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secretary tillerson faces his biggest challenge thus far pushing russia to stop supporting assad. russia u.s. military action, what did u.s. military strikes destroy. day 82 of the trump presidency and we have cnn correspondents all over the world for you. so let's begin our coverage with nic robertson, live at the g7 summit in italy next. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. the talks here are just wrapping up now. you have britain, france, germany, japan, canada, all the g7 brought in additional turkish, saudi arabian, broaden the mandate so secretary tillerson can take when he goes to moscow that journey beginning now. what is that mandate? not to be sacksed.
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there is sanctioned. not box them in. with secretary tillerson arriving that could be productive. the firm believe here is russia must back away from its support of bashar al assad, must begin to help bring a cease-fire to syria, must begin to support the international peace political process to transition away from president bashar al assad. this seems to be what we're hearing from the italians, the french. we're going to hear from some of those other nations in the coming hours or so. that is the strong message that will go to russia with secretary tillerson. the war in syria needs to end. russia has a major role to play in it and cannot back away from its responsibilities. chris. >> nic, thank you very much. a lot of news happening right now. in just a few hours secretary of state rex tillerson is going to arrive in moscow. relations to the u.s. and moscow, according to russian
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officials, as bad as they have been since the korcold war. context couldn't be bigger. whether or not russia knew about the chemical strike that happened in syria. michelle kusinski, we're waiting on putin to address this morning as well, right? >> right, chris. he's supposed to speak any minute. so he's going to be here with his italian counterpart. they have been having a meeting. we expect him to at least in some part address the strikes in syria, u.s. relationship. we've heard such strong rhetoric on both sides, russia calling it an act of aggression, saying the u.s. is getting very close to being in a military clash with russia. the u.s. side saying that nothing is off the table. but now we're seeing as we're getting closer to a u.s.-russian
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meeting, at this point we don't know if vladimir putin is going to meet with secretary tillerson. it's customary when a u.s. secretary of state comes here that putin extends an invitation, there have been some reports that is going to happen but so far there is no official line there is that invitation. we do know secretary tillerson is going to meet with the russian foreign minister. there has been reporting over the past couple of days that this is going to be a hard line that the secretary will deliver. it will be something like an ultimatum telling russia to drop assad, accusing them of complicit. but when we're hearing now from rex tillerson just over the last two days when he was asked, is this going to be an ultimatum, he said, well, we're going to try to change their tune on this. was russia complicit? he said there is no hard evidence of that. so he's not wanting to go into this meeting with that hard line, but it's clear there's going to be a very difficult
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discussion that's going to take place very soon. >> thanks so much for laying all that out for us. meanwhile the white house continues to send mixed messages on president trump's evolving foreign policy particularly on syria and when the president will take military action again. also, questions about the effectiveness about u.s. missile strike on the base in syria. joe johns is at the white house to help us understand it all. hi, joe. >> good morning, alisyn. the question seems to be where do they go from here on syria. the administration articulating its policy it will go it alone if necessary on difficult issues if there is a u.s. interest at stake. nonetheless very difficult this morning for the administration to put forward what you could call a coherent foreign policy. >> if you gas a baby, put a barrel bomb in on innocent people, i think you will see a
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response from the president. >> reporter: white house secretary sean spafr saying another barrel bomb could result in missile strikes. >> when you watch babies and children be gassed and sufrl under barrel bombs you are instantaneously moved to action. >> this would mark a dramatic escalation of u.s. action considering assad's regime dropped 495 barrel bombs last month alone according to syrian network for human rights. spicer meant to signal the president is never going to rule anything out. further muddying the waters this interventionist comment from secretary of state rex tillerson at the g7 summit in italy. >> we rededicate ourselves to holding account to any and all that hurt innocents around the
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world. >> different from trump's world vision. >> we're not going to become a world policeman running around the world. >> assad is unclear. >> a stable syria where assad is in power. >> spicer seemingly taking the position taking bin u.n. ambassador nikki haley on sunday. >> regime change is something we think is going to happen. it's going to be hard to see a government peaceful and stable from assad. >> opposite from statements from rex tillerson. >> once we conclude the battle against isis, and it is going quite well, then we hope to turn our attention to achieving cease-fire between the regime and opposition forces. >> i think they are still searching, frankly, for a policy and a strategy. >> meantime syrian warplanes are back in the sky taking off from the air base hit by the u.s.
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with dozens of cruise missiles. pentagon claims it caused 20% of the aircraft to be destroyed. two officials tell cnn it was 20 planes not 20%. one voice absent in the debate over syria is the voice of president trump who has asked the defense secretary to give him a complete assessment of the damage in the cruise missile strike on friday. the pentagon has not held a briefing since friday. >> that is part of the problem. joe, thank you very much for that reporting. what do these mixed messages, conflicting facts mean? let's try to nail it down with our experts, cnn military analyst, cnn political analyst abb abby phillip and ambassador burns. thank you for being here as we muddle through this. ambassador i'm going to start with you. when the secretary of state says what we all obviously wish in our heart that the united states
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will rededicate ourselves to holding to account any and all who commit crimes against the innocent anywhere in the world, what does that mean in terms of our policy? >> well, it's confusing. the administration has had trouble sticking to one message, because they are struggling for a strategy. when you see these statements you're looking at an administration trying to find its way forward. it was appropriate last week. it was the right decision for president trump to launch the cruise missile attack because of the use of sarin gas. frankly, they ought to be sending the message, they may be, any repeated use by assad of chemical weapons will meet with another attack by the united states. the broad statements particularly by rex tillerson in italy and sean spicer, they are impossible to implement in this
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environment. the key is the visit to moscow. they have to decide how hard to push the russians toward international investigation, extraordinarily difficult to do because the russians are strong in syria the talk they can somehow push the russians easily toward negotiations i think is misleading. the russians have a base there. they have iran and hezbollah working with them. they are in a stronger position than the united states. >> that was just echoed by the italian official at the g7 saying russia has to be part of the solution. syria, what a big day. have you this formation of what the points of consensus are with the international community and how that will play out when tillerson and his russian counterpart meet later today. today the stakes couldn't be higher in terms of this issue. the premise that, yes, america should rededicate itself, very controversial. we just had an election where a huge slice of the american people said no way. no more america is policeman. there's more going on all the
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time. it's really ugly, unfair, let them handle it. that was a big part of this. now a big change. a point of interest on it. spicer says chemical weapons, no way. barrel bombs, no way. people say, oh, no, he went too far. barrel bombs are horrible things, flying ieds inaccurate filled with horrible agents in them. they cause amazing devastation to people. what does it tell you they are triers to parse things that are equals. >> it's hard to discern a coherent message out of this. as ambassador burns mentioned, there are some really difficult ways to go through this. the electoral base that said no more wars, in essence, is not going to be happy with anything said from this particular point. from a military perspective, barrel bombs like you said are flying ieds. they are actually one of the most destructive weapons that anybody can use. they are not modern weapons.
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they are completely imprecise and they wreak a lot of havoc on civilian populations. that's the type of thing that's completely anathema to the way in this the united states wants to fight foreign policy and anathema the way we fight wars. >> are we misinterpreting the trump voter. they weren't pieeace nics. when it's in our national security interest we'll act. it's hard to know if a chemical attack in syria was somehow in our national security interest but wouldn't they get on board if he frames it that way? >> it's hard to know. it's very clear the white house is still trying to figure this out, too. they aren't sure how far they can go. between sunday and monday you had two different kinds of lines being drawn here by nikki haley
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and rex tillerson on chemical weapo weapons. then it expanded into more conventional barrel bombs monday. part of that has to do with the fact they want to make sure the president isn't going too faa out of his base. many saying this is going way too far. what's the difference between doing what you're doing here and what we were opposed to with president obama years ago. the white house doesn't know. they are trying to kind of like go back and forth just to test the waters out. for foreign policy that makes for, you know, really confuse on the world stage at a moment when people are looking to the united states for leadership. >> also getting a mixed message on the facts, effectiveness and outcome of that syrian missile strike. the president putting out this odd tweet about why you don't blow up runways, wasn't my experience in battle areas, they blow up lots of runways.
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>> do you generally -- >> if you want to destroy an air base. >> if you want to stop them from launching strikes. >> if you want to destroy an air base, absolutely, you destroy the runway. let's say you have a place where runways cross, that's the point you hit. any place that is an aircraft hangar, any place where there are something like fuel storage areas, weapons facilities, all of that stuff. >> but they didn't do that here. >> that's right. what that tells me is the goal was really not to do that. they didn't want to destroy the syrian air force or that base but what they wanted to do was send a message. when you mentioned some of the fact issues, the business about destroying 20% of the syrian air force, absolutely not. twenty aircraft, yes, that's possible. one air base, one location, one wing. there's no way you can get 20% of that air force even though it's a relatively small air force. >> nick burns, it also raises the question of policy objectives. they wanted it to look like a
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massive success. $100 million of tomahawk missiles sent over there. trump trying to play cover with what happened with the runways. it was really silly to people in the military community that we left the runways alone because they are quick to fill in. what does that suggest to you about what this administration is still trying to do to show success? >> i think they just don't know where they are going on syria. a week ago today, chris, the administration was saying they are backing off any commitment to syria whatsoever. you remember that. then the sarin gas attack. that led the president, i think for the right reasons, to say we had to respond in some fashion to send a signal to assad. the problem now is russia has all the leverage. as rex tillerson goes to moscow, i think he correctly has been saying we need an international negotiation to end this war. 12 million homeless, hundreds of thousands dead, but you're not going to do that unless we have leverage on the ground. that gets you back to the
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difficult issues president obama tried to sort out. do we arm syrian militia, convince assad and russians they can't win a total victory? that's a strategic question. they seem to be all over the map struggling to find their way forward. it's difficult but they have to be more disciplined. >> we should also point out that the pentagon has not had a single press briefing since thursday's missile strikes which leads to guessing. the pentagon could answer some of these things. instead we're casting about for what the logic is. panel, thank you very much for all of this. up next the white house trying to downplay some high-level infighting. can jared kushner and steve bannon co-exist before someone gets shown the door. >> plus take a look at this video. that screaming is a chinese doctor refusing to leave. he's okay. the screams are showing the kind of height of the emotions of the
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situation, not the reality. those are his glasses. that wasn't blood coming out of his face. they are dragging him off the united flight because it was overbooked. is this the way an airline should be able to act? we'll give you the facts. you decide ahead. you go. it's that splenda naturals gal, isn't it? coffee: look, she's sweet, she's got natural stevia, no bitter aftertaste, and zero calories. all the partners agree? even iced tea? especially iced tea. goodbye, sugar. hello, new splenda naturals. could bounce back like it used to? neutrogena® hydro boost water gel. instantly quenches skin to keep it supple and hydrated day after day. with hydrating hyaluronic acid, which retains up to a thousand times its weight in water. this refreshing water gel plumps skin cells with intense hydration and locks it in. for supple, hydrated skin that bounces back. the hydro boost skincare line from neutrogena®. see what's possible.
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he understands that we have some pretty smart, talented individuals who are opinionated on a lot of subjects but our battles and policy differences need to be behind closed doors. there was a lot of stuff joempb blown about this that makes it oout into the media and makes it more sensational than it really is. >> that's white house sean spicer trying to tamp down any infighting. cnn analyst david drucker. great to have all of you. patrick, let's start with this. reports of high-level infighting, somebody going to be shown the door, that probably is a little overblown. is it fair to say there's tension between steve bannon and jared kushner and no one knows
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who is going to prevail? >> it's very fair to say that. who will prevail, jared kushner is in a certain position. he is family. president trump made a real effort to bring him and ivanka trump to the white house. historically he has turned again to ivanka trump and to jared essentially to have his back. >> what's steve bannon thinking. if he can't win this battle, why fight with jared? >> steve bannon very much came in during the summer and looked to the campaign that didn't have a lot of in electial architecture, policy coherence. the reality is that he sort of read what president trump's instincts were on aggressive posture, taking basically government away from the big beaurocracy and turning it into something else. he's created that. reince priebus, chief of staff has been operations guy, links
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to the party. jared and ivanka reinforced a lot of president trump's long held instincts. it's been steve bannon that brought in sort of that outsider impulses that a lot of trump voters liked about him. >> one thing immutably true in this spin game, which is what it is coming out of the white house, people want to attack the white house, what a sieve this white house is. the white house, david drucker, talks about leaks all the time. forget bows russian interference, contacts, who is leaking this information? i've never seen a white house leak more this early on than that one. that's an objective observation. put it to the side. the reality inside that white house, david, what are you hearing? i don't hear bannon and jared are fighting. i hear the president is really taxed to find people to deliver for him on a consistent basis. >> i think part of the problem trump engenders and sort of
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likes this competition and factualism all done to curry favor with him and to try and win a big competition for his affection and decisions he's going to make. and i think regardless whether it's steve bannon, jared kushner, reince priebus, i think what the white house needs to figure out is how they are going to have a clear line of authority from oval office to key deputy once they get things done. what they get done is one thing. if they get anything done, people need to feel secure in their jobs and you need to have discipline. you don't have that in my view when you have jared kushner and ivanka trump hovering over everybody, back channeling on domestic and international issues. it's not that the problem is jared and ivanka, it's just that you have people tasked with jobs and going around them and looking over their shoulder are the president's children. that creates for an insecure environment and a lot of
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second-guessing. you can't get thing done. you can't have people with clear lines of authority and power with the people under them if they know they can go around you and get to the top through another channel. >> that's the crux of the mat r matter. your report suggests the tension in the white house they don't feel they have approached enough for the 100 day mark. they like to tout and trump their success. that's what's going on. >> there's a lot of concern internally there has not been a record of consistent accomplishment that has held up over time in this period of time, 80 days we are now. they are looking at the end of the month with a lot of concern. but what is also happening is that this is a president who doesn't have a very firm policy foundation. he doesn't sweat the details. he's looking to his aides to guide him in a direction toward wins. it's a sort of vague kind of
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mandate they have, just get me something that works, that makes me look good, that makes me look accomplished. that's where the battle is right now. whose vision is going to garner the president wins at this point in time. while the bannon wing has had a lot of policy to put on the board, immigration ban, even the health care effort overall has been a pretty traditional republican effort, a lot of that has not held up. this the argument that, you know, the kushner, cohn, ivanka wing are sort of saying maybe it's time to take a different strategy. maybe it's time to go straight down the middle. dad, you're not an ideological president, let's go that way. >> that's a big word to have, though, maybe. my life growing up exactly that dynamic on state level, maybe that doesn't exist in that environment. what you need are people who have done this at a high level that come forward with certainties, if we do, this will
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happen. the president in fairness to him. he's in a predicament here, because he does not have people who succeeded at a high level. he loves his kids, sure. he can't look at them and say you guys know what you're talking about. you've never been there. >> the reality is your father had a reality and agenda, president trump came from a business background. he did not have an ideological plan he wanted to put in place, policies he wanted to put in place. he has sean spicer up there every day trying to defend and frame things as wins. >> poor sean. >> that are messages. >> sean reminds me of the guy next door. >> panel, we're out of time, we have to get to this story and show you what happened. airlines are allowed to remove you from a flight. but like this? okay. what happened here to this united passenger? could this happen to you? what are your rights as a passenger? we have the answers next.
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all right. it is time for "cnnmoney" now but it is not a traditional "cnnmoney" type story. united airs lines is in damage control because of this video. that screaming is coming from a doctor forcibly removed from his seat. the flight was overbooked. in the end, his lip is bleeding. ceo addressing on the media saying an investigation is under way but seeming in the letter to blame the flyer. meantime one of the security officers now on paid leave. so what are the rights here? what happens if you're on an overbooked flight? what are you supposed to do in a situation like this. let's discuss with chief correspondent christine romans. what do we know about what the rules are? >> we know this incident enforces how few rights you have. when you book the ticket you agree to the overbooking policy.
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it is standard practice to sell more tickets than there are seats. in american the back and forth usually happening at the gate not after the passenger is on the plane. that's mistake one. federal rules require airlines first check to see if anyone will give up his or her seat voluntarily. airlines dictate what the compensation looks like. they decide. a voucher toward a future flight or gift card. if airlines can't get passengers to switch, they can bump you from that flight. how often does it happen? 46,000 travelers were involuntarily bumped in 2015. there are rules. passengers must get to their final destination in one hour or the carriers have to start coughing up money. one to two on domestic, have to pay double the flight, $655 limit. shares of united airlines, that's why this is a business story, down 6% in premarket trading on the heels of this
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video. whether the storm yesterday, everybody talking about it, stock was up, now it's tanking. >> hold on a second. we know that two or three other people got off the plane? >> yeah. >> why did they have to forcibly remove him and drag him down the aisle? >> i can think of 100 ways they could resolve this without having it come to this. i'm sure they are -- >> if you say no are they allowed to manuel you and drag you down the aisle? >> in the contract it does not say man handling but they reserve the right to eject you from that plane. it is their right. some airlines don't do this. jetblue does not overbook planes. most airlines overbook planes so when that plane flies there's a body in the seat, either a crew member getting to a connecting flight so they can make money or paying customer. >> united ceo in his letter was negative about the flyer. people will judge the video as they want. is he being too dramatic, playing it up. he seems to bang his face
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somewhere. >> you see the blood coming out of his mouth. look at this. >> they took him off the plane, he went back on the plane. they are saying he was a belligerent passenger. he was a paying passenger sitting in his seat. >> let's be clear in the order of events. he became belligerent after they dragged him, not first. >> they asked him to leave the plane. >> he said i have patients, i don't want to leave the plane. >> they said we're going to remove you and then you saw what ensued. >> there had to be another way to do this. >> this has tapped into this huge well of anger among the flying public who feel like they have been dised, disrespected so much. earlier this week flight delays from delta. >> flight delays, not getting nuts, those are little things compared to a guy getting bloody. >> i agree but there's a well of anger tapped into by the public. the company has not responded yet. i think you may see a change in
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that today. >> do you think he sues? >> christine, thank you for all facts on this. coming up in the next hour we'll be speaking with two passengers on that flight. they witnessed the man being dragged off the plane. what did they think was at the root of all this? >> imagine being on the plane sitting there watching that. what would you decide to do. another big story, rex tillerson, g7 summit, big news in italy. russia has to be part of the solution in syria. where is tillerson going now? russia. what message is he going to carry on that plane to moscow? next. we are here...to leave a mark. experience a shift in the natural order. experience amazing. i was thinking around 70. to and before that?re? you mean after that? no, i'm talking before that. do you have things you want to do before you retire? i'd really like to run with the bulls.
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we dov breaking news for you now, secretary of state rex tillerson was speaking just moments ago, this is at the g7 summit in italy. this is right before he did he parts for russia. secretary tillerson demanding russia stop supporting the assad regime. here it is. >> last week bashar al assad's regime killed even more of its own people using chemical weapons. our missile strike in response
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to his repeated use of banned weapons was necessary as a matter of u.s. national security interest. we do not want the regime's uncontrolled stockpile of chemical weapons to fall into the hands of isis or other terrorist groups who could and want to attack the united states or our allies. nor can we accept the normalization of the use of chemical weapons by other actors or countries in syria or elsewhere. the u.s. is grateful for the statements of all of our partners who express support for our time in proportional response. as events shift, the united states will continue to evaluate its strategic options and opportunities to deescalate violence across syria. many nations look to the geneva process to solve the syrian conflict in a way that produces stability and gives syrian people the opportunity to determine their own political future. and our hope is bashar al assad
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will not be part of that future. if the cease-fire negotiations become effective towards achieving a durable cease-fire, then the geneva process has the opportunity to accelerate. to date it has not produced much progress. it's also clear russia failed to uphold the agreements entered into under multiple u.n. security council resolutions. these agreements stipulated russia as the guarantor of a syria free of chemical weapons. they would also locate, secure and destroy all such armaments in syria. stockpiles and continued use demonstrate that russia has failed in its responsibility to deliver on this 2013 commitment. it is unclear whether russia failed to take this obligation seriously or russia has been incompetent, but this distinction doesn't much matter to the dead.
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we can't let this happen again. to be clear, our military action was a direct response to the assad regime's barbarisbarbaris. remains isis. we are calling to sustain the fight against isis well after the liberation of mosul and raqqa. whether in iraq, syria, online or on the ground in other countries, we must eliminate isis. g7 support will be critical. to stabilize syria we'll need the g7's derrek participation help settle the conflict in syria, protecting the syrian population, committing to reconstruction that eventually will lead to normalcy for a unified syria. >> okay. let's discuss all these comments with our panel. cedric, let me pick up on the logic he's purporting there. does it follow that the chemical
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weapons stockpile could fall into the hands of the terrorists, so what the u.s. did last week was in the u.s. national security interest, but by damaging 20 planes, how do you stop that stockpile from falling into the hands of terrorists. >> alisyn there's definitely logic from the idea of preventing chemical weapons from getting into the hands of terrorists. absolutely has that been the u.s. policy from day one, even the obama administration. the problem you have is 20 planes. those 20 planes, yes, they could absolutely and they were possible instruments of deploying chemical weapons and using them on civilians. >> on civilians, i get that, stopping that. >> but it's you know sufficient. the problem is this is insufficient to actually prevent those bombs not only from being used. that part has nothing to do with the transference, potential transference of chemical weapons from syrian government control into isis's hands.
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that's the issue. >> first you got what looks like on that level a $100 million miss. okay. you did not do your objective of taking that air base out or doing anything. >> if that was the objective. we don't know that was the objective. >> what was the objective. >> sending a message, a signal. that's what we heard sending a message, a signal. >> they were sending a signal. i think what we see here is a refinement of the objective. this is kind of an ex post facto looking at i've got an objective -- wait, i better have an objective. i did this, what was a good thing. >> no good military source came out to say we didn't want to hurt the runways, we wanted to bruise them. that's not the way the military works. tomahawks are no joke, they sent 59 there. you have idea of national interest, idea of transfer. there's a standard for what is a threat to this country. these two or three steps away from chemicals maybe getting to isis probably doesn't meet the standard. so it gets to pick a message. if you want to take assad out,
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fine. if you don't think you should take assad out, fine. you want to defend civilians when it meets a certain mark, fine. all of them, how do you satisfy any? >> of? >> we're seeing a president who ran on anti-interventionism trying to fit it into that frame and it's very difficult, obviously. these are the kinds of things he campaigned against. when you're in president trump's position right now, he has to create a rational for why syria is a grave national threat to the united states. he has to make that real so it can fit into his america first policy. it's been very clear that even within the administration there are disputes about what that means and whether that should even be on the table. we saw it play out over the last 48 hours, where you have some administration officials making a clear argument that it isn't just the threat of chemical weapons, it's also the principle
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of using them against civilians. a values-based argument that matters here, too. we really still don't know where president trump lands on that and whether or not they are willing to do more in order to ensure both objectives are met, the moral objective and national security objective. >> which will make the meeting in russia with rex tillerson today particularly interesting. >> this is exactly it. i think to build on his points, the message that is also being sent is very much aimed at russia and trying to sort of seems like raise the threat issue and say to russia you need to be part of this values driven idea that russia has either been incompetent or missed the ball. this is really kind of rex tillerson coming very much to the fore in a much bigger sense, going in and raising the sense of this threat and bringing isis into it. going into russia with this kind of message is very powerful but
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also, i think, creates a dynamic between the united states and russia where you're just not sure -- >> they are holding russia to account for this. >> we'll see what happens. panel, thanks so much for being with us. president trump once called him a really nasty guy. well, that really nasty guy just won a pulitzer prize for his investigation of the president's charitable giving. david farenthold is the man on your screen. he's coming on to talk about the role of journalists in the era of trump next. started eating beneful. the number one ingredient in it is beef. (einstein) the beef is fantastic! (becky) he has enough energy to believe that he can jump high enough to catch a bird. (vo) and now try new beneful grain free, simply made with wholesome ingredients, and no grain. could bounce back like it used to? neutrogena® hydro boost water gel. instantly quenches skin to keep it supple and hydrated day after day. with hydrating hyaluronic acid,
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so our next guest you will recognize him. now he's a new pulitzer prize winner honored for investigations of president trump's claims of charitable giving during the campaign. david farenthold, "washington post" reporter, cnn contributor. a compilation of his award winning reporting, uncovering behind trump's charitable giving turned into an ebook. david, congratulations. >> thank you. >> you must be feeling very good for being recognized for all your hard work during the campaign. >> it was wonderful. a wonderful day in the newsroom yesterday. i got to talk to all my colleagues at once. it's overwhelming but great. >> let's talk about what gave
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enthusiastic prize. this was based on -- everybody might remember during the campaign one of the things then candidate trump was doing was holding this big fundraiser for veterans. he said it brought in $6 million and it would be disbursed to veterans groups. what did you discover? >> the question i started with, did he give the money away. he said he raised $6 million including out of his own pocket. i wanted to figure who he gave the money to. i thought make a day, two days, if you're going to make that promise during the campaign, of course i thought you would follow through. it took months and months to get the answer out of the trump campaign. >> what did you discover when you started poking around and you realized this was going to be a bigger assignment than a two-day story, what did you discover? >> two things. one was that people had given money to then candidate are trump. she was sitting on a lot of it.
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cory lewandowski said trump has given a were a million dollars out of his pocket. that turned out to be completely untrue, false, the money was in trump's pocket when lewandowski made that promise. he only gave it away later after i made a public show. >> he was sitting on it why? bad organizational skills or something else behind that? >> there certainly was bad organizational skills behind it. i don't know the motive or why he sat on it so long. when he finally did give the money away, the money other people gave to him to give to veterans he gave it in an extremely happen hazard fashion. one of the charities that got the money, you google the fairs page of certainly results gave warnings that charity was a scam. the money when given out, didn't take a long time because they were checking into the background. >> they weren't doing it in a timely fashion, didn't do what they said they did, they weren't vetting it. what conclusion did you draw from all that?
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>> well, it changed the course of last year. if donald trump is willing to wriggle out of a promise to give money to veterans made under the brightest spotlight we have in american journalism, which is a presidential campaign, if he was going to try to get out of that promise with scrutiny on him, we said, well, what was he doing before when no one was watching to see if anyone was following through with charitable promises he made going back for years. >> so now where does it leave you? now you can rest on your laurels and give up on journalism or you can now do what? >> i'm part of a team at the post covering president trump's conflict of interest, mar-a-lago, golf course issues, what favors is he doing for members of those golf courses and what is he doing in office to bring money into those businesses. >> what should we know about that as readers and viewers, what have you already found out? >> well, me and my colleagues have figured out that one out of
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every five days that he's been president he's been at a trump branded property bringing people and secret service agents to those properties and he also has done very little to separate himself financially from those properties, hotels, golf courses. we were told he's putting it in a trust. we've learned from our work and people at republica that he has not separated himself. he can take money out any time and money that comes in goes to him. if you want to impress president trump it makes sense to go to a trump property. the money you're spending will eventually get back to him. maybe not eventually but soon. >> we're glad you're on the case and sharing your reporting with us and congratulations again on the pulitzer prize. >> thank you. >> chris. >> breaking news, secretary of state rex tillerson on his way to moscow right now. he had plenty to say about russia's support of syria. can he convince russia to abandon assad? if not, then what?
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rex tillerson is going to have a long day when he sits across the table from sergey lavrov. >> unclear if they took it seriously or incompetent but the distinction doesn't mattered to dead. >> when you watch kids and babies suffering from barrel bombs -- >> it is unclear what the larger goal is. >> i don't think anything is off the table. >> trump doctrine is that america is first. a united airlines passenger dragged off of an overbooked flight. >> pretty shocking there actually. grabbing him, pulling him off the plane. >> oh, my god.
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look at what you're doing to him. >> this is new day with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> why did they have to man handle him and drag him off the plane, though he did refuse to get off. we have two witnesses coming on to tell when they say. >> what are your rights as a passengers. what is the airline allowed to do and what should they have done. >> welcome to new day. secretary of state rex tillerson on his way to russia but he had a clear message for them before leaving for the g7 summit. tillerson calling on the kremlin to drop support of syria's brutal dictator. >> the kremlin says relations with the u.s. are the most difficult since the end of the cold war. what will they say about what they did or did not know about that chemical attack in syria when the russian and
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