tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN April 11, 2017 5:00pm-6:01pm PDT
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thank you for joining us. don't forget you can watch "out front" any time anywhere, just watch cnn go. anderson is next with "a.c. 360." a showdown with russia over the poison gas attack in syria, and after stays of botched statements from united airlines for dragging that man off the flight, the ceo issues an actual apology. all that and more on the program ahead, but we begin with breaking news on the donald trump administration charges of improper surveillance by the obama administration. cnn is learning more about the claims of house intelligence committee chairman devin nunes that members of the obama administration improperly questioned the names of people named in intelligence reports. here's what congressman nunes has said previously.
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>> there is some information in the documents i reviewed that shouldn't be there. >> it bothered me enough that i went over to the white house because i think the president needs to see these reports for himself. >> i was concerned about american identities not being masked properly or in fact being unmasked in intelligence reports. >> congressman nunes said he would share what he saw with other committee members. well, he has. what those committee members are now saying, jim, what have you learned? >> tonight, anderson both republican and democratic lawmakers and aides are casting doubts on claims by nunes that obama administration officials -- these lawmakers have now seen the same intelligence documents that nunes reviewed last month and
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they tell cnn that they see no evidence that obama administration officials did anything out of the ordinary or illegal. one congressional source described the event to me as normal and appropriate. >> i know you and jim have talked to you who have actually seen the documents. what are they telling you? >> there's absolutely no smoking gun in these reports, in fact the committee even urging the trump administration to d declassify these documents. and whether susan -- president trump himself has said that he believes that she may have broken the law, but anderson, multiple sources who have reviewed the documents that nunes saw say those documents do not back up the president's claim that she may have broken the law. and those questions appear to be
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row teen requests. >> jim, even if the obama administration acted properly, what are the rules for actually making e ining and granting the unmasking requests? >> the rules are set by the intelligence community, certain senior administration officials can legally make such requests and the intelligence agencies, principally the nsa in this case since it involves communicati s communicationses intercepts, then they're able to grant those requests. but the requests of senior officials are rarely denied. despite their judgment that obama firms were within the law and regular practices, some in the trump administration have asked for the standards for the intelligence agencies to gant those requests. >> and chairman nunes was forced
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to temporarily recuse himself from the investigation being investigated by the house ethics committee because of his actions handling the documents. what's the status of that investigation. >> both the house democrats and republicans on the house intelligence committee have agreed on a list of witnesses to interview, but there's actually a divide in the sources they want to talk to. the republicans tell us they're mostly focused on those who may have leaked classified information. while democrats tell us they want to find out about any ties that exist between russia and trump officials. one person on that list who will also likely be interviewed is susan rice and she will have to defend what she did in requesting the identity of those american citizens, not just before the house imagine, but also likely the senate intelligence committee as well, anderson. >> appreciate the breaking news, we'll have more reporting on that in our next hour as well.
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right now, late word from president trump on syria, here's his answer when asked by fox's maria bartiromo when asked about deeper involvement there? >> we're not going into syria. but when i see people using horrible, horrible chemical weapons, which they agreed not to use under the obama administration, but they violated it. >> they said they got rid of them. >> what i did should have been done by the obama administration a long time before i did it. and you would have had a much better, i think, syria would be a lot better off right now than it has been. >> his remarks came the day the administration accused him of helping cover up the syrian gas attack. and rex tillerson is in moscow meeting where the russian foreign minister sergey lavrov.
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>> it's time that the united states has called out russia for a disinformation campaign in syria for collusion with the government it regards as carrying out a war crime, meeting with the russian president, is it or is it not a priority of the president to have the secretary of state convey that message? >> he is conveying that message, but if the president of russia won't meet with him, then he has to convey it to his counterpart. >> he also suggested that al assad was worse than hitler since hitler never used chemical weapons. >> when it comes to the gas, he was not using the gas on his own people the same way that assad -- i understand, thank you, i appreciate that. there was not -- in the -- he brought it into the holocaust center and i understand that. but i'm saying in the way that
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assad used them where he went into towns, dropped them into the middle of towns. >> needless to say, they were called concentration camps, death camps, not holocaust centers. sarah murray with more from the white house tonight. so president trump is saying that the obama administration should have used air strikes against syria, he was saying just the opposite before he became president? >> reporter: he had a very different feeling a few years ago, when he was a private citizen, he was taking to twitter saying the u.s. shouldn't intervene in syria, that there was nothing that fight could get for the u.s., it wasn't our fight and it wouldn't further american interest. it's one thing to say that as a private citizen, it's another thing, obviously he is learning, once you are in the white house, once you are confronted with those horrific pictures of chemical attacks on civilians and you as the president of the united states have the ability to do something about it and
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obviously he did. >> did we get any clarity from the white house whether russia was complicit in the chemical weapons attack? >> reporter: the white house is saying there is no consensus that russia knew ahead of the attack, but what they were clear on is that russia essentially tried to cover up for syria, they tried to cover up for al assad and for his cruelty, so they're beginning to put pressure on russia to warn russia that you are basically in bed with the wrong partner on this. it was interesting to see one administration official lean a little bit further into this today to say it is a significant question, a question worth asking the russians, if your forces were commingled with these syrian forces who carried out this attack, how could you not have known about it? but again the administration won't go so far as to say that russia knew anything ahead of time, they're saying the intelligence just didn't isn't
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there yet to conclude that. >> we're going to have more on sean spicer's hitler remarks. what is tillerson's agenda as far as we know? do we know if in fact he will be meeting with president putin? >> reporter: well the state department expected that meeting to happen, because that's what always happens as long as putin has been in office, he meets with u.s. secretaries of state. but suddenly this notion kind of evaporated, the russians aren't saying whether putin will find time to heat with tillerson. it kind of sounds like they're trying to string the americans on. look at the message that sends about the state of the the relationship the fact that it hasn't even been scheduled yet. and tillerson want ds to confro
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his russian counterpart to get putin to rethink that stance and that the u.s. is going to hold russia accountable for its actions, here's some of the criticism that tillerson levied against russia today. >> it is unclear whether russia failed to take this obligation seriously, or russia has been incompetent, but this distinction doesn't much matter to the dead. we can't let this happen again. >> reporter: we have heard strong responses over the last couple of days from u.s. officials saying that the u.s. is open to further military action if necessary. but from tillerson today, it seems like as he's approaching this crucial meeting, he's being more careful with his words, not
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willing to project too hard a line. saying today that he hopes that assad isn't in syria's future, he hopes that russia will change its tune because what its doing now is not in its best interest. >> i assume rex tillerson was asked about -- >> reporter: essentially saying the assad regime and russia have be been -- that a stockpile was hit and that's how the attack happened. he even went so far as to compare this dynamic as to what happened in the second iraq war in 2003, in saying that the u.s. action will have consequences, and blaming others besides obviously russia itself or regime.
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press secretary sean spicer just hours after outrage over his comments about the holocaust. here again is what he said. >> hitler didn't even sink to the level of chemical weapons. what did you mean by that? >> i think when you come to sarin gas, there was no -- he was not using the gas on his own people the same way that assad is doing -- i mean there is clearly, i understand your point, thank you, i appreciate that. there was not in the -- he brought them into the holocaust centers, i understand that. but i was saying in the way that
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assad used them, where he went into town, dropped them down into the middle of towns, so the use of it, i appreciate the clarification there, that was not the intent. >> his remarks obviously came as jewish people around the world are celebrating passover. walk us through how we got here. >> reporter: it started off with sean spicer trying to say that president al assad of syria was worse than adolf hitler that hitler never used chemical weapons at all. he tried to back up that statement. and then he went on wolf blitzer and launched a multiple apology. >> why did you even make that reference to hitler on gas attacks, 6 million jews were killed, many of them with poison gas. >> i was trying to make a point about the heinous acts of assad
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last week using chemical weapons and gas. frankly i used an insensitive reference to the holocaust as a comparison and i apologize, it was a mistake to do that. >> who are you apologizing to? there are holocaust survivors who couldn't believe a spokesman for the united states would make such a statement. tell us who you want to apologize to? >> clearly anybody who not just suffered in the holocaust or is a descendant of anybody, anybody who was offended by those comments. i'm not in any way standing by them. >> did you not know that there were gas chambers where hitler brought mostly jews to slaughter them in these poison gas
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chambers in auschwitz and other death camps? >> yes, i'm aware of that. as i said initially, there's no attempt to clarify this, the point was the use of aircraft which assad was using to gas his people. but it was a mistake to do that, that's why i should have stayed on topic, stayed focussed on the atrocities that assad committed against his own people. >> have you spoken to president trump about our blunder today? >> obviously it was my blunder as you put it correctly, and i came out so that the president can stay focused on his decisive action, i wanted to make sure that i clarified that i did not detract from the president's decisive actions in syria and the actions he's taking to root out isis in syria. >> this is not the first time your comments from the white house, from the lectern there have been criticized. are you worried, sean, that you
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have a credibility problem right now? >> no, i think this is why i'm here right now, wolf, i clearly, as i said earlier to you, to your audience, when you make a mistake, you own it. my comments today did not reflect the president's, were a distraction from him and frankly were misstated, insensitive and wrong so i wanted to clarify them as soon as possible. but one thing that is important, we all make mistakes, you have made mistakes other outlets and me, all make mistake, and people who know me understand that when i make a mistake i try to own it and ask people for their forgiveness. >> sean spicer, it was good of you to come out and apologize to people all over the world for your mistake today. >> i just wanted to make sure that i heard correctly.
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did he say that he wanted to -- >> he did say stabilize the region. he said he meant to say destabilize isis, the administration is trying to make clear the fight is against isis, but these are the challenges for this press secretary here that isn't always precise in the words he uses every day. >> he talked about barrel bombs numerous times and that had to be explained later. it's well known that president trump watchings all these press briefings, do we know if he was forced to apologize by the president? >> there's no question that spicer was told by senior administration officials above him in the food chain, if not the president himself to come out and clean this up and apologize and take care of this immediately. this was sort of taking on a life of its own during passover, like you said. sean spicer would not specifically answer the question when i asked him if the president directly sent him out, but i know that other advisors
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inside this administration did and sean spicer said to me as we walked back into the white house, after what was the biggest apology made by anyone in this administration, he said i wanted to make sure that i set the record straight. the question is his correct going forward, does this solve it? or does it deepen already worsening problems. just ahead, more on trump advisors statements and the outrage it has sparked, will his apology make it different or is it the beginning to the end of his job? i'll talk to former white house press secretary arrest rye fleischer. plus a new statement from united airlines, the passenger that was yanked out of a seat and dragged off a plane to make room for a united employee. >> oh, my god, look at what you did to him! umbrellas!!
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on people last week using chemical weapons and gas, and unfortunately i made an insensitive reference to the holocaust for a comparison. >> the man who speaks for president trump who makes a point of rarely apologizes, came out and apologized for saying that hitler never used chemical weapons. when asked . >> when asked about -- >> he was not using the goose on his own people the same way that assad is -- i mean there is clearly, i understand your point, thank you, i appreciate that. there was not in the -- he brought them into the holocaust center and i understand that. i'm saying the way that assad
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used them where he went into town and dropped them down in the middle of towns. so i appreciate the clari clarification there it was not intentional. >> that clarification was followed by a statement offering a further clarification of finally hours later the apologize. ari fleischer who was white house spokesman, paul, i mean, obviously a press spokesman does not want to become the story, this is not the first time for sierra neva sean spicer. can he survive this? >> no, in short. it's not just this outrage, he apologized and i have to accept that policy. it's the whole pattern, the very first thing he did, on his very first day on the job was go out
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and berate the press and spread falsehoods about the size of the crowd at the inaugural, diminishing not only sean spicer, it's about the white house, about the united states of america. i always say, watch the organ grinder, not the monkey. the president is the organ grinder and he has a penchant for saying -- he's making the president look bad, he's making the united states look bad. >> obviously he caught up in a bad choice of words and dug himself deeper, do you think he can survive? >> yes, of course he will. anderson, it's a hard job to be the press secretary and sean made a bad mistake today, i say that not only as someone who used to sit in that job but as a jewish american who lost a significant number of my family
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in the holocaust. but sean did realize, a couple of hours late, sean did realize what a terrible thing he said, and he apologized and i accept that apology. but what also happens in washington, when someone says something in a political party that you don't agree with, you try to make them illegitimate, you try to say they can't hold their job, they shouldn't hold their job, he made a mistake, he shouldn't have done it and i'm glad that he apologized. >> i didn't say that i would fire him or that he should be fired, i'm just saying he's going to be. >> apparently, according to reporting set time aside to actually watch press conferences, critiques them. >> the problem with the trump administration is not the administration, it's trump. and we can change monkeys every day, and we will, he'll churn through staff, he'll burn them out. it's trump, all human beings
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lie, therefore all presidents lie, politicians lie probably more than the average person. this is a president that has absolutely no regard to the truth. but sethe mistake sean spicer - the level of lying in this administration is breathtaking and it's because of president trump, not because of mr. spicer. >> just yesterday, three times sean spicer talked about barrel bombs as being something which could trigger another u.s. military response. at a time when the administration, nikki haley is saying one thing, rex tillerson is saying something else and then he says something about barrel bombs that he had to walk back. >> i think sean actually does a very able job of speaking for his boss, he know what is donald trump wants to sarks he represents his boss and he does that very ably, which is the job
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of the press secretary, the press secretary is to represent what the president wants said. he made a mistake today, but he's a fine representative of what the president says. when you have people like paul that will find any way to undermine the president by getting to his staff. >> sean spicer seemed to include it along with chemical weapons and you can argue was he talking about chlorine gas. >> we don't have a policy in syria. and that's why i almost don't fault the administration, because it is the problem from h hhell, so it's a very difficult thing. i don't fault him for getting that so wrong yesterday, as there are times and you're too good a republican to admit this, where you said, i bet my life there's times you said to george w. bush i can't say that from the podium, whoa, no sir. the first day when donald trump sent him out there to lie about the side of his crowd who cares.
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the only answer a loyal aid says is no, i won't say that. >> you had to in your white house when mike mur curry did. >> if you want to broaden this to broad politics, they are still the people who set -- the american people made the decision to put someone in washington who's totally unlike anybody who's ever been there before. there are pluses and minuses, the plus is that we have a man who came here to change washington that is deliberately different than the people who came before him. >> how crucial is it that you don't lie from that podium. >> of course you don't lie from that podium. >> do you believe that seen spicer has said things that were not true from that podium? >> he represents what his boss thinks, his job is to say that the president believe this is, and this is why. i think everybody's acknowledged that. the problem is that the president is a pathological
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liar. and so he make s everyone aroun him pathological liars. >> how can you say a pathological liar when you forget the person you were on the hillary clinton superpac. >> the american people had a choice between two unpopular candidates and what's hard for you to get over is the least pop lar. donald trump beat hillary clinton and you have to get over it. >> you worked for a guy who essentially sneaked in. we should remember that administration fondly and the falsehoods that came from that administration. >> here we go with the crazy conspiracies. >> coming up, two top national security professionals weigh in on the war of words with moscow, among other things, we'll talk to admiral john kirby and cia
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defense secretary james mattis spoke out for the first time since the chemical attack on syria and he says it points to one direction only. >> it's very clear that the assad regime planned it, executed and orchestrated it. beyond that, that's all we can say right now. we know what we just told you, we don't know anything beyond that. >> general mattis said the purpose of the syrian chemical strike was singular. john kirby, who served as a defense department and state department spokesman. general hayden, where do you see this going between the u.s. and russia basically staring each other down right now because of the chemical attacks? >> and the chemical attacks are part of a larger package that are poisoning the
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american-russian relationship. the interference in the u.s. electoral process so i think secretary tillerson is arriving in moscow with a list of grievances and i think he is going to be pointing out to the russians that if they expect better relations with the united states, that is going to be conditioned on better russian behavior. so we'll see how that dialogue goes. the secretary has been tough with the russians in the past when it comes to business dealings. when it comes to the diplomatic -- >> the white house seems to be going further than the pentagon in tying russia to this attack, is caution the better way to proceed? >> look, i am with the pentagon guys, and i thought that press conference that they had this afternoon was remarkable for its candor and it's accuracy and in great care, two or three times. the questions seem to want to put chum in the water to blame the russians for this, and each
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time the general and the secretary were very emphatic, this was a syrian decision, we're saying the syrians did this, the syrians bear full responsibility. >> admiral kirby, from your vantage point, how does secretary tillerson approach this meeting with the russians tomorrow? >> i think this is a real important moment for the secretary of state, and i hope that when he sits down tomorrow with foreign minister lavrov that he comes up with some big ideas. whether you support the strike or you don't support the strike, it could now provide them some leverage, some leverage we haven't always had with the russians to get them to the table and try to find a diplomatic solution and i hope he takes advantage of it. >> how does it provide leverage? >> if they will continue to believe that we're not afraid or not unwilling to use military force, to react to the regime's use of chemical weapons, that might be enough to get them to the diplomatic table.
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one of the things that was not available to secretary kerry and this was widely reported at the time was military options. so when we met with the russians on many occasions, he didn't have necessarily the diplomacy backed up by the threat of force, that leverage to get the russians to take seriously real diplomatic solutions. well that may be different now. i know and it was very clear that secretary mattis very narrowly defined this mission and made it clear that the focus militarily remains on isis, and that they weren't going to expand the mission, but still you've got to believe that this strike rattled the russian cage a little bit and i think that secretary tillerson should fata advantage of that. >> general mattis today they would that it's not in russia's best interest for it to spiral out of control. do you agree with that? >> i think i do, i think that's a very accurate statement.
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but secretary kerry was out there almost lost in space someti sometimes trying to force russian action but he didn't have anything to finish the sentence but if you don't this could happen. now secretary tillerson has this additional tool. i think the russians will act carefully with him. we have not pushed back on russi russians, and the russians are rational actors, secretary tillerson has a challenge, but i think he's got opportunity here as well. >> for russia to have to choose between the u.s. or syria, they do have a biase there, it's a ky ally for them in the region, they need that entree geographical geographically. >> no one's asking them to choose between the u.s. and sere yachlt they have a toe hold in
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the middle east through syria, but they're not married to assad, what they are married to is their interest in syria and in a stable regime, a regime that can continue to allow them to continue to operate out of there and that's the key, and even they have signed on to all these geneva communiques that directs a government away from assad and toward the syrian people. so we're not asking them to do anything differently than what they have already said they would do. it's just that now perhaps the secretary of state has a little bit more leverage when he goes to that table. >> there was question as to whether chlorine barrel bombs would trigger a response? are they right to be worried about red lines, and in particular that line? >> i think it was very clear, the secretary said if sarin is used again, we went out there because that was a vital american interest to not lower the bar for these kinds of
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weapons anywhere in the world. i think he also made it clear over here, as tragic as it is, using barrel bombs with high explosives would not automatically trigger the same kind of american response, then he left that nfeather world between the two, a bit ambiguous, would to the u.s. respond if the syrians used chlorine, i think it was useful to be ambiguous. the ceo of united airlines has put out another statement, yet another one about this incident, video of a man being violently dragged off a plane because united employees needed seats. and now there's questions as to whether the flight was actually overbooked.
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>> reporter: as united airlines's passenger david dow receives treatment for his injuries, the airline is tailspining into a public relations disaster. avid yo of dow being dragged from a sunday night flight went viral. >> oh, my god. >> reporter: the airline first said the flight was overbooked. then changed its language tuesday to oversold. united did not respond to multiple attempts to clarify the change. from the white house -- >> clearly when you watch the video, it is troubling to see how that was handled. >> reporter: to late night tv. >> the ceo of united release aid statement via twitter. this is what the ceo treated. this is an upsetting event to all of us at united. i apologize for having to re-accommodate these customers. he said re-accommodate. it's like we re-accommodated el chapo out of mexico.
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[ applause ] that is such sanitized, say nothing, take no responsibility corporate bs speak. i don't know how the guy who sent that tweet didn't vomit when he typed it out. >> reporter: on social media. united airlines is feeling the sting. not just for the violent removal of the passenger, but the airline's lack of compassion. it took two days before the ceo apologized directly to dow who had been left bloodied after the incident. in a statement tuesday, he said, quote, i deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. no one should ever be mistreated this way. the new statement, a far cry from the e-mail the ceo sent to employees monday defending the flight crew and calling the passenger, quote, disruptive and belligere
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belligerent. in his first statement, he only apologized for having to re-accommodate customers. >> the ceo's response was off mark. it was not in line with the alleged core values of united airlines. it was not sympathetic. it was not apologetic. and he really seemed to coddle the myth that all passengers are belligerent and/or disruptive, which was not the case in this instance. >> reporter: although it's legal for airlines to deny boarding to passengers if it's overbooked, lawmakers are also calling foul. governor chris christie is calling on the trump administration to suspend the federal regulation that permits airlines to overbook flights and remove passengers as a result. meanwhile, members of congress are calling for the department of transportation to launch an investigation. right now, the agency is only reviewing the incident. the video has breached borders.
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trending on china's version of twitter generating more than 100 million views. potentially harmful to the airline's bottle to line, china is a huge growth market for the airline. >> rene marsh joins us. do we know what's behind the change in language? >> overbooking a flight means that there is more reservations out there than there are seats. the airline usually is accounting for no shows. they think that some people may not show up and usually if that's the case, everything is all right. then oversold flight is when essentially, you have too many people checking in and just not enough seats. we know that the airline originally said that the flight was overbooked, meaning too many reservations, not enough seats. but then they changed their language. it really remains unclear what's behind the change of the language. they really have not been responsive at all with many of our calls, our e-mails. so that part remains unknown as
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far as why now they're changing that language, anderson. >> rene marsh, thanks very much. this may be one of the most shocking examples of outrageous airline example. it's not the only one. >> reporter: passengers reacting to flight attendants on an american airlines jet after the crew tried to remove a woman before takeoff. the woman said she didn't hear a male flight attendant asking her to take her seat in the crowded aisle. until he started yelling at her, threatening to kick her off the plane. moments later, after she was seated, a female flight attendant came to remove her. >> he was so mean to me. i didn't do anything. >> i'm sorry. i have to have you get off the plain. >> are you serious? >> reporter: by now she was crying. >> this can't be legal. >> i will have to call the officers. >> reporter: that didn't sit well with her fellow passengers. >> are you serious?
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>> it's the last time i fly here. >> reporter: the woman came in. american airlines said they were in contact with the passenger and had apologized. on this u.s. airways flight, a disabled vietnam veteran was removed for not putting his golden retriever service dog on the floor for takeoff. instead of in the seat. >> i'm legally in the right by ada law. this is a service animal. he can ride with me anyplace. >> reporter: when crew members told him the pilot won't take off -- >> you get the hell away from me. i don't care. get away from me. leave! >> reporter: the veteran stood and made his case to passengers. >> i have earned the right to have this service animal because of my service to this country in vietnam. so i'm sorry but i'm not budging. >> reporter: and his dog were
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removed by an officer and rebooked for the next day. cell phones appear to be a clear trigger for removal. this woman was talking on hers on a spirit airlines jet. >> let me alone. stop it. stop! >> reporter: so was this woman. this passenger says spirit kicked her off because of her cleavage. another passenger backed that up. >> two or three times people came over and said, they are still not covered up enough. she said, if you give me a blanket, i will put it across my chest. i can't help it. these are my breasts. >> reporter: the airline said she had been drinking. that same fellow passenger said she wasn't acting drunk or misbehaving. the woman's lawyer told us the case may end up in court. this woman says she was banned from flying, too, because of how she was dressed. the jetblue passenger was told her outfit was inappropriate. >> i was told that it's the
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pilot's final say. >> reporter: she purchased pajama bottoms. >> i felt disrespected. >> reporter: in the end, jetblue offered her a $162 flight credit. but she said she just wants the airline to offer sensitivity training. >> coming up, another hour of 360. breaking news about the claims of house intelligence committee chairman devin nunes. tonight, what cnn has learned ahead. if you've tried every pill on the shelf to treat your tough nasal allergies... ...listen up. unlike pills that don't treat congestion, clarispray covers 100 percent of your nasal allergy symptoms. clarispray. from the makers of claritin.
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