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topping this hour of 360, u.s. bomb too big for the bomber to carry and the target it struck in afghanistan. since two administrations in two major wars they have never found the occasion to drop it and thou they have. barbara starr has details. >> reporter: the largest nonnuclear bomb used in combat targeting afghanistan's remote province. they dropped the bomb via parachute. >> we targeted a system of tunnels and caves that isis

fighters used to move around freely, making it easier to target u.s. advisers and afghan forces in the area. >> reporter: it's blast is supposed to destroy a target area that can spread over thousands of feet. on saturday a u.s. army operations soldier was killed in combat in the same area. >> in order to defeat the group, we must deny them operational space, which we did. >> one reason it was used, the area is so remote the u.s. believes there were no nearby civilians. >> you probably had a very large concentration, and it made perfect sense based othen time of day they were going to attack, they could have a massive kill in this area not putting any operators or any traditional sources at risk.

>> reporter: now the question did the bomb work in its plan? >> as described it's a concussive blast so everybody under neath that thing is either obliterated, ears are bleeding or it was destroyed. >> reporter: u.s. air crafts and at lites will be overhead looking for an assessment of the damage and trying to make sure that no civilians were struck. >> barbara, thank you very much. colonel this was the first nonnuclear bomb. what does it tell you about the situation in that part on the state in afghanistan? >> well, the situation in afghanistan is getting worse.

this is the one area of afghanistan we find a large concentration of particularly nasty isis people. and they have a resurgence there, and they've been quite successful. these tunnels and caves make them very hard to find. they're able to come up very quickly. we lost a special forces soldier as reported, there last week. he had the authority to use this particular weapon. i think the general described it as this is the perfect target. you've got caves, you've got tunnel, and a lot of people that are bad guys and there's no civilian popilation. this was the perfect weapon for this target. >> and it's not clear if the president ordered this or done by people in the field. what is the protocol for things like this? >> well, the protocol is its

classified as a tactical weapon. the authority rests with the theater commander, and general nickenson has that authority. he could have checked with the white house, but it would have been a courtesy. i'm told by the people at the white house he didn't need to ask nor did he. >> this is sort of a surprise to people to be refocused on it. but also it comes in the wake of a syria strike and concern in north korea. >> the united states is deeply engaged militarily all over the world. afghanistan, just think about this, we've been in afghanistan for 12 years. i'm sorry 17 or 16 years since 9 9/11. the united states has spent hundreds of billions of dollars, and the fact we have to use a bomb like this, it suggests that the enemy is able to find ways

to evade the usual bombs. it's not exactly a ringing sign of success. the united states has still got almost 10,000 troops in afghanistan 16 years after 9 laegs 11, and you have to use this kind of ordinance for it. inside syria it's ary minder you're still inside a very messy civil war. i think it's showing donald trump is recognizing and he praised it. i think he reflects a larger issue, which is there isn't going to be some kind of easy, quick, clean military solution. they've been trying it for 16 years in afghanistan. so he wants to thing about what lesson to draw, you also want to work the politics of this. if you don't get a representative government in afghanistan that can control its territory, we'll be dropping these bombs for another 16 years. >> david gergen was on in the

last hour, and reminded that one of the areas that i had been in with him and others with the marines years ago has already been retake bine the taliban despite efforts by the british marines and the u.s. marines to hold onto it. the fact that it's not clear the role the president played, whether he authorized this bombing or not, but do you think this signals a change in the u.s. military posture? >> absolutely. now, local commanders on the ground are all saying this was a rather isolated strike. they saw authorization, and got authoritiation up the chain. i'm sure the president knew the bomb was going to be dropped. it's unrelated to north korea and everything else. but i think in the political world and what we've been doing,

sending out warships to north korea, sending out missile tuesday syria, and now this missile the biggest ever, 22,000 pounds. typically the u.s. drops bombs maybe 2,000 pounds, and we've gone after complexes before in afghanistan. so initially it's going to send a new signal that's there's a new sheriff in town. i think the united states is going to be met with mostly popular reception. what is all this military stuff about, the white house isn't explaining it, it's coming out of context. out the blue we've dropped the biggest bomb we've ever dropped in our history when we thought the place was iraq and syria. what's going on here? and i think this is when people are going to ask is this what happens when you have a lot of generals? i think the president needs to

have the -- the president and the secretary defense need to talk about where all this is going? >> training the military and getting faung up to speed, i remember going with the special forces training the african army then and here we are 16, 17 years later still talking about getting them on the same two feet. and you heard donald trump talking about who knew afghanistan was so comp clated. you have the political break down which has allowed groups like isis to come in. and we have a largely military approach at this point. largely because as you said, anderson, we tried nation building. we tried it in iraq. and the obama administration ended up with, in a sense,

counter terrorism instead of counter insurgeoncy. donald trump will probably go through the debate all over again. those are the two -- the tension is do you go in actually try to stabilize the area politically or do you just play whack a mole? and there's an argument for whack a mole. it's no fun for the mole. you're constantly smacking them down. but you keep thinking are we going to have the same conversation when another bopb drops and reminds people we still have troops in afghanistan and every day we drop bombs on them. >> that requires more forces, requires forces to hold territory, and there is an element of nation building in that as well. and again it's nation building done by the u.s. military, which

is not the ideal one one is imposed to do that. >> and we don't want to make that long-term commitment that it requires. and we tire this. and you can see this in the bush administration, and you saw it in the obama administration. we spent how long getting into afghanistan and the rest of the time getting out. and we're not able to do that. every time we think we're on our way out, we see a resurgence in the taliban. what we're doing is not working. we've tried to train the african army, spent so much money doing that. >> the military aid, afghanistan's defense budget has for many years been very large than the gdp. it is larger than the actual economy -- >> i've got to say a lot of them

belong to these afghan military generals, and you're wondering where all that comes from. >> i don't know why the victory in isis is going to come from afghanistan? why this -- i think we sort of detour into afghanistan and make that the center of gravity on the fight against isis, that's going to be a little nuts. i mean i don't know what strategy that represents. so i don't know understand why would we drop the great big bomb and suddenly think afghanistan's the problem and not try to press the fight. >> to be continued. thank you. david, going to stick around. i want to get david's take on some reporting of alleged ties. we just learned other intelligence agencies outside

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a new piece of the russia, trump picture tonight. new communications shown between russia and the trump administration. it suggests that more eyes and ears picked up early on signs of contact with moscow.

the latest now. >> reporter: tonight cnn has learned that the british and european intelligence intercepted communications between trump associates and russian officials and other russians known to western intelligence during the u.s. presidential campaign and shared those communications with their u.s. counterparts. multiple u.s. and western officials tell cnn. these sources stress stress at no point did western intelligence, including the britain gchq, target these trump associates. instead, their communications were picked up as incidental collection during routine surveillance of known russian targets. the u.s. and britain are part of the so-called five eyes agreement along with canada, australia and new zealand, which calls for open sharing among member nations of a broad range of intelligence. this new information comes as former trump foreign policy advisor carter page provides a confusing even conflicting story

about his contacts with russian he has denied that he was a foreign agent. >> this is -- it's just such a joke it's beyond wards. >> reporter: page said when he visited russia last july he never discussed easing relations on russia. >> did you ever talk with anyone there about maybe president trump, if he were elected, then candidate trump, would be willing to get rid of the sanctions? >> never any direct conversations such as that. >> i don't know what that means, direct conversations. >> i'm saying -- that was never said, no. >> reporter: but interviewed on abc news this morning, page could not provide a clear answer. >> something may have come up in a -- i have no recollection and there is nothing specifically that i would have done that would have given people that impression. >> but you can't say you didn't discuss the easing of sanctions? >> someone may have brought it up. i have no recollection. if it was, it was not something

i was offering or someone was asking for. >> well, jim sciutto joins us now along with cnn political analyst david gergen. >> jim, do you know whether the senate and house intelligence communities are going to be looking at the evidence gathered by the europeans or have they already? >> absolutely. i spoke with a source close to the congressional senate investigation today and said if it's relevant they will look at this. you have u.s., british and multiple european intelligence agencies picking up communications between russians known to western intelligence and trump associates. that could be innocent communication, but we know that not only the hill committees are looking at this, but also the fbi. they are exploring whether there's any evidence of collusion between those russians and trump officials who they don't know yet, but they're certainly looking at that question. >> david, would you be at all

surprised if the trump administration or its defenders used this british incidental story to try to cloud the water around the russian investigation or to say it backs up the stuff that the judge said about british intelligence working for president obama off the books? >> i think it will be strained. i think what they benefit most from is that the appearance of trump possibly being a puppet of mr. putin. that's been demolished here by events over the last few weeks and i think that's their biggest defense right now, anderson. even so it is perfectly possible there was collusion and the relationship soured. so it is extremely important that the investigation continue and to underscore what jim was saying the fact that britain and western europe all came to the united states and warned starting in late 2015 and through the months that followed into '16 warned there were these unusual conversations between americans associated with trump

and the russians, it's so obvious that the investigative committees are going to dive into the middle of this. what i don't know is when the warnings came or the signaling came from the british and others, whether they actually gave them information. did they give them copies of transcripts or things like that. that would obviously be a major part of the investigation to come. >> do we know, jim? >> we know that they would share both the fact that these conversations took place and the transcripts, but when u.s. -- >> they would share the transcripts. >> they would, but under u.s. administration they would have to mask the names of the americans involved unless -- we went through this earlier with the questions about susan rice did and others. >> it was interesting the head of the cia mike pompeo came out and said wikileaks is a hostile intelligence service.

that's not been the view of donald trump during the campaign. i want to play sound from the campaign. >> now, this just came out. this just came out. wikileaks -- i love wikileaks. and i said write a couple of them down. buy by the way, did you see another one? another one came in today. wikileaks is like a treasure trove. wikileaks just came out with lots of unbelievable things. just minutes ago. in fact, i almost delayed this speech by about two hours it's so interesting. >> i also just saw a report that pompeo himself on his congressional twitter account himself a year ago was quoting from wikileaks documents.

>> now he's the cia director. he's the president's choice of cia director and his comments today were a not too subtle repudiation of a position repeated by candidate trump many times on the campaign trail. remember, there was a time when we used to ask candidates in these positions to condemn or criticize comments like this coming from a group that might be criticizing their candidate. in this case it wasn't that. he was actively praising them. i love wikileaks. now he has his cia director saying we are now designating the cia, wikileaks, not just as a passive actor or an annoying presence, but as a hostile non-state actor working with the russians. that's remarkable. >> yeah, jim sciutto, david gergen, thank you. ahead, the campaign long over, the rubber is hitting the road which may explain the 180 from president trump. the panel weighs in next.

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we may be feeling whiplash tonight. it's been a week of 18s from president trump president trump who has changed

his positions on syria, china, health care. it seemed so easy during the campaign. >> we're going to make america great again. it's going to be easy. it's going to be easy. it's very easy to be presidential. i have great people. we have top smart people, but it's so easy to do. we have drugs. we have debt. we have empty factories. that's going to end. that's going to end. so easy. so easy to solve. believe me, the jobs are coming back. it's going to be so easy. this is so easy. i want to jump start america and it can be done and it won't be that hard. folks, i'm going to do so much about it. it's going to be so easy. it's going to be so easy. being presidential is easy. much easier than what i have to do. >> that was then and now president trump is sitting in the oval office calling the shots and things do not look so easy anymore. the rubbers hit the road. lots to discuss. david, again, congratulations. just awesome.

incredible reporting. it is amazing when you consider so many of the statements that donald trump made on the campaign trail and every president -- president obama talked about closing gitmo and didn't do that and the white house says the situation has changed with nato, but in fact it hasn't changed that much. >> no, the opposite is true. this is president trump learning on the job that all these things he said are so simple are not simple and there's a reason why past presidents have done a lot of these things the same way because the options are not great. it's good that he's learning on the job and he's learning these complexities, but it does belie the idea behind his candidacy which is everyone else who did this is stupid and since he wasn't he could change these things easily. >> i think about the republicans standing on the debate stage with him, marco rubio and everybody else, who were saying at the time they were trying to act presidential and they had nuance policies, they had policy

papers, i don't think they would would be willing to say you say one thing when you're running and now you're president and you say something else. >> i don't think he's flipped on a lot of things, but when you look facts on the ground have changed -- >> the chemical weapons were used before and he tweeted endlessly that president obama should not strike militarily. >> and obama reportedly got rid of the chemical weapons weapons in syria and the facts changed. >> why chemical weapons attack in 2013. donald trump said don't attack. you're an idiot if you attack. don't get sucked into it. why attack now? >> it become real to him. when you take 1600 pennsylvania avenue -- >> the facts didn't change. >> the facts did change because there was another chemical attack. it was the same scenario as in 2013, but when you take the oval office and see those pictures of dead babies, it becomes real. >> it becomes real, not the facts change. >> i grant you that was the one

definitive change we've seen with the president. but we have seen is seen, but he had a meeting with the nato secretary general. nato has in fact many allies have said they're going to donate surveillance weapons and drones. they are stepping up to their obligations in nato. >> his saying nato was obsolete was not about the money thing. his saying nato was obsolete which is they weren't focusing on terrorism which wasn't true. nato has been focusing on terrorism since 9/11. they've been fighting in afghanistan and dying. >> he had a meeting with the nato secretary. he believes the relationship has moved closer to what he sees just like janet yellen who he now has confidence in. the circumstances have changed. >> janet yellen hasn't changed and now donald trump likes her. china was a country that was raping america in donald trump's words. and then he meets the premier of

chia and says says he's a nice guy and now i understand and he lecture ed for ten years and i understand. >> just like health care. it earn turns out much more complicated than any of else knew. he has changed. i think he's grown. >> i'm not criticizing. people should change, but to pretend everything else has changed is hypocritical. >> he had the potential to change. even though he was 70 years old he had never been elected to anything. it makes sense in the first 100 days you would discover and learn things and grow wiser. i'm pretty happy with the direction things are going if people like steve bannon is being marginalized and other people like h.r. mcmaster who replaced flynn. i think that was a big tradeoff. so look, he's flip-flopped, but i think he's flipping in the

right direction. >> i keep coming back to the other republicans who were on that stage who would probably have said, yeah, it is actually complicated and these are nuance things and you have to think about it and maybe you should do that while you're running as opposed to say one thing when you're running and when you're in office say it's different now. >> right, i mean a lot of these positions are pretty standard fair for republicans and damns. we haven't designated china a currency manipulator in more than 20 years. as you already mentioned nato and troops in nato have been fighting terrorism for more than ten years. a lot of this has been consistent. what's stunning is the fact he is learning a lot about global affairs on the job. he's not a freshman in model in u.n. he's the president of the united states. i think what we're seeing over the last week is a really concerning lack of knowledge of a lot of these events and how complicated they are and how complicated these issues are. >> i heard someone raise this,

but who is briefing the president on the relationship between china and north korea if it takes a ten-minute lecture from the chinese premiere to open the president's eyes it's maybe not as easy for china to influence events in north korea. does that concern you at all? >> i think this is part of the evolution of the job. part of learning. wise men in washington once told me old ideas are old because they're good. they've been tested. new ideas don't last long because they have not been tested. i think when you get into the nuances of the federal reserve or chinese currency manipulation, which most people do acknowledge went on from 2003 to 2014 and then it was discontinued, discontinued, but those things can sometimes have a life of their own. you'll remember the notch baby issue, this group of people who thought they were short changed when jimmy carter changed the social security formula. it was very complicated. congress never torched it because it was a bad idea, but for candidates, great for red meat, but for legislators not a

good idea. i think a lot of that happens once you get in office and you realize there is a function of the xm bank and it does make money. and going back to matt's point it would be scary to all of us, democrats and republicans, if politicians did not emerge and grow once they were in office and have a lot more information. >> i guess to me i just wonder are future elections is the game say whatever you want to say that pleases the crowd in front of you and then do something different when you're in office? >> i think there were a lot of people on november 8th who believed that that is who donald trump was, that it was a con, that he was pulling the wool over the proverbial voter's eyes. what we see now is donald trump is not who we thought he was. he ran in the same vein as andrew jackson. donald trump is not that.

it's not just syria and janet yellen. it's not syria. it's not china. it's not america first. everything that we see, even planned parenthood, there were some people who thought that ivanka was having meetings with planned parenthood, that somehow he would soften on women's rights issues. none of these things are coming true. donald trump is not the man that many poor rural voters voted for. >> we have to take a quick break. one on one with nikki haley. she was in russia with the security council meeting. what she had to say. that is next.

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>> strengthening assad will only lead to more murderers. >> reporter: u.n. ambassador nikki haley has taken center stage is the voice of policy in the trump administration. >> for those who don't have our back, we're taking names. >> reporter: or contradict her boss. russia is trying to show muscle. i think we should contradict them. >> reporter: has he ever said to you you shouldn't have said something? >> no, he has not. >> reporter: are you surprised. >> i'm not surprised because he knew that when he hired me that i made it clear i didn't want to be a wall flower or talking head. i'm very passionate by nature and he's fine with it. >> reporter: how much is coordinated with the white house and the state department? >> it's always coordinated with the white house. >> reporter: you're not going

rogue? >> no. it's a sign of how this president works. it's not uncommon for him to pick up the phone and tell me what he feels on an issue or to say say this or say this. he has given me a lot of leeway to say what i think and i'm a stone voice by nature and sometimes i'm a bull in a china shop, and he allows me to do thad. >> reporter: friends say that same strength and independent served her well growing up in south carolina. the daughter of immigrants from india, her father was a professor and her mother was a lawyer, but the family suffered constant discrimination. >> they had never seen anybody in a turban. so they didn't know who we were, what we were, what we were about. growing up you knew you were different. you felt it. >> reporter: one such moment when she and her sister was disqualified from the little miss beauty pageant which

crowned one white winner and one black winner. the judges said they were neither. >> my mom said nikki's been practicing this song. will you let her do this song? it was this is our land. >> reporter: there's the irony of the story. >> it is. but my mom would never let us complain. she'd say your job is not to show them how you're different, it's to show them how your similar. >> reporter: she went on to get a degree, get married and raise two children. her daughter rena now a freshman in college and her son nailen who's 15. along the way she credits along the way she credits two women with her interest in politics. your role model is margaret thatcher. >> yes. if you want something said ask a man. if you want something done ask a woman. love that. >> reporter: the woman who

inspired you to go into politics was a democrat named? >> it was hillary clinton. >> that was it. i was done. i didn't know you were supposed to run a 30-year incumbent in a primary, but ignorance is bliss. >> reporter: she won that race, served in the white house, and than went onto fright two barriers becoming the first woman governor of south carolina. overnight she was a rising star in the republican party, thrust on the national stage after the horrific mass shooting at charleston's emanual ame church. >> everyone just wanted to hug each other. there's this image of nikki

crying. >> reporter: she won praise for her successful campaign to remove the confederate flag from the state house. >> she did something that many people thought was impossible. a female who ran for governor and she beat all the boys. she's always persevered. >> reporter: her star power was never more apparent during the presidential campaign when she endorsed marco rubio and many thought this could be the gop ticket. >> donald trump did not take it well and he went on twitter. the people of south carolina are embarrassed by nikki haley! and not 20 minutes later you responded, bless your heart. what does bless your heart mean when your from south carolina? >> it's a polite way of saying read between the lines. >> reporter: trump did want hold it against her naming haley the u.n. ambassador. >> reporter: secretary tillerson has been so quiet and you've

kept such a low profile. is there any awkwardness. >> i'm one that's not afraid to say anything. i'm one that's not easily intimidated, and i can go out and say things. it has, however, led to speculation that haley might like his job or higher office. everybody i talked to said does she want to be secretary of state? >> no. >> are you going to be senator? >> no. >> are you going to run for the white house? you're not going to run for the white house? everyone thinks you are. >> you know this is what's happened my entire career. everyone thinks i'm ambitious and trying to run for something. and everybody thinks i want more. but the truth is i'm just passionate. >> what you wouldn't rule out

you might run for the white house someday? >> i can't imagine run frg the white house. it's interesting at the beginning of your piece you talked about the moment nikki haley held up those photographs which is probably the moment everybody replayed and stuff. you came to learn the back story. >> i think she said in her interview that she coordinates things with the white house but donald trump gives her leeway. and that's an example of leeway. she didn't run that by the white house. and i've spoke toon the people who work with her. she trusts her own instincts. that her instinct, and it ended up having not only a powerful effect on the u.n. but also a powerful affect on donald trump. because one day she's sigh saying and the next day he's saying it. coming up we're going to

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we're taking you inside a facility where missiles are made. we can't tell you where they're made or where they're being shipped. we can tell you they are tomahawk missiles, the kind that were launched a eed at a syrian base last week. gary tuchman reports. >> reporter: the tomahawk is considered the world's most advanced cruise missile. it's been used in combat more than 2,000 times by the u.s. navy, from sudan to serbia. all new tomahawks come out of one factory, this one. in a city and state we've been asked not to reveal for security reasons. the 20-foot-long tomahawks are manufactured by raytheon company. kim is one of the executives. >> this is the final configuration before it goes out the door to the customer. we do the integration of the rocket motors and warheads of the missiles. other components and assemblies come from other factories.

we test it, fuel it and get it ready to go out the door. >> how soon will they go out the door? >> in the next couple of days. >> reporter: 14 tomahawks are about to be shipped out. workers are performing what they call a roll test to make sure there's nothing loose inside the missile and that everything is connected properly. raytheon's contract with the navy is 96 missiles for this year. >> they can fly 1,000-plus miles. it can go up and loiter, as we call it where it can fly around in a figure eight pattern. >> reporter: in other words, once it's sent off, if you want to change where it's going -- >> it can be redirected and rerouted to a specific target. >> reporter: the tomahawk has been around since the 1980s. but this is the newest version of the missile. manufactured since 2004. it can be used for up to 30 years. tomahawks that haven't been used come back after 15 years for recertification and upgrades. >> this is the rocket motor that launches it out of the vertical launch system.

it is what propels it out. so when you see the footage of a missile coming out of a ship, it is the plume out of that vertical launch. as you move up to the front is the navigation, communication system, and ultimately up here at the very end is the warhead. it is a 1,000-pound warhead. >> reporter: the tomahawks can strike within mere feet of a target. they are launched from ships or submarines. >> if it comes from a submarine, it will swim through the water. the rocket will take it up out of the water and get it up into the airplane mode which is where it will fly and perform its mission from there. >> reporter: it swims and it flies? >> it swims and it flies. >> reporter: the price tag per missile, about $1.1 million. each tomahawk weighs about 3,500 pounds. so when 60 were fired toward syria, that was about 210,000 pouns of firepower. the people that work here tell

us it's not just a job. >> it is an honor to be able to work for the men and women in uniform and be able to supply them with a competitive advantage. we make sure that they have an unfair advantage out in the theater. >> reporter: you say this gives the u.s. military an unfair advantage? >> absolutely. we want to keep it that way. >> gary, you mentioned unused tomahawks come back to raytheon in 2019 for upgrades. do you know what kind of upgrades they plan? >> reporter: as you can imagine, there's a lot about this missile currently and in the future that's classified. one thing we can report, in 2019, when they do come back for their improvements, one of the upgrades will be given the capability to strike moving targets, such as ships, or land vehicles. >> gary tuchman, thank you very much. fascinating. we'll be right back. (deep breath) ♪ (phone ringing) they'll call back. no one knows your ford better than ford and ford service.

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that's it for us. thanks for watching. time to hand things over to don lemon. "cnn tonight" starts right now. this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news. u.s. military hits isis with the mother of all bombs. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. the massive weapon is the largest nonnuclear bomb the military has ever used in combat. today it was deployed in afghanistan for the very first time. president trump praising the mission, but the commander in chief won't say whether he's the one who gave the green light. and we have more breaking news.

sources telling cnn that british intelligence and other european agencies intercepted communications between trump associates and russian officials during the campaign and passed them on to u.s. officials. we will bring you the very latest on all of this. let's begin with the military targeting isis in afghanistan. i want to bring in cnn chief national security correspondent tim sciutto, and lieutenant colonel rick francona. the mother of all bombs. largest nonnuclear bomb the u.s. has ever used in combat. the president is calling it a success. let's take a look first. >> you look at what's happened over the last eight weeks and compare that to what's happened over the last eight years. you'll see there's a tremendous difference. tremendous difference. we have incredible leaders in the military, and we have incredible military. and we are very proud of them. this was another very, very successful mission. >> it's important to note here