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are a little more free to express themselves. >> it makes me just open up a little differently. it makes the conversations seem more natural. >> i maintain their confidentiality. if we're a little too close to others we'll stop for a minute and let people pass. >> i'm an outdoors guy by nature. i like to garden and i like being active and so this is just a natural fit for me. the park itself is really part of the therapy process. when i had therapy in the past and you go into an office, it just feels sterile. >> which we aen we're out walki moving forward and it's the exact same thing we're doing in the therapeutic process, we're moving forward. the u.s. military is investigating whether russia was complicit in the syrian regimes gruesome chemical weapons attack on civilians. >> the united states took a very measured step.
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we are prepared to do more. >> i wish that we would obey the constitution and do this the way our founding fathers intended. >> it was the right move. it was legal. >> the president at his mar-a-lago resort, he has this whole command center with him. they're watching the reaction here in syria. >> there are tensions within the white house just as there are tensions within president trump himself. >> all the focus is also on russia. the secretary of state will be going there next week. that's where this goes next. top of the hour now. good saturday morning to you. i'm victor blackwell in new york. >> and i'm brianna kielar in washington for christi paul. the united states is delivering a new warning for syria and keeping a suspicious eye on russia this morning. the pentagon is investigating whether moscow was involved in that chemical attack that killed dozens of people including
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children. the kremlin is staunchly denying any complicity in the attack or a possible coverup, but it is ratcheting up the stakes for secretary of state rex tillerson when he travels to moscow for his first meeting with russia's foreign minister next week. russia flexing its muscles. russia has deployed a warship armed with cruise missiles to the mediterranean sea, the same area where american ships launched that volley of tomahawk missiles into syria just a few days ago. >> we've got our correspondents and expert analysts tracking the latest on the aftermath from those strikes on syria. >> and i want to begin with cnn pentagon reporter ryan brown. what are officials telling us, ryan, about this investigation into russia and perhaps its role in this chemical attack? >> good morning, brianna. that's right, the military tells us that they're looking at a couple of different things. one is that there were russian troops at this base that was struck by these cruise missiles.
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now, these troops were part of an aviation unit, so it begs the question whether they were aware that chemical weapons were being loaded onto syrian aircraft that carried out that strike. now, the other thing they're looking at is that they've reserr observed a russian drone flying over the hospital that was also struck five hours after the chemical weapons attack. some say that was an effort to cover up the chemical weapons attack so they're looking at whether that drone fed information to kind of provide that secondary strike against the hospital. so these are some of the things they're looking at to determine whether or not russia was complicit in that chemical weapons attack. >> there has been a suspension of a hotline that would help the u.s. and russian forces coordinate when it comes to syria. the u.s. does have troops that operate in syria, about 1,000. what can you tell us about this? >> that's right. the russians announced their intention to suspend what's called this decon flicks channel.
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that was established by both the u.s. and russia launched air strikes in syria. the u.s. targets isis. russia targets opposition groups as well as strikes against isis so they want to make sure to avoid any aerial encounters. now, the military is telling us its troops in syria that are fighting isis, they're taking extra precaution area steary st sure there's no retaliation against them. they're using surveillance to monitor the situation. they're not exactly saying what steps they're taking, but these troops, about 1,000 of them in syria, are being watched more closely to make sure that they're protected. >> all right, ryan brown recovering the pentagon for us, thank you so much. >> victor. >> let's bring in our cnn political analyst and former u.s. military at tash shay and white house correspondent for american radio network, ivan i lan and our political commentator and democratic
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strategist. good morning to all. i want to start with this investigation at the pentagon into potentially if russia was involved or attempted to cover up this chemical attack. is there any plausible explanation for that russian drone being over the hospital where some of the victims were being treated hours after the chemical attack beyond some involvement or attempt to cover this up with the information that we know that soon after the drone was there, there was a bomb that was dropped onto that hospital. >> if you were a conspiracy theorist you would say one led to the other. i'm not sure that's exactly the case. the russians fly drones all the time. it's part of their targeting process. they also feed that information to the syrian air force. the syrian air force strikes some targets, the russian air force strikes some targets. so we really don't know. it does make the case that maybe they were aware, but just a russian drone over a particul particular target. we have seen the systematic
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destruction of almost every medical facility in the rebel controlled areas. they did it in aleppo during the battle tlhere. now as it fighting shifts to idlib, we're seeing it there as well. this is something we need to look at, not just this one particular incident but this is systemic by the russians against medical facilities. >> april, we've seen and heard the criticisms coming from some of the president's most staunch supporters. we've seen the tweets coming from ann colter and others as well questioning his decision to get involved here. if this is just a one-off, does this fade this from the supporters who liked it? >> the president said when he was running for president he did not want to be the president of the world, but you know, as the president of the united states, you are the leader of the free world and there is a moral authority. you have to remember, he talked
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about just last week what president obama did not do when president obama was president, when president obama set the red line around syria. so this president acted on it. when president obama was president, he looked for congressional support. he did not receive it, so he did not go in in 2013. but this president did it without congressional support. it's a mixed bag with his supporters. some are saying he looks very presidential at this moment. others are concerned with the issue of the lack of congressional support. but at the same time you have to remember this. if this is a statement, just a statement to say we are watching is one thing, but if he goes even further, to make efforts to remove bashar al assad, that is a big issue for the world community and that could actually spur russia to say we are at war with the united states because they do not want us to go to war and take bashar
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al assad out of power. >> ivan, there seems to be no consistency there. before the chemical attack, we heard from secretary tillerson and ambassador haley that the u.s. is essentially okay with assad there. after the attack the secretary said that there were efforts under way to remove him. just last night the white house would not say whether or not they want assad to be removed from power, and that makes it quite difficult to walk into the meeting with the foreign minister next week when no one really knows where the u.s. stands on assad. >> yeah, i think the policy is a muddle right now and that's unfortunate because if you're trying to send a signal which this obviously was, they didn't do that much damage and they even warned the syrians and the russians that we're coming. if you're trying to send a message, you're not being very effective because your message is muddled. i think also this attack probably undermines the primary goal of the u.s. which trump has
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said, and that is to fight isis. we're trying to fight isis. if we now have to watch out for russian air defenses because they were not observing this agreement anymore, doesn't that at least make us more tenuous in our efforts to get rid of isis. >> maria, this week is ending politically at least a little better for president trump than it started. it started with so many questions about the russia investigations. you had chairman nunes step aside, questions still there. those are not gone, but it ended with these compliments and the praise from some of his political foes including democrats for this strike in syria. how do you rate the president? >> i think you're right about that and i think frankly that is one of the reasons why the president took this action and that might sound cynical but, you know, given his history of trying to muddy the waters with distractions, this is probably the biggest distraction that
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there is out there. like you said, we're not really talking about his purported russian connections during the election, but also like you said, that is not going away. ironically, the situation that he is in now and i think the bottom line here is that, yes, he took action last night and he's getting a lot of praise, but what does it mean now? does it mean that, you know, his focus has now changed and he does want to take assad out? i think that right now his foreign policy is still incohere incoherent. it lacks a broader strategy. it is clearly still based on gut instinct, based on television images, and based on whoever is the last person who has whispered in his ear. that is not a way to run a country, and yes, the actions have been praised but ironically they've also been praised by a lot of republicans who did not want to give president obama
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support, to april's point, back in 2013, to do exactly the same thing that trump did in the last couple of days. >> let's take a break. we have a lot to talk about. brianna, to you in washington. the attack in stockholm could have been so much worse. that's what investigators are saying as they comb through the evidence. we are going live to sweden for an update on that next. plus syrian refugees say they are horrified after this week's chemical attack and now they are demanding more u.s. action to keep their relatives left behind out of danger. we are joined by syrian sisters with a cause coming up.
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if we're going to intervene if a conflict, it better pose a direct threat to our interests that most americans will know where the hot spot is on the globe and will quickly understand why we're getting involved. the threat should be so direct that our leaders should be able to make the case clearly and concisely and goes on to write, at the same time, we must not get involved in a long festering conflict for humanitarian reasons. does this appear to reach then citizen trump's thresholds? >> we're seeing that just with the shakeup in the national security council this week the stakes are so high and over the years we've come to find out that when you have dictatorships or countries that are rogue states or what have you and then you have issues of terrorism breeding out of those countries, it is something that directly
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affects us, so there is a link to the united states and syria. you have isis that is growing there, that's attacking people there, and then you also have a leader, bashar al assad, who is allowing his forces to poison his people with sarin gas and chlorine and things of that nature, so there is a direct impact when you say a place like syria has this happening because if you continue to allow these situations to happen, it just breeds terror, it breeds so many things that the tentacles can come to our country, so he's learning this as president. it's interesting also, victor, there is a tweet from 2012, going back to donald trump's comments about then president obama, he said something about his poll numbers at the time, you know, and wanting to bomb another country. he said, it's deplorable and despicable, and people are retweeting that. so citizen trump versus
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president trump is two totally different things. i think he's redefining his foreign policy posture. >> that's exactly what maria was getting to. let me pick up from what april was saying, and ivan, bring it to you. if we now or the united states i should say has created this precedent, the president has created this precedent that he will get involved if it's at the level of chemical weapons, does the united states now go back to not being involved after 400,000 people, almost all of them have died from some other weapon, barrel bombs and the rest, do we stay out of that fight after we've now created this precedent that we will get involved militarily in syria? >> that's the problem when you intervene in countries, no matter how limited it is, you sort of buy into what happens next if you don't deter assad or any other leader from doing what you didn't want them to do. so what do we do next. i hope they have a plan down the
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road. it may not be. this happened pretty quickly. that's one of my problems with this is it doesn't fit into a strategic vision that has been enunciated after he's been president. you just read his version when he was a citizen and i happen to like that version. i think we should only use military power when we really need to and in the national interest. there's no strategic interest in syria. bismarck would come back and say if your enemies are fighting isis, al qaeda versus the regime, obviously despicable, let them fight, right? so we really have no strategic thinking and i think trump as a citizen really nailed it but he's not following that as president so far. >> let me jump in here. we now know that syria has chemical weapons. what will be the effort or what
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should be the effort to find and destroy them now? >> i'm not sure we're ever going to find and destroy them all. i lived in syria for quite a while and spent a lot of time trying to track down these very things. there's a lot of places to hide these kind of weapons. it's a very difficult country to get a handle on, very secretive, so we may never know. the question is not whether they have them, it's whether they're going to use them. a lot of countries have weapons that we would rather they didn't, as long as they're deterred from using them. the point is we've told the syrians and now demonstrated to the syrians that the use of chemical weapons is unacceptable and we will react if they do so. but i do take the point mentioned earlier that 400,000 syrians have died via other means so it almost seems like we're giving people a license to kill but cross that line and the u.s. will be spurred into action. >> thank you, everybody, for being with us. >> thanks.
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breaking news out of sweden this morning where a deadly attack in the nation's capital could have been so much worse. local media reports that a bomb was found in the truck used in yesterday's attack, but it didn't properly detonate. cnn international correspondent max foster is joining us live now from stockholm. this is so alarming, max, but certainly this is, you know, in what has been a horrible story, it obviously could have also been so much worse. >> reporter: yeah, we're hearing that there was some sort of device, some sort of technical device in the vehicle. they're investigating that and that's been interpreted by some as a bomb but we haven't got that official notification from the police. they say they are holding a 31-year-old suspect. he was an uzbek national and had been living here in sweden and he was known to the police so they accepted that there are parallels here with the attack that happened in parliament in london as well recently where
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again someone carried out a similar style attack with a vehicle and was known to the police. same in berlin, same in nice as well. fits into this pattern and it's a frightening pattern as well across europe where people can just take a vehicle and drive into a crowd in one of the most busy places in europe really. if you look down the street this is where the vehicle would have been thundering down, would have been full of people, it's a pedestrianized area. you may be able to make it out through the flowers as well where it went -- drove literally into a department store and came to a halt. luckily, as you say, it didn't explode. >> max foster, we are getting some new pictures in there from stockholm, sweden. thank you so much, max, for that report. the crises in syria raising fears for refugees who managed to escape. we speak to two sisters what are blasting the chemical attack
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welcome back. i'm victor blackwell in new york. >> i'm brianna kielar. was russia involved in the chemical attack on syria. a u.s. military official says the pentagon is examining whether a russian war plane bombed a hospital five hours after the attack. the chemical attack tuesday killed at least 80 people and injured dozens more. these images that you're seeing of the aftermath prompted president trump to act. russian president vladimir putin blasting the decision to strike the assad regime as a, quote, act of aggression, saying that the move dealt a serious blow to russian/u.s. relations, this
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coming off putin initially denied a chemical attack even happened in syria. u.n. ambassador nikki haley says the u.s. is prepared to do more and democratic senator richard blumenthal who serves on the armed services committee says russia used the attack to test the united states. >> i think there's mounting evidence that they were complicit one way or the other, that they knew about it, russians at some level knew about it, and they should be held accountable. russia is testing us around the world through a violation of the inf treaty involving missiles. others steps that have been taken are ongoing. >> syrian refugees here in the u.s. say they're horrified. they fear for their lives, the lives at least of their relatives left behind in the war torn country. cnn's rachel crane is with us now. you're speaking with some of the people here in the u.s. who have family members still in syria. what are they telling you? >> it's a mixed bag of reactions
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to this air strike. many are frustrated that intervention didn't happen sooner or that this crises has been going on for years. some people pointing out that donald trump has very distinctly flip-flopped on his stance on syria and they think that this air strike is simply a political move. many as you pointed out who have families still in syria are grateful that any action has taken place at all. take a listen to what a few of them had to say. >> it's about time, i mean, to get rid of this tyrant, this evil tyrant and stop him -- and stop those who are supporting him. i mean, syrian people have been crying, begging for such action. >> i'm happy, yes. i'm happy. because, you know, we've been suffering for five years. nobody can take any action. people dying, crying everywhere in syria.
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nobody do it. nobody do it. but i hope it continue. that's what i'm hoping. signs is good. good signs. >> no sane person would welcome war or destruction or bombing to their country, to their country, their homeland, anywhere. no sane person would welcome that but the fact that syrians are happy about the air strike just speaks to the desperation of the situation for the last six years. >> victor, i also spoke to one syrian restaurant owner here in the states and he pointed out, he said that it's ironic that trump wants to do this strike and on the other hand block syrian refugees from coming into this country. he also went on to underscore how he believes that this is a political move. he said that donald trump is killing the chicken to scare the cow, in this instance the cow being north korea. as i pointed out, a lot of mixed
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emotions from the syrians but many are grateful that any action has taken place. >> there's optimism after this air strike or this strike rather, but i wonder if now that we know that this is linked specifically to a chemical attack and it will not be linked to any other type of conventional bombing, is that optimism going to last? >> that's the question here. but as i pointed out, many are still clinging to that optimism that they have right now, hoping that it continues but of course that's the big question mark right now. >> what will the strategy be moving forward. rachel crane, thanks so much. brianna. >> my next guests are syrian sisters who say the chemical attack was a torturous way to kill. now they're praising the administration for launching these strikes against the regime. i'd like to welcome huda and hima. you are two of triplets, i would like to point that out. we do not have your sister with
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us. tell me about your reaction to the chemical attack, what you thought when you saw those pictures and also what went through your mind when you saw this strike happen on the syrian base. >> so of course seeing a chemical attack, it's such a torturous way to kill and horrific way to act on your own people. and we just want to focus on the children that went through this and are stuck in the middle of this war. so these children, they're stuck in syria. they're being under threat for their lives. they are being bombed, now chemical attacks. it just seems like the situation keeps escalating more and more and they have no other way out, which is why we think the administration and the united states should go further in letting these kids who are stuck in this situation in because they can't move on with their lives. >> i want to talk to you about that, especially you can speak
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to that as syrian refugees. but huda, i wonder, when you saw that this strike had taken place, were you surprised? what was your reaction? >> i was surprised that the air strike had taken place because after six years, more than six years of kind of silence from america, this is a positive step towards syria and it's a good leadership initiative that's happening for the syrian people. >> what did you think, heba? >> well, we were completely surprised that something like this has ever happened. for us, any chemical attack on its people, any danger to people is something horrific and something completely no one should ever stand for. as americans and as the ability that we have as american people to help the syrian refugees, i think that we have so much resources here, so many resources here that we can use to help syrian children and
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further their education, help them, and just save these people. >> so you're glad and if you can speak to something, you're certainly glad to have seen this attack, i know so many people, certainly your family members must have felt like this was a long time coming but to your point, to your sister's point, how do you square this with president trump's policy when it comes to refugees and what do you want to see? >> this air strike and this kind of warning towards the syrian government, it kind of contradicts his policy towards syrian refugees. you can't sympathize with the syrian people to the point where you have an air strike and at the same time keep them in that kind of situation. you're keeping them locked in and forcing them under these bombs and under the chemical attacks. >> heba, what do you think about that? >> i do agree with that. i do think that a part of helping these people, it's not
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just by using these chemical attacks but also and striking them as by bringing them in, helping them, bringing them into our country. >> tell me if you have not, have you or your parents been in touch with your family back home? what are you hearing? >> yes, um, we are -- they're currently in damascus so they're in the safe zone for where they are, but they're all just completely shocked that something like this has happened and are hoping for the best. >> we're certainly thinking of you and your family at this time. thank you so much. huda and heba, we do appreciate you joining us. if you do want to help the people in syria, you can go to cnn.com and click on impact your world. president trump says he has an outstanding relationship with the chinese president, but just months ago he accused china of raping the united states.
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after a two-day summit in florida, president trump has nothing but good things to say
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about china's president. he called the meetings between the two productive and says that he has an outstanding relationship with president xi. to cap it off, president trump made it a family affair. he brought his grandchildren, two of ivanka's young children, to perform a song for the first couple of china, but it was not long ago when the president was singing a different tune. china was one of his favorite targets on the campaign trail where he accused the country of robbing and abusing the united states. so what can we expect for the future of the relationship between the two countries. here's cnn national correspondent matt rivers. >> you would be forgiven if you thought this first meeting between president xi and president trump would have been more awkward than it seemed given what candidate trump said frequently throughout the 2016 campaign. china of course was one of his most frequent targets and
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specifically the unfair trade practices as he put it that china engages in. but this meeting by all accounts appeared to go after without a hitch really. it was very diplomatic. both sides appearing to be quite happy with the outcome of the meeting even if there were no concrete results that both sides can point to after this meeting was over. but in terms of what was talked about, we know from the white house that president trump said that he brought up the fact that he does have concerns over the chinese economic treatment of the united states. he told xi jinping that he's afraid there's not a level playing field for american workers. then of course they discussed north korea, the most urgent topic shared between the countries. they agreed to work together on north korea despite their differences in viewpoints over how best to solve the north korean crises. the readout from the white house basically says that both countries agreed to work together to solve it without giving anymore specifics. the other big point from the readout from the white house would be that both sides discussed the ongoing confrontation in the south china
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sea, china of course building up islands and the united states opposed to that and apparently they did discuss that as well. those are the big three topics there but again the overall tone of this meeting very, very friendly. we're also told by the south koreans earlier today that donald trump had about a 20-minute phone call on saturday with the president of south korea and during that phone call president trump told president xi that the united states remained committed to that anti-defense missile system in south korea that has really gotten china upset over the past year or so, but president trump apparently standing by the united states' position there moving forward. so even though there are a lot of differences between these two countries, even though donald trump frequently targeted china on the campaign trail, it does appear that this meeting was diplomatic if being totally overshadowed by those air strikes that were launched by
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the united states into syria. that certainly was the main theme over the past few days, but it does appear that this meeting between these two leaders for the first time went off without a hitch. matt rivers, cnn, beijing. with the senate's confirmation of neil gorsuch, the court now has a justice to break any deadlocked votes. we'll take a look at what major cases his vote could play a role in. that's coming up. first, the epa recently awarded $100 million to flint michigan for water infrastructure upgrades but many families still suffer from the effects of led poisoning. chris cuomo looks at how families are being affected by the water crises. >> reporter: many people may have been forgotten by the flint water crises, but for families like leanne walters, her twin boys are a daily reminder of led poisoning. >> they both have hand/eye
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the senate's confirmation of neil gorsuch to become the next supreme court justice could mean a conservative majority on the bench for some time. friday's vote 54 to 45 for gorsuch was mainly along party lines with just three democrats siding with the g.o.p. the court operating with 8 justices since justice scalia's death a year ago and republicans' refusal to consider president obama's nominee.
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ariana, good morning to you. >> good morning. >> we talked about this throughout the week and it tr l triggered the so-called nuclear option to 51 votes. what's the impact moving forward and the potential impact on the court? >> it's interesting, right, because everybody talks about the impact on the senate but it will be felt at the court. we could see, for instance, down the road less mainstream nominees. presidents will also feel more pressure from interest groups, right? they're always pushing their cause and in the back presidents have said in past days that person isn't confirmable. that's changed now so we'll see that. victor, this one thing that i think is important to point out and it's a repercussion that seems superficial and it's about perception but it's a big deal because the legitimacy of the court is based on this belief that justices are engaged in this good faith effort to go where the law leads them. it's not about politics. so when judges and justices see
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the display at the senate about the politics involved in this, they say that that's bad because people, um, they accept opinions thinking they're based on the law. and if there's some sort of political component, it will make them less likely to accept them, and that's why they worry about shows like we saw last week. >> we know that gorsuch is a favorite of conservatives. in his speech accepting the nomination he called the late justice antonin scalia a lion of the law and said that he'll miss him, but how does gorsuch line up next to scalia? how do they compare and contrast? >> there's a lot we know about neil gorsuch and a lot we don't know. one of the reasons that he was picked is that he had this long paper trail from his time on the 10th circuit. he has ruled on religious liberty issues, separation of powers, and conservatives both like those opinions. his critics say he's been
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pro-corporation although he pushed back hard on that. but what we don't know about him is several big issues. he's never ruled directly on roe v. wade or gay marriage or the second amendment, but conservatives say that he aligns with justice antonin scalia's judicial philosophy so they feel like on those big issues he will go in the direction that they like using that philosophy. so that's where we think he stands. but of course, you never know really until they start ruling. >> and we know that one of those big topics will be coming to the court at some point while he's there on the bench. and what else are we expecting that then justice gorsuch will have to decide upon? >> it's interesting because he's being sworn in on monday and i think by thursday he'll sit in his first closed-door conference, right? and those conferences are for cases that are coming up before the court, and he could discuss a big religious liberty case, as
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well as a case out of north carolina about their voter i.d. law, and there's the second amendment case teed up that the court could consider taking having to do with the issue of concealed carry. he also will sit in two weeks and hear arguments on a religious liberty case, and victor, one other thing of course and these are still percolating in the lower court, but president trump's travel ban is at the lower court level. that could come up to the court maybe on some kind of emergency motion, and that will put him in an unusual position. there he is put on the bench by president trump and he'll be having to review one of trump's big policies so far. so that's what we're seeing coming down the pike. the end of the term, the term goes until the end of june. >> all right, swearing in on monday. ariana, thanks so much. >> thank you. that's it for us. we'll see you back here at 10:00 eastern for an hour of newsroom.
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