole russia story is a hoax. also saying and urning members of congress they should investigate the clintons' connection to russia instead. chris. >> an artful distraction. will it work? we'll see. suzanne, thank you very much. president trump's son-in-law jared kushner facing scrutiny

for failing to disclose a meeting he had with russian banger with ties to vladimir putin. kushner preparing to face senate intel committee. sara murray live from the white house with more. what do we know? >> reporter: we know the trump administration would rather not be talking about this. they can't seem to shed the russia controversy and now caught up one of donald trump's closest advisers and a member of his own family. >> reporter: president trump's son-in-law under scrutiny for undisblofd meeti-- undisclosed meeting with the russian banker. this interaction and his role in rang arranging meetings between the trump adviser sergei sy kislyak >> he volunteered, we made

contacts, i'll be glad to explain them. >> reporter: white house insisting acting as liaison when he met with gorkov. >> jared did a job during the transition in the campaign where he was a conduit for leaders before we had a state department and people had a place to go. management repeatedly met with representatives of the world's leading financial institutions including the head of kushner companies, jared kushner. gorkov was appointed to his post at the russian bank by president vladimir putin. it's a bank that's been under u.s. sanctions for three years since russia took over crimea. kushner met with gorkov one month after trump was elected at the insistence of ambassador

kislyak, who kushner met w the head of the intelligence committee confirming they want to talk to kushner saying in a joint statement the timing is still being determined but will only come after the committee dealers that it has received any documents or information necessary to ensure the meeting is productive for all sides. if it happens, kushner would become the first person currently serving in the white house to speak to congressional committee investigating russian ties. >> firestorm previously undisclosed official. as for meeting with russian banking official, the kremlin is saying today they did not know about the meeting until they heard about it. >> sara, what's going on behind you, are you getting kicked out of there? >> who is the loud guy. >> others. >> you don't want to call out any particular person for being the loudmouth. >> the joy of the white house relative humidity. >> needed to check. didn't want to read through

later you had to knock someone out. >> sara, thank you very much. let's discuss all of these developments including russia entanglements or allegations thereof with our panel cnn senior political analyst mark preston. cnn analyst and author of how is your faith david gregory and cnn analyst and "washington post" report maggie phillip. some reporting, learned house intel committee, devin nunes committee, has now officially strapped all the scheduled meetings they had for this week. the intel committee was going to be interviewing people trying to get to the bottom of what these russian connections were. they can't do that because of all the consternation around devin nunes. it sounds like he is now getting in the way of them doing their job. how long it he last? >> for all the committees you hope there wouldn't be a politicization of investigative committee, this is the one you don't want to happen.

a democrat in california, who was on last night on cnn, said she lost all confidence in nunes. very personal thing to say about one of your fellow committee members. can you criticizes somebody for politics, when you get into personalities, shows you how raw this is for democrats and quite frankly nunes who they don't think can lead the committee at this point. >> david, what's your take on how partisan this is? isn't this straight up deception, went around democrats on the committee, went to ryan, checked in with some of his republicans and then went to the white house and gave them some type of political cover. it seems pretty obvious it doesn't have to be a partisan problem, it's just a problem. >> just a straight up problem. if you're head of the intelligence committee and you want to run a straight investigation into a very serious matter that's being looked at on the senate side as well, you don't do this. somebody on the transition team, any of these committees are subject to politics. there are politicians involved

there, not independent actors. even those can have political overtones as well. this is just a way to undermine any serious work that this committee is doing. he absolutely should know better. he had a different motive in mind here. so now if you wanted to give to the democrats to have a select committee or independent committee or counsel for that matter, devin nunes handed that to him on a platter. i think what really ends up happening, and this goes to kushner issue as well, the senate takes over this investigation. that does not appear to be compromise. i don't think republicans want to create a select committee or have an independent counsel but certainly nunes did a lot to help the democrats cause. >> abbey, help us understand what he did here. he went to the white house. said he had to go because there are only certain cases you can view classified information. you know, correct me if i'm

wrong president bush set up prism program that captured, collected this data, communications with a foreign leader and where somebody might incidentally, an american, be caught up in a phone call or some sort of communications. but devin nunes seemed confused about what he was seeing. he still seems confused about what he saw. he wasn't able to sort of categorize what he said. it had something to do with russia. beyond that it was unclear what he was looking at. where are we with the substance of this? >> yeah, that's a really good point. one of the most puzzling parts about how this was handled devin nunes decided to hold a press conference and briefed the president on incomplete information, information that he himself does not seem to fully understand or be able to contextualize. that is very confusing and puzzling and doesn't seem to help trump if that was even his motive. one of the problems with this whole series of events is also what devin nunes has said publicly.

he talked about the political heat the president was taking and feeling that was unfair and he felt he needed to act. as chairman of intelligence committee that's not his main motivation or shouldn't be. it isn't to take off the political heat from the person you're investigating. all of these things, both his actions and his words are leading to a sense that he doesn't have a full handle on the situation and that maybe he's trying to help the president or trying to ease the political pressure on the president at a time when he's supposed to be in a watchdog mode doing forward with this investigation hand in hand with his democrat colleagues in order to make it as impartial as possible. >> we'll see what happens with nunes. some are asking him to recuse himself, a la jeff sessions. others saying he should get off all together. this has still been effective. the idea of russian interference into our election, and any

potential connections that are untoward with trump has turned into, who is unmaersking these sources? what's all this toxic leaking going on. that wasn't part of the mandate. now on equal footing with anything else they are looking at and taking away with time spent on the questions. >> i agree with you. it's the impression four associates, whether former or current or very close in their family testifying on capitol hill. >> not even testifying. kushner offered to speak to him, not testify. he's not saying i'll raise my hand and have my words bonded by an oath. >> a few of them testifying. a couple of them on capitol hill. nunes could have avoided all this if he had just picked up the phone and called adam schiff, the ranking democrat saying i got a phone call, you need to come down here and we need to look at this together. >> why would he do that? he wants to give cover to the white house with this clumsy hollow claim that president obama committed a felony and

wiretapped him. why would he do that? he's trying to give him political cover. he did exactly that and only that. >> i think you're being kind saying it was clumsy. there are probably worse terms you could use to adequately explain that he did. >> i'm known for my discretion. >> and his word wizardry. david, how significant is this jared development that he met or a representative met with russian officials, a banker three times? >> well, we don't know. that's what the intelligence committee has to find out. there are a couple of things striking about this. why is this just coming out now? the white house when it got caught up in all this earlier made some show about reporting out all the contacts they had, except for this one. it shows when the president thinks this is all a joke, he treats it like a joke, tweets like a hoax, doesn't take the

manipulation of the election seriously. he thinks it's undermining him, allowing his ego to get in the way rather than protecting the office. why should anybody comply with the demands of this investigation. so the white house has been sloppy at the very least about all of this, which is not to say these are necessarily inappropriate. however, you cannot just say, as sean spicer routinely does, jared kushner met with lots of people. he's a liaison on the campaign. russia is different. i don't care whether trump says it's not, it's different. they demonstrably try to manipulate united states election. they will do so in other elections. they have been up to no good for a long time. this is not business as usual. any incoming administration should have treated russia as such. this one did not. now we've got a drip, drip, drip. again, whatever your political leadings, you ought to be able to get to the bottom of whatever they tried to do. not because it influenced the outcome, not because it

determined the outcome but because the russians tried. whether you're a populist that supports trump or democrats you want to get to the bottom of this. >> i would argue they succeeded. if what they wanted was to disrupt democratic process, look what ensued. >> debate necessarily determine the outcome but certainly the manipulation succeeded. >> fair point. ab abby, dick cheney called it an act of war, in the flit cal sphere, latest turn about in play, while the white house is very soft with russia, russia came out and said we didn't know about any meeting between a banker and jared kushner. by the way, when they did acknowledge the meeting coming out of the kremlin, the banker referred to kushner as head of kushner development, not white house, which was, again, another jab this was somehow a conflict. >> yeah. the russians have been playing this game i think a little bit more of a sophisticated way than

the white house. they understand that they have long-term goals here, which include just creating a section of chaos and undermining the political system, undermining the trust in our government. that's where they are going with this. the difference between russia and some other country isn't just that it's russia. it isn't just the human rise complaints, it isn't just the sort of treatment of political dissidents, it's also they were at the time either about to or under sanctions. the white house, you know, the trump transition was not handling russia in a way that was consistent with someone who was being sanctioned by the united states. that could be one of the cruxes of the potential problems going forward for them. >> abby, david, mark, thank you very much for all of those insights. well, the woman we were just talking about who wants

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committee has scrapped all meetings this week. why? because they are in partisan disarray. that's why. because the chair of the committee devin nunes does not have confidence of democrats on that committee so all its work has stalled. some democrats are calling for the committee chair to recuse himself at least from the panel's investigation. others saying he has to step down from the committee entirely. one such lawmaker democratic congresswoman jackie speier, a member of the intel committee. thank you for joining us. my understanding is that last night you thought you were going to get to see some of the there there, some of these documents nunes is talking about but you didn't. what happened? >> well, we have not received any of the documents.

it may be weeks before we do. the interesting thing, chris, if he, in fact, looked at these documents on the committee in the executive office building, there are computers in the skiff that we could have looked at the same documentation. they clearly don't want us to know about the leak, someone in the administration. >> you have to have doubts because we don't know yet. there's a lot being withheld from nunes as far as the procedure, who helped him get into the white house, who helped him get into the computer. there's a lot of process that could reveal where it was coming from he's not been forthcoming. that leads to the point of democrat distress. do you trust nunes? >> well, he has violated the first principle of doing an investigati investigation. it has to be independent. if you become a white house

whisperer, you are not independent. anything he told the president, frankly, and not telling ranking member, it violates one of the first preaccepts of a committee supposed to be bipartisan, supposed to be working together in an investigation of the white hou house. this all started to explode last week after director comey said not only is he doing an investigation but he's doing an investigation with the russian connections with the trump campaign. that was the first time that had come out. that was very explosive. originally it was just looking at the russians meddling in our election process. so the whole tenor of the committee changed dramatically after we had that hearing. then all of a sudden there was a cancellation of our hearing today, a hearing that should be something the american people have an opportunity to hear about the russians plans, intentions, how they operate, how they are able to pull all this off. >> how they did it, what we can

learn from it, how it can be avoided. that's all distracted in terms of unmaersking and nunes drama. again, given just said, do you trust nunes? >> i don't trust him. i think he's a very nice man. i think he is frankly over his head. i think he used very poor judgment. i think he has tainted the committee. i actually think there is an effort under way to shut this committee down by the president. he does not want this committee's investigation to move forward. if he can knock us off, he's only got to find a way to knock off the senate investigation. >> i mean, look, that's obvious, right? he's been tweeting, the president of the united states, really what you should be looking at jackie speier is clintons and their russian associations. he's directing people to watch a different morning show this morning to hear about the clintons and money and john podesta. his intentions are clear, he

doesn't want the spotlight on him. that shouldn't be a main interest of yours if you want to get to the truth but what do you do now? should nunes step down? should he just recuse himself? what are you asking for? >> i'm asking for him to step down. in the interest of what we all care about, which is integrity of intelligence community and integrity of our electoral process. i don't think that he can just recuse himself and still chair the committee. we operate in very close quarters. he is the chair. so if he says something to one of his staffers, like how is this going? what's happening here? they are going to be very loathe to not respond to him. i think the writing is on the wall. this might make a good spy novel, it doesn't make a good investigation. >> what do you think of this? you should leave this to the fbi, the questions of any type of inappropriate contacts or points of combination between trump staff or officials and russia vis-a-vis any

interference. it's going to be partisan. you'll never escape it. there is too much invested in the current president now. he will fight it. lawmakers do not have the jurisdiction. they do not have the same powers fbi and doj do. leave it to them. you should take a look at questions you can handle without partisan stain about what to do because of this. maybe something about leaked protocols and just stick to that. >> well, in truth, they have a different role within the fbi and department of justice. they are looking to determine whether or not there are criminal acts that have taken place by u.s. persons, and we're looking more from a perspective of to what extent our intelligence is being challenged, to what extent our electoral system is being challenged that needs legislative remedy. there's a whole question as to whether or not we have an electoral process that is safe, that we can count on it. do we have to go back to hand

counting of ballots. do we need paper trails. many of these electronic systems don't have paper trails. all of that is part and parcel of this investigation that we're charged to do. >> but it's shut down right now. >> that's right. >> because of what happened with nunes. so what is the way forward? >> the way forward in my view -- in fact, the majority of republicans in the house want to have a fair and objective process moving forward, they need to replace devin nunes. >> ryan just said he has complete confidence and faith in nunes that he's doing a fair and credible job. they are not going to replace nunes. >> that's always the first statement that suggests they are about to change. >> is that how it works? if they say something nice about the guy he's done? that's how you see it. >> that's oftentimes the case, let me just say that. >> listen, we're all very interested in this because there are fundamental questions about the security of our democracy and we'll be watching on this.

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>> is that russian investigation compromised? joining us two former members of the committee, jane harmon, one-time democratic congresswoman from california, director and president and ceo of wilson senator and former michigan congressman and chairman -- republican chairman of the intel committee, now president of global strategies. great to have both of you here with all of your vast experience in congress and on the intel committ committee. congressman, do you think devin nunes can still do his job?

>> absolutely. it's great to be on with jane. not only were we both in congress, we were there at the same time. jane was the lead democrat when i was chairman of the committee. so it's good to be with jane. absolutely. devin nunes is going to stay as chairman of the committee. you know, there were times when i might have gone and had some meetings that jane wasn't a part of. jane would have done the same thing but we always had a great relationship, a personal relationship together to do our professional work. >> i hear you, but if you had gotten some sort of information that jane wasn't privy to, would you then have run to the president, who may have been the subject of your committee investigation? >> no. >> to tell him about that information? >> i'm not sure this investigation is about the president. this may be things that happened to the president and they would demonstrate -- i think listening to devin's comments, these demonstrate abuse by the intelligence community in the way that they handled certain

types of information and the masking of american individuals. if it were misbehavior, potentially illegal activity by the intelligence community, i probably would have taken the step and briefed the president, because these people work for him. >> sure. let's be clear, devin nunes said he didn't see anything illegal. congresswoman, what do you see transpiring here? >> a couple of things here. pete and i were and are close friends. we together co-authored the intelligence reform law that created the director of national intelligence, dni in 2004. that was a heavy lift for each of us and we worked closely together. that was when the dmt was great and it was great after that. now it's fractured. i think nunes made a terrible mistake by not sharing the falk that he was told about information with adam schiff.

i had adam schiff's old job back in the day. i think pete would have shared it with me and i would have shared it with him. i think the better move forward is for him to recuse himself. he can do it voluntarily. for someone else on the republican side of the committee to take over this investigation. i agree with pete. it ought to be about leaks as much as it is about russian ties. it ought to be about everything. for it to be credible and our investigations were pretty darn credible, both sides have to trust each other and i don't see how it can happen in that secret meeting. >> there you go. congressman, how do you get past that? how do you get past the idea he did not share the information with his democratic counterpart and instead went to the press and the president? >> i think what devin has done is devin has seen the information. i don't believe devin has access to the information. i believe that the nsa is actually today or the next couple of days going to be delivering those materials to the committee when the information comes to the committee, the republican staff

and the democrat staff will have equal access to that information. they will go through it. there will be times when they are going enthusiastic it separately. there will be times when they are going through it together. >> you don't think he had the responsibility to share it with his democratic colleagues. >> i don't think at the point in time, i don't think devin actually ever had possession of the documents that he could have shared it. he could have shared the overall outline of what was in those documents. i think he's done that with the democrats and the rest of the committee. >> congresswoman, go ahead. >> he could have said, no, i'm not taking this meeting solo. i'm going to alert my democratic counterpart. it could have been in reverse if adam were the chairman. he could have called devin and said i want to do this together. i think pete or i would have done it that way. that would eliminate the doubt here. it's not just possession but a preview given to one side of classified information. i'm glad the full committee or at least the committee will be

briefed, whatever it is, going to the white house and going public before you've eastbound told your ranking member makes it impossible for him to persuade the american public including in congress and outside, impartial. >> pete, is she right? would you have gone to her together and say let's go over there together. >> yes, he would. yes, he would. i know him. >> i've talked about this. we just had the discussion yesterday with someone. jane wasn't there. pete, you would have had a huge price to pay if you would have gone somewhere and hadn't told jane about it. it's the kind of -- it's the relationship jane and i had built over years. congress is a different place in 2017. it's different than how jane and i worked and how congress worked in 2004, 2005, and 2006.

>> that's a shame. devin nunes and adam schiff said they had a very good working relationship before this. they had done lots on a bipartisan level. this was out of character. it makes people think that devin nunes allegiance lies with the white house and not with his committee. >> i know devin pretty well. he and i have talked. i know his allegiance is to the committee. i'll tell you, being chairman of the committee, the intelligence committee, is probably one of the best jobs in congress. you're put there because your leadership has selected you to be there. you know this is not a responsibility to a political party, to your caucus, this is a responsibility to the american people, because as chairman, as the ranking member, you're part of the gang of eight. you see stuff that very few people in the country ever see. >> so congresswoman, just the final point, ten seconds, you believe he should step down as chairman? >> i think he should voluntarily

recuse himself from this investigation. it's up to the house leadership whether he stays as chairman. there are very good alternative on the committee, second in line chairs a different committee. i don't think he can do it. third in line is pete king who used to chair house homeland committee very fairly. i served on that committee with him as chairman. >> okay. thank you very much. thank you for having this old home week here on "new day." great to see both of you. >> thank you. >> chris. >> all right. so you have political warfare at home but you have real warfare abroad. the battle for mosul is claiming hundreds of lives. many of them civilian lives in just the last month. cnn's arwa damon in the danger zone. you're going to get to see the reality of war next. no matter how the markets change... at t. rowe price... a. global markets may be uncertain... but you can feel confident in our investment experience around the world. call us or your advisor... t. rowe price. invest with confidence.

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pref all right. so the toll of usair strike, over 110 bodies recovered, civilian bodies. both u.s. and iraqi military investigating trying to determine what went wrong but this is active warfare going on in mosul, a place that has been historically difficult to control. that reality brought to you in very sharp ways by arwa damon caught in the crossfire of a dangerous situation in mosul. she filed this report just moments ago. >> reporter: we're a couple of neighborhoods away from where the majority of the incidents that are being investigated by

both the u.s.-led coalition and iraquis took place. but just being here you get a little bit of an idea of the intensity of the battle but also the widespread destruction. that crater right there presumably caused by an airstrike. it could possibly have been caused by suicide car or truck bomb. the fighting much more intense in this denies ipacked section of the city, the destruction in western mosul a lot more widespread than it was. you also have a lot of narrow alley ways they capital go down, isis fighters able to enfrench themselves. civilians here, this is chilling to think about, they weren't able to leave even though iraqi government did on the one hand encourage them to stay, had they chosen to load they wouldn't have been able to because isis has been using civilian population as human shields.

in an effort to protect themselves, a lot of families would pack into a home. there have been significant human casualties, u.n. human rights chief put out a statement saying more than 300 people killed from the 17th of march to the 22nd of march. one woman we spoke to, that sound mortars fired by iraquis overhead fired by frontline of mosul at this stage. as i was saying, the civilians aren't able to leave. one woman we did see said she stayed behind because the day before the neighborhood was liberated, she said isis came and took her husband away. now she's waiting hoping he's somehow going to come back home. the tragedy of all of this is not just in the destruction, the physical destruction that has

been caused to this city, it is also even more so in the unspeakable tragedies being suffered by the civilian population. arwa dallon, cnn, mosul, iraq. >> arwa's reporting is so critical of our understanding of what's going on in mosul. even though it is dangerous and dicey where she is. she's taking precautions. >> that's the nature of covering war. many people aren't aware of how real and every day the circumstances are there. you're only hearing whispers of reality of american boots on the ground, a little bit more in syria, a little bit more in iraq to help them fight but only in a support category. people at war, they are going to be in a field of fire, there's going to be negative outcomes and people have to get ready for it. >> switching gears, it's time for "cnnmoney" now. wall street is keeping a close eye on washington. investors appear to be growing nervous. what are you seeing? >> looks like an ugly losing

streak could continue. global markets higher but u.s. futures are down. they just turned lower after slim gains earlier this morning. less than two hours to go before markets open here. the dow down eight days in a row. that's the longest streak, losing streak, since 2011. that's when a debt ceiling spike investors. the worries this time, too, coming right out of washington. stocks soared to record highs on prospects of tax reform and deregulation so the failure of the health care bill through trump's -- trump's legislative agenda. the question hit the pause on what has been stellar gains since the election. there's some perspective for you. dow up 12.5% since november. nasdaq up 13 points, s&p 500 up about 9%. the only story on wall street is trump agenda, will congress cut rates first, by how much, relief to middle class taxpayers and how much. steven mnuchin working on a complete tax overhaul for two

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he has spent 21 of 68 days visiting trump branded properties. by comparison obama -- and that ease because trump also targeted obama for being captain vacation. he played golf more than 300 times. his first round didn't come until late april of his first term. so the point is trump is on pace there to go much more. but it doesn't matter. let's discuss what the real issue is. who cares? president's golf. but it is where he's golfing and what goes on now that it is common custom to show up at mar march ra la go. that's where the conflicts come in, right? >> that's right. the question will be the people he's interacting with are people

that have already paid him money. so we'll be looking to see if those people are getting special deals, if they're lobbying of president trump produces the results his companies want. it is also a huge security concern and a spy guy. so many people are around the president when he's having these discussions about national security. who are they? have they been compromised. >> we remember the photos of him looking at documents about the north korean missile launch and people were taking picturing of it. the question is there for we want to know who is going to march ra la go. we want to know who is on the list at dinner. and the push back is it is a private club. you get nothing. what do you say? >> chris, good morning. thanks for having me. it is not right that donald

trump is using his properties as an extension -- it is like he is doing a giant infomercial at the expense of the taxpayers and the taxpayers are entitled to know. he hasn't even put up the white house visitor record, chris. there is a holding page. obama put up millions so people could know who is coming and going from the white house. trump calls march ra la go the winter white house. his abuse of the presidency at a cost of tens of millions of dollars to the american taxpayer to subsidize donald trump's advertisements for his clubs is like nothing we have ever seen before in the presidency. and i think it's a part and parcel of the contempt for law that's got him into all this russia-gate trouble. >> but there is a different

take, which is the ambassador is right. we have never seen this before. he is a big businessman. he owns these places or has ownership slices in them. he lives differently. people knew this. they voted in part because of his largeness and celebrity. this is what they got. it's baked in. >> now we're talking about a political question, rather than ethical question. people understood this is how he lived. these are his golf clubs. but politically this is more palatable for voters, the time and distraction for all this, if he was doing what he said he would do. if he was out there accomplishing all the great deels, making all the changes he promised, helping people get his jobs back, i don't think people would care. but if he is instead spending all this time and taxpayer money at his golf clubs, that has a higher political cost.

>> norman, it is a fair enough point to say there is by logical extension what leads into this russian inquiry. president trump has been tweeting about that some obvious modes of distraction. you should be focussing on the clintons and poe december sta. do you buy that? >> the media has caught on we can't chase the latest trump bright shiny object. he's in the white house, except for a fact about a third of the time he's in one of his properties. he's the president. he's got to be held accountable. we need to ask the question. again, it comes back to the conflicts. we can't vet his conflicts because we don't have his tax returns. we need to know what did the president know, when did he know it and what are his own financial ties to russia. that's an unimportant unvetted

conflict because we do not have his tax returns. it is not just political. it's legal because the constitution prohibits a president, fearing just this situation. it prohibits a president from getting compensation beyond his set salary. at some points these millions of dollars the united states are spending for president trump to advertise his properties, he's so blah tant about it, chris, that runs afoul of that constitutional provisions. >> sticky question. last question to you, save, is that jared kushner, he said he'll go and talk to lawmakers about this. he did not say he would testify. but what do you make of nondisclosure of the meetings with the russian ranker, the russians saying they didn't know about this meeting, the