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this is gps, the global public square, welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world, i'm fareed za car ra. we'll begin with russia's intervention in america's presidential election. is the congressional investigation on this tainted? does america need a 9/11-type bipartisan commission? we'll ask that commission's chairman, tom king. and jeffrey, the ceo of one of the world's biggest companies, ge, he is an advisor to trump and yet has publicly dissented with some of the president's policies. i will ask him what he makes i of the trump administration and the economy. also, britain officially
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triggered brexit this week amidst fears of a populist sweep of europe. but the center seems to be fighting back. we'll explain. finally, as president trump throws back environmental regulations, a novel idea from other corners on how to save our planet. give nature the same legal status as human beings. but first, here's my take. the recent republican debacle on health care could prove to be an opportunity, you see it's highlighted yet again, the complexity of america's medical system which continues to be by far the most expensive and efficient in the advanced world. but donald trump could actually use the legislative collapse to fix health care if he went back to basics and to his four convictions on the topic which are surprisingly intelligent and consistent. clearly, there is an understandable impulse on the
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right to assume that health care would work more efficiently if it were a free market or a freer market. it's true for most goods and services. but in 1963, the economist kenneth arrow who won a prize offered a simpler explanation as to why markets would not work well in this area. he argued that there was a huge mismatch of power and information between the buyer and the seller. if a salesman tells you to buy a particular television, you can easily choose another or just walk away. if a doctor insists that you need a medicine or procedure, you are far less likely and every advanced economy in the world has implicitly acknowledged this argument because they have all adopted some version of a state directed system for health care. consider the 16 countryings that rank higher than the united states on the conservative, heritage foundation's index of
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economic freedom. all have universal coverage and state driven, guided, or operated systems. hong kong offered considered the most unregulated free market in the world has a british-style government-run system. switzerland, one of the most business-friendly countries has a private insurance system just like the united states, but found that to make it work we had to introduce a mandate, like obamacare. i am particularly struck by the experience of taiwan which canvassed the world for the best ideas before creating the system. it chose medicare for all is angle pair with providers. the results are astonishing. it has achieved some of the best outcoming in the world while paying anl 7% of gdp on health care compared to 17% in the u.s. i asked an economist what lessens they took from the united states. >> you can learn what not to do from the united states rather
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than what to do. >> americans often assume that despite it's costs, american health care provides better services than others. for example, we often hear about the waiting time for chair in other countries. but according to to the common wealth fund, among industrialized countries, the u.s. is in the middle of the pack for wait times behind even the united kingdom. trump has now taken up the call to repeal obamacare. but until recently, health care was actually one of the rare public policy issues on which trump had spoken out consistently for 20 years. in his 2000 book, the america we deserve, he said i'm a conservative on moat issues, but a liberal on one this. we should not hear so many stories of families ruined by health care expenses. we must have universal health care. we need as a nation to re-examine the single payer plan as many individuals states are doing. trump was right on this issue
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for much of his life. he has recently caved to special interests and ideology unmoored by facts. he should simply return to his convictions, reach out to the democrats, and he would help america solve it's health care crisis. for more, go to cnn.com/fareed and read my washington post column this week. and let's get started. this week, the senate intelligence committee held a hearing on the meddling in the u.s. presidential elections. the house investigation is now surrounded by allegations of partisanship, secret deals, and preferential treatment. and there have been called for committee chair devin nunes to recuse himself from the investigation, including from members of his own party. so does the nation need a 9/11-type independent, bipartisan investigation into
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these matters? joining me now is the chair of that 9/11 commission, former new jersey governor and republican saw itward, tom king. what's your simple answer to the question, do we now need a 9/11-style coalition? >> we may need, but i don't think we ought to do it yet. the best way to do it, when you set up a government is to do with a congress. and if the congress can do it, they ought to do it. because kind of independent investigation, you're talking about is mostly time consuming, hard to set up, you know, it takes, as you probably know, sometimes security clearances for members of the commission can take five weeks, six weeks, five months sometimes depending on how difficult it is. it's not good for the country to have the administration under a cloud like this. they have important things to do that we've got to negotiate with russia. how can you negotiate with russia when this kind of a cloud is happening up? >> how do you get rid of the cloud? >> i think you have very
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important bipartisan investigation. rightly so, it should be done with the congress. i would say it ought to be bipartisan and -- >> can the house committee investigate? do you think it's tainted now with what you know? >> yes. >> it is tainted? >> and it's very, very hard to do it. now because people have serious questions, but it's impartiality and the impartiality, you can't operate like that. you have to something of the american people and main taint confidence the american people throughout the investigation. >> so should nunes recuse himself or resign from and this? >> i think that's obviously up to him and up to the house speaker, but to me, i don't to want see three investigations. i don't see the fbi investigation, i don't want to see senate investigation and a house investigation. calling the same people, making different conclusions possibly and partisan and not partisan, that's not the interest of the american people.
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there should be one investigation. >> you would willed a cause for a joint committee. >> reporter: yes. >> house and senate. >> yes. learn let the fbi report to them. >> but you don't want the fbi investigating this? >> i think the fbi should be investigating it, but under supervision. they're a part of the justice department. that's a little strange. director comey, i have full confidence, i know him, i like him, he's a nice guy, but some people don't. i think you need to bring this altogether. this is such an important investigation, the american people have to have confidence in it. the results have got to be clear. if the russians were involved here, we have to know about it and know what we have to stop it from ever happening again. all of this is important. so i think it should be a joint investigation, the american people can have full confidence in and ought to be open and bipartisan. >> so you don't -- you don't agree with those who say this is much to do about nothing, you think that the pieces of
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evidence we have are enough to suggest we need to figure this out? >> yes. i think we have to figure it out. look, there's tons of smoke. we don't know how much fire there is, but we know there's a lot of smoke. you can't just allow that to cloud this administration for the next four years. >> what is the path forward here because somebody has to produce the kind of -- the kind of initiative -- the framework you're talking about? >> for everything i've heard about the senate investigation it's starting off on the right track. the house has sort of gotten off track. and i think the president could participate here. the president, number of the president's people said look, i'll testify, i didn't do anything wrong, that's fine, but more than that, i think the president should be part of it. the president should go along with the investigation. if it's right, commend the investigation, be bound by whatever our outcomes are and to do that he's got to be assured they're going to be fair and bipartisan. i think that assurance has got to be made. we had that on the 9/11
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commission. some people doubted us and some doubted us all the way through. as we were going along, we got the confidence of the american people, confidence of the president and we were able to produce a report that all three bought into. and that's what's got to be done here. >> one of the aspects of 9/11 commission that seemed to me very important was it shed light on a whole range of topics, not just maybe the specific one of why 9/11 happened, but it shed light on all kinds of ancillary topics, do you imagine that something like this, proper commission, could shed light on this whole issue of cyber war, hacking, foreign governments interfering, how we should think about these issues? >> it would be enormously helpful if it did because look, we haven't gotten a handle on cyber yet. but since then, we've i've talked to the chief intelligence agencies and previous obama administration, every one of them said, number one, cyber threat. that's the thing we should be worrying about most out of the
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whole intelligence bunch. and so, if that's true, we've got to do much more about it. and we're doing it. >> tom king, pleasure to have you on, sir. >> thank you. next on gps, one of america's top ceos, he does the same for donald trump. jeffrey on how big business will fare under the art of the deal president. rodney and his new business.
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your refrigerator to the engines on jet that flew you on your last vacation. it is deeply invested in health care, power, transportation, and much more. ge's long time chairman and ceo jeffrey was a job czar for president obama and part of a job's initiative for president trump. he joins me now. pleasure to have you on. >> good to see you again. what do you make of the american economy now. all of the soft data, the stock market has been booming since president trump was elected. but all the hard data, the actual numbers for business orders and the like are flat. and the implication of your article physical there's no fundamental reason for this, for this boom in confidence and the stock market, and that eventually it's all going to come down. >> what i would say, i still
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think the u.s. economy is on a steady economic growth pattern, right? it's clearly not a 20% since last november, but it continues to grind forward in a 2% gdp path. we see it. we feel that. as importantly for the first time since the global financial crisis there are more economies around the world doing better. europe is better, china's better. i don't think it's just the u.s. i think the global economy is slightly better. when you go to wall street, you're going to be proven out in earnings of companies and cash flow more so than speculation of which law's going to get passed. exactly. yeah. do you think president trump's economic policies are going to be a big boost? >> here's what i think, if you look at tax reform leg la toir reform, and infrastructure,
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those things, i think those were known to president clinton, president bush, president obama, as things that the u.s. had to do. 40-year-old tax code. not a reinvestment back in the economy, we should. i think the regulatory opinion went too far and the company needs infrastructure. you do those three things, i think the economy's going to do better. >> you have done something unusual in the last couple of months though, you have twice, to your employees, come out essentially in opposition to something the administration did on the travel ban, your expressed concerns and on climate change policies you expressed concerns in a memo where you essentially disagreed with the trump at mrgs, talk abouted how crucial it was that the u.s. continue to be a world leader on climate change. why didn't you feel the need to do this? >> by and large, ceos should keep their head down and do their work. and in many ways, i agree with
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what president trump is doing. we also are stewards for companies, stewards for brands, we're stewards for people. on the travel ban, look, we have a lot of people that live in the middle east. we have a lot of people that travel. it's my duty to stand up for them. clearly we want the country to be safe, but it's also my duty to kind of stand up on their behalf. on climate look for 12 years, we've been investing in an initiative called ecoimagination which has talked about driving energy efficiency in everything we do. and we've been doing it consistently, we booked over $300 billion of revenue in that initial over the last 12 years. i think it's insincere to not stand up for those things that you believe in. so i don't think it's something we should do every day, but i do think we're also stewards of our companies, we're representatives of the people that work with us, and i think we're cowards if we don't take a position, occasionally, on those things that are really consistent with what our mission is and where our people stand.
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>> you're a truly global company. >> uh-huh. >> do you worry about, for example, the pretty poisonous situation between the trump administration and mexico right now? potentially a tariff war between the united states and china, president trump has talked about, you know, some kind of a border adjustment tax, tariffs against chinese goods. what do you think? >> two different stories. i would say in the case of -- i don't agree with the rhetoric around mexico. the mexican country has been a good partner, it's been a good place to do business. i agree with keeping our companies safe, but i hate to cast an entire country in a light. i also don't agree with things like walls. i don't think they're in the end really functional and will work. that being said, really, i think it's natural to want to renegotiate something like nafta after 25 years. it's not the same world that it was 25 years ago. and i think the president has every right to say this
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relationship should be restructured. you know, fareed, there's no case where mexico and the u.s. aren't going to end up being friendly. we're neighbors. we almost have to be, right? i worry more about china. my encouragement is more about china. it is really important for the u.s. and china to have a very strong bilateral relationship. doesn't mean we have to agree on everything, there has to be a relationship that goes you do this, you do that, you do this and we'll do this. and it has to be bilateral. i think the chinese can do it and president trump can do it. >> one of the things that president trump has talked about, he doesn't like the idea of american companies going and making stuff in foreign countries where labor is cheaper, and you've pointed out that for ge as a global company, you have to make stuff close to the places you're selling it. so, i mean, isn't that a problem? if you're not going to be able to make stuff in china -- >> we're running the plate, fareed. if you look at ge's footprint,
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we're a 20, $22 billion exporter, $6 billion importer. i think we kind of run the best u.s. play. now moving stuff out of the united states just purely for wage arbitration, that's 1980s. that's the old global playbook. unfortunately, people in the u.s. get confused between globalization and outsourcing. to me, globalization is we have 70% of jet engines, and 30, 40% of health care in china. that's good for the country public that's globalization. we have to make things other places to sell them in other places, i view that as also creating jobs here and the good part about globalization. if you make something, some place else to ship it here, then, you know, there's going to be a discussion around what do we do about border adjustability or taxes or things like that? and i get that. but that -- i think that defines a certain set of companies, but
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i don't think it defines the modern global companies who have built these extended enterprises, not for the purpose of shipping things back here, but for the purposes of winning there. and that, i think, is not being a bad citizen. i think that's bag good citizen of this country. our people aren't afraid to compete in china and they're winning there. next on gps, ge and the technological storm that is upon us all. this is baxter. one of the newest employees at ge these days. the company has big digital dreams, but what will happen to it's human employees? i'll ask jeffrey when we come back. with my moderate to severe crohn's disease,... ...i was always searching for ways to manage my symptoms. i thought i had it covered. then i realized managing was all i was doing. when i finally told my doctor, he said humira was for people like me who have tried other medications,... but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease. in clinical studies,
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and we are back with jeff, ceo of ge since 2001 when his predecessor jack welsh retired. jeff, one of the things you have been talking about and doing at ge is this transformation of ge into a digital company. on the face of it, it sounds like an oxymoron. you're talking about a company that was almost defined by the fact that it makes stuff jet engines, refrigerators, wind turbines, what does it mean to become a digital company? >> so, in our area what it means is how you become a better industrial company. one of the things that's happened around technology is the advent of censors and controls that take data, products, you can now model that data for the purposes of productivity and it's explosive. it is completely redefining what
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it means to be an industrial company. so in other words, you can track a jet engine, you can monitor it's performance, you can treat it as a university of one. you know when it needs to be repaired, you know how it needs to be repaired. thousand optimize the performance -- >> predict. >> and you can do the same thing for the scanners, for gas turbines and for everything, run your business differently. you run your installed base differently. that -- when we started maybe six or seven years ago, i didn't really know where this was going to go. now i can tell you, fareed, that is a huge idea. this is a great idea. now the question is are we good enough to do it? well that's a different -- that's a different set of challenges right now. and that's what really we're all about, how do we capture that vast new market? >> just to help the viewers understand, this is how the head of a big software company explained to me, it used to be you made elevators and you made all your money in the elevators. now you sell elevators all over the world, but you have computers and sensors that will
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track exactly when each elevator stops, starts, breaks down, and -- >> with the human flow. what the human flow is, management -- >> service and you make your money on the service contracts that are big on big data rather than just on the actual -- >> described it -- you should come to work for ge. that's exactly -- that's exactly the world. and you know, we've had the consumer internet as defined by, let's say amazon. we've had the enterprise internet as defined by microsoft or google. now the next phase is the industrial internet. it's going to be a multihundred billion dollar industry and we're just in the very beginning phases. and this is a place where industrial companies can play because we know energy better. we know aviation better, and a lot of it has to do with the domain and how the products actually work. and so, we've been an investor for six or seven years, big investor, last year we invested 4 or $5 billion just in this and we're seeing the returns. it is changing the company. >> and, when people hear all of
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this now, especially after this last year, they think to themselves, this sounds really great, but what happens to that steel worker? what happens to the guy who makes the turbines. are you describing a world in which, you know, software and robotics make these factories much more productive, much more high-tech and many fewer people? >> i think the next phase that we go stlu one with what i would call the smart worker. so in other words, the first phase of the digital industrial is going to make the service worker smarter. it's going to make the factory worker smarter. it's going to make the radiologist smarter. let's take a field service person. the real value that they can bring is they fix something right the first time. frequently you have to go back and repair it because they don't have all the knowledge right there. a factory worker for ge that's making $30 plus an hour, there is a depth with a welding machine as they are with a computer. that's how you create high valued jobs. so i think fareed, we're getting
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lost here a little bit. our productivity hasn't been very good, the way you create high value jobs is you have to make your workers more productive. the first phase we're going to go through here, sing going to make current workers more productive, that's a good thing. now, 20 years from now, are you and i robots here talking to each other on a sunday morning? i'm not that smart to be honest with you. i think the first incremental step is to make the existing workers better, smarter, more competitive, and that's what's happening inside our company. >> i know you think very broadly about these issues and you're very close to that world of the steel worker, the auto partsman, and you've seen the anger and anxiety in ohio and michigan and pennsylvania. what do you think the sans? is there a way to reindustrialize the upper midwest or are these just a world that's gone away? >> i think there's a way to create more manufacturing jobs in the country. i don't know exactly where it is. and the reason why they are good
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jobs is look if somebody is working for ge, and they're making 25, 30 bucks an hour, and let's say they lost that job because the markets are terrible and things like that. they don't go to another job down the street that pays them the same amount, they go to a job that pays $15 an hour. that's why people are so angry. i stand back, fareed, and say let's look at germany. germany has high wages, 24% of their labor is manufacturing. 9% in the u.s. what do they do? great training. great infrastructure. they have an export bank. they have a tax policy that encourages it. the banks have to lend money to small business. >> so, so -- >> you have a highly intrusive government that both demands certain things of industry and pays for it. during the recession, the german government paid for to not lay off workers. >> the reason why i raise the case, we ul want to migrate to mexico and china, when we can
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look in the mirror and see another country that is winning in this regard. now look, we have 5% of the people in the world and the u.s., 25% of the global economy. we're not going to sustain that unless we know how to make things here and sell them at every place in the world. and that's where the most valuable manufacturing jobs are created. >> jeffrey, pleasure to have you on. >> thanks, fareed, good to be with you. that was supposed to be europe's patriotic spring during which the right wing raid would sweep across the continent winning major election after major election. spring has sprung, but where are the populist victories since brexit? few and far between when we come back, the return of the center. s faced thousands of drivers. she's a world-class swimmer who's stared down the best in her sport. but for both of them, the most challenging opponent was... pe blood clots in my lung. it was really scary. a dvt in my leg. i had to learn all i could to help protect myself.
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motion. >> this is a historic moment from which there can be no turning back. britain is leaving the european union. we are going to make our own decisions and our own laws. >> the brexit vote of june 2016 and donald trump's election as president a few months later are seen as part of a rising tide of populism that threatened the liberal international order. an order that has characterized the western world since 1945, but peter of the carnegie endowment for international fees asks at least two events might actually represent the peak of right wing populism. address the developments in europe and the u.s. show that the pend ewe lum is swinging away from the right. and back toward the center. populist policies are starting to lose their appeal in the face of real world governing. he says in the battle between reality and populism, reality is now winning.
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so, has populism peaked since brexit in trump's election? it's worth reviewing what has taken place since those e events. in the u.s. trump suffered humiliating defeats on the signature campaign promises and seen his approval rating drop to 36%. it's now lower than any new president in modern history. and people are veering away from right wing populism. uk independence party or uk lost it's only member of parliament earlier this month when he got the party. the current leader was also defeated in the recent election for receiving. it was clearly in big trouble with membership down 17% last year. in the netherlands, vocal critic of islam was roundly defeated in the dutch parliamentary elections in march receiving only 13% of the vote. his zen phobic anti-eu message
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was shunned by the dutch who turned out to reject it. in the recent elections, former prime minister pro eu party won the presidential election with 33% of the vote. who models himself after of donald trump anti-immigration campaign slogans and fourth place with just 11% of the popular vote. and the presidential candidate emanuel is expected to defeat the far right anti-immigration candidate marine la pen. french posts tell us the pro eu free market internationalist i'd kolg holds the most fraction among the french these days. and in germany, with about six months to go before a federal election angela merkel's conservative party is in a neck and neck race with the center left social democrats. with each getting a little over 30% in recent polls. the far right anti-immigrant
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defeating isis. president trump has said since the campaign it would be his number one foreign policy goal. and it's a promise he actually seems to be sticking to, but it is no easy task. as the bloody fight for mosul continues in iraq, across the boarder in syria, things are even more complicated because of the country's civil war. a war that just marked it's sixth anniversary. our sister network, hbo, has a terrific documentary "prize from syria" that explores that war and it's devastating effects. >> we demand that holding roses and he called us terrorists. >> an underground journalist and one of the people featured in the film joins me along with the film's director. so one of the things that we hear a lot about in syria is isis, of course. and assad says that he must --
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we must support him, the world should support him because he's fighting isis. the russian government says that it supports assad because it wants to make sure that isis is destroyed and of course now the president of the united states has often said that he thought it was worth supporting russia, maybe even supporting assad, hand syria over to assad because he will defeat isis. you actually witnessed in aleppo what was meant to be a battle before the assad regime was fighting isis. let's watch the clip and then you tell me more about this. [ speaking foreign language ]
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>> so i guess the simple question is, you really did not see the assad regime ever fight isis? >> never. like, um, unless there is a drama or a play or a game played between both parties to convince, not us syrians because they don't care for us, but to play a game, to convince the international community that, hey guys, we're fighting isis. in aleppo, aleppo city, it was completely governed by the civilians, and then the free syrian army fighting there, they are the -- what they call them moderates, but they are the free syrian army -- >> not isis. >> no isis there. and all of the sudden, the regime and the russians, they targeted aleppo extremely violently, heavily on a daily
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basis to eradicate all of ale o aleppo. and they did, they demolished the whole city and pushed 500,000 people outside the town. >> and where is isis in this? >> isis is all in rocca, so it has not presence in aleppo, and they pushed all the civilians outside and then they took like -- they paraded in front of the syrians that we liberated aleppo from isis. >> the russian air strikes, there are reports that they hit hospitals, orphanages, is that true? >> yes. they targeted only schools, hospitals, and the main service delivery, like bakeries, hospitals, schools, and by doing this, they were making sure that if somebody is injured, there's no hospital to call. and kids, if there is -- if there are no schools, then they only deserve either the violence
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or they go see isis or continuing their life because i mean, the easiest way to take these kids is by brainwashing them and taking them to jihadis. >> thisa on all sides, do you think it can be healed? >> oh, i think with time it can be healed, but even the fear that they bring on them, striking them with missiles, fear by bringing hunger and starvation on these kids, fear by destroying the schools, the huge amount of russian missiles or chemical weapon, they're still not broke. these people still have dignity and standing on their feet and fighting. that is a striking element for me. that they believed what they started in 2011 and continue up to this day. >> you've seen so much six,
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seven years ago. did you ever think you'd see so much blood shed and sorrow in your own family and your friends? >> never. >> can you -- do you think you can get past it? can you imagine coming back together as a country? >> yes. >> with all this death? >> yes. yes. it's so possible. because everyone has suffered, but no one is going to return back and reconcile if assad stays. i never accept this. all my friends never accept this. and the majority never accept assad stay in power because he is the number one accused of devastating the nation. he's the one who push me out of my country. he's the one who pushed me out of home. he's the one who took my brother from home. he's the one who killed my friends in the streets. and he is the one who injailed almost all my friends just to silence them and we don't know whether they are alive or dead. it's five years now. five years imagine that you're
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living in a home that one day you might meet these people, but all of a sudden in two months we discovered that one of our dear friends was killed in prison and tortured. he was the hope for us. we were waiting for him to be out of the jail. but we failed them in these five years, because the whole universe failed us. and they died alone in the cells and their torture. so i'll never accept assad to stay in power. and no one is going to accept assad to stay in power unless those who are supporting assad regime and they are afraid they're going to lose their lives, the criminals, who supported assad in killing us. >> thank you. next on gps, two nations in recent weeks have declared that rivers are people. what? i'll explain.
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. today marks 100 years since wo woodrow wilson asked congress to declare war on germany saying, quote, the world must be made satisfy for democracy. it brings me to my question. what was the last form -- stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. this week's book of the week is very short, but very profound. on tryanny, one of america's most distinguished historians, snyder has spent his life studying the dictatorships of the 20th century. he looks around the world today and sees warning signs that
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remind him of the 20s and 30s when economic cries caused the collapse of western democracies. he provides lessons to prevent history from repeating itself. and now for the last look. president trump rolled out a new executive order this week to roll back obama era rules that combat pollution and climate change. this comes after a previous order that could strip regulations protecting smaller rivers and streams. at the same time i read about two other nations that are actively trying to protect their own waterways, but in unusual ways. let me explain. the river in the north island of new zealand was recently granted an unusual status. that of a human being. that's right. the government declared that the river, one of the people considers sacred would be given the same rights, duties and liables liabilities of a legal person. 7,000 miles away two more rivers received a similar distinction.
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the ganges river along with all the tributaries the status of livi living entities. it even assigned legal parents to protect the waters. po looting or harming these rivers in india or new zealand could be equivalent to harming a human person. simply declaring the water bodies to have the same rights as human body system one step. the difficult task of cleaning and maintaining these significant rivers will still be up to governments, businesses and of course us two-legged homo sapiens. and the answer, in 1932 the senate confirmed two resolutions declaring war with bulgaria, hungary and finally romania. all three resolutions said war had been thrust upon the united
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states by those countries. throughout history, congress has officially declared war just 11 times, but also agreed to additional resolutions authorizing the use of military force. thanks for all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. happening now in the newsroom. the russian cloud over the white house. >> the president has said he feels somewhat vindicated by what nunes has said about these documents. can you understand why chairman nunes might have some issues with the surveillance that was going on? >> well, i can't go into the contents of the documents, jake, and i think that the answer to the question is this effort to point congress in other directions. basically say don't look at me, don't look at russia. there's nothing to see here. >> the president has not once called me and said don't beat up on