tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN April 17, 2017 10:00pm-11:01pm PDT
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top of this hour of 360 the nation wide-man-hunt for the man police say murdered an elderly man. the killer posted video on facebook. he is now on the run out there somewhere. the latest on the manhunt as we show you a picture of the suspect. steve stephens. throughout our reporting you should know there's a $50,000 reward for information leading to this man's arrest. police consider him armed, dangerous. do not approach him. gary tuchman is in cleveland where the killing happened. joins us now with the latest on the man hospital. what do we know, gathery? >> reporter: anderson, cleveland is mourning the loss of 74-year-old robert godwin, now the city, the state, and nation are searching for his killer. the suspect is steve stephens. this is a national manhunt. we thought there was evidence he was in pennsylvania. authorities in pennsylvania said a cellphone ping or a signal
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from his cellphone was detected in the city of erie, about 100 miles east of here. later, the police department said they had no knowledge of such a signal. then sometime during the day today, there was reports of people in philadelphia there was a sighting of him. that's not deemed credible. authorities are operating under the assumption he is still here in ohio, still here in the city of cleveland. we can tell you he is considered armed and dangerous. there's a $50,000 reward for any information provided that leads to his arrest. one thing we should tell you, in the video alleged he killed 13 people. authorities do not believe that's accurate. they believe there's only one murder he is responsible for. as long as he is on the loose, they are very concerned. >> thanks very much. some have been reporting that this is a five-state manhunt. authorities pushed back on that definition. they say given the amount of time since the killing, he really could be anywhere. so they don't want people who are only in those five states to be on the lookout. they want people nationwide to
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be on the lookout and obviously do not approach this person. call the police if you believe you have seen him. the north korean nuclear crisis and a warning today from the president. >> any message for north korea, sir, kim jung-un? >> behave. >> the president does not want to telegraph any moves he might make. vice-president pence was at the demilitarized zone. dana bash caught up with him. >> danna, you interviewed the vice president today at the dmz. what did he tell you? >> reporter: it was really clear from the moment he uttered his first words here on the korean peninsula that he was coming with a different kind of message, intentionally so, from the trump administration to the north koreans. when he talked about it, he sounded a lot like somebody who is not as interested in diplomacy as we have seen from past administrations. so i asked him about that.
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you said the era of patience -- strategic patience is over. what does that mean in real terms? >> it was it the policy of the united states of america during previous administrations to practice what they call strategic patient. that was to hope to marshal international support to bring an end to the nuclear ambitions and ballistic missile program of north korea. that clearly has failed. the advent of nuclear weapon testing, the development of a nuclear program, even this weekend to see another attempt at a ballistic missile launch all confirms the fact that strategic patience has failed. >> reporter: what what does it mean to end in practical terms? it's either use military force or find a diplomatic solution that has alluded all your pred setters.
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>> i think as the president made clear, we're going to abandon the failed policy of strategic patience. but we're going to redouble our efforts to bring diplomatic and economic pressure to bear on north korea. our hope is that we can resolve this issue peaceably. i know the president was heartened by his discussions with president xi. we have seen china begin to take some actions to bring pressure on north korea. but there needs to be more. >> reporter: so it was really clear that he was talking about what we've seen in the public over the past few weeks from president trump trying to be hoar aggressive, trying to pressure the chinese to use its leverage with koreans. but aern, we've seen that move before. i looked up a story that i did 13 years ago this month on this very trip with then vice-president cheney talking about the same thing, the chinese need to get more involved, they need to use leverage. it's not really entirely clear how and how much more the american administration, the trump administration is willing
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to do to make that happen with the chinese. >> it's also interesting how public this visit to the dmz was. clearly, the administration wants to send a message to north koreans watching with the images, not just words they're using but the images of the vice-president in a military jacket looking over the border. >> that's right. i thought one of the things that was really fascinating to watch is how the vice-president made an audible. it was a real audible. given the fact that they did want to send a message, a symbolic message with imagery. up until the last moment, they told us that the vice-president would not leave the so-called freedom house, which would mean he would be behind glass looking over at the dmz, looking at those north korean soldiers. when he was there, he realized that that was not the picture
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that would really threaten the north koreans of the vice-president of the united states being shielded with bullet proof glass. so he said, i'm going out there. secret service, security, they were not thrilled about it. but there was nothing they can do. just when it comes to pure symbolism, he clearly made the right call, anderson. >> dana bash, thanks very much. joining us is former ambassador to south korea christopher hill, dean of the school of international studies at the university of denver. also david gergen. and robert. david, let's start with you. the fact you have north korea's u.n. representative saying that thermo nuclear way may break out at any moment, it's certainly an incredibly tense time between these two countries. where do you see this going? >> anderson, i have had the privilege of going to the dmz
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with president reagan and then president clinton. i can't remember a time since then when we have been so close to a dangerous breakout of war in which the two sides could i think go after each other. robert compared this to the cuban missile crisis. the cuban missile crisis in slow motion. that is gripping phrase. there are big differences. the cuban missile crisis was a threat to the united states. this is not. this is also much more complex than the cuban missile crisis. we went mono e mono with the russians then. this time around, there are five nations with serious interests in the outcome of this. you have to conduct diplomacy among them. there are similarities. you have two leaders who are untested facing each other. president kennedy deeply believed after history of world war i the biggest danger was miscalculation. that danger is here. president kennedy understood the
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best way to resolve this was to bring a show of force but to combine it with creative diplomacy. that's what really at the end of the day saves the situation. we didn't go -- we went eyeball to eyeball and the other side blinked. it was really a critical show of presidential leadership. one of the most critical in all of american history the way president kennedy combined the threat of force but also created diplomacy. he never abandoned that pursuit the whole way. >> robert, you did talk about this as the cuban missile crisis in slow motion. explain how you see it. >> well, this is a cuban missile crisis in slow motion. it's not taking place in 13 days. but in the next several years, north korea could attain the capability to strike the u.s. homeland with a miniaturized nuclear weapon on a multi-stage ballistic missile. this would be a game changer. this new threat requires us to pivot to serious diplomacy.
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we essentially have three options in dealing with north korea. we can negotiate, bomb or acquiesce. we can't bomb because it carries the catastrophic risk of escalating into a second korean war. when we won't negotiate, we end up aqueousing. my argue is we should pivot to serious diplomacy to bend the curve so that north korea by 2020 does not have a nuclear arsenal approaching one half the size of great britain's. i couldn't have imagined a north korean arsenal that size. $50 billion, that's about the size of the economy of dayton, ohio. north korea is a failed state with nuclear weapons. >> ambassador hill, yesterday you said president trump is trying to out north korea the koreans. how is that going? >> he certainly tried to play with them. it's a game they enjoy playing. the question is, are they going to call him on this? the concern is, of course, when you send a carrier battle group
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into the area, you risk the possibility of the north koreans just going ahead with some kind of test. what are we going to do? the key ally there is south korea. they're the ones with 20 million people within range of north korean artillery. anything we do in the area of war really would have to involve the south koreans. they are not up for that right now. i think overall, the administration has done the right thing. they have sent the vice-president to south korea. they have also continued to have i think very close contact with the chinese. i think the issue -- for me the analogy with cuban missile crisis has to do with making calculations and with the possibility of preemption. i don't think preemption is something we can do especially when we're talking about an ally there. >> david, every administration
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has pointed to the chinese as a key player in the region with actual influence over north korea and wanted them to do more. this administration wants to. they say they have seen signs on coal and other things. china does not have an inherent interest in a north korean regime which collapses or goes away and a unified korea that is an ally of the u.s. that would change the balance of power in the region. >> absolutely. but what china is try doing is a fine balancing. they don't want to see the regime toppled, have chaos on the border, have people pour into china. that would be -- that would be a catastrophe on the peninsula. at the same time, the chinese certainly don't want a fight to go on because that could be even more catastrophic as both -- as christopher hill just pointed out. i think china is going to try to sort of do it balanced. it seems to me the administration has moved now in the last 48 hours to put more
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emphasis on we want to settle this short of war. we want to do it -- we want to be aggressively pursuing a peaceful outcome. increasingly expressing some sense that they will give the chinese a little more time to get there. but i think they're pinning a lot of hopes right now on china helping to pull this off. >> robert, you talked about intense diplomacy. is china critical in that? >> absolutely. a north korean breakout would be a game changer for the united states. but it would also be a game changer for china because of the strategic implications of it. south korea and japan might reassess their non-nuclear status. the united states would bolster the region. this creates political occasion for a reset. how we think about north korea. what i have argued for -- i called for a pivot to serious diplomacy. the focus should be the negotiation of a freeze, locking in north korean capabilities where they are now. for north korea, the regime would remain in power but they would retain a minimum
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deterrent. china would maintain their buffer state but avert the adverse strategic consequences i referred to. for the united states, it would be an agreement towards long-term denuclearization. >> we will watch very closely. the white house facing new questions about transparency. robert godwin's remarkable family. the man shot to death just yesterday over the weekend on easter. there's a manhunt for his killer. as the manhunt continues, his family is speaking out. their extraordinary message ahead. (de♪p breath) (phone ringing) they'll call back. no one knows your ford better than ford and ford service.
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on the night before americans have to come clean with the government about their finances, the white house is under fire for not coming clean with the voters on a number of things including the president's taxes. before we go further, we should say that there's no law mandating either of those things. however, in withholding, no pun intended, the administration is reversing precedent. some of it recent, some of going back decades. today, reporters called them on it. >> why does the president object to people knowing who is coming in white house? >> it's not a question of objecting. it's about following the law. we're following the law as both the presidential records act and the federal records act prescribe it. >> why didn't he take this opportunity to one up the transparency game? >> because i think i'm trying to explain that to you.
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i think that we recognize there's a privacy aspect to allowing citizens to express their views. that's why we maintain the same policy that every other administration did coming up here. >> keeping him honest, here is what sean spicer said about transparency during transition. >> conflict of interest arise when you are not -- when you are sneaky about it, when you are shady. >> they just exist. >> if you tell everyone here is what's going on, here is the process, here are the people playing a role, that's being transparent. what we have seen in government for so often is that people have been shady about their role, hidden things, not released things. at some point the level of transparency has exceeded any modern president. >> that's a bold claim. the question now is has the administration lived up to it. more from jeff zeleny. how are they explaining them? >> reporter: they are relying on something they do a lot, they blame the obama administration
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and switch focus to that. sean spicer was saying, the obama administration was not that transparent. he called it faux transparency. he said they would have secret meetings and they would not include everyone on the visitor log. at the end of the day administration, the obama administration, there were 6 million individual visitor logs released. it's true after covering the obama white house as well, not every meet, not every visitor was on that visitor log. but there were a lot of them. in fact, thousands and indeed up to millions of them. the administration here sean spicer is saying the obama administration were only acting transparent. they weren't really being trance parent. on the tax returns, the tax release that was so interesting because he said, the president was not releasing his tax returns. he is under audit. again, of course, tomorrow is tax day. it's unclear how he would know
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if the president is under audit for 2016. that's their answer to that as well. >> has this administration made any changes that increase transparency, done anything to back up spicer's claim during the transition this will be most transparent presidency? >> reporter: i think in a couple respects they do list more meetings that this president has on his schedule. we know who he is meeting with during the day, dinner with some evenings. we don't know anything about his weekend schedule. as we know, he has a weekend working schedule at mar-a-lago or the other golf course. overall, in terms of i think more tranceparence i am hard-pressed to think of more ways overall that this president is more transparent. perhaps on social media because he sends out things himself. i don't think that's quite an apple to apple comparison. in terms sean spicer backing up if they are more transparent, i don't think that's true. >> jeff zeleny, thanks. no problem releasing the names of panel members. ryan, anthony, matt and keirsten powers.
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anthony, for somebody who is a supporter of the white house, donald trump very effectively talked about draining the swamp. isn't figuring out who is visiting the swamp part of that? >> el, i see it a little differently. i think what the president is trying to say even with his north korea policy is that he wants to be less predictable. he doesn't want to signal too many different things. i think if you are going to be a deal cutter which the president obviously is, he wants to bring in many different faces and many different voices into the white house. i think one of the big risks he has is let's say he brings in a staunch democratic to help him cut a healthcare deal or with tax reform. he doesn't want egg on the face of that democrat because of the extreme partisanship going on in washington. i think it's a combination of different things. my guess is they are going to be more transparent than they are saying right now. as he is trying to cut deals and try to get his legislative agenda in place, he wants to
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offer protective anonymity to some of the people that he is meeting. >> ryan, that's one way to look at it. >> the law does not require the public release of these people. i believe it's under executive privilege the white house is allowed to block the stuff from being released. the obama administration did it voluntarily after they were taken to court. that's being rolled back. that voluntary release. there are two things that intersect. the executive order that the president put through in january that changed a very important ethics rule that obama had in place. the obama rule required anyone, any lobbyist to not be allowed to work for an agency had lobbied in the prior two years. that's no longer the case. you have lobbyists who can get a job working in the same agency that they lobbied over last two years. you have the lobbyists making it easier to come in and work in the government. then with banning the release of the logs, you are preventing the public from knowing the lobbyists coming in and lobbying this new group. for example, the "new york
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times" reported there's a woman at the national economic council who for the last few years has worked at fidelity, working on retirement issues. the person that comes in to lobby her, we won't know who that is because they won't release the logs. >> is that draining the swamp? >> as a journalist, i want more transparency. i want more information. if i'm working at the white house, i probably would say let's maybe keep things quiet. it could jeopardize cutting a deal with a democrat, people who know that donald trump is toxic, at least to the left, to that base. to ultimately what it comes down to me is -- we care about process here a lot. i think the public is going to care about results. the people in western maryland, west virginia, pennsylvania, my relatives, if donald trump gets north korea under control, if he gets syria under control, the economy running again, i don't
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think they're worried about whether or not the visitor log is kept -- is put on a website. >> but it was -- i thought the drain the wamp thing was one of the most effective and powerful things. i remember corey lewandowski was like, you will hear more of that because it really is something that does resonate with people. >> look, the obama administration -- they got criticized for this. they did say they would not release names of particularly sensitive meetings. that would be the way of getting around what you are talking about where you don't -- a lobbyist meeting is not sensitive. something like if you are interesting viewing supreme court justices, that's sensitive. you can hide that. what's strange is sean spicer is saying, criticizing the obama administration who did more than they did. doing more than the trump administration. he is sort of suggesting that an imperfect system under the obama
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administration is better than no release. that doesn't make sense. >> the names were released every few months. i think that is a good point. i think politicians should have space to negotiate. they were on a time release under the obama administration, three to four months, that's when the name was released. >> on taxes, again, president of the united states does not have to release his taxes. it has been the tradition i think of every president since nixon. the white house today said -- was asked by john carl why don't you just say you are never going to release them and be done with it? sean spicer said, i have to get back to you. do you think that's going to happen? >> i think it's in the same vein. the president likes to leave all of his options open. if it's in his interests to release the tax returns, he will. i think he has proven it was in his best interest not to release the tax returns.
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i sat in on more than one strategy meeting related to the tax returns. i worked for governor romney in 2012 when in september he released his returns and there was a whole swarm of journalists that got on his returns and started beating up on him unnecessarily. i think the president as a candidate was a phenomenal strategist by not doing that. if there was something illegal in the tax returns, there's enough irs agents in the united states pouring over the returns that we would have heard about it by now. we also -- when they came out in 2005 or one earlier than that during the campaign, what are we learning about the president? he makes a tremendous amount of money. he built an incredible brand. he pays a tremendous amount of taxes, anderson. so i think the american people have litigated the issue even though people -- >> the irs isn't going to tell us if something unethical is going on. are you saying we're dependent on some irs person illegally leaking information, that's how we're supposed to get the information? >> they would get an enforcement agent involved.
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they would bring a legal action against the president. >> not illegal but for an understanding of who did the president have loans to, russian banks, have they loaned the president money in the past? things like that. i guess those are issues -- i get politically why he wouldn't want do it. who wants to be as transparent as that? but -- >> it's interesting, you sounds like you were in a strategy meeting where this was discussed. the politics is what won the day. >> think it's more than that. the president made a decision as a candidate, wasn't just necessarily the politics. it was like, here are all the big issues going on in the world. this could be a major distraction. he had a tweet on twitter where the tax return went up to the ceiling. look how ridiculous this return is. we have to get massive tax reform in the united states. my guess is if he get tax reform, maybe he will release the old 4 million page returns. i don't know the answer to the question. i think he wants to leave that
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opttion option alty out there. >> it wasn't just -- it wasn't just about the audit that prevented the campaign from releasing his tax returns? >> i think the president wants to maintain that position it was related to the audit because, again -- i literally -- i heard him say this on the campaign trail. i heard him say it in front of an open mic. he didn't want 500 people looking at it, questioning every single thing in the return and having that be cannon fire or powder for the auditors. for me, you have to remember why he got elected. he is a phenomenal business person and a great deal cutter. it turns out that he is a fairly nifty political strategist. his decision not to let out the returns i think was a good one. >> we should point out on the audit thing -- i'm a broken record on this. his attorneys did release a letter saying that his returns prior to 2003 or 2004 are not under audit. >> look, i mean, it's obvious that donald trump is guilty of rank hypocrisy. that he says things -- >> you don't like him?
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>> he says things that aren't true. i think he is a smart politician. i think you actually have a very good point. if he put out his tax returns, let's assume there's nothing nefarious, he is not hiding anything that could be russian ties or something like that. you never know where that might go. the press could have focused on that a lot and the election might have turned out differently. i think it was probably a smart strategic move. obviously, if you are a journalist, you want more transparency. i think we should change the law. there should be a law. if you are going to run for president, the highest office in this land, then you should be required to disclose your taxes. but that's not the law. >> final thought? >> i guess we keep talking about the campaign. the campaign is over. why can't he release them? this isn't about strategy anymore. other presidents have released this information and haven't gone up in flames. why is donald trump going to? >> a distraction. the search is on for the
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the manhunt is on for the suspect in the murder of robert godwin. who was walking home from easter dinner with his family in cleveland when he was shot by a stranger. the killer posted video on facebook. i spoke with godwin's family earlier tonight. here was some of the conversation. i wasn't going to ask you this. since you brought this person up -- i'm not going to use this person's name in front of you. if this person is out there and they're listening, what do you want them to know? obviously, you want them to turn themselves in, but what would you say to them? >> i would say, turn yourself in. that would be number one. i mean, because although i do believe in forgiveness, i do believe in the law. meaning, when you break the law, there's a penalty for breaking the law. this man broke the law by taking my father's life. so although i forgive him, there is still a penalty that he must pay for what he did to my dad. so i would want him to turn
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himself in. and you know what? i believe that god would give me the grace to even embrace this man and to hug him without anything i truly do. it's just -- it's just the way my heart is. it's the right thing to do. i just want him to know that even in his worst state that he is loved. by god. that god loves him even in the bad stuff that he did to my dad. he is still loved. he has some worthwhile, even though he's going to have to go through many things to get better, there's worth in him and as long as there's life in him, there's hope for him, too. i do believe that. >> his family wanted him to be remembered, their father remembered for the loving dad he was, not by the video of his death that stayed on facebook
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for hours before it was taken down by the company. it's not the first time facebook has been the scene of a crime. >> reporter: a shocking crime that happened just after this moment on live television. a gunman shoots this reporter and her cameraman during their morning news broadcast in august of 2015. the gunman caught briefly during the attack. >> it's my very sad duty to report they died this morning shortly after 6:45 when the shots rang out. >> reporter: the gunman also filmed the murder. he tweeted while fleeing the scene posting, i filmed the shooting, see facebook. he then posted two short videos of the shooting on twitter and facebook. the shooter killed himself before police were able to apprehend him. in 2013, a florida man shot his wife multiple times during an argument at their south miami home. he then posted a picture of her
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bloody body on his facebook page along with this confession. i'm going to prison or death sentence for killing my wife, he wrote, love you guys, miss you guys, take care. facebook people, you will see me in the news. the image of her body shared thousands of times before facebook was alerted and took down the post. the killer was sentenced to life in prison. you foretold your future. you wrote on facebook that i am going to prison and that is where you will be going. >> reporter: some crimes are filmed and posted by onlookers. in 2012, a 16-year-old girl was sexually assaulted by two high school football players at a party in ohio. she was drunk or drugged and didn't remember much from the assault. cell phone pictures and video were taken by dozens of party goers, circulated online on twitter, instagram, youtube and over text messages. it was all collected as
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tonight, a new legal fight for president trump. tied to one of his campaign rallies. this one a little more than a year ago louisville, kentucky. >> get out. get out. you know, in the old days, which isn't so long ago, when we were -- >> the video of a 75-year-old veteran accused of assaulting a woman getting pushed. that veteran is now suing president trump alleging he lost his cool at the urging and inspiration of the president. the latest lawsuit tied to the rally. already three protesters including one you saw in that video are suing president trump
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as well claiming he urged supporters to assault them. the president's legal team disagrees. they are claiming he won immunity because he is president of the united states. reaction from two of our legal analysts. jeffrey, it's interesting, not only the protesters are suing but the guy who did the pushing saying he lost his cool because of the president. the president's legal team has a variety of defenses. one is that he has immunity and he was talking to security, not the people. >> let's start with the immunity argument. that's completely wrong. under the supreme court's decision in the paula jones case from 1995, we know that presidents are not immune from civil suits. however, i do think the president is very safe on the merits here. incitement barely exists at all as a tort. i mean it is almost impossible to prove. the first amendment protects virtually every kind of
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political speech. president bush or a candidate -- candidate trump did not tell anyone to hit anyone. he simply just talked generally. i don't think he has any vulnerability on the merits here, even if he could have behaved in a more gentlemanly way. >> laura, do you agree with jeff? >> actually, i disagree with what jeff has to say. it's true incitement can be hard to prove because you often don't have somebody who is the person who was the one to carry out the actual assault point the finger back at the person and say, this is the person who told me to do it and i was following it. the fact that he has incited violence is -- one, you had to try to compel a result. it had to be imminent. it had to happen shortly thereafter. context will be very important here. you had a series where violence was a theme at these campaign rallies. you have a president now president, then candidate, who will say i will pay for legal
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defense if there's a problem here. what he did was say, get them out. you remember, he did it in a coy way. he can't say to touch him. i can't say hurt him, et cetera because that would get me in trouble with the media, et cetera. you have this theory this person, this president, that then can't was actually trying to compel exactly what happened. i commend that young woman for i certainly commend the yang woman for having the composure to we able to with stand the abuse. >> and she i think has a lawsuit against the people who hit her. >> absolutely. >> that's very straightforward. there's no speech issue there. i think you have to listen to what candidate trump said. he didn't say hurt anyone. he didn't say assault anyone. he said in the old days it would have been different. sure, he was not urging restraint. he was not behaving in a way to calm the situation down. the first amendment protests people who say irresponsible things.
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>> laura, the president's lawyers say the statements were referring to the security team, not the individuals attending the rally. >> that is their theory. however, as it's portrayed and carried out here, he is pointing out the protesters throughout the speech. identifying them with gestures and commanding people to look in their direction. the security is not who removes them. the security is not ushering people out. he is jeering the crowd on do this thing. this is not just my thoughts. the person you saw in the video is actually saying the same thing. remember, the courts -- we believe in the first amendment and we want to honor it. the courts have said the excuse you are going to not be taken at your word and will look at our clues, with the travel ban, for example, your campaign statements, the words you make mean something. here, you have a candidate who was saying things like, kick them out, get them out and pointing to them ask cheering them onto effcht it.
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>> jeff, do you think this will go to trial? >> i don't think so. come on. the 75-year-old man, he says, i was forced to behave the way i did. come on. what about a little personal responsibility? he acted like a moron. but donald trump didn't tell him to do that. >> we have to leave it there. appreciate it. why president trump is tweeting about this man and making a call about him. what happens with him tomorrow in georgia could be a sign of how republicans and democrats are doing politically so far. we'll be right back. (deep breath) ♪ (phone ringing) they'll call back. no one knows your ford better than ford and ford service. right now, during the big tire event, get a $140 rebate by mail, on four select tires. ♪
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voters in georgia will cast ballots in a special election of to replace tom price in the state's eighth district. 18 candidates have been running and it seems to be a test of how republicans are fairing under the trump presidency. georgia is a red state, but it's a democrat, john oshoff, who is making the spotlight. trump tweeted, quote, the super liberal democrat in the georgia congressional race tomorrow wants to protect criminals, allow illegal immigration and raise taxes. to which oshoff responded,
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while i'm glad the president is interested in the race, he is misinformed. i'm focused on bringing fresh leadership, accountability and bipartisan problem solving to washington to cut wasteful spending and grow metro atlanta's economy. there's been a lot of attention on tomorrow's race. >> i'm always a little leary of election results, but they could be shifting an electoral landscape, anderson, and that's why tomorrow is important because it is a district where democrats, or hillary clinton specifically, did make inroads into republican turf last year. it is resistant to trump, so if, indeed, there is an anti-trump thing happening out there after the first 100 days outside of those deep blue cities where we see the protests, this is the kind of place it may be happening, and, therefore, it could indeed give us a sign of things to come. >> gloria, you look at the
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history of it, newt gingrich held it for 20 years, romney 23 and trump only by one. >> these are establishment republicans, and they're not the kind of republicans that are generally attracted to donald trump. so it's no surprise that the democrats really see an opening here, and you have a lot of infighting on the republican side. and these are the voters that donald trump would like to keep and that the democrats would like to get. and as david was saying, hillary clinton made some inroads here, but it would be considered a huge victory for the democrats if they could take back the district that newt gingrich had, that tom price had, and that mitt romney won by 23 points. >> david, even if the democrats get close, they'll probably try to spin it as a victory even if it's not an actual victory, and the fact that donald trump is tweeting about this tells you he at least in the white house is
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focused on the race. >> certainly focused on it. and republicans have been for quite some time. more than $14 million combined, democrat and republican ad dollars have been on the air, anderson. this is a race even if john osshoff falls short of the 50% mark and it goes to a june runoff. this is a race that's going to remain competitive. both parties are going to spend on it because of the nature and the democratic pickup. if you look at all the elections this spring, it is the one place the democrats think they have the best shot of trying to show some anti-trump movement electorally and, therefore, a shot in the arm enthusiasm fundraising follows. >> gloria? >> this is ossoff's best chance tomorrow. if he were to win over 50% and
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win it outright, that's it. but if he were in a runoff with karen handle, who is a pretty well known republican in the state. she's tried for statewide office twice. she's lost, but she's got name recognition. he's 30 years old, hasn't had any experience and republicans could then circle the wagons and decide they're not going to hand this seat over to a democrat. so i would say tomorrow is his best shot, and it's going to look a lot harder for him if it goes into a runoff with her. >> david, in terms of other races, i mean, there is a lot of folks, a lot of liberals, a lot of democrats around the country who will be watching this race as sort of a bellweather to see whether or not their chances might increase the next time around. >> actually, i think if, indeed, the democrats pull this upset victory and convert this seat into their column, what it will actually do, anderson, i think, is create a seismic event inside the republican party. you're right. liberals are looking at this, lots of money poured in on line
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for ossoff. but i think you'll see republicans will start wringing their hands publicly and a concern that donald trump is a real weight on them heading into next year's midterm elections. >> they're going to have to get their act together if they were to lose this, because there were lots of republicans who held their nose and voted for donald trump because they didn't like hillary clinton, and you'll have to see what happens in this district, because there are a lot of voters like that in this district. >> gloria borger, thank you. we'll be right back. ♪ if you have moderate to severe ulcerative colitis or crohn's, and your symptoms have left you with the same view, it may be time for a different perspective. if other treatments haven't worked well enough, ask your doctor about entyvio, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohn's. entyvio works by focusing right in the gi-tract to help control damaging inflammation and is clinically proven to begin helping many patients achieve both symptom relief as well as remission. infusion and serious allergic reactions
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that's it for us. thanks for watching. time to hand it over to don lemon. "cnn tonight" start right now. a nationwide manhunt under way for a cold-blooded killer. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. police nationwide and the fbi looking for this man. take a good look. 37-year-old steve stephens. they say he shot to death robert godwin, a father, a grandfather, and then posted video of the killing on facebook. godwin's family distraught. >> the man who videotaped my father getting shot stripped him of his dignity. stripped him of -- stripped him of his dignity and posted our
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