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they've been doing lately and someone told cnn that the movement of the vinson is in response to the recent messages. >> that's it for me. thanks for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett "out front" starts right now. >> up next, breaking news. president trump tough talks called syria's leader 3wu67er. is this the same trump we heard days ago? plus another astonishing turnaround. saying china is not a currency flip-flopper. why the change in position now? let's go "out front." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "out front" breaking news, all time low. president trump declaring the united states is not getting along with russia at all, saying the situation could be the worst in history. here he is tonight in washington
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at a press conference. >> right now we're not getting along with russia at all. we may be at an all-time low in terms of relationship with russia. >> trump's tough talk is a stunning turnaround. during the campaign he complimented putin and bragged about their contact. >> i think i'd get along very well with vladimir putin. i just think so. putin says very nice things about me. i think that's very nice. i got to know him very well. we were stable mates on 6 0 minutes. >> that wasn't only the trump change. he called bashar al assad a butcher. speaking with the secretary general of nato, he called out assad for killing children with chemical weapons. >> young killed and died, babies died, fathers holding children in their arms that were dead, dead children. there can't be a worse sight and
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it shouldn't be allowed. that's a butcher. that's a butcher. so i felt we had to do something about it. i have absolutely no doubt we did the right thing. >> that, too, is a major departure for trump. a week ago he said the world may have to put up with assad remaining in power. i want to start with michelle ka zen i can in moscow tonight with secretary of state rex tillerson. michelle, tillerson met with putin. it was a big question as to whether putin would do that. they had the meeting. where does the relationship with russia stand tonight? >> yeah. after all of the heated rhetoric out there, the good news is the u.s. and russia are talking and they're talking about doing some more talking. both sides are trying to find some common ground here, but what still seeps through are
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these dark shades of very deep divisions that still exist. what you don't hear is russia backing away from supporting syria president bashar al assad anytime soon. four hours of contentious talks with russian officials, including with president slunt himself. rex tillerson and sergei. >> there is a low level of trust between our two countries. the world's two fore most nuclear powers cannot have this kind of relationship. >> translator: meetings. the many hours we spent with rex tillerson together and with the president of the russian federation were not spent in vein. we understand each other better. >> reporter: the most to come from this, an agreement to keep on talking.
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they decided on a working group to tackle the most critical issues. they've agreed to re-establish the intent to keep u.s. and russian planes out of the way of syria. he refused to accept bashar assad's responsibility, insisting on an investigation. >> translator: we have seen no confirmation that that was the case. >> reporter: and the u.s. >> the facts that we have are conclusive, that the recent chemical weapons attack carried out in syria was plachbd, and it was directed and executed by syrian regime forces. roiptd though only hours earlier, putin has framing the sarin gas attack as the work of rebel groups. >> translator: it was a staged provocation. >> reporter: on the delicate issue of russia's interference in the united states election.
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>> it's fairly well established over the election. roip lavrov called for more information. >> translator: not a single fact has been confirmed who saw those facts, we don't know. nobody has shown us anything and we have said to them, show us the evidence for these very slanderous attacks. >> reporter: the rhetoric from both sides has been stark and relentless and still yet to meet presidents putin and trump, who laid out the problems most bluntly today. >> putin is backing a person that's truly and evil fern. -- person. i think it's bad for russia, very bad for this world. when you drop gas or bombs, this is an animal.
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>> reporter: the state department official i talked to today said they think the chances of russia backing away from assad in the near term are next to zero. if he's suddenly gone, putin fierce a power vacuum. but for now they see him as the best, if not the only option what the u.s. wants russia to do is convince syria to go for a cease fire. then a political process, though no one knows how long this would take or even to what extent russia is going to be willing to say. >> there's absolutely no sense that there is any such thing in the offing. thanks, michelle. putin not even his biggest flip-flop tonight. the president is breaking a promise to hold china for lost american jobs. that is a promise that donald trump made again and again.
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>> i'm going to instruct my are treasure secretary to label china a currency manipulator. >> he promised to do that in the first 100 days, but now letting china off the hook. trump not labeling china a manipulator. this goes to the entire core of his campaign, make america great again, american jobs first. this is a massive about-face. roint on the campaign trail more more than 12, 15 340s, a year and a half, candidate trump was essentially painting china as an economic villain. he accused china in blunt terms of raping the u.s., taking jocks out of the u.s. heartland. today he struck a far more friendlier, possibly more diplomat tone because the
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government of north korea hangs in the balance. >> president xi wants to do the right thing. i think we had a very good chemistry together. i think he wants to help us with north korea. we talked trade, a lot of things. i was very impressed with president xi and i think he means well and i think he wants to help. >> reporter: erin, it's almost as though he was talking about a different person entirely. of course he had that meeting last week on thursday and friday at his mar alaga resort. he's trying to convince china to help with north korea. it sounded like an entirely different person that president trump was talking about. >> oh, yeah. this was something that was near and dear to his heart. this wasn't the only thing. the president said today nato was not obsolete.
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we don't even have to pull a sound bite. he said it today. >> i said it was obsolete. it's no longer obs lead. >> reporter: we've heard him say time and time again he'll be flexible. i guess this is what he meant. the flexibility, we'll see how that plays with others here. now he's the president, he needs these countries. the question is, what will his voters think his base who supported him based on that old message? >> all right, thanks, jeff. let's go to ed markey. senator, good to have you back. the president doing a 180 on china, no other way to describe it. he's saying assad is a butcher. nato is not obsolete. are you glad when you hear all
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these things? >> well, in some instans i am glad. i'm glad that he's squaring up his philosophy with reality. we don't know if this is just today because just two weeks ago he was saying that assad could stay and they accepted that. so i think that it just confuses our allies. it ends mines our role on the world stage. it doesn't have any coherence as a foreign policy, whatsoever. and it continues to hook like they're just making it up week-to-week. and they just don't have a common philosophy which they are bringing to all of these issues, and that undermines the role of the united states in the world. >> so senator, on this issue of china, trump said that china's president greed to take action in north korea.
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in fact, so much that trump is not labeling china as a currency manipulator. he's talked to me about this for a decade but thoent he said they're not. do you think that china is now successfully manipulating him? >> look. we have been talking to china off and on for years about north korea. thus far, to no effect in terms of deterring the north korean nuclear program. that is the entire hiflstory. if the president thinks his conversations over these last couple of days on thursday and friday of last week have led to a huge break-through on the north korean ballistic missile and nuclear weapons program, i think that we're going to need a lot more evidence than him just saying so. because i doubt it.
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that's not how the relationship between china and north korea has actually unfolded until this point in time. in fact, the one thing that the chinese have asked the united states to do over the years is to engage in direct talks with kim and trump is refusing to do that now, although he said during the campaign that he would. and so in each one of these instances, it is almost incomprehensible what the exact strategy is and whether or not there are nilt results what soefr. we do know that today, russia actually vitoed the resolution in the u.n. security council on the chemical weapons. we also know that the president did a complete flip-flop on currency manipulation in china, but without any specific return on that change of policy while abandoning all of his voters who he said during the campaign in
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2016 were being tipped up side down and having their money being shaken out of their pockets and their jobs being ex ported to china and all of a sudden he does it and he doesn't even have a concrete explanation as to what he received in return. >> so he -- right. and he was -- he did not have that answer. he also when talking about russia said u.s. relations with russia are at an all-time low. he was asked specifically, senator, whether it's possible that bashar al assad tlaunchd attack without russia knowing about it. he said that is unlikely. right. he's saying they probably knew about it in advance. here he is. >> i think it's certainly possible. i think it's probably unlikely. i know they're doing investigations into that right now. i would like to think that they didn't know, but certainly they could have. they were there. so we'll find out.
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>> so he says it's possible the russians knew, unlikely that they didn't, but there's an investigation. does this sound like he is carrying putin's water to you or is he now standing up top vladimir putin? >> look it. secretary tillerson met with labrov and putin today. what would we want from that meeting? number one, we would want russia to get all the chemical weapons out of syria and that's number one. >> they promised to do it but they didn't. so that promise doesn't seem like so much. >> he's got to get them to remove all the weapons. that didn't happen. there was an agreement for a cease fire last year. that has not actually been implemented. that should be honored. that didn't happen today. there should be, thirdly, a full distribution of humanitarian aid throughout syria.
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secretary tillerson did not receive that as a concession today. and that the opposition party should be going to the table with assad to reach a negotiated diplomatic resolution. that didn't happen today. from my perspective, if president trump wants to be serious, he should say to putin he's prepared to impose brand-new crippling sanctions on their suppliers, the one company in russia who sends weapons to syria. none of that has happened. >> i appreciate your time. new questions tonight about trump associates and their contacts with russia. former advisor speaking to cnn. plus, is the man once nicknamed president bannon about to fall victim to white house shakeup? we're going to talk to tom bash a.c. who spent time with trump today. and the president weighs in on
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guess. >> just like president trump just said when he was discussing the allegations about who knew what with the chemical weapons. let's not jump to any conclusions. until there's full evidence and a full investigation has been done, we just don't know. i have the same attitude about this. >> tom foreman is out front. >> the next. of the united states -- >> the fbi warrant to monitor carter page came at the height of the presidential campaign last summer. driven by suspicions that page was doing secret work for the russians. according to the washington post. page denies doing anything improper. >> it's such a joke it's beyond wortsds. i met a few business people but no negotiations about anything in terms of anything related to the campaign whatsoever. >> reporter: page says his role
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was minor. when the candidate talked about his team just over a year ago, there was the former investor who worked in moscow and viesed russian companies right in the middle. >> carter page ph.d. george abudapolis, an oil consultant. >> thank you very much. >> reporter: trump sites his cooperation with authorities in the case of a russian spy ring. one member of that group tried to recruit page in 2013, another evgeny bur kof was released and deported just last week. it was approved by the court. and -- >> i can't comment on the fisa warrant but if a warrant has been issued, it is very, very serious matter. >> reporter: another serious issue for team trump, paul ma t
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manfort. but the associated press now says he received $1.2 million from pro-russian organizations back in 2000. manforth is expected to register with the u.s. government as a legal representedive of ukraine for that work. his denied any improper russian contact on behalf of trump. no one has been charged with anything. >> they have seen zero evidence of any collusion between the trump campaign and russian officials. >> reporter: and yet those investigations are still going on, especially those into whether or not the russians medaled in the last u.s. election. with each new bombshell, the skeptics say with all that smoke, eventually there will be fire. erin? >> tom, thank you. out front now, jim sciutto along
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with julia kai a.m. and steve hall. jim, let me start with you on the reporting. there's another report i want to ask you about, the a.p. showing that financial reports show that paul manforth received more than a million dollars in off the book payments. a spokesman has said that's not true. how damaging, though, could it be? >> it could be very laging. it results from the black ledger as it's known in russia. it was a handwritten account of money paid. when it came out a few months ago, paul manforth and his lawyers questioned the authenticity of it. but they've tracked the payments from the ukraine to his consulting firm, so it's backed
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up. i shoot note that these mamts happened a number of years before paul manfort was donald trump's campaign manager. manforlt announced earlier today he is retroactively registered as a foreign agent because of work like this. >> i see your point. steve, i guess comma i'm wondering, when he says it's a long time ago, does this raise the question that he was compromised by the hidden payments so that when he worked for the trurch captain pain, the russians were able to -- i don't know. obviously, collude with him? does that raise the question? >> i think it does. it actually goes back further than just manfort's connectivity to the government in the the
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ukraine and pro-russian parties. he's also dealt with an russian oel gark. that was before that. but it's part of a pattern that i think is disturbing and concerning. >> so julia, on this issue of manfort now registering, right, he is now going to register and say that he did work on behalf of a foreign country. this is the second top trump aid to do this. michael flynn, the other one. in both cases it happened after the fact. is that suspicion? >> no. there would be many reasons you would clean it up after the fact. it's a very strict law that applies to people that lobby for a foreign government. people who were in the space and the space that steve and i are in, they know this law. you don't forget it. it's well known. so it's not like this is something that is often done. the second thing is the other person you mentioned who did
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this was mike flynn. lawyers in this field will tell you and they told me and i said this at the time about mike flynn, one, one reason, we don't know manforth's reasons for doing it. but one reason is because of ongoing investigations someone like manfort needs to clean up what he can clean up. in this case he can report actively file. >> if this washington post report is borne out, the fbi obtained a fisa report to monitor him during the campaign, we were told no one in the trump campaign was wire tapped. what does that say? >> president trump mentioned him himself, mentioned page as an advisor during that summer or earlier that year, that someone was indeed being surveilled by the u.s. government and not willie nilly, right? >> yeah.
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>> the government found probable cause. it went to the fisa court and the court grant ed the document. this is as the fbi is just beginning to look at not just russian sbrnchinterference in t election but possibly the collusion of trump officials and the russian government. that's significant. >> thank you all, very much. next, the president taking another shot at steve wanon tonight in another interview. you'll hear what he said. sean spicer, still apologizing, but can you ever fully apologize and recover from this? >> somebody as despicable of hitler who didn't even sink to using chemical weapons. hey, ready for the big meeting?
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guy who works for me." that's a pretty tough blow to a man who once saw his role as a dominant force in shaping the president's policy. what has changed? sarah murray is "out front." >> reporter: president trump's chief strategist getting a very public slap on the wrist. donald trump declining to throw his full confidence behind steve bannon in an interview with the new york post, saying "steve is a good guy but i told him to straighten it out or i will." those comments coming just days after tension between bannon and jared kushner reached a boij point. prompting trump telling the two of them on friday to iron out their differences. >> a lot of it overblown, what you see in the media. >> reporter: some say the president was irked by the fact that bannon was driving the
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agenda. >> staff are there to serve the president of the united states. they're not there to serve themselves. >> reporter: trump downplayed the role of his own strategist. saying "i like steve but you have to remember he was not involved in any of my campaign until late." trump's attempt to diminish him hardly meshes with reality. the former head of bright batter news website was one of trump's prominent cheerleaders, pointing out that bright batter took notice of trump's appeal early on. >> cpac really gave him the springboard. we saw how his speeches resonated with people. >> reporter: bannon's influence expanded eventually landing him
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on the cover of time magazine. >> send in steve bannon. >> his perceived importance was famously lampooned on saturday night live. >> ok. donald. that's enough fun for tonight. can i have my desk back? yes, of course, mr. president. i'll go sit at my desk. [ cheers and applause ] >> now the ball appears to be in bannon's court to moaned relationships in the white hoca relationships with the white house and take a low-level role. now, of course, there is also a risk in having wanon outside this white house. he is still a conservative media darling and of course the risk there that these right wing websites that have backed trump could turn theirbacks on him.
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we saw that today when a conservative website pointed out if there is a civil war in the white house they'd focus on jared kushner, saying these med allege too far. >> tom baker has been an associate for the president more than three decades. he spent time with the president today and yesterday. first, tom, three hours with the president, that's a lot of time. what did he say? >> well, what he said was actually less important than how he looked and how he felt. and i have to tell you since i was there with him since the first day, he was the most san begin, the most confident, the most in joysed, looked the best, the youngest, the least frustrated that i have ever seen him. and it felt to me in the confluence of the day with he he
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and with his team that the 96 days that he's had, he's grown into saying i am the chief executive officer of the united states. i'm the head of state, i'm the commander in chief, and i've got it. i just -- and up know my concern for him is not really the political agenda. it's he as an individual. >> and now it's interesting that you say but obviously, he's had some big wins with neal gorsuch, with syria. you see that confidence reflected in the way he's acting. tom, you just heard our report there on steve bannon. bannon in a sense was like icarus. he rose so quickly that he now falls so quickly. can you talk about his role as favored advisory? >> this president, what everybody has to get used to,
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this president has a very different management style. there's only one president and only one point of view and i promise you he does not get manipulated. he surrounds himself with bright people. steve is one of them. he has a flophilosophy that has place. as does jared and deanna powell as does hrchlt r. mcmaster. so what happens is he curates different points of view and encourages confusion amongst them. what happens is a misunderstanding sometimes on the outside that of course you're going to have fights inside of the sandbox that are on purpose and the president then curates a point of view to determine what he wants to do and he adapts. i think you see the president going from contender to a
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campaign viable candidate to candidate to president and in each place, he's adapting to the information that he has in front of him. i think he's doing an incredible job. i think the team is the a-team. i can tell you also -- i spent two days with most of the team. there's more harmony. they're better organized. things are starting to move. the agencies are getting their teams. remember, the president influences policy legislation as the head of state and the commander in chief. the agencies are the ones who implement the policies, and there's no team. the 2700 presidential appointees, there's probably 50 in place, so he's just getting going. >> i'm curious, though, because obviously he's done two interviews with the new york post and the wooetd. wall street tonight and their latest quote "bannon is a guy who works for me."
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cartoons, mimicked and mocked their relationship, saturday night live with of course this now infamous skit. was bannon drawing too much attention to himself and away from the president? look. the president was given the direct opportunity to stand behind him and he is not doing so? >> look. i think the president is zang behind him because steve is still a very important part of his try up verant. >> so he's just teaching him a lesson? >> i don't. whenever you forget who's in charge, he will teach all of us a lesson. i think all that's happening is in the inner workings of the white house as everybody is gaining more command and control -- and honestly, i'm not giving you a political point of view. i'm telling you, in my opinion, it's running better today than it's ever run, and what this team has accomplished in 96 days is monumental. forget about the politics of
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what's happened. last week with president xi and syria and how they you'll came together, the fine tuning of his team around him, saying by the way, there's no "i" in team. is how any executive would adjust his team. >> mall manforth is in the news tonight. you've known him fore dpek aids and helped bring him into the campaign. the ap reporting that manforth receiving millions of dollars off the books of a pro-russian entity. he says there's nothing improper going on. do you believe him? >> yeah, i believe -- look, i've known paul for over 30 years. he's credible, he's reliable. he's an unbelievable pro. i found his character to be bulletproof. i know his family. i know his wife.
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i know his partners. i've watched him in afar for 30 years. i have no reason to disbelieve him. in the k578 pain for the president, which had knowing to do with this, right, what people don't understand is that in march the president needed delegates. >> right. >> this president had no conventional team. when you're in a jungle you need to find somebody who's been through that jungle. a convention is complicated. you need 1267 delegates. each state has a different manner in gaining the dell galgts and a different manner in selling them. paul manforth ran that convention for president trump. he probably did the best job of the four conventions he ran, by the way. there's no one who's run more conventions nanopaul manforth. in looking at the connection, that is what it was. he did an a-plus job.
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he got the 1267 delegates. he said the rules platform which was unbloebl and then he was done. the rest of this -- >> sean spicer and others distancing himself saying he was there for a short time and not in a significant role, which as you point out is categorically not true. this is what's under investigation. do you think manforth was compromised or working with the russians to rig this election for trump or in any other way? >> it's hersey. it's impossible. the president had no inclination of russia. it wasn't on his radar. it had no purpose in doeftd policy. number two, paul manforth who's working for free, by the way, russia, the ukraine had no place on the stage. i don't know the facts. i'm just saying i know the man. i know the character of the man.
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i know what happened during that election. i know what happened during the convention and i would have a hard time believing it, although i don't have any access to the facts. >> all right. tom baker barrack, thank you fo time. tonight, how the president's advice on this incident could have been avoided. on this one, everybody, he was totally right. >> oh, my god! i never miss an early morning market.
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. tonight i let the president down, so says the press secretary sean spicer, apologizing yet again for claiming hitler never using chemical weapons and other things he said about hitler. is this one mistake too many for a man who already faces questions? brian celtser is out front. >> reporter: to make >> it's unaccept building. >> reporter: his credibility faces another hit. >> i think i've let the
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president county. >> reporter: it's the third time spicer has apologize for the firestorm he created with these comments. >> you had someone as despicable as hitler who didn't even sink to the -- to using chemical weapons. >> reporter: repeated attempts to clarify wasonly backfired. >> he wasn't using the gas on his people the same way as assad -- up understand. i appreciate that. thank you. there was not in the -- he brought him into the holocaust. i understand that. >> reporter: reporters and politicians in washington are buzzing about whether spicer's job is on the line. even his mea culpa on cnn was spattered with inaccuracies. >> the attempt he's making to destabilize the region. >> reporter: destabilize the region? that's the wrong word. he also mispronounced the
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leader's name again. it's a pattern of sloppiness that's corroding his ability. his mention of barrel bombs in syria suggested a big change in policy. >> if you gas a baby, put a barrel bomb in to innocent people, i think you will see a response from this president. that is unacceptable. >> reporter: multiple white house officials later clarified, implying that the press secretary misspoke. this statement last month. >> there's been discussion of paul manforth who played a limited role for a limited amount of time. >> reporter: even before that, spicer kicked off an internaurnl incident when he shares fox's baseless claim about president obama using the parish to tap trump. >> judge andrew neopolitano said "three intelligence sources have informed fox news that he went
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outside the chain of command." >> reporter: and then this. the question now is whether spicer has become too much of a liability or will his. >> this was mine to own, mine to apologize for and mine to ask for forgiveness for. >> asking for forgiveness and let's be honest, this is a hard job, being a top spokesman for the u.s. government, is a hard job, even harder when your boss is president trump. and there's no indication that trump is out there looking for a replacement. but here's another day that spicer is the story not what the white house is doing. >> david, he apologized again and again and again, right, saying it's inexcusable, going on and on. is that enough? or is trump going to fire him? >> well, as brian just said, there really is no indication
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that sean spicer is sort of hanging by a thread at all right now erin. but, listen, i think the apology you're talking about indicates is the magnitude of the error and i think he was out there for the best part of the last 24 hours, not only to make sure his boss knew he was out there apologizing, but also to try and earn back whatever credibility sean spicer thinks he lost. >> sean spicer of course has this issue, as brian was just playing, when he was saying some of the things he said was not true. >> let's go to the top of this administration, donald trump's relationship with the truth, i think you can call tenuous at times, so that's why you're doing what you do every night and what we're all doing here is important because we have to
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present the facts, lay them out for the american public, so they can assess their leaders and the president's staff credibility. >> all right, thank you very much. and next, president trump, weighing in on the shocking video of the united airlines passenger dragged off a plane. and as a businessman here, we think he might have nailed it. wu doing tomorrow -10am? staff meeting. noon? eating. 3:45? uh, compliance training. 6:30? sam's baseball practice. 8:30? tai chi. yeah, so sounds relaxing. alright, 9:53? i usually make their lunches then, and i have a little vegan so wow, you are busy. wouldn't it be great if you had investments that worked as hard as you do? yeah. introducing essential portfolios. the automated investing solution that lets you focus on your life. testinhuh?sting! is this thing on? come on! your turn! where do pencils go on vacation? pennsylvania! (laughter)
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dragging a man off the flight. he said that the airline should have offered passengers more money. if they just offered more money, eventually someone would have gotten off the plane. he is right about that. this comes tonight as the ceo is out on a massive apology tour. >> reporter: for a while it seemed tough, dragging an apology out of united, but finally the ceo said sorry. >> the word ashamed comes to mind. >> reporter: you didn't need a poll to gauge public opinion. >> what are we at united airlines saying? the company lost $255 million in market value in one day, which means they could have given each of those passengers they kicked off the plane their own jet plane. >> reporter: it was a banner week for apologies, pepsi had to pull their new commercial, the one spoofed by "snl."
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and then sean spicer had to admit -- >> i screwed up. >> reporter: for his hitler comments, lampooned on kimmel. >> someone as despicable at hitler who didn't even stoop to using chemical weapons. oh,. >> oh, no, did i just defend hitler? >> sean spicer introduces oscar mun munos. >> you saw us at a very bad moment, not a good day in my history. >> take it from brenda lee. >> this was my mistake, my bad, that's on me. it was my blunder. ♪ please accept my apology >> this will never happen again on a united ariels flight. >> i saw people's forgiveness because i screwed up, no one should be treated that way, period.
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all right, don't forget you can watch "out front" any time anywhere, just watch cnn go. "a.c. 360" with anderson cooper starts right now. good evening, welcome to "a.c. 360" and donald trump 180 today president trump making a 1 180 on so many of the statements he made during the campaign. on nato, saying it was obsolete, then and now. >> nato is obsolete, it's over 67 years old, it is, many countries doesn't cover terrorism, it covers the soviet union, which is no long never existence and nato has to be either be rejiggered, rechanged for the party. >> the secretary general and i had a productive discussion about what more nato can do in the fight against terrorism.
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