>> i believe that voodo is a religion of nature, the religion of love and the religion of the future. los angeles is my home and the epicenter of the church of scientology. i live within walking distance

of four scientology sent rbz and i've heard everything you have heard. a cult, scam, science fiction disguised as self help, disguised as religion. those that reject the religion and everything it stands for. >> tonight the documentary that scientology does not want you to see. >> we talk about the prison camps. >> it's run like a paramilitary organization. >> but there are other voices you haven't heard from. those who left the church but continue to pract this is religion. those who are seizing for themselves the power to define one of the newest faiths. i'm traveling the world to visit the referimation of the church of scientology. >> an author, a scholar. >> he's a scholar of religion.

>> a muslim, an american. what's your reaction. i've been studying the world's religions for 20 years and now i'm going to live them. >> i have a confession to make. i have a soft spot for scientology. as a scholar, i'm fascinated by new american religions and whatever else you think about scientology, it is arguably the most successful new american religion of the 20th century. yvl rr read the books, i've seen the movies. i'm familiar with the allegations of corruption and abuse. and i don't discount them. though i will say if corruption and abuse disqualified you from being a religion there would be

no religion. my scholarly interest in scientology gets me labelled as an appallgist for the religion and i do often find myism is defending scientology at dinner parties. yeah, i'm that guy. >> do you consider ron hubbard to be -- he wrielts there was an intergalactic emperor named zeenue. >> it's based on science fiction. >> so was lot of the bible. if there were such thing as investigative reporters 2000 years ago in the gal le, there would be no such thing as christianity. i want lawrence write to go how many people did you feed with how many loaves?

because arab said he himself brought 12 loaves. really the difference between a religion and a cult tends to be how long it lasts. cris christianity was a cult fo years. >> i want to jump in and say something. >> when i decided i was going to do an episode on scientology, i reached out to the church. i wanted them to be a part of it. it's basically an exploration of religious faiths from the perspective of believers. i left a message previously, also sent you an email. i really do want to represent the voice of the church but i do need someone who's willing to speak with me about it. answer the phone. why won't anybody talk to me?

unfortunately nobody from the church of scientology want to be a part of this show. and would you put scientology in the same category asulger religions? >> absolutely. it's the example of an american-born religion. the religion of scientology came after the mental health movement of dinettics. it wpublished by ron l. hubbard. he thought that all the traumas you have are stored into the reactive mind. it's a technique that

specifically addressed those traumas and he has clear and full possession of your analytical mind. >> so auditing is the way you get clear. >> exactly. but as people were looking farther and farther into their own personal history, they found they could go back to the womb and they went back even farther to past lives and he realized he was on to something that translated to religion. >> so that indicated to him that these end grams are stamped in the soul? >> he called it satan, which is basically the same thing. the soul that transmigrates body to body, looif time to lifetime. >> according to scientology we are all eternal souls with infinite lifetimes and we've picked up traumas that we still carry with us and effect our behavior. the way to clear these traumas

is through auditing. so, hubbard is dead. and when a profit dies, one of his followers take over. so in this case it's david savage. people keep saying he's changing the religion. >> this goes to a very important concept and the technology of scientology. the tech of scientology refers to the canon that hubbard created as well as to its correct and pure application. the name of the game is to keep pure the tech of elron hubbard. so he's essentially interpreting the text. it's a dispute of who gets to say what hubbard really said? >> who has the authority to

define the faith? all of this stuff is very familiar. >> absolutely. >> over the last few years this argument over who controls scientology and how to practice it has led to a number of schisms and break away groups. i've travelled halfway around the world to israel to visit one of these groups. if you want to start your own scientology mission you have to first pay the church an up front fee for its trademark and then you pay for the right to license its material. the auditing, the training manuals, etc. and then you would pay the church a portion of the fees,

about 10%. it's kind of like a mcdonald's. imagine if your local mcdonald's decided one day it didn't want anything to do with the corporation anymore, that had failed in meeting certain expectations of its customers and was going to become independent? it would still sell big macs, use the secret sauce but not have anything to do with the corporation any longer. that's what's happened here. the drawer mission started for people becoming odd auditors. t of it as spiritual counseling with the help of a machine. an auditor administers a very distinct set decreed by hubbard

himself. they both road to enormous heights in the church of scientology. she was the highest rated auditor in the world two years running and danny was instrumental in bringing scientology to israel but they became disaffected by the church's actions and started a scientology center 90 miles north of israel. you're one of the top auditors in the world. what happened? how did you go from this loyalty to the church to suddenly beginning to change and think differently about it? >> in the '70s and '80s and end of the '90s, beginning of the 2000s, the pressure from upper management was more and more and more.

>> pressure for what? >> money. they want to do donation evenings, fund raising evenings. we didn't like that. you cannot audit this way, you have to audit that way. >> they change technology all the time. i wrote many letters. i said dear sir, some things i don't agree with and on 28 june 2012 we were approached by this lady and she handed us an envelope i knew what it was. a letter telling us we had been declared an s.p. >> be dg claired a suppressive person is akin to being excumuneicated. you're cut off from the church and its members. however, because the church of scientology claims trademark on material used to practice the

religion but the future of the drawer group in jeopardy. of course the church claims to have a copyright. >> can you imagine a copyright on a religion? >> that's what they say. they say you were in violation of their copyright. >> they asked tuse burn all the old books. but we did this research and found out all the technology, it's all available. >> all the materials are available on the internet. >> so you could actually access this material. you feel what doing is more what l.r.s. intended? the pure version? >> absolutely. this is the true version.

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authority defined by the church inte interpret it, to individualize it, should sound familiar. the roman catholic church was the sole interpreter of cris e christiani christianity, but a sense that the church was becoming greedy drove a rebellious group of christians to break off from the church to begin to interpret the faith for themselves. the protestant referimation as it became known swept through europe and dozens of church, methodist, all were founded with their singular interpretation of what it meant to be christian. i'm on my way to meet tray lot.

he joined the church of scientology in 1969 and became one of the top auditors. in fact he achieved o.t. 8 status. o.t. 8 or operating tech 8 is the highest level a scientologist can reach in what l. ron hubbard called the road to freedom. it's a kind of god-like status that only a few scientologistests have ever achieved. and then suddenly he was declared a suppressive person. but he is still a devout believer in scientology. in fact he continues to make a living auditing people out of his house, just a stone throw away from the church. which is kind of funny. it's a little bit like if a

catholic cardinal was excumuneicated and decided to live next to the vatican and hear confessions. how exactly did you come into confrontation with the church? >> the whole environment became a lot more controlled and restricted. i think it was just part of a general trend of cracking down on independent people and getting rid of old timers. >> did they actually ever charge you with anything? >> they said i was making stuff up which i didn't think was true. mostly they wanted to run control on everybody. so you lost? >> i got kicked out and once i looked around and realized it was nicer out here, i decided to stay. >> now the people that you were

auditing in the church, when they found out you had been excumuneicated thought i had better -- and you just kept going. >> no problem. like two years ago i did more hours than i'd done in 43 years. >> i'm curious. have you had past life experiences? >> oh, yeah. sure. my first auditing session i had my eyes closed and i froze. it felt absolutely real. >> i can still feel it. >> and how many have you had since then? >> a pretty good grasp of the 1800s back to the 1700s and early lifetimes, things like that. >> when you pass from this

lifetime, what happens then? your satan has accumulated all of this knowledge. are you reborn a scientologist? >> you're reborn as yourself and one of the goals of auditing is giving a person more control over what happens to them after he leaves the body, before he gets his new body. so you will remain conscious. >> you ever get a chance to meet hubbard? >> i was on the apollo, the original flagship and i walked out on this cat walk and around the corner come hubbard and his two aids. he said hi. in that instant it's like i was looking into outer space and i'd looked into the eyes of many people. 4/5,000 hours of auditing at that point.

there was a life of life in it it, a lot of vitality in it. since hubbard passed, there's a big cultural change in the church. it's become less kind, less flexible. >> seems like you got a lot of emotion involved with the state of the church. are you confident about the future of scientology, not the church, the religion? >> oh, yeah. there will be people who want to be trained outside of church and to help people and apply it the way it's designed to be applied. or here. even here. and definitely here. at fidelity, we're available 24/7 to make retirement planning simpler. we let you know where you stand, so when it comes to your retirement plan, you'll always be absolutely...clear.

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many of them -- this is really the first time they've come out of the closet and they know the risks of it. they understand what they're doing could get them into a heap of trouble with the church and yet they want to speak out. and these aren't just critics of the church. they're not what the church would refer to as apostates.

they're very devout believers, making enormous sacrifices for their faiths. randy and tim were once two of the church's best trainers of auditors. one claims to be the only authorized to train auditors, after they were excommunicated, they decided to continue to train people to be auditors but outside of the church. they've agreed to take me through some of the training exercises they do with their students. these are ones that hubbard himself created. >> yes. we're going to start with tr 0 which is confronting. have the student in proach sit in front of each other and sit and do nothing.

>> as you advance in scientology, you are no longer controlled by the world. you are in control. this exercise is all about learning to control one's body and mind in relation to another person. normally this exercise can last hours. >> i can't imagine doing flat hours. >> next we're going to get over certain things that might trigger you fw you're in an auditing session. ready? start. you're not originally from this country, are you? what boat did you come over on? you didn't come over on a boat. you probably flew. you're one of those fancy rich

kids that's got the fly over here, right? what makes you think you could write a book on jesus of nazareth? you're a muslim man. are you resisting reacting? are you trying hard not to react to anything i say? move, move, move. good. okay. that's it. >> okay. i have to say i feel like you were kind of ieasy. >> i get rough. >> let's try. >> well, feeling a little awkward. because i don't want to say anything mean. >> pull out all the staums.

tr 0 start. randy. does the church know where you live? you think rh is proud of you? >> not proud of you. he thinks you're a baste. he would probably smack you in the face. it's science fiction. it's not even a religion. you believe in zenu? you know everyone's making fun of you about that, right? this zenu [ bleep] okay. m training. >> i want to hug you. i didn't mean any of that. >> i know. >> i really didn't. >> are you concerned about the church's attacks against. >> i'm concerned about it. >> do you feel as if this interview might change you? >> it might.

>> how does that make you feel? >> i was actually working undercover for the intelligence arm of the church. >> you were a church spy? >> i was. infiltrate a meeting of independent scientologists. i was sent to take names. for 30 years one of the top auditors as in the l.a. area. i later reported back to my handler and i said do you know that tray lots is with these guys and they said oh, yeah, he's a suppressive person. he's been declared. well, this is what started waking me up. i better check this out because it doesn't make sense.

>> do you feel as though which church was taken away? >> oh, yeah. he said why don't you just start auditing again. >> anyone can leave the church if they want to. >> what if you have a daughter or son on staff? >> she disconnected him when they left. >> have you tried to reach out to her? >> sure. it's a wasted effort. you say you got declared, that's it. the ax is falling. >> did you introduce her to scientology? >> sure. i've been a sicientologiest sine before she was born. >> did you know that was going to happen? >> yes. >> can i ask why you felt it

was, considering the consequences? >> i have to say it was supportive integrity. i couldn't be in the organization and see the things i saw and not know there was something wrong. what's more importedant? that or some personal pain and discomfort. and i chose religious aspects as being more important.

tray lots actually agreed to audit me on camera. as far as i can tell this is the first time an auditing session has been filmed for mainstream american television. central to the auditing experience is the e meter. this is a simple lie detecter many believe helps the auditor pinpoint the areas of trauma below our consciousness. it runs from two metal cans into

your body and back to the machine. every movement of the needle means something specific to the auditor who's been trained, in some cases for decades, to interpret it in relation to the person's state. i have to say i'm kind of nervous. if auditing is basically a kind of psycho therapy, not sure how i'm going to react or what that's going to dig up. a little bit nerve racking. >> leave those pillows there. >> i'm going to have you pick up

the cans. see if they're comfortable for your hand size. >> what is it that you have your attention on a lot? or what areas would you want to improve? >> i have a difficult time expressing sadness. when i'm sad or emotionally h t hurt, i respond with anger. definitely the worst quality that i have i think. >> probably the first thing that would be good tootoo is run processes that have to do with opening up. one of the primary techniques is a repetitive process. might give you the question or command and i acknowledge it and give it to you again. a release would be on the meter

it would show up as a free needle. the needle goes like this. it might feel a lightness or an uptone that would occur or expansion of your space. the command is what isn't looking at you. >> what isn't looking at me? >> yeah. >> my dad. my dad's not looking at me. >> okay. good. >> what is he looking at? >> my family everybody who's not in this room. >> what isn't looking at you? >> the world.

how you doing on that one? >> good. yeah. >> coons are these buddhist riddles. it's a question without an answer. the fact it doesn't have an answer forces you to dig deep and whatever you come up with is what's important. >> we do some of those. there isn't anything wrong with my emotions. there is something wrong with my emotions. there isn't anything wrong with my emotions. >> sounded like we were zeroing in on a feeling over and over and over again.

until it's just didn't really have any poetancy. >> get the idea there's something wrong with my mind. get the idea there's nothing wrong with my mind. get the idea it's safe here. get the idea there isn't anything wrong with me. there isn't something wrong with my emotions. get the idea there's something wrong with my emotions. >> i would try -- i was trying to get the floweding and i couldn't do it. >> get the idea there isn't anything wrong with my emotions. >> and i would give up trying and forget about it and slowly it would happen.

>> i kept seeing myself turn into the incredible hulk. and then it became harder and harder to maintain that image. >> you've released certain things and that means there's potential for expansion or undue pattern so just be there with it and let it unfold. >> it's not like i came in here sad about anything particular but i feel a little more uptone. as they would say. i feel uptone. yeah. i feel better. >> a little bit tingly. estate pn including wills or a living trust that grows along with you and your family. legalzoom. legal help is here. but when we brought our daughter home, that was it. now i have nicoderm cq.

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in reno, nevada there's an auditor that leads a group of independent scientologistests that call themselves the free zoners. most have moved to reno to be closer to ray. he's much different than other scientologists. he's taking it further. he's innovating. his version of scientology is evolving. it's becoming something new. >> i joined the church 1969. when i got in didn't have much money. but i was able to buy a meter

and 25 bucks an hour. and hubbard retired. they kept doubling the money. i paid $750. now it costs $750, something like that. >> is that around the time you decided to leave? >> i didn't leave until 1990. a lot of people left because they didn't like what was going on. they didn't like the new materi material. i've been active 20 years in, 20 years out. >> do you feel more connected with hubbard? >> no, we have two different purposes. i think his purpose was to help manki mankind, which he did and my

purpose line, which i recalled in between life, my mission is to master this technology to export it to other realms, places, planets. i haven't been here that long, a few lifetimes. this is my last reincarnation on earth. i don't belong here. after this side. anytime you master something, you got it. >> to master it, to develop it, to better it. innovating a little bit. >> and i'm rediscovering things that have been lost. >> no church wants improvising. >> that's why i don't belong to any church. >> that's the exciting thing about being any kind of reformer is you're no longer bound by the

rules of the church. you can innovate and sink rus it and borrow. ray has agreed to give me a brief auditing session. his own take on a high-level scientology process that's rarely performed. this is called super power run down series. >> yeah. these techniques i'm going to give you are not used anywhere. >> in the church? >> no. after we do it you will see why. pick up the cans there. i want you to assume the viewpoint you that personally have no limits. >> i can do that. >> very good. how does that feel? >> i feel like -- okay. i've got a viewpoint. >> close your eyes on these. get the idea of mankind assuming the viewpoint of no limits.

now get the idea of you causing all mankind to assume the viewpoint of no limits. you caused it. now get the idea of whatever you think god is or the divine, assuming the viewpoint of no limits. get the idea of you causing the divine spirit of us all or god, whoever you think it is. that's you causing that to have no limits. take a deep breath. let it out. end of session. how's that feel? >> energizing. >> yeah. >> ray thinks of himself as not just innovating but improving upon lrh and the church. there was this moment where he was talking about how his bridge is different from the church's bridge. the church has eight o.t. levels. and he has nine.

so he's literally one-upped the church. you first get through the bridge and then you can do the higher, perhaps more -- >> manifesting, telepathic, all these powerful things that sorcerers do or whatever, have done. >> so in a sense you feel as though you're unearthing this stuff that was there. >> there is this thing hubbard called milestone one. he says when you reach milestone one, you will be free from scientology and from me. >> hmm. >> i'm at milestone three. >> i hear that kind of talk a lot. from mystics who will say for those of us who have broken free we abide by a different set of rules. do you sometimes think about it that way? >> i am that way. definitely. transcended. ♪

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♪ most thinking people can differentiate between a church and its believers. when the catholic church was embroiled in the pedophilia scandal most people were able to separate the vatican and the

bureaucracy from the little old lady who goes to church on sunday to pray for her grandchildren's health. why then is it so difficult for many people to differentiate between the church of scientology and the religion of scientology? religious institutions want to present themselves as the sole arbiters of the faith. but that's not any more true about scientology than it is about any other religion. and there's no better proof of this than the independent scientology movement, this reformation of scientology. >> you know, recently some films were made about scientology exposing all the bad things in the scientology organization. exposing, you mow, whistleblowing. it's so important. but they ask the question why intelligent people in this place seeing horrible things happening and still staying there and not leaving. and that's how the word scientology became a bad word. you know?

scientology meant knowing how to know. but if they realize that there is so much in scientology which is true and strong and frees people and frees souls, then i think people will follow and the independent field will grow and can become a great, great movement. together with other great movements. >> the more time i spend with these independent scientologists, these free zoners, the more i realize that we are witnessing a scientology reformation. a religion can only expand and grow if individuals feel free to make it their own. that's what's happening here. these independent scientologists believe they are the true believers, that the church has veered off course. that they are the ones remaining true to the original foundations built by l. ron hubbard.

it doesn't matter whether they're right or wrong. what matters is that all religions go through this process, all religions deal with this conflict between individuals and institutions over who has the authority to define a faith. and so maybe that more than anything else proves that scientology is not so different after all. >> i believe in l. ron hubbard. i believe in the truth of what he's done, the sincerity of what he's done. >> i believe the technology that l. ron hubbard developed, his life's work, is what's important. >> i believe it's really not a matter of belief, it's if something works or not. it either works or it doesn't. >> i believe people should be doing scientology with fun and gusto. >> i believe that scientology in the free zone is wonderful. >> i believe very strongly that to be right you don't have to make others wrong.

>> i believe -- no, in fact i am certain of the technology developed by l. ron hubbard is a benefit to mankind. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com [ speaking punjabi ] ♪ [ speaking punjabi ]