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problem. the cable news king who seemed untouchable is off the air for good. >> bill o'reilly is not going to be recorded favor bring ably in history. >> if you make too much trouble, your career is in trouble. >> you are watching american culture. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> it is fair to say as of this morning, the face of cable news has changed. >> big change at fox news. the question is now what is next. we are covering the o'reilly story. >> more developments this morning. >> absolutely. good morning. welcome to "new day." we begin with the trump administration tangling with another dangerous adversary and leading the way with tough talk. secretary of state rex tillerson warning iran could be heading down the same nuclear path as north korea. america's top diplomat calling for a comprehensive review of the iran nuclear deal. >> with so many questions
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surrounding the president's foreign policy, critics are questioning why the white house is poking another bear. that's with worsening tensions with north korea and syria and russia. let's begin our coverage with joe johns live at the white house. good morning, joe. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. the administration says it is reviewing the iran nuclear deal, but so far they appear to be playing by the rules. there is skepticism. the latest example of the administration seemingly going backward and forward at the same time on a foreign policy issue where the president railed against the deal during the campaign. now that he is in the white house, it is complicated. >> the jcpoa fails the objective of the non nuclear iran. >> reporter: secretary of state rex tillerson declaring the iranian nuclear deal a failure. one day after the state
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department said the opposite. affirming in a statement that iran has been compliant with the commitments to the deal. despite the compliance, tillerson ratcheting up the rhetoric against tehran. >> unchecked tehran has the potential to travel along the same path as north korea. >> reporter: stopping short against threatening additional sanctions or dismantle the agreement. one of donald trump's campaign promises. >> my number one priority is to dismantle the disastrous deal with iran. >> reporter: tillerson's attempt to clarify the administration position is the latest in the string of mixed messages on foreign policy. earlier this week, donald trump called the turkish president to congratulate him on the referendum that strengthened his rule. hours after the state department noted reports of irregularity in the vote. the white house struggling to
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get the story straight why the administration said in april that an aircraft carrier was racing toward the korean peninsula in response to north korea's provocation. >> we are sending an armada. very powerful. >> reporter: when in reality, the fleet was headed in the opposite direction. >> the president said we have an armada going toward the peninsula. that is a fact. it is happening. the statement that was put out was the "carl vinson" group is heading there. >> it is heading there now. it wasn't headed there last week. >> that's not what we ever said. >> reporter: house speaker paul ryan rallying nato allies amongst escalating tensions with another international power. russia. >> russia interfered in our elections and they are interfering in elections in europe as we speak. >> reporter: as the top democrat on the house intelligence committee says the russia investigation is back on track. >> i think we're very close to
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agreement on the initial witness list and process going forward. >> reporter: the president is expected to play host to the italian prime minister here at the white house today in advance of the g7 summit to be held late next month. we expect to see both leaders in the news conference this afternoon. chris and alisyn. >> joe, thank you for that reporting. let's discuss with the panel. let's bring in david gregory. we have chris cillizza and former state department official ambassador nicholas burns. great to have all of you. david gregory, why would secretary tillerson say iran is complying with the deal. that's good news. and you want to encourage that and then turn around and ramp up the rhetoric about iran? >> i don't know the turn around. 24 hours ago, i was struck bit fact that the state department was certifying compliance by
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iran. no other way around that if you look at the facts of the compliance. noting it was significant because candidate trump said he would tear up the agreement and start anew. it is clear the administration doesn't want to do that. this could be a feign. it may be a way to provoke iran with an undetermined outcome. what i think we see in a lot of the instances with the trump white house is instinct for aggressiveness, but still practicigmatism underneath and question mark about the overall strategy and how these strategic points connect. that is why we have to stand by and wait to see how it plays out. >> ambassador, we keep hearing the white house is not about strategy, but tactics.
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i saw a satiris, it ist say why to. >> i think one of the problems we're seeing here, chris, is the president has not set out a coherent set of objectives. what he wants to do in foreign policy. if the president is not communicating that in the government, you have con fwugs the state and department of defense. including the flotilla can be an contribut attributed to that. the iranian deal is going forward. if we walk out, britain, france and germany would walk out with us. the deal would fall apart because they left. we get freedom of restrictions that frees the program over ten years. the problem is not the nuclear deal. the issue is the behavior in the
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ir iraq, syria and lebanon. the secretary of state was too tough in his talk yesterday because it sends a signal we will pull out of the iran nuclear deal and we will not do that. >> chris, do we have reporting from the white house that explain what is goes on inside the walls after secretary tillerson says iran is complying with the deal. does he go back and hcalled on the carpet? >> alisyn, not really. the problem we have as reporters for the trump white house is it is never clear who is the person that donald trump is listening to. the reason for that is because he listens to different people at different times. the sun rises and sets around different people. steve bannon, jared kushner, reince priebus and kellyanne conway have not been terribly visible of late. how much h.r. mcmaster is
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listened to. that is the difficult thing. trump for all of his consumption of cable television. all of this consumption of media. is in some way a sphynx for us. i also think even if we identify it is this one person that he listened to. he changes his mind a lot. i think that's one of the definitional pieces of the first almost 100 days. he says one thing and something else happens. you can maybe that's strategy. maybe he just wakes up every day and what occurs to him is what he says. as the ambassador points out, that can work in the context of a campaign. it works less well when you are trying to run a government. >> it is important to remember these threats and crises tend to develop over time. as nick would tell you working
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for president bush, missile t t tests that became a mushrooming issue with china or iran nuclear program developing at that time and terrorism in iraq. you confront all of these things in the same time and you have a new administration looking anew at the problems. engaging anew. they never intended to engage in syria. look where we are. as a result, engaging with russia in ways that president trump is still not on board with yet. that makes it harder to figure out where the power center is and what is driving a particular policy. >> mr. editor at large, maggie haberman said we see here a clear decision not to clarify. that is a beautiful example of her genius. and that is in terms of the messaging. sean spicer cannot feel confident he has done anything to advance the cause of the
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president by saying what he said about the armada. we never said when. everything about the context was about i mmenence. what is the impact of spicer once again twisting up an explanation of a mistake? >> chris, typically the white house press secretary has two bosses. one is the president. the other is channelled through the media. in this white house, i think sean has and donald trump had made clear to sean he has one boss. it's donald trump. look, reality of the situation, you play the clip. what donald trump is trying to do in that interview with maria bartolromo. that won't happen. i sent an armada there to send a
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message. i don't think he was talking about time in the universe or time is a flat circle sense. we're all going to do something, you know, in that way. it was meant to be urgent. it wasn't. the idea that there was no mistruth there is wrong. >> on that metaphysical note, thank you, gentlemen, for all of the insight. now we need to get to the other top story. the bombshell that will change the face of cable news. fox news host bill o'reilly has been fired as more accusers come forward accusing him of sexual harassment and many of his show's advertisers had pulled their support. cnn's senior media correspondent brian stelter is here with the latest. >> this has ramifications even for president trump and corporate america and fox and rivals. if anyone was invincible in cable news, it was bill o'reilly. turns out he is not too big to
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fire. the two-decade reign at fox news coming to abrupt end. >> the biggest star in the history of fox news is leaving in the wake of mouniting allegations of sexual misconduct. >> the show canceled over the allegations from women associated with the network. removing his name from the show. rupert murdoch and his sons announcing the decision on wednesday. writing after a thorough and review of the allegations, the company and bill o'reilly agreed that o'reilly will not return to the fox news channel. this decision follows extensive review done in collaboration with outside counsel. o'reilly has been on vacation for a week overseas dismissed the accusations in a statement. it is tremendously disheartening we part ways to unfounded claims. that is the unfortunate reality many of us in the public eye live with today.
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that is in sharp contrast that o'reilly and fox paid out $13 million in settlements to women who lodged has arrestment claims against o'reilly. >> this is a disgusting human being. these women stood up for their rights and driven out of fox news and driven out of the television industry. >> reporter: it was months ago where roger ailes was ousted by fox news. and president trump stood by ailes. two weeks ago, trump defended o'reilly. >> he is a good person. i think he shouldn't have settled. personally, i don't think he should have settled. i don't think bill would do anything wrong. >> reporter: critics wondering if this firing goes far enough in addressing what they see as a systemic problem at the network.
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>> let me say this. rich persons with rich men won't be able to buy their way out of the criminal activity. they will go to jail and they should go to jail. >> this is not the end of the crisis at fox. the middle. the story is about the power of the pocketbook. look at the advertisers that withdrew from the o'reilly fact factor. there were business interests at stake here and money talked. alisyn, chris. >> brian, thank you very much. we will cover the implications of o'reilly's abrupt downfall. up next, what would happen when an employee complained about o'reilly? remember, this is not supposed to be just about money and big moves at the top. this is supposed to be a culture and making it better. we have a former fox news political commentator sharing her story next. ♪
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so one of our cnn political analysts is sharing her story
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about her dealing with bill o'reilly during her time at fox news. this started with this on air exchange with o'reilly and current cnn contributor margaret hoover and kristen powers. >> trust me on this, powers. hoover. >> i'm hoover. >> he is chastising you. >> a lot of blonde s in the operati operation. i need sunglasses in here. >> it will be tough. ladies, thank you for your blondeness. >> powers took offense to the exchange and complained to management. here is what she told anderson cooper last night. >> i went to his executive producer and said he needs to apologize and needs to never do that again or i'm not doing his show anymore. i was told, you know bill. he is a throwback. an archie bunker.
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if you mean he is an antagonist, i agree. i was told what can we do? it is bill. there is nothing we can do. we're sorry this happened. there is nothing we can do. i complained to roger ailes. i was told nothing we can do. it is bill. he's a jerk. nobody likes him. roger said bill, he likes to put up dirty pictures and ask pretty girls to talk about them. then he said, and what am i going to do? i don't like him, but he makes so much money, there is nothing i can do. >> who said that? >> roger ailes. this was the culture which was bill is too big and there was fog you could do about it. i did quit his show. this was an election year. the biggest show at fox. about three years later, i went back and said i'm willing to give it another try. he said sure. i came on the show. i never had another problem.
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we had a good relationship actually. it just spoke volume you s i ha handle it on my own and nobody was willing to say anything to him. you can't treat a political analyst this way. >> joining us now is margaret hoover. she used to appear regularly on o'reilly's show and just featured in that clip. joining us is editor at large chris cillizza and brian stelter. margaret, that exchange on the air where he said thank you for your blondeness. >> it was a moment that makes you feel you are a blonde back drop for o'reilly's opinions and not political analyst or as a person in their own right and experiences and opinions as contributing. that was frankly pretty common experience at fox news. for me with bill o'reilly, i continued to appear on his show
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for four years. i want to be clear. i was never sexually harassed by bill o'reilly explicitly. there were moments with him and i had to navigate a mine field to make sure i never was in an experience or situation where i felt vul nenerable. he would critique my lip gloss to the color of my eye lashes. he would say what is going on with your eyelashes. they are too long or the dress. the color. i had a dress for success. margaret, you need to dress better. there was a clear message of what was acceptable on air to what i said at fox news and what you wore at fox news. >> there you have it. you and i have talked about this in private. we may as well talk about it in public. we both worked there for a long
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time. neither of us were harassed with bill o'reilly. i had an issue with roger ailes. that wasn't the half of it. the real harassment was emotional harassment. roger could be a bully. he called people names. it was that feeling of to the wanting to ever run afoul of him which was the chilling effect. >> not just by him, but gossip culture that helped police what he wanted to see. he really was a bully and enforced it in a culture that was toxic and hard to say what you wanted to say and be authentic on the air there. >> people will listen to this conversation and unfortunately and really should not be the case in this particular instance. everything is politicized. o'reilly is a political animal. this will be reviewed left and right. i cannot think of a situation
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that deserves it less. that is how we are living. the question is this sexual harassment? no. i'm not saying that as a lawyer. >> it is harassment. >> it is a culture in place that is known that is somewhat fanned because people almost forced to laugh when he says these things. now you are removing ailes. you remove an o'reilly. does that remove that culture? >> it probably doesn't unless they remove a lot of the other people in place. i think there are people in place that are still there that sort of sanction this and look the other way. >> i don't know. >> you made complaints. they didn't go anywhere. >> that was kirsten powers. >> i want to talk about that. i think they wanted to help me. i met with sympathetic ears with management. i think they could not change roger. i think they were right. >> he was the king. >> there is nothing you can do when the king wants something a
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certain way. i think they felt for me, but i don't think they felt they could do anything. >> you have to note roger ailes was famous for saying he wanted blondes on the air. that was his message. bill o'reilly thought i can say it too. the boss is in my corner. >> you don't want to confuse what offends political correctness over what makes a margaret or alisyn that i have to take it. >> that is right. let's be clear. the king has been gone for nine months. there were people at fox news that hoped things would change after he left. they not change. now bill o'reilly is gone. that is great. i commend a new generation of leadership at fox news which had taken this step. i think they had to. many executives who knew about the behavior and complicit. >> still there. >> the culture and environment is the same. until that changes -- >> how do you know those people are still there?
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>> all of the senior leadership are the same. i'm not saying people are still being harassed. the culture is still there because the executives are still there. you and i know people still there. nothing's changed in the sense that the culture that perpetuated this behavior is still in place. >> this has impacts an across corporate america. because this story is so high profile and people are paying attention to what is going on. i think what fox doesn't and does do sends a message of what is acceptable or unacceptable in 2017. it is ashame we are having these conversations at this late date. we have seen a lot of change in the country with regards to treatment of women in the workplace. you are describing a really uncomfortable toxic environment from day-to-day inside fox news. >> that is a proxy for empowerment. how do they change their culture? that matters most. there will be other roots.
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cillizza, you have been writing about this. bill o'reilly is a huge figure, not just persona, but actor. when you look at his agency and promotion of donald trump. what does he mean for trump and what does it mean that trump is silent about the man he defended without any professing of knowledge of the facts over the harassment allegations? >> remember donald trump defended bill o'reilly after "the new york times" came out. it was clear at the time that donald trump didn't know details. it was a blanket. bill's a good guy. what does it mean broadly? roger ailes was the architect and bill o'reilly was the executer of a new way of thinking about conservativatisc. populist. anti-elite. anti-media. so much of what you hear from
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donald trump's rhetoric on the campaign trail and in the white house now is born of what roger ailes and bill o'reilly built from the mid 1990s on. they built a wing of the conservative movement that was open to a donald trump and i would say this is to margaret and alisyn's point. they built a wing of the party that the argument against political correctness, which is at the core right of o'reilly's appeal and remains at the core of fox's appeal to many people. the liberals tell you this. they made it okay. that bro culture that donald trump can go and grow up. any other candidate who withstands with the "access hollywood" tape and women are pigs. is out of the race. and yet, donald trump, i don't want to say he prospered from that, but it did not hurt him
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because there was a strain within the culture that had been built or at least fostered by roger ailes and bill o'reilly. it is just locker room talk. that is guy stuff. that made it acceptable. >> what does this mean to the extension of what should be not tolerated to president trump? this changed judgment of him in any way? does it create a different standard? >> you think it needs to. it should. it sounds like if fox news is changing, how can can trump not change? trump's attitude is and he criticized bill o'reilly. don't give in. never concede. >> don't settle. that makes it open season. >> i would love to see from all of this also is a resounding rallying from conservative media outlets that this behavior with women is not part of the conservative movement.
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resound renunciation. >> and what is the reality and what is wrong versus what is illegal or actionable? >> i don't read my twitter feed. i don't know. >> bill o'reilly fans are upset. angry at the liberal "new york times" trying to tear down. >> do they think fox caved? >> i see a lot less of that. i see more scapegoat and identifying o'reilly as the victim. chris, you are right. this is political. this has been politicized. o'reilly calls himself a culture warrior. this is another battle. >> this is not about -- it's turned into the battle over political correctness. it has nothing to do with it. you don't treat women that way. we should all agree on that. this is not about the media putting a frame on it. you don't act that way to women. my dad taught me that when i was 10 years old.
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>> beyond the sexual harassment. you were not just a woman at fox news. that was the culture. roger ruled with an iron fist. so men also were intimidated. men also were scared. it is different. i guess i prided myself on being able to navigate through it. that showed a strong spine and navigate through it. that turns out wasn't the answer. the answer was to tape him. that is what gretchen charlarls. >> she is the hero in the story. >> this is the beginning of the domino falling. >> everyone thanks gretchen carlson for doing what she did. that revealed what is going on at fox news. >> panel, we will speak about this throughout the program. thank you for sharing all of your stories. margaret, thank you. we have another inside look coming up. a new book that will take a look of hillary clinton's campaign.
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there is a new book that is taking an in depth look in hillary clinton's presidential campaign with riveting details of what led her loss to donald trump. the campaign saw trouble from the start. the staffers are criticizing the reporting. the book is called "shattered." inside the hillary clinton campaign. it was written by amy barnes. great to have you here. fascinating book. you went back and did the autopsy on what happened here. and beyond what james comey of the fbi did in the final weeks and beyond russia's interference. you found a lot of mistakes that the campaign and the candidate made. what are the headlines? >> i think one of the big things is a fight over her messaging all along between the candidate and her aides among the candidate and aides. one of her senior staffers said
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to us i would have had a reason for running or i wouldn't have run. they didn't believe there was a rationale driving her. >> they never fixed on a message. that was a problem. >> they got a slogan. stronger together. basically from the convention on. there was never something so clear and easy to accept for voters as what donald trump was offering which was nationalistic and anti-immigration. >> make america great again. >> it was clear. she was so many things. it is hard to tell what she would prioritize. >> whose fault was that, amy? >> we think a couple. obviously the candidate. she was the candidate. there was blame to go around the top aides. some people point to robby mook. he was focused on data and the detriment of polling. they didn't poll for the last
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three weeks of the campaign. >> because robby mook was so confident in their algorithm that he was crunching numbers and forgot to talk to the people? >> that was a criticism lobbed at him by bill clinton. president clinton was unhappy. he was on the ground talking to people. he was feeling a different thing than the analyst i analysts wer back. maybe i should go to this place. not quite. >> why go with robby mook. with all respect, over bill clinton? the titan of politics. >> the modern debate of data and science and art. bill clinton was the art of political persuasion. walking into a room where people disagreed with him. disarming them and pulling a few in his direction. robby mook comes from the generation of people focused on
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data. the efficiencies created by data . what they found was turn out people who supported her. and it was harder to do was persuade people who were not with her. they abandoned the techniques. a lot of the door knocking you do. there is room for art and science in politics. that is one of the big take aways from the book. not just looking back, but in future. you cannot just slice and dice elections. >> you cannot under estimate hillary clinton herself and what everybody says as a person and politici politician, i guess when she gets the job, she is more impressive than a candidate. you have this quote about how she didn't understand some things and this is in "shattered" page 145. i don't understand what is happening with the country. i can't get my arms around it. >> a rise of populism going on
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around her. she is confiding in a confidante. i can't grasp what's happening. she is opposing sanders in the prime minist primary and filling up arenas and in the general, she faces donald trump doing the same thing. she doesn't understand. >> did she think it would be a cake walk? >> i don't think so. i think she believed once she had a primary opponent in bernie sanders she would run hard. i don't think she expected him to be successful as she was. she did not look at it as a cake walk. this is somebody taking arrows in the public sphere for a quarter of a century. she knew it would be a tough time. she believed she would win. she was talking about governing with her aides. talking about what she would do in the white house. as she said to one of them in a moment of clarity.
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she said i know i bring out the worst in people. i don't know why that is. it is. the aide said to her, it will be tougher when you're in the white house. she said yeah, it is. >> she wasn't alone thinking she would win on election night. most of the country thought she would win. including we have reports from the trump campaign thought she would win. you guys had lots of sources. obviously, on the inside. now publicly, people involved in the campaign are saying this is not true. that they didn't say these things. this is not what really went wrong. what have you heard about the sort of blowback? >> there is a push back on twitter from campaign aides. we are aware of. that we didn't just talk to one or two. we have hundreds of interviews backing this up. people from the top of the campaign on down. this was their story. this is how they told it to us. we stand behind it.
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>> if i can make two quick points. they are not pushing back on specifics. they are blankly saying it wasn't this dysfunctional. the second piece of that is right after the campaign, we came out with a report that said that president obama pushed hillary clinton to concede. a week later, her campaign manager robby mook said publicly it wasn't true. he did not know about the concession call. that is a good example of lack of communication when the president calls the democratic nominee and tells her to concede and her campaign manager is unaware of the call. >> we have ten seconds left. what did they tell you they would do differently if they could have it all over? >> they would not have the e-mail server that hung as a cloud. >> amie and jonathan, thank you. >> thank you. chris. >> another big story. mystery surrounding aaron hernandez apparent suicide. wat his attorney is doing now
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after the 27-year-old's sudden death. a live report next. think again.
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new details coming to light about the sudden death of convicted murderer and former nfl star aaron hernandez.
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he was found dead in his prison cell. massachusetts authorities investigating what happened. so is his attorney. deborah feyerick has more. >> the reason this is investigated is this an an unattended death. by law, it has to be investigated. aaron hernandez went from the freedom of the courtroom where he was smiling with his fiancee and waving to his child back to the small cell in general population in a maximum security prison. there early yesterday, he hanged himself. he tied a bed sheet to his neck and the other to the cell window and dropped down. this was five days after what you are witnessing there. five days after being found not guilty of double murder. he pushed objects against the door, presumably buying extra moments from guards who tried to make their way in. he died within an hour of this. there were reports he written a bible verse of john 3:16.
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i spoke to a law enforcement who said that is commonly found among inmates. we don't know if that was left as a potential suicide note. we know autopsy has been performed. we will see if he had drugs in his system. because this is an unattended death. there is a mandatory investigation. jose baez is his lawyer. he is not sure because hernandez was not in that frame of mind. he is launching an investigation. aaron hernandez could not give up the street life. we are watching the investigation to see what comes
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out of it. they are looking very carefully as to the events may have been that caused this. >> deb, i appreciate it. let us know of developments. president trump says the health care deal is coming soon. maybe as early as next week. will democrats work with him? we ask a key democratic congress member next. ♪ ♪
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president trump says a health care deal is coming soon. sources tell cnn the white house hopes to revive it before the hyundai mark. that means next week. by the way, congress is still in a recess. can a deal get done? let's ask a congressman from florida, a ranking member of the committee on ethics. great to have you on the show, first-time appearance. so going to get a deal done? >> it is hard to see how there is going to be a deal. if you look at -- chris, look at the way the last deal fell apart. you took a program that's added coverage for tens of millions of americans and has finally provided some peace of mind to americans and try to replace it
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with a piece of legislation that drove up costs for everyone, that gutted medicaid, that had an age tax put in place. there is a reason that when you take away all of those things and you undermine a program that has been helpful to so many, there is a reason that only 17% of american people think it is a good idea. if the goal is to take that bad piece of trump care and make it worse, then all you are going to see is those numbers thank even more. no, i don't think so. >> as a political reality, is anyone from the right reaching out to the left. is there anyone you know of to do anything different than what we've seen so far? >> in fact, to the contrary. there are a lot of my moderate republican friends who were very concerned about the direction the debate went the last time and now they're looking at this wondering why it is we're bringing something back that is
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so unpopular that would cost more than 20 million americans the coverage they have. >> the president seems to be suggesting there is an ongoing negotiating, a massaging from ses. you know nothing of any of it. >> i think it is impossible to know what the president is talking about when he says it's getting better. the only thing getting better in this discussion of health care is the realization that the american people have as expressed at the town hall meetings that they don't like this and they want us to actually work on issues where we could come together and advance the american people's interests. >> as far as you know republican leadership hasn't reached out to democratic leadership to try to do something different? there is no new bill making the rounds? >> the only discussions we have heard about are discussions that have taken place between the administration and the freedom caucus and the freedom caucus wants to strip away all of the safe guards put in place.
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they want to do away with essential health benefits. that's never going to fly. not with congress and not with the american people. >> you flagged what was said by rex tillerson in iran. they seem to be following the deal to we're going to review the deal. we think they're the next north korea. you see it as a metaphor why? >> well, the foreign policy and diplomatic efforts of this white house are so muddled and confused and this is a question of american leadership and when the state department puts out one statement and the secretary of state comes out and says something different, it's not that complicated. the state department certified it is working thus far. we should make the case we are going to lead the effort to vigorously enforce that deal even as we look at iran's
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destabilizing influence. but it is not just that, chris. the state department has been gutted more than half of our close to half of our embassies around the world. if the president has his way the budget will be cut by a third. this is what is so startling, the president hasn't made it a priority to bring on an assistant sec toir who focuses on diplomatic security safe. >> so they'll say they haven't staffed up. give them more time. on the iran deal, you hated the iran deal. >> you said starve iran. that is exactly what the trump white house is saying. are you choosing politics over policy here? >> of course not. the good policy here now that this deal is in place and the state department has certified that thus far it is working, the good policy is to lead our
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allies. remember, this is not just the united states. it is a multilateral deal. lead our allies and vigorously enforcing it so you can turn around and lead our allies. this is what the secretary should have done. he should have said we're going to be tough in enforcing it. but it doesn't deal with iran's support for terrorism or destabilizing influence throughout the region and we're going to target that bad behavior. they're not mutually exclusive. instead, there is this muddled approach. it is not just this issue, chris. look at the way the state department has dealt with turkey for the past few days. you have a statement from the state department expressing grave concerns with the way the election was conducted, the constitutional reform and then the president reaching out to con garage rationer dwyane. i we're going to lead, there has to be diplomacy and there is
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not. they're a nay know ally. >> let me ask you something else. ethics, you are the ranking member there on the committee about ethics. what do you make of the criticism that people knew who trump was and what he was about. the same goes for his kids. he wound up winning the election. it's been all smoke. there is no fire. leave him alone about the conflicts. >> it's interesting that you ask that question today when just yesterday, i think, todd rickets withdrew his name for consideration to be a deputy commerce secretary because he wanted to avoid the appearance of conflict. this president has gone well beyond appearance. it is true. people had some idea that the president was a businessman, but nobody expected when he took office he was going to continue that business. no one could have imagined. >> he says he has taken the necessary steps. you do not believe that. >> well, i don't believe it because it's not true.
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he said he was going to take the steps to divide his business from the people's business that he does as people of the united states, which is what's necessary. instead, just down in mar-a-lago in palm beach county he hosted a dinner for president g. and his daughter sat next to the president of china the same day that china approved a number of trademarks that will benefit her business, which is the family business. he has to once and more all put the business of the american people first as his sole priority and take the steps necessary to stop violating the constitution and the foreign payments clause and to avoid these conflicts. that's what the american people expe expect. >> thank you. all right. there are three big stories going on at the same time. let's get after it. >> the trump administration is currently conducting a comprehensive review of our iran

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