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minutes back up to road where i grew up. >> we will be watching what happens with you professional and personally. we are obviously very interested in this race. thank you very much for being on "new day." >> it's my pleasure. thank few your having me. >> tomorrow we will be speak with the republican candidate in georgia's sixth district. we're following a lot of news this morning, so let's get right to it. >> i think the people understand how successful the president has been and how much he's paid in taxes. >> why doesn't he release his tax returns? >> as far as i'm aware, the president says he's still under audit. >> this whole tax reform idea is going to go nowhere. >> north korea will do well not to test his resolve. >> when the president says america first, does that mean without our allies. >> we'll see what happens. i home there is going to be peace. >> we are going to make this
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individual's world very, very small. >> a cross country man hunt for a killer. >> all i want to see is him brought to justice. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> welcome to your "new day." we are talking about a lack of transparency this morning. the president's tax returns still not released to the american people and now neither are the white house visitor logs. also will not be released. that has trigger add brand-new lawsuit. >> remember, trump said he would release the taxes as soon as the audit was over. he attacked president obama, saying you should release the logs. it goes to transparency. now, how is this not hip krasy. >> let's begin with joe johns live at the white house.
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joe. >> reporter: good morning, chris. the biggest problem for this administration on this issue is objects. the picture this creates, especially since donald trump the candidate ran on issues of transparency. used it as a weapon. it also gives fuel to the critics who love to question whether this administration has something to hide. >> the president is never going to release his tax returns? >> we'll have to get back to you on that. >> reporter: the white house on the defensive, facing mounting criticism over the administration's lack of transparency. >> nothing has changed. >> scene spicer again citing routine audits to justify president puresident trump's refusal to release his tax
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returns. "the new york times" writing that democrats are uniting around a pledge not to cooperate on any rewriting of the tax code unless they know specifically how that provision would benefit the billionaire president and his family. a growing number of republican lawmakers also calling on the president to make his returns public. >> i think it would be a good gesture on his part to release them, like all other presidents have. >> some lawmakers are being shouted down at town halls over trump's taxes. >> as far as i'm aware, the president says he's still under audit. >> the president himself down playing the issue in the face of national protests this weekend. >> show us your taxes! >> tweeting i did what was an almost impossible thing to do for a republican, easily won the electoral college. now tax returns are being brought up again? the administration also facing scrutiny for refusing to
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disclose who's golfing with the president and for reversing a precedent of making white house visitor logs public. sa sean spicer suggesting that it would be harmful and unnecessary. adding that the obama white house redacted some visitor names while acknowledging the trump administration will not release any. >> frankly, the faux attempt the obama administration put out didn't serve anyone well. >> this policy change inconsistent with trump's past criticism of obama, who he labeled the least transparent president ever, tweeting vaguely in 2012, why does obama believe he shouldn't comply with record releases that his predecessors did of his own volition. hiding something? >> reporter: the president
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expected to visit kenosha, wisconsin. he will sign an executive order making changing to the visa program. the administration trying to make good on its promise to encourage the hiring of more american workers. >> thank you very much. let's bring in our panel. we have chris and april ryan and david drucer. you saw the tweet. he was all over obama ability. spicer's defense of it seemed to make the matter only more hypocritical. >> if the president doesn't want to release the visitor's logs, they should say they want to hold this information close to the vest. sure, the obama administration made moves to be mcmore trance important. it is not the kind of issue that will cause him political problems long-term.
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people want to know whether they can achieve tax reform. is there a good argument that they work for us and they should release this information? sure. >> what about trump saying they should be released himself? >> well look. there is a trump tweet for everything trump now opposes. so this is -- >> you don't think that has any lasting repercussions? >> i think it only has lasting repercussions if the president gets the bigger things wrong. not only did you create more jobs, but you're not telling me the whole truth here and you are hiding things and you're not trance important. not only did you not fix the problem in north korea or the middle east but you don't want to tell me what you're doing behind closed doors. that's where these things the end to be a problem. they are not problems right out of the gate. spicer just made it worse by trying to justify it with a ridiculous piece of spin.
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i admire it, but it was spin. >> they lean heavy and often on, but obama. with the russian propaganda, you can look it up online. but the numbers tell a different story in terms of the urgency here. poll after poll has well over a ma majority of americans saying they want him to release. it does seem to parallel -- i don't know how much of a kor relative it is. that's for you to decide. >> i think small things lead to big things. i think transparency is not frankly an issue that president trump is going to lose re-election on. but, yeah, i do think that it is a problem. at one point on that poll, on the 68% say they want him to
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release his taxes, i'm sure that number is right. we have seen a lot of numbers similar to that over time. the issue is if you ask people, is it something that would decide your vote for trump, lots of less people. yes, should there be less money in the political system, everybody says yes. is it something you vote on, a lot less people say yes. so the urgency on affects vote is not always there. and i'd say this isn't the issue that falls into that category. >> april, how do you see it? >> we have to find out if and particularly i guess georgia would be that piece to see if there is trump lash 89 days in and we haven't found the kryptonite yet. although, people are saying they want to see president trump's taxes. they want more transparency. is this really making a difference. it's do as i say, not as i do. and the question is is the american public really that
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upset about it? because they are reactionary people in this white house and all white houses have been that. but the question is will there be enough ground swell for there to be a push, even though his taxes are under audit or what have you, there could be some kind of revolution and the issue stems with the people. it all comes with the people. if they want it, if they are that upset, they might open up the taxes. >> can i add one thing? i would be stunned, stunned if at any point between now and the 2020 election president trump releases his taxes. i just -- they view it as something that if they didn't do it -- they took a risk in not doing it in 2016. it didn't hurt him. and, yes, people broadly will say, yes, we would like to see his taxes. there will be talk of conflicts of interest.
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rightly, so, but they have made a decision that whatever is in those taxes is potentially more damages or too private. he doesn't want it out there. i think at this point -- i mean, there was story after story after story during the campaign, least transparent candidate ever. he didn't do it in the face of that which makes me think now that he's president of the united states i would be stunned. i think we may be looking at the world's longest audit ever. >> i think the caveat might be who he runs against in 2020. he ran against an ethical cloud. so the argument could be they're both crooks and we're going to make the decision based on other factors. but if he is running against somebody who the public trusts who lays their entire life out there and it seems to have an impact, i could see trump saying here is four years of tax returns. here is where i gave money to
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charity and things of that nature to tamp this thing down. >> it is not just idol curiousty on the part of democrats. they are saying we don't know if a decision we make makes you richer. >> right. is there conflict of interest? what's going on in your life? tax reforms -- tax returns have a tendency to give you a little more of a broader scope into what's going on and a lot of democrats upset and quietly some republicans are wondering what's there, too. it is what is there? you have issues right now swirling about russia. you have issues about some of the other things and that could open up the door to see into who this president is. but, again, he was elected the 45th president of the united states without showing his taxes. he's already won that battle and he really does not at this point have to show unless there is such a ground swell from the people that or someone to force
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his hand. >> he didn't have the fbi, to our knowledge, he didn't have the fbi on his behind about what his conflicts may or may not be. is the answer we have heard from burr on the senate side they don't think they will look for the taxes but could the taxes find their way into the committee or some of this litigation out there and that winds up being the resolution? >> sure and congressional committees could demand them. i would remind people congress is controlled by republicans and i don't think priority number one or one through one hundred is ask the president for the tax returns he doesn't want to put out. we have seen a little bit. either in civil cases in which he had to show it or through leaks where we got an occasional look here or there. the last leak honestly wasn't that bad. he made more money than people
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thought he had. he paid a significant amount in taxes. if there isn't a smoking gun in there, if he didn't pay taxes, if he did pay taxes for the last 20 years, why not do it? >> because he doesn't want to be seen as losing. now he's made this proposition where if he shows, he loses. >> anything that makes him look less powerful he doesn't want to do. i'm not sure this is right, but he feels as though the election was a 100 voter confidence that the american people do not think about this. >> the president cares about the discussion at least. he's been tweeting about this. we have seen it is interesting what he's not tweeting about. north korean strategy, what is going on in syria. but specific to north korea, what is the right move for the u.s.? we have a lawmaker who served in the iraq war who is going to give us his take next. your insurance company
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president trump says he's keeping his plans for north korea close to the vest. he says he wants to be unpredictable. >> i don't want to telegraph what i'm doing or what i'm thinking. i'm not like other administrations where they say we're going to do this in four weeks. that doesn't work that way. we'll see what happens. i hope things work out well. i hope there is going to be peace. but they have been talking with this gentleman for a long time.
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>> in the interest of truth, the administration has done just that. we've seen multiple leaders talking about north korea and potential military action in a way we have not seen before. we're not hearing much from the president about specifics. that part is true. so let's discuss the state of play with scott taylor from virginia. also a former navy seal, served in the iraq war. let's deal with the policy. and then we'll get to the politics of it. the idea of what to do about north korea, what is your word of caution about how much rattling of the saber we should see from the white house, given how what vice president pence has said so far was met from the north korean response of we're going to test a missile every week. thermal nuclear war could be upon us. >> let me first say i applaud the president for engaging in
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multilateral talks with our allies. i'm not one to bluster and saber rattle and all those things. north korea has a history of doing that. they have been trying to do that most of the time trying to gain concessions from us. the last thing we want is war. the situation is tense over there. but i am encouraged by the white house, quite frankly, for engaging in these multilateral talks. something has to be done over there. they continue to take take finger and poke us in the eye and say we're not touching you. and continuing to do nuclear tests as well as trying to get intercontinental ballistic missiles that could touch other homeland. we don't want them shooting waters off the coast of california, of course. it is tense. and i applaud the multilateral talks to try to tamp down on the tensions. >> to the extent that's what's going on, how is it different, this new edict of maximum
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engagement from strategic patients? the white house was working china then, figure out how japan could work, trying to deal with iran's component of this as part of that extensive deal they did with their nuclear program. >> that's an excellent statement. i think some of the difference of course is as you see the potential for the military to be there, so the potential of force as well, too, is a new component with this. you know, when you have diplomacy, whether you're conducting diplomacy or un conventions or sanctions, whatever it is, sometimes you have to have at least the perception that you will back things up by force. so that's the new component here. you can see that that has brought china to the table, unlike ever before that we have seen. so, yes, this is situation is tense and the last thing we want is this to break out in war. of course we want peace, but it is important that our partners
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as well as china and others engage in this de-nuclearization. >> what are you seeing china do now it's never done before? >> they have stopped oil shipments as well, too. you have to understand that north korean trade is almost exclusively with china. they have said openly warning north korea and saying they are engaging with our president to try to tamp down pressures over there. so i think china has stepped up more than they ever have before. that is because of this white house. >> in terms of what we're seeing the president with his role here, it has really been the vice president and vehicle tear of state doing this. we have seen with the un ambassador. what does it mean to you about the role of our commander in chief that he seems to be second seat in syria and on north korea? >> well, i just don't see it like that.
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the president is very vocal. he's out there. he's engaging and talking about this thing. yes, he sent the vice president over there. but we're all on the same team and we all play a part, whether it is supporting or leading, whatever it is. like i think they have done a great job. >> right. although, we do know he isn't talking about it, though, in the way he talks about other things, right, congressman? if you look at his twitter feed, that's what he says he uses twitter for, he has not touched what he's doing in north korea or what it means. he talked a little bit about china. he didn't mention syria at all. how do you explain that? >> well, i think, you know, the president has been very clear. let me preface this by saying the executive branch should be coming to congress and speaking about syria, speaking about north korea. but, listen, i don't disagree
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with the president's strategy of not telegraphing our moves. i think that's a good thing. >> but there is a difference between testilegraphing moves. this idea of who's job is it to authorize military force, you know, you guys down there, you're new in congress, but congress has a long history of an doe kating its constitutional duty to the president. congress has not wanted to own things, and this is not changing. where is the debate on an aumf from 2001? >> well, let me say i don't run away from anything. >> that's true. you're a seal. you run at it. >> i've been very vocal about that, about congress having this debate. you have a third administration, 16-year-old authorization of use of military force. that is unacceptable.
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we have to have that debate. listen, i will say, i'm not opposed to telegraphing what we're going to do. but, yes, there has to be a debate in congress. the executive has to have some eighty to take actions if necessary if they believe there is a threat to our nation. but it is congress that authorizes that and it is time for us to have a debate. >> congressman scott taylor it is good to see you taking that position. we will stay on the story. appreciate you being on the show as always. >> thanks for having me. >> first we have some breaking news to tell people about. french officials say a terror attack was just foiled. we discuss the startling details and the timing next. you're not taking these. hey, hey, hey! you're not taking those. whoa, whoa! you're not taking that. come with me. you're not taking that.
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this is cnn breaking news. >> french police say they have foiled an imminent terror attack. this just days before sunday's presidential election there. authorities arresting two french nationals in marseilles.
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french news agency is reporting that police found guns and bomb making materials. let's discuss this with chris amanpour. >> it is very recent this news that has broken that dove tails with some of the fears around this highly charged election, the first round of which takes place on sunday. to that end, the anterior ministry already said that the french were going to deploy 50,000 more police around and about and particularly on election day and it's a two-part election on sunday the 23rd and the second round is on sunday the 7th of may. they will deploy tens of thousands of extra place to make sure that voting goes off peacefully and safely. it goes without saying everybody knows that france has faced very dramatic terror attacks from 2015 and 2016 so it is very
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difficult for them to keep all of this in a peaceful manner, which may wanted to given the polarization at the moment. >> she had her own incident where some woman came up to her, seeming to be more of a streaker situation than anything else. but obviously scary. also brings into focus something that's loomed large, which is what to do about the ongoing state of emergency. french culture like the american culture embracing individual liberty. they don't like the idea of a pla police state, but does what just happened make it more likely it will stay in place? >> yes, certainly for the next several months. that's already been announced and that is something people expect. but people are chaffing under
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it. but up until now they have used this to do the kinds of things, for instance like stopping the attack that the interior ministry talked about today. they are keen, as you can imagine, given the problems and given the heightened political intentions to ensure that nothing further disrupts what's going on on the continent and particularly in france as everybody watches this election for a trend on sunday. >> it will be interesting to see if president trump tweets about this. let's talk about north korea. obviously, they are saying extremely ominous things about what they say their next moves will be. how do you see it? >> well, you're right. the north korea rhetoric has been ratcheted up very, very strongly. yesterday a very rare signing of a north korea envoy who amongst many other things said that all
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of this and he basically blamed the united states as they always do for what he called provocative statements, provocative movers, moving their aircraft carrier towards the area. this has created a situation which makes, you know, thermal nuclear war is the word he used, much more likely. that is a very scary thing. then an official said to the bbc that north korea will continue to test his missiles he says weekly, monthly, yearly and that it would respond if there was a direct u.s. military attack. this kind of rhetoric is well known. we have seen it before when they get incredibly worried about what other countries are about to do. and of course it probably does worry north korea that china is becoming more concerned about reigning them in and doing things like threatening to hold
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oil shipments. japan had a visit from the vice president. so they're watching very, very closely what moves are happening. but paradoxically, former defense secretary william perry told me yesterday that this may be the moment to have a coercive diplomatic engagement to reign that in. >> the allies and now including china are responding favorably to the saber rattling by the united states, that they believe it has forced a different disposition from the allies. there is more confidence that now is the time that something could get done? >> well, i think there is that. i think people have come out certainly now and in response to having spoken to vice president pence saying that they're glad this era of so-called strategic patience, which was the obama doctrine, has been put aside by the trump administration.
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don't forget president obama twice sent in aircraft carriers into that region to deter the north koreans and it didn't actually work. the last time there was a real coercive use of a threat of nuclear force was under the clinton administration in the '90s. and that led to a negotiations with led to an actual agreement. and that was considered successful. yes, the north koreans were cheating around the edges but not in the kind of dramatic way that couldn't have been dealt with. but you remember the bush administration came in and ditched all of that and it was after that that north korea, you know, throughout the iea inspectors withdraw from the nuclear treaty. so there is an argument, should we negotiate or should we be much more, you know, militaristic and many people
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believe that coercive diplomatic maneuver is good. >> thank you for all the reporting on north korea, as well as the breaking news out of france. >> back here some of president trump's policies could cost one industry billions of dollars this year. what it means for you. that's ahead. kevin, meet your father.
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time now for the five things to know for your "new day." the trump white house on the defensive for lack of transparency. the president's spokesman saying he will not release any of his tax returns or white house visitor logs. >> and mike pence talking about the threat from north korea. he's glad north korea is hearing the trump administration's stern warning. >> president trump's advisors will meet today to see if they should remain part of the paris climate agreement. top advisors are split. >> there is a national search today for a man suspected of
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killing a 74-year-old man on easter and posting that. he is considered armed and dangerous. >> the u.s. supreme court rejecting arkansas's request to begin a series of eight executions last month. two other executions are scheduled for thursday night. >> for more on the five things to know go to cnn.com. >> that is according to a new travel forecast. cnn in the money center. alison, do we buy this? >> good morning to you. researchers are forecasting a huge drop in the number of visitors to the u.s. in part because of the president's travel restrictions. that could cause a big blow to the economy. one forecast shows a decline of 10.6 million travelers through the end of next year.
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that's a 7% drop according to tourism economics, which is a forecasting firm used by the travel industry. it's going to cost the u.s. economy more than $18 billion in last revenue. that is the forecast. now, researchers say even though the president's new travel and immigration policies will affect just a fraction after owl travelers it is the rhetoric that hurt the u.s. brand. but the strong u.s. dollar surged to its highest level in more than a decade and holding steady there. it makes other currencies worth less when travelers come. it makes spots like europe less expensive for u.s. travelers. >> thank you for that silver lining. president trump deciding against
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why is it the case that people at the very top should get a bunch of tax breaks, should be able to hide their business dealings when everybody else pays, everybody else gets out there and makes our roads and bridges work, makes our schools work? let's see what donald trump is up to. >> senator elizabeth warren calling for donald trump to release his taxes. if he doesn't democrat senators are coming together to say the president's hopes for tax returns could be dashed. ron brown steen, do you buy the political implication here that the democrats won't do tax reform if they don't see his taxes? >> i do, actually. tax reform is really hard. the last time we had a fundamental tax reform was 1986 under ronald reagan and it took
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years to do it. republicans a having a lot of trouble to get on the same page to begin with, even among themselves. they have different visions for how this should proceed and the question of how any plan would affect the president's bottom line provides democrats a good starting point to say let's keep our distance from all of this and make it only tougher for the republicans, which is exactly what happened in the health care reform and they could not resolve their own differences. so far it's been stalled. >> there you have it. they're going to be at an impasse in that case, which doesn't work for the american people. it may work for politicians because it doesn't look like president trump was inclined to release his tax returns. >> he hasn't shown he's under audit. >> he has a letter from his attorney that he relies on. >> but that's not from the irs. >> and the irs says we don't do that. so if president trump isn't
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going to do it and the democrats aren't going to work with imunless he does it, where does that leave us. >> through the reconciliation process, they can pass tax reform with a simple majority, so they in theory could do this without any democratic support. the problem is once you basically move in a direction that denies you any democratic votes, you give every faction in the republican caucus a veto over what happens. the moderates and the hard right conservatives and the same kind of dynamic is developing on tax reform. is it going to be revenue neutral or a tax cut at a time when the deficit is very large? is it going to avoid net tax cut? i think most people think that both of these things are unlikely to be true at this point and republicans are going to find the only way forward for them is to have a net tax cut
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that benefits the affluent. but that on a policy ground, leaving aside the tax return issue is something that will have little appeal to many democrats. >> you don't need to see trump's returns to know he is in the top 1%. some are criticizes saying this is already played out. he won. it's over. but listen to senator tom cotton in arkansas with voters. [ applause ] >> as far as i'm aware, the president says he's still under audit. the president -- the president -- the president is also right, this is not a secondary issue of the campaign. hillary clinton and her campaign
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repeatedly criticized -- as far as your points about his relationships over seas, i would make two replays. every candidate for office follows a financial disclosure statement. >> why the senator is defending trump on this level, that's his ownics pla nation. >> the polling has been very clear that the citizens want him to release his taxes. it is not unreasonable to see how the policies he is proposing would affect his bottom line. it is also not unreasonable that that was not the -- that the prime concern for voters in the election. i mean, it is the binary choice between two candidates. lots of factors go into that and to say i won. therefore, everything i pro pose is endorsed by the american
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people is just kind of a way over misreading what is in fact the way people make decisions. >> very quickly, ron, do you think that -- we have had so many guests on who say it is not going to affect his approval rating. people new who donald trump was and it is interesting to talk about transparency. but do you agree with that? >> i don't agree. his approval rating is significantly lower than any newly inaugurated president in history. that is rooted at this point more in doubts about his behavior, temperament and qualifications than his policies. >> ron, thank you. great to talk to you. >> thank you. >> for something lighter, the president and mrs. trump teaming up with the easter bunny and a bunch of kids for their first easter egg roll and the easter bunny stole the show. we will have all the mischief next.
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time for the good stuff. a stranger in ohio saves a family's life. take a look at this. see the car stuck in the flood.
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the couple is panicking. they open the door, which is mistake. a woman suddenly appears. >> collapsed the car seat, you know, the handle and punched out the window and gave him to this stranger. >> the woman carry it is baby to safety and then calls 911 and then goes back to help coleman and abbie, who are of course grateful. a compete stranger coming to their rescue. >> we thanked her. i gave her a hug and you just saved us, you know. >> they know who she is now. they know her name and they will never forget. >> do you know how hard it is to get a baby out of a car seat? >> she did the right thing. >> thousands of kids had a hopping good time at the president and mrs. trump's first white house easter egg roll. the easter bunny and his ears
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stole the show. at one point, the first lady had to give her husband a nudge. >> reporter: you'd think he was a head of state rather than just a head inside a bunny suit. >> the president of the united states and mrs. trump accompanied by the easter bunny. to think at times during the bush administration, the bunny was none other than current press secretary sawn spicer, who this year merely posed inside the bunny. snl's melissa mccarthy portrayed him briefly in his bunny seat. >> eat as much candy as you want because this is probably our last day on earth. >> asked what he thought -- >> i'm usually asleep by the time that comes on. >> the president needed a make up call. did you see the first lady nudge the president during the national anthem?
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♪ oh say, can you see. >> tweeted one viewer, is it just me or did he seem to have a problem finding his heart. >> the president whistled the start of several easter egg races. he signed hats and tossed them. this one retrieved by its owner, a girl writing cards to soldiers seemed thrilled to find herself next to the first lady who rewarded her with a hug. one audience member acted like a party animal. >> she's more boring than i am. >> at least she didn't try pulling the easter rabbits ears. ears of the bunny have a funny way of gets around. around the head of the gunnery sergeant who sang the national
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anthem, around the head of the president. wrap your head around this. cnn new york. >> she has quite the eye. >> that is great. >> and it was nice of me lan yeah. spouse points there. >> a little nudge. sometimes i have to do that to you during the show. time for cnn news room. >> i feel you. >> everyone needs a wing man. all right, guys. lots of news. let's get right to it. a man hunt goes nationwide. the fbi joins the search. new details this morning from investigators. georgia on his mind and his twitter feed. it is election day in america, at least part of it. the president goes all in in a congressional race that could tell us everything about where this presidency is headed. >> and a cnn

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