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that's it for us. thanks for watching. good evening. tonight everything we wanted to know but could not possibly know this time last night when crews missiles were flying. there is late word on what was and what was not hit. there is also troubling new reports about possible russian involvement and covering up the syrian attack that triggered this. also a new look at president, cabinet members being briefed about 9:15 last night in a makeshift information room. we also have new information
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because as you know the decision candidate trump and his administration have said about syria. that and all of the vital questions that come after president ordered use of force. is it wise? is it part of a larger strategy for syria and what is it? we have news making guests including john mccain. we begin with a kronnology of the operation. jim has that. >> tonight the u.s. military investigating whether russia was co in the attack on civilians earlier this week. specifically, whether a russian warplane dropped a bomb on a hospital treating victims of the
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attack five hours later, perhaps to destroy evidence. u.s. intelligence shows that a russian drone flew over the hospital site just before the bombing. the probe comes after president trump ordered a barrage of missiles. the first u.s. military strike against the assad regime in the country's bloody six year civil war. today haley warned of possible military action. >> the united states took a very measured step last night. we are prepared to do more, but we hope that will not be necessary. >> reporter: the target of the strikes was the launch point for the syrian warplanes that carried out the chemical attack. the pentagon says 59 or 60 tomahawk cruise missiles
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severely destroyed their targets. they estimate some 20 aircrafts were destroyed. u.s. missiles left the runway in tact and avoided chemical weapon store age to prevent casualties. the planning began tuesday, the day the world saw the first images of victims, many of them children of the chemical weapons atta attack. president trump sat down to dinner and met to discuss military options, siting then to order the strike that night. at 8:40 eastern time the middle of the night the attack began. two u.s. warships in thee easten
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mediterranean launched towards the air base. then just 35 minutes later at approximately 9:15 p.m. eastern time the president's national security team briefed him on the missions results. >> so we saw satellite images, does it seem like the pentagon is content with the results? >> the pentagon is with what this attack was intended to do. they destroyed about 20 aircrafts, some of those shelters, etcetera. the runway is still operational. you're hearing there might have been planes taking off in the last 24 hours. the pentagon says it was not intend today destroy the base
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entirely forever. it is to send a message. on that definition of success the pentagon views it as a successful operation. >> jim has more on that. so is the white house discussing what, if any, the next steps may be? >> they are not telegraphing the next steps. the president doesn't want to send the message that more are coming or might not be coming. i talked to administration official about this earlier today. this mission that went down last night should not be interpreted as a wider campaign but what they are saying is that if assad decides to use chemical weapons against his own people he will run the risk of being attacked
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again by the united states. they feel like that was made very clear. they are hoping assad does not come away from this without fulling will understanding the consequence of doing this again. >> is it clear on whether or not the u.s. still is looking for the removal of al-assad. you know, last week tillerson -- is it clear what the policy is now? >> i think that's a key question. i think you'll see the secretary of state on sunday on the sunday talk shows. he will be pressed on this. he was giving incases yesterday before the air strikes were carried out that yes, they were looking with some kind of coalition to force assad from power. what you heard from administration officials is that it was a proportional response. you heard the secretary of state say they went off this airfield
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because they wanted to make it very clear this is about condemning the delivery of weapons against the civilian population. at the same time they are making it very clear at this point that assad is sort of in charge of his own destiny. if he decides to use chemical weapons against his own people the message i'm making is that he is putting his own life, his own future at risk. at the same time i asked white house press secretary and earlier today, you know, what is the administration's position? do they want assad to go? during a briefing with reporters sean spicer said what we want at the very least is to see assad not use chemical weapons. i think the president will be here and taking a very close look at how the syrians respond to all of this. i think put together the next steps accordingly. they are make it very clear. assad is almost in charge of his
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own future. >> but something like barrel bombs which they have used which will kill large number of people, i mean that assuming that can continue a pace without u.s. military involvement. >> you know, and i think this is where it becomes a very serious question. you heard members saying the president wants to go further than this and we heard similar discussions happen during the obama administration. the question is how far can assad go before this shifts from a proportional response in to regime change. you heard the president during the campaign time and again talk about the dangers of trying to go after assad and topples will with russians on the ground and syria. i think what we saw last night was a major leap for this president. to go the point of regime change, that would be another evolution on the part of the president that i don't think administration officials are
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indicates at this point. >> thanks very much. u.s. commanders gave an hour's warning to avoid striking russian personnel or equipment. there is that and potentially much larger story immerging. matthew joins us now with the latest. as jim mentioned in this piece, the u.s. military investigating whether russia bombed a hospital treating those from the attacks. what did they say? >> reporter: yeah, that i are dead deni denying any kind of knowledge of any kind of chemical weapons being used.
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on rebel held chemical that were during abair strike. it is also not the first time that the russians have shielded the syrians from criticism because of their use or alleged use of chemical weapons. in february there was a u.n. security council resolution condemning the assad regime for allegedly carrying out multiple attacks throughout his country. the investigation was done by an independent chemical weapons organizati organization. you know, these have to be taken with a pinch of salt. >> what has the russian reaction been to the strike?
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>> they vowed to take action as well. they have also said they have sus penned the air safety agreement. this is an important bit of decon fliks mechanism which prevents russian warplanes. we have had continue dikt ri word coming saying that channel is up and running but the russians say they are suspending it. that is something we are looking at. they have got the air defense systems and they didn't intervene to stop the air strikes when they could have. >> there are reports where they
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launched the attack last night. any information about that or significance to that? >> it has been deployed to this region in the eastern mediterranean. it has been done so and now again. part of it is a rotation of naval vessels stationed off the coast to provide additional force protection to russian forces inside syria. >> thanks. we have a lot to cover today. nearly 3 million syrian
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refuj now live in turkey. what's been the response over the last 24 hours? >> so far it is a defiant statement accusing the u.s. of being wreckless and shortsighted. i think it will be more clear in the next few days what the real reaction is and the real reaction is unlikely to be dictated by the syrian regime whose army is on the brink and has fighters to do the majority of fighting for them on the ground. it is probably fair to say that the russians will have a very strong part in decides how the regime reacts. you just heard them saying it
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looks as though the russians despite the statements may be willing to take this one on the chin. we have heard reports of air strikes taking police from activists on the ground. cnn has not been able to do this. everyone will be watching closely to see whether or not it changes the face of battlefield, whether they stop using chemical weapon and starts to lower the amount of crude ammunition he uses on civilian population. >> what about response from opposition groups? >> i never thought there would be a day rebel fighters would be referring to donald trump that
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they have affectionally given him. it means father of ivanka the american. or did i think we would see a day when they would be posting photographs of president donald trump with the writing underneath saying we love you. so clearly these are surreal and unusual times we are witnessing. i would say while there has been pleasant surprise and happiness of these u.s. strikes there is also prague mytism that comes with that. no one on the ground believes this is a significant intervention and question that i get asked over and over and over again is why does the international community and u.s. become involved or moved or outraged when the regime uses chemical weapons to kill children and not get outraged
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when it's barrel bombs killing children? at the end of the day their argument is children are still dying, the war is still going on and there's no end in sight. >> yes. thank you. coming up next we'll talk to john mccain and what more he wants president trump to do. he does want more. later, do these kind of limited strikes work once the smoke is cleared? we'll look at the track record next.
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the u.s. probing whether russia might have been comply sitting the attack for years now. john mccain argued for greater and more forceful action. he criticized obama and trump on this. tonight he is taking a different tone. i spoke to him earlier this evening. >> a russian drown before the chemical attack occurred. is russia comply sit in the chemical attack? >> absolutely. and in the precision guided weapons that struck the hospitals in aleppo. that's gross violation of the
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rules of war. we have to understand who putin is, what he is all about and what he will do and what he understands. what he understands is strength. the best way to avoid further escalation is to show putin that the benefits he might accrue are not worth the penalty he would pay. >> you know, not previous administration they officially believed and said that assad had to go. obviously there is a lot o criticism they didn't move much in this direction. do you believe that is the direction of the trump administration? tillerson said it is up to the syrian people. >> yeah, which i was puzzled by because syrian people obviously
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play no role in assad remaining in power. it is the russians and iranians. i think tillerson has modified that view in light of these chemical attacks, and i don't mean to be cynical, but i say with respect if a mother's child is killed i'm not sure is that the mother is concerned how that child is killed. i view barrel bombs and some of the other terrible activities that are engaged in russians and syrians as terrible and unacceptable as well as syrian weapons. there is a departure between my view and that of mr. tillerson. >> there seems to have been some sort of over the last couple of days. do you think they will be working on a plan or is this kind of a one off sending a message, you know, you crossed a
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line on the chemical weapons and now they just -- things continue on as normal? >> well, it can't be in my view. i know they are planning and paging plans not only in this situation but also for you crane, for taking -- they have got a lot of plans to make to make up for the last eight years. i am convinced they are working on an overall strategy. i have great confidence in this team around the president of the united states. if i had been asked to name a team i couldn't have named a better one than the one we have got. there are also -- you have got to know this. there are tensions within the white house just as there are tensions within president trump himself. >> you talked about tensions in the administration, the white house and within the president
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himself. clearly it seems like the president changed his mind. he said a lot of stuff. he tweeted a lot about don't go into syria. don't bomb syria over the years and even during the campaign and said a number of things about not trying to go into syria or not wanting to get involved in syria. what do you think it is that created this change? you know, some have said it was the images of the attack, it was the reality of that attack. some people, you know, say this is political opportunity to flex american military power. where do you see the change? >> i think three things. it is very different being a candidate and being president almost every incoming president has learned that lesson one way or another. second of all, i think that he has a team around him that he
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respects and gives him advice that has moved him in this direction. third of all, he is a human being. he was obviously deeply moved by those pictures as all of us were deeply moved. >> and finally, to those in the united states who are concerned about getting deeply involved in syria, committing to an ongoing -- you know, whether it would be a military fight, however that would look, what do you say to them in terms of what the end game would be, who would replace assad. there are a lot of folks who think it could be a quagmire. how do you resolve their concerns? >> well, i hope we pay attention. we pulled everybody out of iraq. al qaeda moved to syria. al qaeda became isis and assad
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was -- there was an uprising against him. he used the most brutal attacks in suppressing them. hezbollah came in and then later on russia and we see the over 400,000 killed and over 6 million refugees. so if you ignore the lessons of history then you will know that it is not in our interest eventually to sit by and see this kind of turmoil that's taking place. >> appreciate that. thank you. >> thank you. well, just ahead, how the world is reacting and what to make of the policy reversal for president trump. so when i need to book a hotel room, i want someone that makes it easy to find what i want. booking.com gets it. they offer free cancellation if my plans change. visit booking.com. booking.yeah.
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didn't seem to move the needle for candidate trump then when he was about it in the october debate. >> what would you do about syria and crisis in aleppo. i want to remind you what his running meat said. he said they need to be met with american strength fand russia continues to be involved in air strikes along with syrian government forces the united states of america should be prepared to use military force to strike the military targets of the assad regime. >> okay. he and i haven't spoken, and i disagree. >> that was six months ago. then candidate trump is now president trump. joining me is cnn senior political commentator.
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you were part of the obama administration during syria's civil war. you say president trump should be commended, why? >> he did the right thing. not only did we see these horrific image s of men, women and children who were gassed to death, but what they did was violate one of the sacred international norms. that is using weapons in our conflict. if the united states is not prepared to stand up i don't think anyone else will. it is important that we do so. if president was right to stand up and take action. >> you know, it is a reversal for president tufrp.
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>> you have tillerson saying the syrian people should decide whether assad stays or goes. and so people are wondering why this president turned on a dime looking at those horrific pictures that in fact also existed after the gas attack in 2013. so i do think he has to explain what his policy is going to be going forward.
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is he going to do more in syria? is he going to establish safe zones or is this just a one off? >> in fairness many presidents have had ideas as they campaign or civilians and then when they are in office and have the responsibility, you know, they end up basically reversing those. what do you think of the shift in the trump administration? >> without question that is true. we spoke last night about the fact that the gravity of the things that you face and sense of response blt that you encounter when you sit in that chair is unlike nothing anyone has ever experienced other than another president. these things do happen. i think what makes it so striking in the case of donald trump is he really didn't come to office with a defined fill os fi, with a real idoloealology.
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one thing that concerned people was they weren't sure where he was. we are seeing him trying to discover who he is. it's not just in foreign policy. you can see where more traditional republicans and some would suggest not even republicans are -- steve bannon seems to be receding. >> the difficulty, of course, is what happens next and is there a strategy for that? you know, is that something that's been thought out? it doesn't seem like at this stage that there is. it is difficult for any administration to decide what to do in syria.
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>> the opportunity is to try to move the syrian civil war to a better place. i think he should move up the trip and go as quickly as possible and basically say we are going to hold you accountable. you need to reign him in, get him back to the table. you can forget about any counter terrorism operation unless and until you do that. we should work together to end this conflict. the danger is there are unintended consequences in particular with regard to the islamic state. we want to make sure russia doesn't make lives more difficult. we want to make sure that resources that were dedicated to dealing with assad also remain in place. so there's a real balance to get right here. >> you know, it was interesting.
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donald trump as a citizen back in 2013 or there around in some of those tweets in which he was saying don't attack syria, he was also indicating that president obama -- that politics might be involved in this to overcome the involvement, that he was thinking of military action. you have democrats and others raising questions about trump's motives in this and are politics playing a role in this? >> yeah. i take him at his word that he was alarmed by what he saw and reacted to it. both things could be true. it could be politically strengthening for him in the short run to do what he did. he could also have felt it. i think the interesting thing is that, you know, we are told well, it was on instinct that he did this. that's the way donald trump operates.
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that's what people thought, they were tired of deliberation, tires of gray areas. they wanted someone who would just act. it could be very dangerous in international relations. >> thank you. when president trump ordered last night's strike he joined, how they unfolded and what they accomplished in the past. rythin so we know how to cover almost anything. even a coupe soup. [woman] so beautiful. [man] beautiful just like you. [woman] oh, why thank you. [burke] and we covered it, november sixth, two-thousand-nine. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
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. this time last night two tomahawk missiles. t in choosing it he joined a long list of commanders and chief to punish an adversary or to send a message. we have more now. >> reporter: five years before the 2003 war against a u.s. lead coalition saddam hussein's iraq was, a punitive four-day campaign ordered by bill clinton following iraq's to comply with u.n. resolutions.
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iraq sent hundred of troops and civilians were killed. it wasn't the first strike set to punish the iraqi regime. d 23 cruise missiles launched into downtown baghdad, a warning after an assassination plot on former president george h.w. bush. coll collin powell was at the time. the missiles hit a building believe today have housed iraq's intelligence service. punitive attacks have been used for murders of americans. in 1986 libyan strong man said to be behind a bombing. two u.s. servicemen were killed. the u.s. military reply, 60 tons of am mun nation raining down.
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>> my fellow americans, at 7:00 air and naval forces of the united states launched a ser ri series. of. >> and the result? >> back there is the building where his wife and children were staying on monday night. two were injured. the smallest child and adopted daughter were killed. >> today we have done what we had to do. if anythinecessary, we shall do again. >> dozens of libyans died as did two u.s. air force pilots. another punishment for the murder of civilians came in 1998. it lead to strikes against al qaeda targets. after the u.s. embassies were bombed. more than 200 people were killed, up to 4,000 wounded. they rb used bay long line to punish or warn others when
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actions are deemed a threat to american interests. >> i asaid that we would act wih oers if possible and alone if necessary to enspure terrorists have no sanctuary any where. tonight we have. new imagery shows some of the damage of last night's missile strike did. this image shows five workshops on the western edge before the strike and here they are after the strike. all five structures appear to be hit. this next shows a bunker on the base before the strike. here it is after the attack. you can see it is all wiped out. 20 plane wrs als were also destt the air base. we have mark and rick here who visited that base when he was there. general, these strikes, in your
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experience, how effective are they? >> it depends, anderson. it has to do with the mission, the conduct of the mission analysis, the enemy you're going against and what you want to do from the standpoint of a psychological message. if it meets the requirement of what the president, the commander in chief and civilian authorities wants the military to do they can be at times effective. there have been other times as well where they have not been effecti effective. it can be devastating if used appropria appropriately. it is a tool in the tool kit. >> so the strike last night, do you see that as basically a strike to send a plemessage, no one that has long-term military consequences? >> i think it had a balance of the three. i think there has been a debate about the strike didn't crater
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the runway. i didn't do this or it did do that. what i would tell you is i know how the plans with made in the pentagon. what they wanted to hit they hit. what they didn't hit they didn't want to hit. there were reasons for all of these things. we can't get in the minds of planners or commanders in chief. i would suggest there is more rational than what we are reporting on the news and what we as commentators are right now. >> what do you see when you see this strike? >> i think it was a good ball lons of causing destruction and more importantly sending a message. their air force is old. they have trouble keeping the aircraft in the air. they rely on russians for maintenance and support. taking 20 out of that airport is a good thing. we know that the tomahawk cannot
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crater runways. they hit the areas they could. they have done a significant amount of damage. i think the general makes a key point. when you do these strikes you don't know what the effect will be. each strike is different. some times they work. some times they don't. you have to determine how much force you're going to use, when you're going to strike, how symbolic is the target and is the message going to get through? we won't know until he does something or does not do something. >> go ahead. >> in terms of the cratering of the runway or illumination of the runway, you know, i have been in some of the targeting meetings where the commander has to make the call. i'm sure there was discussion, do we want to take this runway out of action for a significantly long time or just strike the airplanes and buildings and sup supply depots?
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do we want them to come back and use this runway? i'm sure it went back and forth for quite a long time. anyone can't comment one way or another. if we wanted to crater that where you knoww runway we would have cratered the runway. >> and you would imagine the tomahawk would crater a runway up. is it sort of -- is it too kind of localized, the target? >> it is a specific kind of war head. it is a thousand pounds. it sounds like a lot, and it is. it can penetrate a certain amount. it doesn't have the blast -- >> so it is tech any liily larg. >> there have teams trying to repair those very quickly. air every force has them because
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that's what they do. they crater runways and we fix them. if you want to destroy them they go down and explode. that's how you destroy a runway. if you want to put enough on a runway you can probably close it temporarily. you'll waste a lot of ammunition doing that. they hit the key targets on that base to cause damage, to fuel, ammunition, that's what you need to hit to close down ann airfie airfie -- abairfield? -- an airfield? >> we don't know, anderson, that's the interesting point. we have been talking, and we are talking right now about the tactics of a strike. the media and american public have been innamerred with this watching tomahawks leave tubes
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of that. this is a tactical issue. the question -- the key question is what is the strategy? what is the policy? what are we going to do next? what are the other governments to do next? just because we conducted a strike does not signal any of those things. your questioning of me, do i expect more? i don't know. i don't know. i'm not in the decision, luke. that's something key civilian authorities have to do. >> we have to leave it there. thank you. up next we talked about russia. next michael hayden joins us with that. get the ultimate in entertainment plus unlimited data. get directv now for $10 a month when you have the new at&t unlimited plus plan.
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warning. it is a daunting basket of deplorable option and difficult challenges for any administration, let alone a new and relatively inexperienced one. joining us is michael hayden. general, hayden, first of all just jen rael what's your reaction to the trump administration launching this strike last night? >> actually, i thought it was quite successful. you got a really sobering assessment in the last segment as to how effective operationally this was. i think they delivered everything they had promise today the president. now, as those folks pointed out, what's the strategic affect? actually, i think we're at a point of advantage here, anderson. the equilibrium between bashar al assad and all of his friends was fairly fragile.
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assad was on the verge of losing, and then russia intervenes, they move and take aleppo, and there they are. but that balance is fragile. and what we demonstrated yesterday, beyond reacting to an atrocity, what we demonstrated yesterday to assad is we have the means to destroy his battlefield leverage. rick pointed out he lost 20 aircraft. he doesn't have that many. so i think this will have a real sobering effect on adventurism from the assad regime. >> is there benefit on the regime on not being clear on what the u.s. policy is, on not being clear well, what is the red line? is it not using chemical weapons? if i'm assad and i'm using barrel bombs, are they going to intervene? is that a potential benefit?
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>> well, it's clear to me with what we've been saying for the last 24 hours after the attack it's going to take a serious provocation for us to repeat what we did last night. look, as sad as this is, anderson, we want to park the assad problem over here, just let it sit, while we solve what we think is the more high priority problem, which is isis. so the strike yesterday is in essence our telling assad, settle down. we're not going anywhere, and we're going to turn our attention back to problem number one, which is the assad estate. >> republicans who want to see regime change and want much more of an activist policy in syria say, look, we can walk and shoot at the same time. you can go and push assad and also fight isis at the same time.
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there's the concern of a power vacuum if assad is taken out of power and then what role isis plays in the control. >> and that's an ideal solution. that's the one i favor, but frankly the zwreometry of the battlefield has changed. anderson, after the russian intervention the amount of energy that would be required on our part to take on both assad and isis is beyond what any president could now reasonably demand of this country. and that's a great satdness, and it's going to be a festering sore for a long time. but we're going to handle this sequentially. >> how difficult -- i mean the level of russian involvement in syria, it seems like it is even more complicated now than it was during the obama administration before russia got involved. i mean having them on the ground on obviously iran as well, it's much more three-dimensional
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battlefield. >> yeah, exactly. and again, i would have been right where senator mccain was earlier in your show, three years ago, four years ago where everything was more malleable. and look, anderson, forget about the russians being there to fight isis as candidate trump said. they're there to buck up their client's state. and now we need them to keep their client on-side while we go do some other stuff. and that's probably the topic for secretary tillerson in moskow. >> do you think there's also an advantage in what the trump administration did last night in terms of, you know, other bad actors, north korea watching this and -- >> absolutely. as senator mccain did, he did this because of genuine human moral outrage. and i'm glad he reinforced an international norm. but he also gets to send a political message, and-thinkfry
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lsh the message is i'm not the other guy. and he was sending that to us in america, our friends in the region, and he was sending it to syria, russia, and iran. >> general michal hayden, i appreciate your time. up next the latest from the ground in syria. be right back. 've got... ...allstate. with accident forgiveness they guarantee your rates won't go up just because of an accident. smart kid. indeed. it's good to be in, good hands. briathe customer app willw if be live monday. can we at least analyze customer traffic? can we push the offer online? brian, i just had a quick question. brian? brian...
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hour. so the u.s. military is investigating whether russia was in fact complicit in the chemical weapons attack. what are they saying? >> good evening, anderson. what we've learned here at the appellant gone today is they want to see that there's credible evidence that russia was complicit, how much did they know about what was going on that air base? the evidence may be actually mounting. what we know is there was a russian drone operating over that hospital before it was bombed. it flew over that hospital, taking pictures for a while. the russian drone goes away and suddenly a couple hours later a war plane comes in and drops a conventional bomb in this area apparently to try and destroy evidence of the chemical attack. so it was a russian drone, they don't know who was playing that airplane. was it a russian crew in the airplane? the pentagon saying they're
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going to investigate all claims, all credible evidence of russian involvement, but it certainly appears they are already headed in that direction. they also say they will aggressively investigate now the chemcome weapons program. a bit of an odd statement because the world has seen this for several yeefrz. anderson. >> what have you learned about the time line this took place? >> it begins to unfold in the world on tuesday when that attack happened on tuesday. what we know is throughout tuesday and wednesday the u.s. military, the defense department, began to move very rapidly to begin to plan what they could do. by wednesday they have clear direction from the white house. president trump wants to see some options. they keep plowing ahead with the plan. they begin to move ships, they get things into place. the president is finally briefed on the final details on thursday he gives the go ahead around
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4:30 thursday. and within three hours on thursday, last night, 8:40 east coast time or a little bit before that, the tomahawks are launched and the president is briefed on the impact of the strike just a short time later. so really a 48-hour planning cycle, start to finish, moving very rapidly through this. limited stiek, yes. but it was the message that the white house chose to send that you've been talking about all night, the message to assad. basically don't do this again. you do it again, we'll keep attack. >> what do we know about what if anymore action will be taken? >> right now there's no indication of any imminent military action as far as we know. again, holding in reserve that if assad does this again, u.s. may decide to do it again, but
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there is another wrinkle out there tonight. as you know lots of u.s. troops in syria. they happen to keep a sharp eye, make sure they're safe. >> however, questions are being raised about how it fits into a larger strategy for dealing the assad regime. shortly after the missile strike tweeted so pote s cares enough about the syrian people to launch 59 tomahawks but not enough to let the victims of assad find refuge here. i spoke to the congressman this evening. what are your thoughts about the decision to strike in syria? >> well, we cannot standby while innocent civilians are murdered by chemical weapons. it's important to send a message this behavior is not acceptable.
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and so the initial military strategy is okay. but what's next, what is the end game, those are the questions we're asking tonight. >> do you think they have a strategy in place, because it does seem like a major shift for them, just from the comments the secretary of state made and even the initial response to the strike on tuesday. >> if they have a strategy, they certainly haven't briefed tattoo us. and they seem to be all over the map, you're right. now all of a sudden assad has to go. so there's an awful lot of questions that remained unanswered here. and at the end of the day it's just not fair to our troops and to the american public to start a military action and not have a goal, not have something you're trying to achieve. when i was on the ground iarock, i understood what i was there to i could go out on just some
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small patrol in a neighbor city in iraq, but i understood the ultimate mission was to restore power so ultimately iraq could take power and we could go home. we don't even know which government we should support. >> is it clear to you what policy -- the u.s. policy was officially for the removal of bashar al assad, that assad had to go. clearly red lines were violated and the u.s. didn't act. but again saevgt tillerson last week seemed to indicate it was up to the syrian people to indicate about bashar al assad. is it clear, still u.s. policy that bashar al assad must go? >> i have no idea. i have no idea what our policy
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is in syria. >> you really don't know. >> no, i don't. because on monday it was one thing, and now it seems to be another. we need to understand these goals. president trump owes that to the american people. we need to understand what exactly he's trying to achieve especially with any further military action. fou, look, we can say that the message said by these 59 tomahawks was don't use chemical weapons. that's fine. but what comes next has to have an intention of purpose. and frankly, we owe that to the troops. how are you going to ask young men and women to risk their lives, for what? for what goal, for an end game you can't even describe. we have yet to hear it from the trump administration. >> do you foresee further strikes with tomahawks or there's been talk of trying to
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take out syria's entire air force, they can't do the chemical attacks we see now. >> again, i just want to see what the goal is, what the plan is. and it's got to be a long-term plan. if we're just going to expend the munitions in syria and find ourselves back in the same place we are today, i don't see the point. so these are the kinds of things the trump administration has to answer. representative stooefb rustle and i from oklahoma, we're both war veterans we came together just as events were unfolding last night and issue said a bipartisan statement saying this initial action is okay, but we need to understand what comes next. but it has to start with a plan from the administration. >> congressman, i appreciate your time.
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thank you. bringing in the panel. clurissa, let's start with you. just since this attack 24 hours ago have you seen or heard talk of kind of the shift in the balance of power or any kind of change on perceptions in the balance of power the. >> well, i think, anderson, you're not going to really see a major shift on the battlefield in terms of this is unlikely to really reign in the winning streak that the regime of bashar al assad has been on. but where you might see a bit of shift in balance is in this kind of larger proxy war. and for the long time now the u.s. has essentially bit sitting on the side lines wringing its hands over what to do and who to support, while russia has emerge said as sort of the dominant force in the syrian conflict.
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and i do think that for better or for worse or whatever inintention behind it, these u.s. strikes have certainly forced everyone at the negotiating table, whether it's the russians, whether it's those at hezbollah, whether it's those supporting the opposition to take stock for a moment, that the u.s. does have some leverage and is potentially going to involve itself, maybe having more of an impact, more of a voice, and more of a say. >> general hayden was on in the last hour and saying essentially you can't go against assad and syria at the same time -- excuse me, isis and assad at the same time and that isis is the priority for the u.s. do you agree with that? >> i think that one has to remember the problem here is that there are no good guys in syria. we hate assad. we hate isis. we hate al qaeda. those are the choices.
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and i think general hayden is right that in the long run our strategy has to be an isis-first strategy because isis is the main target. isis is the main enemy. and in that context there's only so much we can do to weaken assad. because let's say we were going to keep going on this path, the weaker assad gets, the stronger isis gets. overall the two strongest military forces in syria are isis and assad. we are now in the next few weeks going to return, i assume, to what the trump administration's primary focus has been, the war against isis, the battle against isis. and in doing that, we're going to be going hammer and tongs after isis. isis is also the assad regime's manu tacker. so in a strange sense the assad regime is kind of going to be in corporate alliance with us even though we just bombed them.
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that's the complexity, and we have to keep in mind certainly the first priority is the defeat of isis. we've actually gotten very close. because they're real priority is to get back to that fight against isis. >> matt, you said mentor mccain was on the in the last hour and was talking about he'd like to see the elimination against more attacks against the syrian air force, eliminate their capabilities and creating safe joans. all of that seems unlikely, if it's ever going to happen, until the battle against isis is completed. >> well, there's the battle of isis, which you're absolutely right about. and then there's also the fact that russia has setup radar, missile systems throughout government areas, russian troops, russian intelligence officers throughout these bases. so to celt up that no-fly zone is you risk a real compication
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of taking on russia and russian forces. and i find it hard to believe at this point that anyone in the united states would want to get in a shooting war with russia. and then you're talking about there's an end game issue here. once you get there, that's a whole different level. >> if you're not destroying all their aircraft, just shoot one down so you ground it and create these safe joans, if russia decides to challenge you in that, the risk of an escalation to matthew's point is enormous. >> it's huge. and i would counter senator mccain and lead more towards concongressman multien in an over arching strategy. we have used the military -- i'm
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sorry, regarding syria, we have used the military against isis. we have attempted in the obama administration to use massive amount of diplomacy with the russians and the syrians. and those are only two of the powers, and they're not synchronsed. if you bring diplomacy, economy, information, we're starting to see some informational tools being used against the russians because they have been the ones supporting isis. as long as assad is there, isis will continue to grow. it was just like isis in iraq. as long as maliki was there, they were thriving. so we can do two things at a time. counter missile assad, bring people to the peace table, and at the same time fight this terrorist scourge with isis. we can't separate them. they're combined.
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>> the problem is this, consider the situation here, which is if we were to achieve the objective we seek on the assad front, if we were able to oust the regime of assad tomorrow, what would happen? there's a large part of syria that is ruled by the assad regime, that is ruled by a lut of the minorities, the christians. they would all be in threat. it would be chaos. most likely those areas would be penetrated by jihadies at that point. it certainly would strengthen the forces of isis and al qaeda. we don't want assad in power, but we don't want a power vacuum either. and the idea we could carefully choreograph a transition from assad to a representative government of moderate syrians that would rule the place in a pluralistic fashion, that hasn't
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been our experience in places like iraq, afghanistan, yemen. you go from the dictator to chaos. >> ymgs, go ahead are, general. >> that's not what i was suggesting. i appreciate that, but you're talking forced regime change. and boy, have we learned some really hard lessons about doing that. but with the power of diplomacy, with forcing the russians to do some things with mr. assad, with information, and perhaps with some type of federation, i don't know i'm not a politician, but i do know there might be a better way with forced regime change. we've seen the power that that brings about, and it's awful. we can't go that way. >> just the sheer complexity of all the different actors inside syria and kind of the ever shifting areas that they are operating in and control, it's hard to -- to kind of overstate
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just how complex a scenario it is. >> it's incredibly complex. i mean i have spent six years studying this and spending so much time inside rebel held syria, i can barely get my head around all the different groups operating on the ground with all these different proxies. i certainly didn't think that we would see president trump kind of -- >> is that abu ivanka -- >> we've also seen them posting as their avtars on twitter and social media pictures of president donald trump, so this is a very unusual situation. i do think, though, if we just
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look for one second at the micro here, if we just look at the idea that potentially this series of strikes may have stopped the regime or at least caused them to think twice about kwluz using chemical weapons again and killing dozens of dozens of children, surely that is something to be embraced. >> i want to thank you everybody on the panel. coming up next president trump's sharp change in mind. and later how syria got here, the long and brutal road to atrocities to missile strikes last night. i picked out my dream car.
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that said it's a change from when donald trump was not only against the involvement with syria, but was also warning about any u.s. strike -- that was then. right now we're joined by jason miller. i do think the office, being in office is a lot different than being a civilian and reading about this stuff in the paper or even as a candidate. when you hear people asking that wag the dog theory, what do you think? >> well, the first thing i tell them is let's take a step back and recognize that president trump passed his first test on the world stage. i think he had excellent results. now, when we talk about the
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previous comments he had made, i would say that what he's faced with here is a humanitarian crisis and had to send a message that no longer are we going to lead from the back when it comes to chemical weapons and lead from assad. talk about north korea, i think kim jung-un was sent a message that president trump is not to be trifled with a message. the u.s. will go it alone and get it done themselves amch. >> it is, though, a change in policy essentially from what donald trump talked about during the campaign. he was asked about humanitarian interventions. just recently he said i'm not the world's policeman, i'm not president of the world, but this is clearly take a leadership on the world stage in terms of
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standing up for a principle. >> he during the campaign and even after being sworn in, he sort of put humanitarian concerns off to the side, that this wasn't going to be the use of soft power. when he was asked about, he said he didn't intend to use it. he's got to use all the tools alhis disposal in this very tricky part of the world. we'll have more on that, i guess, when the secretary of state meets face-to-face with putin. make no mistake this was not something that was suspected. so many political supporters have said this is isn't what we wanted, this is what you promised. if there's going to be a change. if this isn't just a deviation, but indeed a change or
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transformation, it's going to need to happen from the president himself, from the secretary of state. we started out with one intention and situations changed. >> we've seen this with many president, george bush who campaigned against the idea of nation building and then after 9/11 ends up in afghanistan, and we've been nation building there for a long time now. >> and certainly you give a new president leeway when it comes to these issues that he is challenged with on the world stage. but i think the cynicism comes in for donald trump because this wasn't just a change in a grade of a view or a slight change, like you said. it was a this is now foreign policy by whiplash. it's literally a 180-degree
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change in where he was. and look, i am glad he was move bide the images of dead babies and said that the world cannot turn away. he's right about that, but guess what, there were more dead babies in 2013 when he was tweeting at president obama it would be stupid to go into syria, calling him a fool to be considering the kind of action that he himself took on yesterday. and then when you also have somebody who has talked about banning refugees from syria whose families who have suffered those same exact dead babies and want to come here to be able to save the rest of their children, that's where you have the cynicism and hypocrisy involved. we need a strategy. we need what he's going to do there long-term. >> i want to play something he said earlier. >> our founders in the original days believe that war should be declared by congress. so i think before you even get
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into the debate of whether we should or shouldn't, we should start out with the law. and the law says that the president does not have the power to declare war, does not have the power to take us to war. >> what do you make of that, because again as civilian donald trump also tweeted about president obama needing to seek permission from congress on military action. >> i think it's important to point out this isn't a regime change. but it goes even beyond that. it's important to point out how this is a national security issue for the united states directly, not only our interest in the region, but they good easily try to deploy those weapons in israel, to go to turkey, to iraq. we had to take action here. i think wrrpt to senator paul, he's just wrong here. now, if there are additional strikes that are coming out, if
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there's a longer term engagement, or if they are issues where we have to do something about assad directly, then yes we have to go to congress. but, yes, the president was fully within his bounds to do so. >> that seems to be the case, but we really dent kne. we don't know how the russians will react. we don't know how their puppet assad will react. we don't know once again if the president's going avail himself of a very easy tool to say when they are people fleeing this regime, we will welcome them into the united states. if he closes off those options, yes, you can send in more military missiles, and they can hit whatever they want and sort of send message after message after message, but that's not the same as changing the policy. >> thank you. ahead last night's u.s. am
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well, the breaking news tonight the pentagon investigating whether russia was involved in the chemical attack in syria. now, tuesday's poison gas attack killed at least 86 people, injured dozens more. president trump's decision just two days later to strike the syrian air base. here's randy cay with how we got here. >> they call it the cradle of the revolution. this is darra, syria, a small town from the city of damascus. here's where gruty sparked the start of the government up rising. it was march 2011 and more than a dozen children had been
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arrested putting up that grufitty. it quickly turned violent with protests spreading and syrian security forces opening fire on crowds. >> if it is bombed every day, a thousand people die. this is our land and we will not leave it. >> protesters targeted the government of syrian president bashar al assad. >> translator: our enemies are working daily and scientifically to undermine the stability of syria. >> reporter: the regime's response was swift, a brutal crackdown, massive arrests, and casualties. the president made promises that never came. >> the level of action and anger here is absolutely palpable. thank you. this is a crowd here of perhaps
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several thousand people. they've taken over this whole area. >> reporter: the government militia continued to torture and murder their own people, using tankess in surprise raids. >> translator: i'm not the only one when is life has been zroid or whose husband is missing. everyone in this knty has a messing person or destroyed home. we have been through so much. we have suffered and come to hate life because of all these problems. >> reporter: e-mails show throughout it all they continue to live a life of luxury. one day in february 2012, the same day opposition fighters reported more than 200 killed, mr. assad's wife was e-mailing a friend about shoes she liked that cost about $7,000 a pair. in another e-mail in which syria's first lady used the fake name alia, she contacted a london art dealer about art that
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cost as much as $16,500. all of this during the senseless slaughter of syrians. the u.s. estimates about 400,000 syrians have been killed since the war began in 2011. and since last december nearly 5 million syrians have fled the country, only adding to the refugee crisis in the middle east. many in syria have lost hope. >> i'm not scared of the chemical weapons. does it make a difference to die with a bullet or with a cepical weapon. >> reporter: randy cay, cnn, new york. >> the ambassador to syria, he met twice with al assad. he joins us tonight.
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ambassador ford, you were the ambassador to sear you, one of the few americans who sat down with bashar al assad. what was your rimpressions of him? >> he is charm ag, actually. his english is fluent because he had studied medicine in britain. he's not stuck up. but he does get angry when i raised human rights with him. he got quite angry at me, and i think what most struck me is that several times during my conversations with him he just out-and-out lied about things they were doing. and he knew that i knew he was lying, and he did it anyway. >> he's lied repeatedly in interviews i've seen him in. thy lied about the demonstrations that began in daraa with the arrest of children that had sprayed some
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grufitty. and from the ginning he's been cracking down on his own people and labeling them terrorists. and ultimately isis grew and released extremists from syrian prisons and kind of created the enemy he was originally calling the peaceful protester. >> president assad best understands the language of force. i don't think he's worried about his credible when he tells falsehoods, tells lies. to him it's all about the balance of power. that's how he operates, how the syrian government operates. >> is it clear right now what the trump administration policy is to syria, what it continues to be in the last administration that bashar al assad has to go? because the secretary of state just last week seemed to indicate this is up to the
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syrian people, and then clearly the administration, president trump has had a change of heart to respond in the way he did last night. >> well, the administration has been all over the map in the past week. as you mentioned they said for a while assad is the reality, and he's going to stay, and we have to accept it. and then this week secretary tillerson says there are efforts to gather a coalition to remove assad. so i don't think i understand what the policy is. we'll let it play out. i think in terms of this political military strike, and it was a hard strike, but it was a hard strike, i think the purpose is to re-establish deterrence against the use of chemical weapons. and i think that is a worthy goal. >> a lot of people i think are asking why would assad do this now? i mean he basically, he's had the backing of russia, he has
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iran, and he had an administration in the u.s. which seemed to be kind of taking an hands-off approach to syria until this chemical attack. obviously, he's used chemical weapons before, but does it make sense to you he would risk doing it again? >> oh, sure. he's been using chemical weapons continuously since 2013. this isn't new. there have been lots of reports about syrian use of chemical weapons. assad does this, anderson, to intimidate civilians, to try to scare them from supporting opposition fighters. and in some cases he uses chemical weapons in a tactical military way to compensate for his shortfalls in man power, not so different from how the germans used gas in world war i. >> so what should in your opinion happy next? >> well, what i would urge the trump administration is stick to a limited goal in deterrence
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against the use of chemical weapons. it also boosts credibility with countries that mean us harm in other parts of the world. but i would caution the administration from plunging into deep military involvement in the syrian civil war unless they are prepared to draw up a very detailed plan to manage the politics, and to manage the reconstruction and to martial a big coalition and to martial resources. otherwise we're just going to get a repeat of iraq 2003. >> i appreciate your time. thank you. >> my pleasure. up next does a picture tell the story of a white house shake-up about to happen. ray's always been different. last year, he said he was going to dig a hole to china.
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all day we've been getting new details about how last night's misling strike unfoldal. this photo shows others being briefed at about 9:15 last night in a makeshift situation room at mar-a-lago. next to him secretary state tillerson on the president's left. steve bannon almost out of frame behind the president, practically under a lamp.
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maybe he chose that seat, we don't know. what is clear tonight is that there is speculation some in tump's circle head frg the door. >> reporter: some of president's top stafferers are in uncertain territory. he's become increasingly isolated in the west wing. it coming as trump took an unexpected leap in the foreign pall eswith the strike on syria. >> we hope that as long as america stands for justice, then peace and harmony will in the end prevail. >> reporter: the move outlining the fault lines emerging led by bannon and the more moderate crowd, including the president's
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son kushner. it appears the america-first group is seeing some sway. >> i will have that responsibility and carry it very proudly. >> reporter: it's an abrupt changing tone from the president on day one, hammering this message. >> from this day forward it's going to be only america first, america first. >> reporter: but trump has grown frusitated with infighting among top aides, and his inability to make more progress on his domestic agenda. the relationship between bannon and kushner has become more strained with bannon lumeanting he's locked into. trump removed him from the national security council's committee, this as trump was
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brushing up on foreign policy, ranly returning from iraq. trump once heaped praise on his chief of staff. now trump confudants are floating names, among them gary comb, trump's top economic advisor. also on the list house majority leader kevin mac carthy. he has experience on the hill and built a quiet relationship with trump. there's been no serious talks about him taking the job. he insisted he's already shaking up washington. now, coming off what is the most consequential moment of trump's presidency, it's clear he is not
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entirely happy with this team. >> what's the white house saying about these reports? >> well, the official word from the white house is there's a lot of there's nothing to see here. i want to read you report of what white house walters said. this is completely false story wanting to distract. >> thanks, very much. up next we have breaking news from stockholm, sweden where a stolen truck barrelled into people killing at least four. could that person still be on the run tonight? ithere was 14 of us in a four bedroom apartment,
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>> what we know is that a beer delivery truck was hijacked and driven down swiden's main shopping street, careening through crowds. you can't see it, but you have these buses here, which were literally abandoned in the frenzy, the whole area, when it's locked down, all trains into the capitol were cancelled and you can see here, it's still cordoned off as well. now, several people injured, several people killed, we know that the police released this image of someone who they were seeking and shortly afterswards they arrested someone to match that image. we don't know any more than that at this point. the borders have been secured as well. there's been some sort of ongoing threat potentially, the police are calming things down by saying there won't be any
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more updates tonight. >> the driver of -- the person who stole the vehicle, the driver of it ran away from the scene, got away? >> yeah, there's lots of evidence like that. the police aren't confirming anything like that. they're investigating something at this point, we don't quite know what it is. >> this does follow a pattern of vehicles being used as deadly weapons, whether it's in nice, berlin and now this? >> yeah, i reported all those places anderson, what's frightening about this, it fits into this pattern a very low tech attack. and again, the same sort of eyewitness testimony, you have people describing how a truck is out of control. no one knew what was going on, they didn't realize it was terror, until it was too late. a low tech attack, it works, effectively time after time. this time, it feels routine, the
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reporting. it doesn't feel as if we're going to learn anything knew from it. we'll learn to live with it many. >> how unusual is this for something like this in stockholm. >> i think there had been an incident in this very area a while ago. >> it was a failed suicide attack. and actually frightening, it could have caught huge amounts of casualties. it was failed, it was botched. it has happened here, that was seen as a first sort of plot that nearly transpired. they haven't been doing enough, they are under a lot of pressure tonight. he's doing what he can to keep the country safe, he's saying, it could happen again. >> max foster, thanks very much, we'll be right back. there it is. now you're an expert in less than a minute. this is truecar.
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and that does is it for this edition of 360. thanks for watching. hope you have a good weekend. cnn newsroom starts right now. welcome to our viewers in the u.s. and around the world, i'm robin. >> i'm michael holmes. >> the kremlin denying allegations that its military may have been complicit in the use of chemical weapons against syrian civilians earlier this week. >> it is questioning if russia helped syria carry out the chemical attack from that airfield near homs or knew about it and did not stop it. we get the latest from barbara starr. >> this was the message president trump wanted to send to
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