this is gps, global public square. welcome to you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. a british prime minister to smooth t path the brexit. >> and turks voted to give their president extraordinary powers, what to make of all of these votes. i have a great panel to discuss. also, liberal democracy is

in decline around the world what is behind this growing wave of ill liberal democracy. and digging deep into kreml kremlin. that's what luke harding did until he was thrown out. his inside story on what is really going on behind those walls. and steve bomber is worth billions. he is spending a few million to determine how the government spends its trillions, what happens when you put american government under a micro skroep skoep and examine it like a business. first, sheer my take. every american administration takes a while to settle into a base k approach to the world. president trump's team has had a

rockier start than most the administration's basic foreign policy is coming into view and it is not a reassuring site. contradictory voices and little coordination with allies. the approach is being tested on the most difficult foreign policy problem of all, north korea. there is a patterned approach so far. it begins with the repeated use of rhetoric that is not backed up my much. a military strike is close to impossible. south korea would oppose any such move since it would face the brunt of north korea's retaliation. remember, seoul is only 35 miles from the border. any military action would enrage

china. plus a bombing campaign would be ineffective since nuclear sites are scattered and in some cases under water. between the administration's bluster, mistake with the u.s. s. and that korea was once part of china south korea has been made uneasy. tough talk supplemented by aggressive military reflexes. whether it means using bigger bombs or sending ships into east asian borders these tactics can be useful if there is a strategy behind them. so far they look more like tactics in search of a strategy. it might that it will impress the adversary. all of the shock did not help when there was a faulty plan to secure the peace. more bombs? ear ya will not answer in how to

defeat isis without assad. the united states has had roughly the same strategy for decades. it is a pollty of pressure and ice lake. it has not worked. even during the clinton years was halfhearted with washington never fulfilling all of its promises to north korea. in any event it was quickly reversed by the george w. bush administration. the results have been clear. north korea continued to build its nuclear program. as isolations have increased it has only become more con franational. he wonders if it's time to try another approach. if the united states hopes to achieve he writes it should stop looking for ways to stifle and

undermine kim jong un's regime. we tend to view north korea as a weird country run by a looney dictator with bad hair. it is a regime that also wants to survive and has. i recall many similar arguments made about iran. we were told they could never be negotiated with. they would violate any agreement within weeks. so far all of these predictions have proved wrong. it might be worth trieg a new policy with income nchlnorth ko. for more go to cnn.com/fareed. let's get started.

the attack in france further escalated the french presidential election. when the votes are counted all moe most a dozen candidates who will compete in an early may runoff. we'll get to that in britain as well. last weekend's vote, what it all means, let's bring in the panel. bernard is a fill os f-- she is first female and joins us from london. and the political editor of the german newspaper. he joins us now. let me begin with you, bernard. what argument would you make of the french election and will

this terror attack improve the chances of lapenn? >> it is very difficult to speculate and make bets, but if you ask me i would say no. i don't think this terrorist attack will give so many votes. i continue to believe that she will be beaten in this election for many reasons. first of all she was obscene in her way to destroy and the death of this brave policeman. she was obscene. because of the last two years assault of terrible and tragic but real -- i would not say habit but they know that this can happen and that simple solution will certainly not be the way to get rid of terrorism.

people know that it is so absurd to prevent terrorism or we rat quit so i don't think it will improve her waters but not as much ssz she would. >> how do you see in in the german context? i'm struck that germany has a million refugees they have taken in. so far it has not been much in the way of a terrorist incident. were there to be one do you worry there could be the rise of a very powerful new right movement? there is a small party but it has been doing worse and worse in recent months. >> yes. we had a triferrorist attack in germany in berlin where a truck hit a christmas market and left 12 people dead.

the impact on the political stage was basically limited to those who would expect. we had a thorough investigation on the causes of this attack, who was to blame, why was the perpetrator not discovered before he was able to commit the attack? but of course the afd, the populist tries to categorize on this event. so maybe they are -- they haven't been impacted like the french. >> is it possible we are witnesses peak populism, by which i mean the pop list trend we have all seen, it may be -- you know, maybe this is the peak and it's going to decline? >> maybe. i wouldn't start saying anything about that until after the

second election. but even then i think the spiking thing, if you look at the french election is on beth left and rand. if you look at the people that are most like tloi maly to make the second round there is someone who didn't have a party. there is extreme right. these are all in different ways. the french people grasping for something different. there's a general ieized anger. i'm not sure it is so easily dispated. >> what do you make of these and a real socialist? >> what is through is that to be involved today in french politics and this electoral race this good brand is to be anti-system. the system is not so bad.

the system means democracy. the fact is that in all they have to run. you no way to breach anti system. what i would say, never the he, is that, again, i believe that i saw the great article recently saying that the mayor would be -- this would be the worst because they are sort of twins. they are fake twin bs but twins. my speculation is it would not be that at the end of the day. my belief is at the last minute france will recover its nose. first of all today this sunday and within two weeks.

we he is in a way anti system. he is young. he is stort of her french candidate. hold on. when we come back we will ask what to make of prime minister may's calms for a new election in britain. is it a sign of strength or weakness? what does it mean for europe when we come back. ♪

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decision? it's the first time in decade it is prime minister called such an early election. does she -- what's behind it? >> it was a complete surprise. she had said loudly and clearly she wasn't going to do it. technically there wasn't supposed to be one until 2020. clearly the decision is because she realized it is an extraordinarily good time. she currently has a very small jeert which means she is to her party. i think the calculus is she go to the country. it is in disarray and they are assuming a far bigger majority which meens she has not only a mandate for conducting in the way she wants, she has a mandate for all of the other things she wants to do.

the committeconomy is looking p good. she is never going to have a better moment to get a bigger majority than she has now. >> and part of it is the collapse of the left which has broadly happened across europe. in germany it does seem as though the social democrat candidate could give her a rmer run for her money. why? >> yeah. he ranked so high. hay lingered around 20% before and then they made it to 30, 35 and some times in some polls even topping merkel. it is because she could actually

be identified, the very thing people despise and very thing p populists capitalize on. >> he is more left wing than merkel. he is in favor of more social welfare. fascinating information. what about one particular endorsement? i was wondering, donald trump has -- he seems to suggest he likes it from time to time. he just said he thought the terror attacks would have a big impact implying again that they would help lapenn. does it help in the context and french contest to have donald trump on your side or does it hurt? >> i think that it helps. there are two things which did -- france is not completely

lost. as is germany, we are not lost. not lost in the translation. there is still the feeling that donald trump and putinare the worst solution for europe about nato. so it was bad news. and she looks -- when she received the adjustment she looked so childish, so unmature in her stupid drawing that it cannot help her. and these battles in germany and in france would be also a lot about reduction. one difference between martin and others is the quality of his

reducti reduction. it makes a donation and of europe. on top of that that's real reduction. this is a very important point. lapen does not like france, hates france and this is rather well known. >> very quickly i would love to have you weigh in on post brexit. wheth will it help teresa may or will it hurt her? >> i don't think it will play very large in the election in the u.k. i think broadly i agree been bg seen as a friend of donald trump isn't as help thisful. i don't think it is as much as position herself that can lead to the negotiation and at the

same time paint shers competent and capable who is clearly useless. >> when trump -- when merkel came to washington you said germans had a hard time understanding trumpish, the lank waj in which he was against nato and is merkel seen as having stood up to donald trump? >> i -- to what trump is actually meaning when he says words. what he is trying to get in touch with people around him and actually make sense of his

policies. the best outcome would be for the time being that there are no translation mistakes. being lost in translation with our most important ally would be disasterous. so to answer your question, no, we still don't understand trumpish to the few. >> join the. fascinating conversation. next, why in the world did donald trump call to congratulate tokyo's president on his recent reversal. that's coming up when we come back. briathe customer app willw if be live monday.

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now for our what in the world segment. donald trump made a very unusual call last week.

he phoned him and congratulated him. the results of that referendum in decades. erdogan to remain in office until 2029. turkey was once a shining star. it is now leading the trend away from genuine liberty. a recent report from freedom house says authoritarian powers are gaining the upper hand across the globe. they noted that they saw the biggest one year drop of any country. turkey has the rating of 15 points in one year and that was before this latest referendum. russia currently has a rating down two points from last year.

among those on the biggest decliens are poland, venezuela and hungry. true democracies include free press and legal protection frs minorities. i wrote about this in 1997 in an article describing the phenomenon i was noticing. they warned about it in the 19th century calling it the tierany of the majority. this is what happened in venezuela 20 years ago. the populist chavez. he consolidated power to guarantee his own reelection and

that of his hand picked successor. look at hungry where he came to power with an overwhelming zbloert majority in 2010. he soon set out eliminating judicial checks. he passed a law to close the top american funded university. it has brought out the masses to from test. back in turkey german chancellor in a clear sign that she is concerned acceptability a message to him calling on him to engage in opposition. the chancellor of germany is holding fast in the middle east in particular. while the president of the united states is calling to con gla gram of cocaine late the leader on their destruction.

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a very expensive poison? >> this is the russian spy who was in london and who most foreign governments believe was poisoned by the kremlin. >> yeah. if you go back to 2006 of these famous images lying in his hospital bed, his hair is fa falling out. he is starring into the camera. he said by putin. we had a public inquiry which concluded putin had personally approved the operations. >> he was killed with radioactive radioactive. you need a nuclear reactor. it is essentially a state plot to kill him regarding radioactive material put in his sort of tea and then he drank

it. he fell violently ill and died three weeks later, but accusing the kremlin of his murder. >> when you researched all of this you must have looked at a great deal of work that russian intelligence agencies do outside of russia, the way they infiltrate. given that background what do you think of the concerns, the accusations about the way russia tried to influence the american election and tried to penetrate the trump campaign? >> i think they are highly plausible. what happened in the u.s. last year has been happening across europe. we have seen attempts to influence the french election. there are allegations unproven but swirling around about brexit. i think what we see is an

attempt using social media and using hacking to kind of nudge things in russia's favor. that's what happened in my opinion last year here. >> do you think this strategy is one that -- i mean it seems so successful because there is plausible deniability. it involves soft power. is this the way of the future for intelligence? >> it is the way of the future. what is the lesson of the hacking of last year? is it to stop? the lesson is to keep going. i think what we see is a very clever quite cynical and almost attempt to kind of undermine the union and also to kind of go where the far left and far right is to explore this

anti-establishment mood and to allow russia to the sovereign purposes to kind of get through. >> you spent a lot of time digging around to figure out what putin's net worth might be. you believe -- and this is in the book. it's about money. they have been able to create this massive sort of income revenue. that's the slush fund that keeps the kremlin power system going, right? >> yeah. i would say there are two projects. there's the noise i have project sort of near -- sort of where putin wants him to be not a power of the united states. there is also project 2. which is a kind of private

project which is to basically steal a large amount of money. when you started it you have to do two things. one you have to offshore it and the other is you have to protect it from other people who want to steal it from you. in my view, the stealing project is more important than the nationalist project. >> part of your reporting was you come from the papers and you discovered there was a russian friend of putin's who had a bank account with 2 billion dplarz it. putin was asked about it. his ri response was staggering. >> he said it was used to buy musical instruments to import into slaurussia. >> maybe the world's most

successful vhellist. i think the reason of this story is important. if you go switzerland and say is your bank account in the name of putin? they will say we have nothing here for you. the way that person's wealth is structured is through a series of proxies. we can only guess but 30e 0, 400, $500 million. he can use it to hack an election. he can use toit buy a yacht. he is the person, almost like a person that gets to call it. >> pleasure to have you on. >> thank you. next, what would happen if you examinen the government like you might look at a business.

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federal, sfalt and local governments combined loied nearly 3 billion people. they spent $5.4 trillion. that's a 5 then a 4 then eleven zeros for those of you following along. he wanted to spend some of that money examining the u.s. government like one examines a business. he made billions for his guest and for his company by looking at balance sheeted, head counts and where the money went. what happens when you do the same to government? welcome, steve. >> thanks. >> let's start with that first statistic. did that surprise you? do you think it's too high?

>> well, it did surprise me. t it's a lot of things. it also includes teachers who obviously work at government, operated by the government. when you look at it in aggregate you wind up saying that's lot of good things that come from that group of people. people can have their own judgments as to whether some should be done by government or done privately. i was impressed such a low percentage of people were doing the work that typically people call bureaucrats, if you will. i noted that. >> expand on that. it is a very interesting point, the point that people think these bureaucrats, there's not a lot of people doing that. there's a lot of people working

in hospitals, nurses, park rangers, that kind of thing, right? >> exactly right. you know, if you look at the eight or nine areas that involve government workers that's what you're going to find. you'll find police, firemen, people who work in correctional facilities, in government businesses like water, sewer in the light, obviously teachers and professors and people that work in the universities, the military, people who clearly don't look anything like this popular conception of the bureaucrat. >> when you look at health care the data you provide to me tells a kind of sad story about american health care. it goes back decades. i look at three or four decades and basically the story is costs have gone way up. health care outcomes really haven't improves very much. you don't provide this data but

if you look at it compared to other countries it is striking how poor u.s. outcomes are compared with the soaring costs. again, what do you see in that data? >> i think that's couple of things i will note i think it's interesting that the government has mentioned it. we looked at the average age of death as opposed to the average lie life expectancy. it should better be reflected in the average age which people die than almost anything. it moved up but moved up maybe .8 years. if you look at public health statistics, people with diabetes, depression and other sort of public health characteristics, those numbers

other than smoking have not come down. at least as i look at the numbers those public health statistics to me seem very material and very interesting as it relates to health care in this country. >> another sad statistic, in some ways the one that should worry us all the most is lack of economic and social mobility. you have this plot which shows essentially what is the chance of a child exceeding the income of the family, the parents he was born to. and it looks much worse today than it did 30 years ago. it doesn't look very good. it seems to me that the problem, the sense that the american dream that your children will do better than you is under greater stress. >> well, the american dream is interesting. what is the american dream? is the american dream the dream

that kids can advance sort of statistically versus their parents economically? that might be the dream. the dream might be can people live better than their parents, which is slightly different. there are groups of people who have a very low probability of moving up the economic ladder. in the documents we show that for white kids it's about 27% chance that if your parents are in the bottom 20% you wind up in the bottom 20%. perfect would be 20%. so 27 to 20. for african american kids that number one 50% chance of staying in the bottom 20%. obviously a much more sort of constrained set of economic mobility criteria for african american kids versus white kids.

>> when you look at all of this data i constantly thought i would love to see comparisons. for example european countries do much better. canada does better. have you thought about maybe providing international comparisons so people can understand where america stacks up? >> i think it would be a great thing to do but it would start with trying to prepare something equivalent for canada or the u.k. or france. there is a lot of things that would need to be in place for us to do an equivalent piece of work. we have had some approaches from people in canada to say is there are a way to do equivalent at work? i think it would be cool to partner up with a couple of people in a couple of countries.

there is still a lot to be done in the united states. >> thank you very much, steve bomber. >> thanks. next on gps, many parts of the world are on the march. we have the satellite pictures to prove it. we'll show you one shining example in a moment. you too, unnecessary er visits. and hey, unmanaged depression, don't get too comfortable. we're talking to you, cost inefficiencies and data without insights. and fragmented care- stop getting in the way of patient recovery and pay attention. every single one of you is on our list. for those who won't rest until the world is healthier, neither will we. optum. how well gets done.

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by 2050 indian cities projected to be home to at least another 300 million people. india's government has pledged to build 100 new cities. now let's go back to the recent satellite image. the cities light up. see all that darkness? nearly 300 people do not have access to electricity. for the electricity much of it comes fro power plants. the government predicts more than half will come from non-fossil fuel. let us hope they are right. the correct answer to the gps challenge question is d. according to the outlook report emerging markets account for more than 75% in output and

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