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government. >> health care may happen next week. it may not. it's not something that has to happen in order to define our success. >> it's 100 days and he's never held public office. there is a big learning curve. >> we're talking about historic accomplishments by this administration, but all anybody wants to talk about is health care. >> the last thing we can afford is to send a message to the world that the united states government is only partially functioning. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day." it is monday, april 24th, 8:00 in the east. up first, president trump begins a crucial week with his 100th day milestone now in sight. congress faces several battles with major deadlines. first they have to pass a spending bill by friday night to keep the government running, and the president insists it must include more than $1 billion to start on his promise to build the border wall. >> for some reason the white house decided to push health care for this week to make it an
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ultimatum, make a demand. why? is there any chance it gets done? all this in the context of two national polls showing president trump's approval rating tz hit historic lows, day 95 starts a critical week of this presidency. let's begin with cnn's joe johns live at the white house. joe? >> chris, good morning. five days to go, and the white house and congressional republicans seem to be getting a reality check on the limitations of power. apparently settling on a strategy to do whatever it takes to keep the government from shutting down, though the president's messaging on his desire to get a border wall seems to be getting in the way. >> the president has been pretty straightforward about his desire and the need for a border wall. the right thing for sure, but i would suspect he will be insistent on the funding. >> reporter: the white house setting up a showdown with
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congress, just five days before a potential government shutdown, demanding that a $1.4 billion downpayment for president trump's border wall be included in this week's must pass spending bill. >> the democrats do not support the wall. the burden to keep it open is on the republicans. the wall is in my view immoral, expensive, unwise. >> reporter: democrats scoffing at the demand as some hill republicans speculate whether the fight is worth the political capital. >> i think that's a fight worth having and a conversation and a debate worth having for 018. >> once the government is up and running and stays up and running, then we have to fight this out over the next year. >> president trump insisting that american taxpayers need to foot the bill for the wall now, but eventually at a later date, mexico will be paying. very different message than his campaign bluster. >> the american people will not pay for the wall. mexico will pay for the wall.
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100%. >> reporter: vice president mike pence ending his overseas trip a day early to help out on capitol hill. despite the president's attempt to downplay the importance of the 100-day mark, trump's jam-packed schedule proving the administration thinks the milestone is significant. officials telling cnn the president is expected to sign a flurry of executive orders this week culminating with a major rally in pennsylvania on saturday to mark his 100th day in office. >> he is fulfilling his promises and doing it at breakneck speed. >> reporter: white house officials are trying to prove the president is taking action, given the lack of legislative accomplishments. >> we're talking about historic accomplishments by this administration in the first 100 days, but all anybody wants to talk about is health care. >> reporter: despite the touted efforts to revive the battle to repeal obamacare, officials now say there is no expectation of a vote before friday. >> it's a marathon, not a sprint, so we're hopeful for this week, but again, it's not
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something that has to happen in order to define our success. >> reporter: trump's budget director also downplaying expectations for wednesday's big announcement on tax reform. >> what you're going to see on wednesday for the first time is here's what our principles are, here are some of the ideas we like, some of the ideas we don't like. >> reporter: and diplomacy is expected to be back on the menu here at the white house late in the day. the president expected to have dinner with about a dozen diplomats from the u.n. security council, including the united states ambassador to the united nations, nikki haley. chris and alisyn back to you. >> thanks, joe. two new national polls to tell you about a, show president trump's approval rating hitting an historic low. abc news/"the washington post" poll shows 42% approve of his job so far and nbc news/"wall street journal" poll shows only 40% do. the lowest approval rating for
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any recent president at the 100-day mark. david druker and national political reporter maeve reston and harry bacon. great to have all of you here. david, what do these poll numbers that we just see there mean for him trying to get stuff accomplished this week? >> well, it means that he still has an opportunity to try and get things done, because he hasn't lost his base, and he hasn't lost his party in congress but i think as we look at these poll numbers it's important to understand where different groups of americans are on the president. i think that for so many americans that put their trust and faith in him and voted for him, you find even though a lot of what he's done so far has been symbolic and executive oriented, it means so much to them. >> we just heard from them. >> we did. it means he's trying. he hasn't given up. and he hasn't given up on them and he hasn't forgotten them. we'll see that so much with his 100-day rally in harrisburg,
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pennsylvania, where the rest of us are at the white house correspondents dinner. there's nothing elitist or wrong. the contrast will be good for the president's purposes on the other hand, because the president has continued to go after his detractors and after his democratic opponents in a way that he does, it means that he is doing nothing to diminish the loss of faith in institutions or the hyperpartisanship and polarization that certainly didn't begin with him but has continued and been exacerbated which him, not necessarily a good thing for the country. >> some context, perry bacon in terms of resolve and holding on to their initial inclination. let's put up the clinton numbers from the poll also. okay. so would you vote the same way? trump voters 96. clinton voters 85%. now what does that mean to you, that she has a smaller number of resolute voters than he does? >> it would tell me i think that
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people since hillary clinton lost regret voting for her, because she was a losing candidate. my guess is you ask who they would vote for they might say a third party candidate, maybe i could have voted for bernie sanders or a different candidate to vote for. i do think these numbers overall are still for trump, two things that are important here, the first is when you're in the 40s, it suggests when you're a new president, you have a chance to reach out to the other side, you have a chance to build up a new coalition. you have a chance to sort of restart and he's not been able to gain any of the voters at the beginning versus obama and bush had higher approval ratings compared to how much they won of the vote in 2009 and 2001. he hasn't grown that coalition. the second thing is members of congress care first and always about being reelected, and when you're talking about a president in the 40s, republican members of congress are going to be nervous if i'm aligned with this guy it's going to cause me to lose in november 2018. so if his numbers are down it will make it harder for him to
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get republicans to move with him, and do things that are controversial, like health care. >> maeve, meanwhile the president is planning to do or promising to do a lot of big things this week, just before the 100-day mark, including tax reform that he says he will announce something on wednesday. what do we know? >> if the administration at the same time has been downplaying a little bit what that announcement will entail, as i understand it from my sources, that is a bill that is still very much in flux in terms of what the actual pieces are, but clearly they want to make it, they want to remind american voters that that was a huge priority of trump's during the campaign and he is still very committed to it, and is outlining a plan, and what i have also heard is that they are doing a better job this time within the white house of trying to get people on board, members of congress, at an earlier stage, with i they did not do as well with the health care bill to kind of smooth that ride over
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the next couple of months, as we head toward a potential tax reform bill, but still a lot of big hurdles ahead for the wlous white house on that. >> when you look at where he's doing well in the polish uby issue, let's put up the numbers, the less he talks the more he allows things to take their ordinary course of having the government work the better he does. military action in syria, 62-33 support that. north korea, 46-37, interesting what would motivate that tightness there, we don't really know. is there another number, those are the two. you'll see throughout the poll online the cross tabs show if he just lets things get done by the people around him and keeps it pretty formal it's okay. it's when he goes outside of that and freelances and tweets and opines, he gets in trouble. david, do you think that's a lesson that makes its way to the white house? >> i think it should. i think there's a difference
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between disruption and implementation. i think there's a lot of political value in coming to washington as he has and saying that i'm not going to be locked in to the old ideas. both parties i think republicans and democrats have been sort of used up in old ideas that they have pedaling for 30, 40 years. they may be good ideas but i think they're exhausted. but if you want to get anything done in washington, there's a certain way you go about it and so i think where we've seen him do well, whether it was the supreme court nomination and conffirmation of neil gorsuch, or more conventional approach to foreign policy, the lesson here is, it's okay to have new ideas and disruptive ideas. it's politically beneficial. some may be accepted and some may be opposed, but there is a way of getting things done. we like to call it blocking and tackling. spread offense, fine, run up the middle, fine. you need a good offensive line that can block and that's where this administration has been lacking is experienced blockers and tacklers who can take
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trump's at times disruptive or different ideas or different way of doing things and implement them in congress so that they have lasting power, because executive orders are only as good as the next president. >> let's talk about that. go ahead, maeve. >> chris i was going to say one of the things we do know about the way that trump governs is that he likes to take on everything himself. he is not always the best delegateor. he likes to have people in the room who invite conflict and fights back and forth over policy and i think that sometimes that slows the process down, but that is the way that he likes to govern, and so that may be some of what you're seeing in those numbers there. >> perry, his chief of staff, reince priebus, was on the sunday shows yesterday and he said this president is achieving things at breakneck speed, that's his quote. he's talking about the executive orders. i know that david says they are only as good as the four years you're in office. maybe that's all the trump
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administration needs right now, because that gets you another four years, if people like them. >> i think the trump administration has two big accomplishments. first david referred to it neil gorsuch and second is trump talking about immigration all the time during the campaign, relentlessly. we have this this point firm the number of people trying to cross the border has went down a lot in these last two months and appears that trump's rhetoric saying don't come here, we don't want you essentially is working. he has two big accomplishments. the problem with reince priebus said is of course the two things that trump spent the most time on his first two months, the muslim ban and the health care bill, were both failures. when your first 100 days if you were like getting close to accomplishing things, if the health care bill had passed the house but was waiting in the senate, that would suggest maybe in day 130 trump might sign a health care bill. we're not near that. you have the first 00 days wasted on some level with basically 40 days of health care plan that did not succeed.
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so you have two big successes, you also have two big failures. >> thank you, panel. >> appreciate it. the senate is back. the house is back tomorrow, they were on recess. remember, that puts even more question marks around this idea that they would get health care reform done before the 100-day mark, especially with the shutdown looming. so how reasonable is that expectation? we're going to take a look at it. plus you have to see this, a firefighter rushes to save a 4-year-old girl after she fell out of a moving bus. what was going through his mind, and how is she? we're going to talk to him live. but tonight johnson's® can help with a bedtime® routine, clinically proven to help them fall asleep faster and stay asleep longer. tonight we sleep™. ♪ at bp's cooper river plant, employees take safety personally - down to each piece of equipment, so they can protect their teammates and the surrounding wetlands, too.
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all right, so the senate is back working in washington today. the house returns tomorrow, and they're going to come back to some big asks on multiple fronts. they got the shutdown looming. they have to get that done but you have this ask for the funding for the wall in there. will that cause disruption and there was this new mandate thrown in by the white house, trumpeted by the president they have to get health care done in the house as well. the president tweeting obamacare is in serious trouble. the dems need big money to keep it going otherwise it dies far sooner than anyone would have thought. joining us republican congressman pete sessions, the chairman of the house rules committee. we know you're just getting back to work tomorrow. seems you're working all the time, congressman. this was being generated. the political reality, will we
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see a vote in the house this week on health care? >> chris, i think it's unlikely and the most important reason why not is because we've not had a chance to explain to the american people about what that health care plan should be. secondly, you watched over the weekend tom price secretary of hhs clearly lay out his ideas of making health care available to as many people as possible and really fixing health care and i have yet to see that plan that does both those things, and so i think that the delay, the tactics, the opportunity for congress to get closer to that activity we need a health care bill that allows people to take credit to work. we need to reduce the number of people who might be uninsured and if we do that, we come up with a plan that goes from let's say 17 or 20% of the american
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people support up to 80% support. we can do the right thing. we can fix health care. >> i want to ask about that specifically. give me alogical bit of insight. seems that nobody thinks that a vote could get done this week for exactly what you're talking about. not jaundiced reasons. we don't know what it is. we haven't worked it out yet. all serious, significant issues. why the pressure to get it done this week? why set the president up for what teams to be a sure disappointment? >> that i don't understand. i can tell you this week we know we've got to make sure the government gets funded. we knew this last december. this is the week we have to get that done. we will get it done in a way the house, the senate and the president works together. the president needs a sense of understanding not only about how
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we work, but why we're doing this and funding the government is bigger necessarily than any one piece part. >> the political intrigue will continue. somebody did the president a disservice telling him to push for this, this week when there was no reasonable expectation of that. let's get to the specifics. if you're going to give me a tax credit, you got to give it to me wherever i go. just because i have a job it shouldn't punish me in terms of getting health care. if i can't take that tax credit to work you cut out a huge part of the population you say you want to help. what is motivating the resisting to go to employment where people can pool as employees and get a health care plan? >> i think there's a debate going on inside members of congress how do you best reduce the amount that it costs to provide insurance to people and
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members of congress have not made the translation, instead of a person having an individual policy to a group policy, once we make that translation and understand that if we truly want to follow to fix the issue and provide as many people with health care, that means the most cost-effective form and that is being able to take your tax credit to where you can put that, pool that with other people. >> cost effective -- >> and cost effective. and you reduce the number of people who are uninsured. it is the right way. what keeps us from that, i don't know. >> the plan. >> cost effective is one thing but ain't the cheapest way, congressman, if you want to show you pulled the most money out of this swak that is not the cheapest way to do it. sounds like the motivation on
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some part of the side of your aisle we want to pull as much money out of this and show as much tax savings no matter who it hurts because we have to par lay that into our tax plan and into you are infrastructure plan. fair criticism? >> it's correct, some $800 billion that would be pulled out of health care, comes directly out of medicaid and disabled funding and that is why we've been unable to move forward but if you want to fix health care just not just get through the issue is to fix it is that you allow everybody the same pre-tax opportunity through the tax credit. it not only fixes the system, it reduces hugely the number of people who were uninsured. if we add in the number of people who can bring their tax credit to work, overnight, we change health care, and this is where the democrats failed, because they wanted to go to
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where a person would have their individual policy. the individual policy is dying in front of us. this is where i believe we will end up cutting the final deal to allowing health care to be fixed, and when the fix occurs, the american people, including those on medicaid and with disabilities, are far happier. >> look, that's going to be the key. that cbo score that showed 10 million people would be knocked off the medicaid rolls because of the tax savings of the money sucked out of the plan, that's going to matter. let me ask you something here, while i have you. the shutdown bill. everybody is saying we don't want to shut down the government. the border wall is not the analogy you hoped it would be. the president is saying i want $1.4 billion, with a "b" for the ball, the first installment. that's a real wall, not an analogy wall. do you think that has to go to get the government to continue running? >> well, let me say this, chris. i have yet to see the plan from
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the white house or the secretary of homeland security that shows where and what that wall would look like. we have taken the immediate, as a result of the president's quick actions, we have taken the huge pressure off our border circumstances, but long-term we have to protect that border. i would have anticipated it would have been in the long-term plan of his infrastructure package. several weeks ago this man came to us, putting pressure on us to produce the results, it would be a republican only bill. i'd like to see us fund the government. i'd like to see this be a circumstance where we understand what the wall would mean and where. in texas it is difficult. where would you put the wall, block texans off from the river, would you put it back a mile? we don't know enough about the actual plan even though
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republicans at least are for securing our border, and i think we can get there with operational control. >> tick tock, tick tock. can you get it done before the end of the week and if not -- >> we cann. >> appreciate you being on as always, sir. new poll numbers show president trump's approval rating at an historic low but his supporters have no regrets at all about their votes. why do we see such a dichotomy in the country? we have a debate you don't want to miss next.
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president trump does not like some new polls this show him with historically low approval ratings within the 100 days. he says now "the two fake news polls released yesterday abc and nbc, while containing some very positive info were totally wrong in general election." let's discuss, simone sanders and jeffrey lord. great to see both of you.. >> good morning, ali. >> good morning. >> great to see you. let's look at these two polls that mr. trump does not like. this is the abc news poll, shows him with just 42% approval
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rating, the nbc shows him even lower at 40%. that is lower than any president at the 100-day mark in recent history. what do you think is going on with all voters that is reflected in these polls, jeffrey? >> well, i think that his base is sticking with him. ali shall he's going to be here in harrisburg, pennsylvania, on saturday night, and i can tell you, there's a lot of excitement already here on the ground. >> yes. >> i think his folks are sticking with him big time. >> yes, we've seen that. i just did a panel on his die hard supporters. nothing has changed basically virtually in the emotion. let me pull this up. 96% of republicans who voted for donald trump would do so again today. only 85% of hillary clinton voters. so you're right. his die hard supporter also still come to the rallies and they still love him but jeffrey, how do you explain the histor
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historically low approval rates of all americans? >> i see the numbers there and some of these polls, the president is right, some of these polls we're saying hillary clinton was going to be president and they were wrong so he's quite right about that. -- >> the polls were saying that hillary clinton was overwhelmingly more popular and she would win more votes and that was actually correct but go ahead, jeffrey. >> she didn't win the presidency. >> she won the popular vote. here's the thing. so yes, trump's base is sticking with him but he is still the president of all the people, and you know, for the fact of the matter barack obama's base stuck with him but democrats still didn't do well in the midterm selections came around. >> when it says 96% of all republican voters, that's not just his base. we're not just talking about the sort of die hards. that's 96% of republican voters. so he's keeping republicans. >> i would venture to -- look, all i'm saying is we have to
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look at what we've seen in the states, alisyn. folks have come out and do not like what republicans are planning to do with health care. they did not like that now donald trump is saying we are going to have to pay for the wall. they do not like, even the supporters say they don't like he's tweeting. real national security implications and i think those have real implications for midterm elections, so we have seen that when republicans try to act on donald trump's policies, they get pushback from their base, from republicans, from democrats, and i think that is more indicative of what it means when we talk about moving the needle for issues in this country, when we talk about whether folks are going to return to congress after midterm elections or not. >> jeffrey, when you see 40% approval rating, that doesn't cause you any concern? if you were in this white house you wouldn't tell mr. trump to change a thing? >> no, because i mean it's only, we're not quite there to 100 days. you know, ali, to dip into
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history when it, when harry truman left the white house i think he had a 25%, 35% popularity rating, something like that. >> not at the 100-day mark. this is particularly low. >> but my point is, i don't think these things are relevant. what's relevant is history in terms of the administration. >> and not relevant because donald trump isn't doing well. donald trump or on the campaign trail came out with a contract with the american people because he said he was going to get so much done in the first 100 days, we're going to start "winning again." donald trump hasn't gotten not even a quarter of the things done that he promised to the american people that he would get done. >> i would -- >> i think it does matter. i think it matters that it's 100 days his approval ratings are low and we have not seen any -- >> oh, symone. >> the die hards say he's working on it. they didn't expect him to accomplish everything in the first 100 days and maybe that is an unrealistic bench mark. >> i think it's nice they give
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him the benefit of the kout. t doubt. it's donald trump and people in his administration who promised all of these things. we don't know how long his supporter also give him the ben fit of the doubt i guess we wait and see. to say 100 days doesn't matter, it's too tight of a time line that's only because the trump administration has not been able to deliver on that which they said they would deliver on. >> go ahead, jeffrey. >> well i just think that, you know, the proof in the pudding here is when you get to the end of a presidency and no matter who the president is and see what's been accomplished. >> hopefully that comes sooner than later. >> well, gee, by the way, symone if i may, ali, when i was on the other time and we had that conversation that led to "oh jeffrey" my friend symone put out t-shirts which she is selling that say "oh jeffrey" so this morning americanspectator.org i've asked the readers if they will buy them and hopefully symone will split the proceeds between the martin luther king center and
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scholarship fund for dr. ben carson. >> symone are you taking him up on his offer? i like you're pedaling the merchandise that you two your vaudeville act has come up up with on "new day." i do and i'll send a t-shirt. we can definitely have a conversation where to put real resources, jeffrey. i'd like to see martin luther king jr. foundation and places across the country, talking about this pennsylvania or in washington, d.c., where i am we can support. let's talk about it and maybe we can give them a lesson history lesson on the true history of mlk, what he has fought for and how donald trump is not. >> you two can have a summit about where you want to spend the vast proceeds that will be rolling in from your "oh jeffrey" t-shirts. >> i think we can. >> bye guys. great to talk to you. >> thanks. >> thank you. >> let's get to chris.
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monitoring group when his vehicle hit a mine. the president has yet to address the situation. in france, the far right populist marine le pen and emmanuel macron won the first round of the presidential election. the outsider candidates face off in a runoff on may 7th. former president obama about to give his first major post presidency speech. he's going to address young community leaders and organizers at the university of chicago, where his presidential library is planned. >> for more on the five things to know g to newdaycnn.com for the latest. the big question with president obama, is he going to bring up the new. the? we have a great guy to answer it, former senior adviser to president obama, the axe, david axelrod. the bottom line, next. this is your new name. this is your new house. and a perfectly inconspicuous suv. you must become invisible.
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deadline, nobody's voting today and his die hard supporters are not budging. >> yes. no i think you summed it up. look, i think first of all what we've seen is the clash between the reality of campaigning and the reality of governing. donald trump got elected with this let me take care of it brava bravado, as if governing was a reality show and he could come into the board room and make decisions and things would happen, and what he's learning is that as president, that's not the way it works on every issue. he seems to be discovering that things are more complicated than he realized, and in some cases he's made adaptations and he's done well on the national security front, there are a few places where you'd point to that. some of the executive orders on things that he wanted to get done, but in dealing with congress, and in dealing with complex issues like health care, not so much. but as you point out, and alisyn your focus group with the voters
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was instructive the trump voters they're not going anywhere any time soon. his clash with the establishment is what they expected and wanted. when things don't go well they give him pretty much a pass on that for now. but years down the line, when he's really judged, which is when he comes before voters again, then i think they're going to ask themselves the question of voters always do, am i better off now? do i feel i'm nor economically secure? has he done the things that he said that he would do to help me, and if the answer is yes, they will stick with him. and if the answer is no, some of them will peel away. >> seems like the president would be better served by a voter panel group of those who are against him, and see what's going on because he can't grow. that he's his problem right now. he's locked in his base but the numbers repeat the headline time and time again. he's not expanding that base. so president obama is going to give his first post election speech -- don't try to run away
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from theby ma economy, axe, it's coming. >> i'm not running anyway but on that point, two groups of trump voters the group that alisyn spoke to and the group that voted not because they liked him but didn't like hillary clinton. he's do much less well with those voters. that should be a source of concern. as for obama you can expect today he's going to address the need for these young people to get invested in community service in organizing, in trying to change their world by getting together to solve problems. i do not think that he's going to offer a critique of his predecessor. people are hungry for that. if that's what they're looking for, they'll be disappointed. what i'm looking for is the director of the institute of politics at the university of chicago is to see him inspire these young people to believe that they can make a difference, and i think that he will. >> that's not juicy. i know you want to --
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>> i understand that but you don't need -- >> please don't bother us with that. >> but you know, i do think people are, you know, there are a lot of people who would love to see him be the point of the spear in the debate with president trump and trump has given him ample reason to respond, but he, i know from my personal conversations with him, he believes that former presidents have a certain role, and it's not to reengage in the political wars, but to offer commentary on larger points, when they're proappropriate. i don't think he's going to plunge into this and get back in. he's run his last race. he will comment when he thinks basic principles are being abrogated and i'm sure he'll be making speeches on some of these larger issues in the months to come. but don't expect him to be in there back in the ring again. >> that sense of decorum and of leaving his administration where it was, it's like an adivism now because everybody is just
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attacking all the time. it's a bygone notion of restraint. let me ask you something. 100 days, trump said it mattered. he had a plan, talked about it all the time. now says it doesn't matter. what is your take on the measure that fdr put in place? is it still a good look at whether or not a new administration is able to get something done? >> you know, i think it's sort of an artificial construct. i do think that you get clues from the early part of an administration as to how a president is going to operate, and clearly one of the clues we've gotten here is that he, this improvizational style of trump is not read aily adaptabl to governing. i believe when he said we're going to do health care and announce our tax reform plan on wednesday, and so on, these are sort of improvizational impulses on his part, and they don't generally work out well. >> all right, david, thank you
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very much for previewing all of that and giving us the analysis. great to see. >> good for those kids at the university of chicago, get the message from the former president. quick programming note, don't miss "america united or divided?" a live cnn town hall with ohio governor john kasich. you got anderson cooper moderating tonight, 10:00 p.m., only on cnn. so there is this terrifying moment caught on dash cam, a little girl who falls out of the back of a moving bus there. lucky for her, a hero was in the right place at the right time. he joins us to tell us this story, next.
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for that god-awful situation. when you saw that door open, and that body fall out, what did you think? >> you know, my heart sank, that is definitely something you don't see, that's the first time i've seen it in my life in person, and i just, it didn't look real. i had to do a double take. it was definitely caught me off guard. >> ryan, when you get to her, she was unconscious. did she wake up in your arms? >> yes, ma'am. when i walked over and knelt down to her, i started talking to her and she finally lifted her arm up at me, once she heard my voice. when i first walked up she was completely unconscious. >> it was important for you, you were explaining why you did what you did. obviously you're an emt, a trained first responder, ordinarily you tell the rest of us, leave them alone when you see somebody have that kind of trau trauma. you felt you couldn't in that
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situation, why? >> well you know that day, there's a couple reasons, one that day was around 80 degrees so i know the pavement was very warm so right do doing damage and inflicting more pain on this girl. another is she fell directly in the middle of highway 65 in harrison, arkansas, a busy highway that runs through the town there. so i couldn't let her lay there and another car come and run her over, run us both over and all the other people that had stopped. so i made that split second decision to, you know, get her out of that situation. >> to pick her up and move her. you used your car to block traffic from coming and running guys over. we don't see the bus that she fell out of. did they drive away? did they not know a little girl had fallen out of the back?
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>> that's been going through my head as well constantly. i've been seeing this video, i play it over and over and over. it hasn't escaped my memory since it happened, but yes, i look up and the bus is gone. and i'm wondering how do you not hear it, not see it? i don't know? he must have been -- i know the bus was filled with a lot of other schoolchildren headed to church and so that would take, he's probably tuning out a lot of kids probably screaming and yell and having a good time. >> oh my gosh. >> tuning out? the door open the whole time he's driving away. that has to be a big part of this situation. those doors are supposed to be locked. you're supposed to be aware. he's driving kids. that's going to be part of the investigation. that's not your part of this reality. now we're told the girl had a broken jaw, but she's okay. have you been in touch with her since this or her family? >> i have not personally met
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with them yet. i definitely would love to. i just want her to heal and give her all the time she needs, you know, but i would love to reunite with them, so you know, i've not met with them in person over anything yet but i would love to. >> we'll see if we can make that happen. i know that you have advice for other people. not everybody of course is a trained emt. not everybody would know what to do. for everyone, what advice do you give them today? >> like i tell everyone, i'm a big advocate, ems, it is a passion of mine. it gets in your blood and you just can't help but help people and i'm a natural civil servant and i always have been. i want everybody to at least take from this something, get, take a first responder class, take a first aid class, cpr. you never know when someone can be choking and you can save their lives or stop breathing
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and no pulse, you start cpr and bring them back. i just urge everyone to do that, because there's a lot of things that happen in this crazy world, as you can see, i never imagined that that would have happened to me. just driving down the road. >> that's great, great advice, ryan. we're glad you were there in that situation. thanks for sharing it with us, and we will see if we can get a status report on the little girl for you and everyone been. >> i'm sure that family would love to meet you. the right man at the right time. >> time for "cnn newsroom" with poppy harlow and john berman. >> mazing story. we have a lot of news to so let's get started. >> good monday morning. gigantic contrast between big and small, a lot and a
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