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investigation. a very different conclusion of surveillance than what devin nunes tried to sell and a big blow to trump's claim that obama officials broke the law on unmasking officials and a new report of the campaign aide investigated as a russian agent. a big day. 83 days of the trump presidency. let's start with michelle kosinski live in moscow. >> reporter: we saw the meeting begin with rex tillerson and the russian foreign minister with the handshake. the russian foreign minister calling the u.s. air strikes a violation of international law and saying they need to stop and then the dig of the top spots of
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the state department not filled. the secretary of state tried to find areas of cooperation. also this morning, we're hearing from president trump and the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. nikki haley on this subject. >> frankly, putin is backing a person that's truly an evil person. and i think it's very bad for russia. i think it's very bad for mankind. it's very bad for this world. >> anything russia says at this point, no one is believing it. the international community sees it for what it is. the international community has watched russia cover up assad for years. >> reporter: that photo op before an important meeting is called a spray. cameras come in and a few pleasa pleasantries changed or a handshake or nod and they are getting the cordial meeting
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under way. not this time. one more thing as if it was needed to highlight the tensions between the two countries right now. there is a possibility that vladimir putin will meet with tillerson today. the kremlin says it hasn't yet been scheduled. it is a possibility. they may be waiting to see how the meeting is with lavrov and tillerson. he was honored by putin as a friend of russia, tillerson. look at the message. he is in moscow and putin has not scheduled a meeting with him yet. chris. >> michelle, if they do meet, what will be said in that exchange? thank you. we look forward to developments. we have a huge cnn exclusive report. a review of classified documents contradict statements made by chairman devin nunes. >> i was concerned about
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americans' identities being masked properly or unmasked in intelligence reports. >> multiple sources in both parties tell cnn there is no evidence the obama administration did anything wrong or illegal. cnn's jim sciutto is live in washington with details. a bit of insight as why nunes was not eager to share. >> reporter: chris, these allegations sparked a firestorm and alleged susan rice of committing a crime. casting doubts that obama administration officials improperly requested the names of u.s. individuals that had been redacted in documents. these lawmakers have seen the same documents nunes reviewed last month. they tell cnn and people from both parties tell cnn they see no evidence that the obama
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administration officials did anything out of the ordinary or illegal. one source described the request as quote normal and appropriate. >> so, jim, you have talked to the sources who actually seen the documents with their own eyes. is there a smoking gun in there? >> reporter: in a word, no. what one source telling us, manu raju and i, absolutely no smoking gun. this person asking the white house to declassify to make it clear there is nothing alarming in them. a lot of questions around the role of susan rice. whether she acted legally in requesting the names of trump officials caught up in the incidental collection. president trump says he believes she may have broken the law. multiple sources say flatly they don't back up the president's claims that she may have broken the law. these are routine requests that the president himself has not
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revealed intelligence he is relying on to make that assertion that she broke the law. did he see something else? as far as nunes, those documents have been reviewed and no evidence there. >> because we're talking politics here and not just la, f if the obama administration acted properly, what is the rule of granting and unmasking? >> it is a good question, chris. is this something that should be done? how often should it be done? these rules are set by the intelligence committee. certain officials can make the requests. then the intelligence agencies, nsa, in this case, stthey have decide to grant the request. senior officials are rarely denied. despite officials' request was within the law and regular, some
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members of congress have concerns about the justifications given for unmasking the identities of u.s. citizens and standards that the agencies follow to grant requests. >> jim, thank you for all of that reporting. we are also following another story this morning. "the washington post" reporting that the fbi obtained a warrant to monday ton titor t communications of carter page. there was belief he was acting as a agent of the russian government. we have so much to discuss with these stories this morning. let's bring back in jim sciutto and the panel. we have political analyst ron brownstein and carol lead, the white house reporter. thanks for being here with us. let's start with russia. headlines coming out with the foreign minister sergei lavrov and our rex tillerson. ron, lavrov says the u.s.
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strikes in syria were quote a violation of law. tillerson says it is important never to repeat such strikes. i believe it was lavrov, but creme lkremlin kremlin. relations are worse now under president trump than before. what do you make of the conversations as we speak? >> i think it just under scores how unrealistic the expectations were on both sides of how much leeway a president trump has to reset american relations with russia given the difficult vver the subjects on their agendas. and that overestimated how important that was that dislodging isis was not as important to russia and reinforcing assad.
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once assad crossed a line that the administration properly felt the world had to respond to, i think it illuminated how big a gulf separated the two sides. now you are seeing the dashed expectations of president trump and president putin of what is possible in the harsh light of how much our interests diverge in syria. >> it is not just the interests. carol, you have the white house struggling with the message and line they will tolerate in syria. certainly believing they had actual intelligence of the chemical weapons attack. the russian president says he has two theories for what happened. one, a near miss of rebel munitions and the other is it is completely fake. how do you bridge that gap? >> it will be difficult to bridge that gap.
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i don't expect them to do that. i think they are trying to get something out of russia that the previous administration was unable to do. it will be challenging for this separation to get. if you step back and look at how this relationship is unfolded three months in, this had been building for some time. this was a white house that started to recognize that russia was not what it thought. the reset was not going to be working out. it wasn't just syria. it was ukraine. there were other issues that the way russia's relationship with iran. then you had last week what caught the white house by surprise with assad's move. that sealed the deal. now there's very low to no expectation this relationship w will get off to any start. and when you ask about it, it is
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fighting counterterrorism. their subjects are not aligned. >> people are just waking up this morning, jim sciutto. i want to go back to your story. you spoken to democrats and republicans. you have sources that are connected to the house and senate intel committees that have now seen the very same classified documents that devin nunes did. remember when nunes said this was not about russia? do your sources say whatever the documents were, were about russia or not? >> they say they are about more than russia. the quote/unquote unmasking requests or obama officials asking to unmask, they involved conversations overseas regarding a number of counctrcountries, ig russia, but israel and then
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taiwan. and the subject of eavesdropping overseas. the u.s. eavesdrops. we know this on both friends and adversaries as part of intelligence collection. it is about more than that. i think the big headline is this. this was a big deal when nunes came out and said the obama administration were doing something wrong here. the president followed up and went further and said i believe susan rice committed a crime. you have democrats and republicans looked at the documents and the request made. they said this is with a national security advisers do. nothing out of the ordinary. nothing illegal. it contradicts nunes, but also the president. >> this is like the biggest one-two punch trump has taken so f far. the only thing nunes got right was it was broader than russia.
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everything else was false. a huge hole blown in it. what it showed about the administration and trying to protect the white house. ron, according to jim's reporting and how it is echoed. there is zero to that. according to republicans. the only there there is the worst reality for the trump administration. a judge found probable cause to do surveillance on his adviser carter page. that's worse than nothing happening. >> these are both big developments and a story that clearly will continue to unfold. i will say there is a clear cost. if you look at where president trump is, he has a much lower approval rating than any president at this point in the presidency. a small part ever that is the gener agenda. the health care bill was unpopular. the principle reason if you look
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at the polling and why his numbers are lower and republicans are nervous after the results and the kansas special election where they won bicy seven points in the distri. it is largely the conduct and temperament and conduct as president and making charges that the obama administration broke the law without being able to support it. that is the that i think is causing him problems. one reason is whether hillary clinton was trust worthy. his numbers on that personal value are miserable as well and as bad as hers ever were. it is the kinds of questions whether he is someone who is disciplined and controlled enough as president that i think are causing the bulk of the unusually low numbers that he has seen. >> carol, let me read you carter page's response he gave to manu
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raju. carter page says there have been various reports of the fisa documents and surveillance. i was happy to hear further confirmation is revealed. it shows how the clinton-obama regime went to destroy the democracy and suppress dissidents who did not fully support the failed foreign policy. it will be interesting to see what comes out when the the unjustified basis for the fisa requests are more fully released. >> if you look at what it takes to get a fisa on somebody, it is a rigorous, complicated process. this is not just somebody going in and say we want to wiretap this person. this is what the white house and
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the trump folks have done is a this is a partisan investigation and that this is just a political nature. that's what carter page is doing. i would say this is the white house which has distanced itself from carter page overnight. the president said when he was a candidate, page was a top foreign policy adviser. they reeled that in and walked that back. >> pulling a paul manafort move there. thank you very much, panelists. jimmy, big reporting from you. thank you for advancing the story. sean spicer apologized after the comments with the third rail comment at the white house pressor. >> you had someone despicable as hitler who didn't even sink to
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so the white house press secretary said something shocking yesterday. sean spicer claimed that hitler never used chemical weapons. cnn's joe johns is at the white house with the latest. >> reporter: the latest, alisyn, is the president himself has been trying to clear up some of the muddled messaging coming out of the white house which is complicated by gaffes and missteps from the briefing room. including the white house assertion that russia tried to cover up syria's involve mament the chemical weapons attack last week. >> we're not going into syria. >> reporter: president trump stating he has no plans to escalate the involvement in syria after last week's strike. stressing he was compelled to act because of the syrian
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dictator's use of chemical weapons. >> massive barrels with dynamite and drop them in the middle of the group of people. you see the same kids. no arms, no legs, no face. this is an animal. >> reporter: president trump blaming president obama's inaction for the crisis in syria. >> what i did should have been done by the obama administration a long time before i did it. you would have had a much better -- i think syria would be better off. >> reporter: the comments are in stark contrast to the comments four years ago when he augurgue there was no up-side to taking action in syria. meantime sean spicer facing backlash after stating bashar al assad is guilty of acts worse than hitler. >> we don't use chemical weapons in world war ii. you had someone despicable as
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hitler who didn't use chemical weapons. >> reporter: ignoring history. >> when you come to saran gas, he was not using the gas on his own people the same way that assad is doing. >> reporter: spice e er attempto clarify. >> he brought them into -- to the holocaust center. i understand that. i'm saying in the way that assad used them and went into towns and dropped them down on innocents. >> reporter: and apologizing in a written statement. >> there is no explaining it. it is to say, especially this week, it was not something was appropriate. it was insensitive. >> reporter: the blunder coming at the beginning of passover and parki sparking speculation. >> it is unfortunate and we should never have comparisons with hitler. ever. >> it is obvious spicer needs to
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know more about history when making comments. those comments were insensitive without question. >> reporter: also, new this morning, the president seemingly giving a less than definitive assessment of steve bannon when asked by the new york post if he has confidence in bannon. he was quoted saying i like steve. he was not involved in my campaign until very late. >> joe, i appreciate you teeing it up. we have carol lee with us and ron brownstein and jason johnson joining us. innocensensitive and violates t rule of comparing things to the holocaust to mean simply terrible. >> everybody gets in trouble. >> it has been happening more and more. it's a cheap thing to do.
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shouldn't be done. all true. now it comes to what does it mean for spicer and this cont t context? is it a one-off or is it a symptom of something? >> it is the office culture. remember, you had ben carson saying slaves were immigrants. this is not the first, the last, the second or third or fifth time the administration has shown insensitivity from an administration or from sean spicer. i think sean throwing himself on the sword is novel. i think this is about the office culture of the administration. unfortunately, it will not change. >> ron, sean spicer apologized on wolf blitzer's show. we understand the perils of sean spicer. speaking ex-temperatur every da
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the press corps. >> it is especially difficult under this reason in this culture. he regularlies says things he cannot support with evidence. you as the press secretary are forced to go out and in some cases defend what appears to be indefensible. sean spicer, that is a structural challenge for a press secretary and president with these inclinations. having said that. he has had a number of rough days. it is not unprecedented for a president to go in a different direction early on. i don't know if you remember. george stephenapolous was the press secretary for clinton and he was moved to another position. this is the direction they want
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in that job. he has had a number of days where that cannot be the condition conclusion they reach. >> carol, you have competence and accuracy. fact. those are all things that spicer is getting dinged with. you have general sensitively. do you make a notion of the sensitivity of the office culture. do you buy into that? >> this struck me as just sean spicer speaking and not knowing what he is was talking about. it wasn't -- if you look at how he first comment about it. then you try to clean up. then he tried a written statement. it wasn't working. there was frustration in the white house because he stepped over everything they thought was going well for the president. including the praise for the action in syria. his supreme court justice. he was forced to go out and
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apologize. if you step back and look at this, this relationship did not start out well. his first day and appearance at the podium, he lost credibility with the press and potentially with the public. we have seen a number of instances in the weeks since where he is outside the bounds. this one obviously went too far. we saw this white house which rarely almost never does, apologize for something. it was a remarkable moment. i think we are now waiting to see how the rest of this plays out. he doesn't have a press briefing today. we won't see him. does he manage to hang on and move past this? we don't know. >> it is worth watching online. wolf's interview to button up the conversation. wolf was going at it more than a
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gaffe. why would you say holocaust centers instead of gas chambers? why would you do that? it is worth listening to his response and get a feel. >> next important name in the news. jason, steve bannon. a lot of reporting of a feud between steve bannon and jared kushner, the president's son-in-law. that is true. the president confirmed as much to "the new york post" in this interview. and the language was note worthy. i like steve. you have to remember he was not involved in my campaign until late. i had already beaten all of the senators and governors. i didn't know steve. i'm my own strategist. i wasn't going to change strategy. steve was a good guy, but i told them to state evraighten it out will. >> there is no loyalty in the administration unless you are a blood relative of donald trump.
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i remember it was steve bannon and kellyanne conway. they came on the campaign. that is when his campaign straightened up. for trump to say i didn't know him. steve bannon helped save your campaign. to say you don't want anything to do with the guy. i thought the president can pick anybody they want. steve bannon is a problem. he is a white nationalist. i don't think he has a role in the administration. trump is unhappy because he is making him look bad. not because of the ideology he brings to the administration. >> reality is does he go anywhere? >> panel, thank you very much. there's more news. the president warning north korea an armada heading to the region if north korea is prov e provok provoked. we take you live inside north korea. all finished.
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all right. so president trump saying he is sending an armada to the region to show a strength around the region of north korea.
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the north is warning of a nuclear strike if provoked. this leading to an urgent phone call from trump to the chinese president. we have cnn's will ripley live in north korea with more. will? >> reporter: the state of play is state media here in north korea has yet to respond to president trump's tweets or this new interview that has come out where he's talking about the flotilla of u.s. war ships closer to the korean peninsula. this is the first time korea is willing to take stronger economic action against north korea if they do something provocative. like a sixth test. there was a phone call between donald trump and xi jinping. the first time the chinese government officially acknowledged the two presidents spoke about north korea. and state run newspaper in china saying the chinese public is getting fed up with the tension on the korean peninsula.
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the president speaking about t armada heading to the area. this is the "carvl vinson" striker. >> we are sending an armada. very powerful. we have submarines. very powerful. far more powerful than the aircraft carrier. that i can tell you. we have the best military people on earth. i will say this. he is doing the wrong thing. >> reporter: president trump alluding to the fact that submarines are capable of launching a nuclear missile. a direct threat to north korea. how they will respond is yet to be known. and how japan is making evacuations of citizens. also, japan sending war ships to join "the carl vinson" ship.
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alisyn, right now, we don't know how kim jong un will respond as north korea preparing for the biggest holiday of the year on saturday. >> thank you, will. meanwhile, back here at home, united airlines facing a viral fee iasco after this passenger was dragged screaming off the plane. we will tell you what united is saying now. you might not ever just stand there, looking at it. you may never even sit in the back seat. yeah, but maybe you should. ♪ (laughter) ♪
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the financial fallout? >> near term, $250 million mistake. this was remarkable here. that's how much market value was lost yesterday. >> the stock plummeted? >> 4%. it has been worse. it had been $1 billion earlier in the day. it came back as cooler heads prevailed. you could keep cooler heads. the company issued a third statement that hits the tone better. should have done this in the beginning. they are on track. >> let me read it. the ceo says the truly horrific event that occur on the flight elicited responses from all of us. outrage, anger, disappointment. i continue to be disappointed by what happened to the flight and the customer forcibly removed and all of the customers aboard. no one should ever be mistreated this way. thatcher, had he started with that, instead of the first statement where he appeared to
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be calling the passenger belligerent and blaming it on the passenger. would united be in this situation today? >> well, i'm not a stock analyst. that was the segue into the bit right now. i don't know what would happen to the stock price necessarily. >> in terms of pr. >> in terms of pr. sure. let's talk about that. oscar made a mistake if he thought his e-mail that i'm behind you and sort of suggesting be belligerent with the passenger gone viral. whoever is running pr at united continental holdings, they need to focus on what the passenger and public are looking for. we don't know all of the facts about what happened. i can get into that and why that is relaevant. >> you are right. we don't know all of the facts
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that precipitated. you are an aviation lawyer. can you clear up one thing? we have learned the airlines have the right to ask you to give up your seat. if you refuse, do they have the rights to forcibly remove snu. >> that is an interesting question. they have the right to have you removed. in my opinion, the way this man was removed was torrid and unfortunate. they have the right to remove you. there is a famous clothe manufacturer in the united states whose niece was belligerent and nasty on the airplane, they stopped halfway back to the united states in ireland and threw her off the plane. covered in all of the news media. she faced issues in two jurisdiction. they have the right. they have the right.
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>> what they should have done is prevented this from happening in the first place. originally the open said we followed all of the proper procedures. you need to have difficuplomacy the front end. who was the gate manager? was there another way to solve this? offer more money? there is a lot being said of an overbooked flight. this flight was totally full and they needed to get a crew to louisville for another flight to prevent that flight from being delayed. >> thatcher, how do people sue if you are thrown off a flight for overbooking? >> get a good lawyer and make sure the airline has not complied with the rules of 14-cfr-250. it is not clear that united gave the person a written document. >> i'm going to bone up on
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we have an update on the reporting of hype versus fact in the russian interference. trump claims he was wrongly surveilled by the obama administration. he says proof will come out that susan rice committed a crime. instead, gop lawmakers reviewed the documents and they show no proof that rice did anything wrong. now the washington post reporting the fbi got a warrant to monitor former trump campaign adviser carter page. that means a judge found probable cause page was knowingly engaged in cla
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clandestined intelligence with russia. we have with us phil mudd and steve hall. phil, not only is there no proof that trump and/or his team were wrongly caught up in surveillance, but real proof a warrant gave one of his advisers was up to no good. >> that's right. watch this. what you will see is carter page say and i believe he already started to say this. it is a political witch hunt. chris, you have two pieces. the fbi and department of justice will not go to the fisa court. the special court that allows the fbi to eavesdrop on american citizens without a high degree of confidence that something is going on here. these are federal judges. a federal judge is not going to issue a warrant on someone in a
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campaign without probable cause that individual is breaking a federal law. there will be a lot of shucking and jiving whether this is a witch hunt. having been in the bureau and in front of the fisa court. let me tell you, they have proof this will be ugly. around carter page, it is going from a simmer to a boil. >> steve hall. let's talk about carter page. the intel community has been getting trashed for months. donald trump as a candidate and as a president, motivated a lot of that. how is that coming home to roost in terms of what we are seeing in syria and the investigations at home and the need for people to believe in the integrity of the ic. >> i think president trump got off to a very difficult start at the beginning of the administration and prior to the inauguration by referring to the
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intelligence community as nazis. this is a community that lives up and down. granted this administration is different. these folks understand the key piece of this is making sure that policymakers have the information and intelligence they need. i agree with phil. with regard to carter page, this is the hallmark of the russian intelligence operation where the russians look for somebody and cast a wide net of someone in a position of power or close to power in the united states and then tries to make contact and recruit that person. that is what this is beginning to look like. we are not there yet. this is the kind of thing that looks like what is happening with carter page. >> steve, quick take on russia's move to delegitimize what happened in syria. put p vladimir putin says they have
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differential gags allegations. >> this is classic russians misdirection and trying to change the topic. the particularly rich part of this is sergei lavrov saying this is an illegal. the cruise missile attack was somehow illegal from the united states. this country just annexed an entire region from the country. crimea. the russians are coming from a different perspective. if we think the administration can tell russia they are on the wrong side of history. you need to come to our side, that is not how the russians think. the russians think the west and the united states are quaint when we make arguments like that. >> phil, i respect steve hall. you have done the same thing offering the code. no matter what, the intel people are professionals. is there a risk of erosion of
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james comey, he saved hillary clinton's life. everybody knew she was guilty. he let her go. susan rice. crime. surveillance? it is terrible. people believe him. time after time, it is just bogus. does that create tension? >> i think over time there is a potential for that. what i would watch in the coming weeks, chris, whether there is an air gap between the white house says about intelligence and what the cia people are saying. a couple of things happened in the past month. you have a bread and butter piece of intelligence. a bomb went into the military facility. they have the assessment of the damage from the bomb and what the russians knew. the guys i worked with have been there since the reagan era. mike pompeo

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