tonight. he will be on at 9:00 p.m. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." "outfront" starts right now. next, will the president shut down the entire government over his boarder wall, a wall he promised mexico would pay for? confusing signals from the white house. the president admits he never realized how big the job is. after 95 days is it sinking in. the president tells an astronaut tonight better you than me. president trump between a wall and a hard place. with the government shutdown looming it comes down to the wall. will trump shut down the government if democrats refuse to fund his boarder wall? if you listen to trump's

homeland security secretary john kelly the answer to that question is yes. >> the president has been pretty straightforward about his desire and the need for a boarder wall. so i would suspect he'll do the right thing for sure, but i will suspect he will be insisting on the funding. >> insistent on the funding. democrats say they will not play ball. the democratic leader chuck schumer calls the wall a pointless waste of taxpayer money. today on that point, taxpayer funded, this simple but important question from our jim acosta. >> reporter: on the wall, why is there even discussion about shutting down the government over paying for the wall? isn't mexico supposed to pay for the wall? >> i think that the presint is clear initially we needed to get the funding going and there would be several mechanicsms to make sure it happens. >> that is a promise the

president made during the campaign. >> i understand. >> reporter: now we're having a discussion that the government might shut down over the wall and who is going to pay for it. >> right. >> the president himself then went of course on twitter to say that mexico will pay, but he put an important caveat on it. mexico will be paying in some form for the badly needed wall. what this means right now is that we the taxpayers are paying for the wall if democrats approve the funding. the bottom line is that a taxpayer funded wall is a broken promise. >> we will build a great wall along the southern boarder. the american people will not pay for the wall. >> except for we are going to pay for the wall. t the president tries to produce a

major accomplishment before his first 100 days in the office. when it comes to this wall, we're on the verge of a nasty battle. >> reporter: especially when you consider that we've heard the president say mexico will pay for the wall and u.s. taxpayers will get reimbursed for it. democrats not believing that saying u.s. taxpayers are going to get with this bill that's why you have the white house working behind the scenes to work with the house and senate trying to get a deal made. having said that white house press secretary sean spicer says at the end of the day he believes a deal will be reached and a government shutdown will be avoid. as president trump closes in on 100 days in office, his administration is getting ready for a boarder wall. the president tweeting today the wall is a very important tool in stopping drugs from pouring into

our country and poisoning our youth and many others. congress has until friday to approve a spending bill and avoid a government shutdown. the administration is pushing to include $1.4 billion for a wall as part of that measure. >> it will be up to congress to pass it and if the democrats filibuster that and block it, it will shut the whole government down just to keep the wall from being built. >> reporter: democrats say funding for the wall is a nonstarter. >> to think he would consider shutting down the government of the united states of america over this outlandish proposal of a boarder wall, which we can't pay for at this point, and is opposed by democrats and republicans all along the boarder, that would be the height of irresponsibility. >> reporter: some republicans on the hill are suggesting the party cannot risk a shutdown over the wall. >> the last thing we can afford is to send a message to the world that the united states government is only partially

functioning. >> reporter: white house press secretary sean spicer sounded an optimistic note for the prospects for deal. >> we feel confident they understand the president's priorities and wil come to an agreement by the end of friday. >> reporter: on day 95 of his presidency, the president finds himself with the lowest approval ratings at this stage for any president since 1945, yet a washington post news finds 96% of trump supporters stand by their vote. the white house aiming to show progress on a number of points this week with the president teasing an announcement wednesday on tax reform and an administration official telling cnn that lowering the corporate tax rate from 35% to 15% as trump promised during the campaign is under consideration. the white house also rolling out a list of 100-day accomplishments, though many are the result of executive actions taken by the president.

>> i don't think there's any question that the president has done a significant amount for the american people on the issues he has put forward during the campaign. >> reporter: a little bit more about the corporate tax rate cut and how it will be paid for, it will be paid for through economic expansion. more about what the president is up to tonight. he is going to be meeting with senators john mccain and lindsay graham, two people who have been critical of the president during the past, but when you are president trying to get so much approved before thi 100-day mark, you need all the support you can get. >> thank you, jason. i want to go out front to chairman of the democratic senatorial campaign committee and member of the budget ranking economi committees. is there any situation where you would vote for a bill that allows temporary or not funding this week for the boarder wall?

>> no, i won't, because it's a total waste of taxpayer money. even the security experts tell us it is not a smart way to defend the boarder. so we're all for boarder security, but we're not for wasting taxpayer dollars. as you pointed out throughout the campaign candidate donald trump said he is going to let mexico pay for this and of course the mexicans have told him to take a hike. so we're not going to ask the american people to foot the bill for a wall that's a waste of money. so boarder security is fine. wasting taxpayer dollars is not. >> the president just said in an interview that if the wall stops 1% of the drugs, it will pay for itself, he says he's going to cost $10 billion, that's less than half of the public estimates. are you willing to shut the government down over this or are you willing to support a vague

boarder security that he goes wink wink, nod nod and he uses it for the wall. >> let's be clear. president trump, the homeland security director who is threatening to shut down the government if he doesn't get hit three-quarters of the way through the current fiscal year. we didn't have any funding for the wall in that bill. the president can look to the next year if he wants to fight this out, but to threaten to shut down the government and let be really clear republicans have the white house, they have both houses of congress, i think it's going to be a big mistake for them to shut down the government because the president couldn't get mexico to pay for the wall. i mean, go down south of the boarder once again and try again. but he told the american people that we wouldn't have to waste our money on the wall. >> so he feels a lot of pressure right now because of this 100-day marker which he says is important, which now he says

isn't, he clearly cares about it, i'm sure you've seen his approval rating at the lowest levels since 1945, but there the gloating for democrats may end because it had bad news in it for you too. it shows 28% of the americans think the democrat party is in touch. those numbers are worse than the numbers for trump for being out of touch or for republicans. the worst for democrats. you're here as the person responsible for getting more democrats elected to the senate. did it shock you to see these numbers this morning? >> i was concerned about the numbers. the american public is fed up with the process overall, but as you indicated, donald trump ran saying he was going to come to washington, he was going to make these great deals and make things work. instead of making a deal here, he's giving everybody this ultimatum. he sounds like an extosh nis threatening to shut down the government if he doesn't get hit

way on this. that is not the art of the deal. >> i understand you're going back to that, but i want to get to the point 28% of the americans think the democratic party is in touch. that's lower than the number who say that about donald trump or republicans. i mean, this is pretty stunning. >> well, i think you're going to see a turn around in this. all i can tell you is when i'm out and about both in the state of maryland and throughout the country, a huge outpouring of support. you see it at town ha meet gings and through the phone calls, people do not want to turn back the progress we've made. people want to try to get together and solve problems and that's why it's problematic you have the president threatening to shut down the government. he talked during the campaign. he talked during the campaign about modernizing our national infrastructure. that is something that has strong bipartisan support. why not start with something like that rather than start out by trying to undo the affordable

care act and put millions of people in jeopardy and try to force through a wall under a government shut down threat. >> mark preston is with manage he. he's doing what i guess anybody in his position would try to do, turn it back to donald trump shutting down the government. those numbers are bad for democrats. >> terrible. >> worse for democrats than they were for donald trump or for republicans. >> right now if you look at those numbers seven of 10 are saying the democrats are out of touch. we try to take the positive say and say almost three in ten americans believe that they're in touch. those are term numbers. he has a difficult job. not only does he have to try to get people elected, he has to try to protect democrats for the future right now. there are ten democratic

incumbent senators. >> this whole -- it's a crucial question for him. they're trying to make this about the wall, but how big is this wall issue for donald trump right now? he's trying to say mexico will pay for it eventually. this is a promise he made every day. >> i think it's going to catch up to him. if we're going to pay for the wall, what are we going to take away from and at some point we're going to take away from things that effect people that suppt donald trump and that's going to crystalli for people. the wall is his trojan horse in the sense that he has said that he's going to protect people from coming across the boarder. if they want to get across the boarder, they're going to get across the boarder. the question is do you invest in technology and drones and people on the ground. >> he's saying if stops 1% of the drugs it's worth it. next, a u.s. nuclear

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happened at the pyongyang airport and now an american citizen is in custody. this airport is one of the only ways in and out of north korea, just a handful of flights pass through on any given week. it was here that north korean authorities detained a man over the weekend as he was trying to board a flight out of the country. the man had just finished teaching at the pyongyang university of science and technology, a private institution where foreign professors, including americans, teach north korean students. the university says we understand this detention is related to an investigation into matters not connected in any way with the work of the university. details of that investigation or any charges against kim remain a mystery. so far north korea has stayed silent. complicating matters, washington does not have diplomatic relations with pyongyang. all communications go through the swedish embassy, which

confirmed the detention, but refused comment. it's working on the case. says kim joins at least two other u.s. citizens also in north korean custody. university of virginia student was on a sightseeing tour last yee year when he was accused of removing a political sign from a hotel wall. his sentence, 15 years hard labor. kim is a naturalized citizen serving ten years hard labor on spying charges. the status of both men unknown. this apparent third detention of an american citizen is after kim jong-un unveiled never before seen missiles at the day of the sun parade including two new

icbms that could be capable of carrying a nuclear warhead to the mainland u.s. despite rising tensions travel to north korea continues as normal. more than 100 people boarded the flight including dozens of tourists. tour companies say everyone will leave safely as long as they follow north korean law. of course the detainment of this third american citizen shows there are no guarantees of going home when you come to north korea. in fact, the state department urges americans not to travel here saying they face the risk of excessive and harsh prosecution and detainment because this country is acting in a way that it considers itself at war with the united states. that complicates the situation for all three of those american detainees. at least 15 americans have been detained in north korea over the last decade and in the past

james clapper and bill clinton traveled here personally to secure the release of other detainees. we'll have to see what happens in this case. >> all right. thank you so much. live in pyongyang tonight. former governor bill richardson and former ambassador to the u.n. and former air force colonel and gordan chang author of nuclear showdown. will mentioned 15 americans detained in north korea over the past decade. you have been to north korea eight times. you personally helped secure the release of three of those americans. how should president trump respond now that we know there is a new american detained? >> he should focus more on the prisoners. maybe see the release of the three detainees. a humanitarian negotiation. as a path forward to start a dialogue. i think he has to make some of these military responses, the

carrier, more sanctions if they detonate. cyber, all of that, but i've always found that at this time, first of all, the north koreans, when things are very hot, they detain more americans. they become bargaining chips and then the north koreans want something in return. a high level visit, humanitarian aid. we should be careful and play it cool and tone down the rhetoric. but at the same time start diplomatic channels to try to get these three americans out, especially the 21-year-old kid who has been there a year sentenced to 15 years for stealing a political banner. >> right. of course, 15 years in a hard prison labor camp. nikki haley spoke about this and she said kim jong-un is upping the ante. >> by detaining a prisoner is one way he's trying to show his strength and it's not going to

work. >> should the u.s. be trying to free this american going to the mat for this and the other two who are there? >> we should always try to free americans, but i have a lack of sympathy for somebody who ignores state department warnings and common sense and goes to north korea. i don't want united states policy becoming hostage to these people because we are creating incentives for kim jong-un to grab americans in the future. bill clinton, james clapper, jimmy carter, all these people went to pyongyang to secure their release so that means the north koreans are going to grab more. >> i will say having been in the dmz and walked over on the north korean side in the u.n. area where you can do so, they warn you if you go to close they can grab you over the line. lightly the word grab. north korea is now threatening to sink the u.s.ss carrier.

it is in western pacific going to be obviously heading up off the coast of north korea. is north korea capable of doing what it threatens? >> not really. the reason is because the carrier strike group have a lot of defenses that can protect against almost everything that the north koreans can throw at them. the other thing is that the north korean tactics that would be used in a case like this are ones that really would not work against the carrier or any of the other ships in this group. >> let me ask you, ambassador, is donald trump right then to sends the nuclear submarine with guided missiles to sit off the coast of north korea? strategically is that the right thing to do? >> yeah, that's the right thing to do. we have to have a response. what i don't like i think ambassador hdid say we have to look at a preemptive strike.

what we need to look at is more intensive work on the part of china china. it looks like maybe china is starting to push the north koreans. they have enormous leverage over china. they give them -- over north korea. they give them food and energy assistance and economic ai assistance. i think the carrier is a good thing. i think it's going in the right direction. we have 30,000 american troops on the dmz and 50,000 in japan and 25 million south koreans in seoul. let's use diplomacy, strong partnerships with china, our allies. but the show of force, that's good. let's not overdo it with talk of a preemptive military strike. i know the north koreans. they're easily agitated. they don't think or negotiate like this.

you don't want to provoke them. i know this guy is very dangerous. he's kim jong-un. you don't know where he's coming from. no one met with the guy. let's be calm and collected. >> i will say donald trump doesn't negotiate quote unquote like we do either. >> no. >> could he be the person who could negotiate with kim jong-un or is both their unpredictab unpredictability we face. >> the kim family is a master of creating crisis. president trump is making kim jong-un nervous, but it's the cursor to the next crisis. which one it is depends on how skillful donald trump is. is donald trump over his head, the president admitting his job is harder tn expeed. tonight, president obama rerns to public life.

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new tonight, revealing words from president trump, the

"associated press" releasing a transcript of its interview with him. he makes some surprising admissions, asked about how the office has changed him, he said, quote, one thing i would say i never realized how big it is and adding the financial cost of everything is so massive, every agency. tom foreman is out front. >> reporter: it was all supposed to be breezy and easy changing policies, the law, washington itself. >> sebody said you can't build a wall. a wall. this is so easy. it's very easy to figure that one out. believe me. politicians will never be able to to do. for me it's easy. >> reporter: for nearly 100 days the billionaire businessman has admitted grappling with d.c. is more than he imagined. >> what surprised you. >> i think the size of everything. >> reporter: in his latest interview with the "associated

press" he is saying it again as the job more massive and the task more complicated and the media more nasty than he expected. it goes back to the moment when he said this about his soon to be doomed plans for repealing and replacing obamacare. >> i have to tell you it's an unbelievably complex subject. >> reporter: on topics he professed to know well such as containing north korea's nuclear ambitions he admits being mistaken. he thought china could help, but after listening for ten minutes i realize it's not so easy. from dealing with the budget to appointing a white house staff, through a variety of reports and sources the president has expressed surprise at all the job entails. >> good morning, everybody. >> reporter: even on his specialty commerce, after meeting with business leaders to discuss his ideas about growing jobs and shrinking taxes, listen to what he said.

>> a bigger thing that surprised me is the fact we'll be cutting regulation massively. >> reporter: no one is ready for it, but the events of the past few months have underscored when you have no experience in government it is a job that can be filled with surprises. >> all right. thank you. now the former president trump campaign strategist is with me and former obama white house deputy chief of staff. thanks to both of you. you of course the author of "who thought this was a good idea and questions you shod have answers t whe you work in the whe house". you heard there the president called the job easy, so many parts about it easy from north korea to china to health care to the commerce department to the job itself, he says it is not so easy. did he fundamentally not understand the issues or the job? >> no, i think the president is a very bright individual. i think that the president is

used to going at the speed of commerce, at the speed of business, and wasn't prepared for the pace of the government. >> i would say that i probably prepared more for my interviews to be an intern than donald trump did if what he is saying is actually true. if he didn't realize after 1 1/2 years on the road campaigning this was a big and important job, i really don't know what else we can say. >> david. >> i mean, i don't know how to respond to that. i'm certain the president understood the massive nature of the presidency. >> he said he didn't. >> by all accounts the president's had an incredibly successful first 100 days as you know is a fictional number picked out of the sky. >> a number that he himself touted and put out a contract of things he said he would finish in those 100 days.

>> the president has accomplished some of those and he hasn't accomplished some of those. the stock market has been going buster and he's cuts regulations ande's got a supreme court justice confirmed quickly and easily. i think he's got a long list of accomplishmen accomplishments. >> let me ask you each about this interview that he gave with the ap. there were a lot of important things in there. of course, as we all know, both of you included, it is no secret that donald trump likes to brag about his ratings. here is what he said about his ratings. dickerson, the host, had 5.2 million people, it's the highest for deface the nation, it's the highest since the world trade center. since the world trade center came down. it's a tremendous advantage. comparing his ratings to those from the world trade center that he's proud these are the best sense then, does that give you

pause? >> the president is talking about television ratings? there's lots of things. there's a 40-plus page view interview. in the interview the president said we're not after the dreamers. we're after the bad guys and criminals. there's lots and lots of content in this interview with the ap that i think should be highlighted and he's talking about ratings. i wouldn't put too much on that. >> i guess i would say that given it's ten days after sean spicer made an inartful comparison to the hola caucost a press briefings, you would think the president would be more sensitive. >> there's a really long nice interview with ap. i'd encourage you to read it. >> i read it. >> veryositive tngs you can talk about. i understand you're not here to

praise the president. you are part of the party that lost and i understand that. i think the president's done a great job in the first 100 days. his numbers across america amongst the base can be high. the democratic party and folks on the other side of the aisle like to point out the president's numbers aren't so great. >> the president was asked about wikileaks release of clinton campaign e-mails and he was asked if he supported what assange did. he said i don't support or unsupport. on the campaign trail it was clear he supported it. here he is. >> wikileaks, i love wikileaks. the press is hardly even talking about wikileaks. you know that wikileaks is amazing. the sad part is we don't talk about wikileaks because it's incredible, but wikileaks just came out with a lot of new ones. it would be wonderful if these

very dishonest people back there would talk about it. >> that's pretty unthenthusiast support. >> i think it's campaign rhetoric. i think the president -- you see the attorney general now moving in a certain direction. i don't put a lot of credibility into campaign rhetoric. you can talk about it on a wide variety of issues and i don't -- i don't particularly put any great deal of force behind that. >> your response? >> i guess i would say he did say i love wikileaks. i think the bigger problem is i'm okay if someone learns on the job and evolves their opinion respect but to say you it,hat's the point of making a statement. >> which is an interesng thing because what is the answer to that? >> and just -- i'll go back about if you want to talk about

supporting statements, i'll refer to the former president obama where we talked about drawing a red line in the sand on syria. the president made a definitive statement about if the syrian government used chemical weapons against their people there would be dire consequences and the u.s. involvement and the president didn't get involved. this president made a statement and followed up. i think that's much more important than a comment about wikileaks. >> all right. i was going to go, but i'm going to give you a chance to respond is this there's a difference between evolving like the president did on syria and a strange statement on whether he supports or unsupports wikileaks. >> thank you both very much. i appreciate your time tonight. next, earth to outer space, president trump makes a phone call on the true gravity of the situation. we just mentioned barack obama. he is back taking center stage today. why today? and when we're not in those rooms? we want our shows to go with us.

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president barack obama back makes his first public speech since leaving office. he did not mention trump by name, focusing on students getting into politics. >> the single most important

thing i can do is to help in any way i can to prepare the next generation of leadership to take up the baton and to take their own crack at changing the world. columnist for "the new york times." he's been pretty quiet, right? he did come out about the travel ban very early, but he's been very quiet. >> he was off in the south pacific. >> getting celebrity pictures, but he is now back. are we going to see more of him? >> i suspect that he will periodically raise his voice on issues he cares about, but i think that he will apparently avoid weighing in right and left and i think that's partly because of a sense that presidents should be differential to those that succeed him as george w. bush was and feeling that it wouldn't be effective and it would create a backlash. >> that's why i mentioned he was vocal on the travel ban. he approximaput that statement he thought that was

inappropriate. he's going to be in berlin on the very same day that donald trump is going overseas for the first time in his presidency for the nato meeting in brussels. is that coincidence? that certainly is going to be a really challenge to his predecess predecessor. >> i don't know about the logistics of arranging that, but that's the occasion where president obama doesn't need to say anything. there's a steady contrast in how they react and how they're received. that's a case where i think standing tall may be more effective than some kind of enunsation. >> there are many in the democrat party who want more of him. the democratic congressman, he slammed obama the other day. let me play for you what he said. >> barack obama could have been

a better party leader and i think that the fact that he wasn't has put his legacyn jeopdy. >> well, i don't think that president obama is speaking out dramatically against trump is going to change the mind of republicans out there. and that's what fundamentally counts. i think that obama is right if he can galvanize new people to get involved and run for the state legislator, that is going to be more effective than jumping up and down. >> do you see it as he is still the leader of the democratic party. >> i don't think there is a leader of the democratic party and i don't think president obama wants to be or will fill that role and i doubt we will see a leader of the democratic party until a nominee is chosen in 3 1/2 years. >> we've been talking about obviously trump's budget. as part of that you've been doing a lot of reporting. you have some real specific

concerns. >> absolutely. there was a lot of debate about things that trump said about women, derogatory comments he made. what i was seeing was the effects of his policies and cutting funds to the u.n. population fund and to aid groups that are in some way connected to abortion. it's more women dying of cervical cancer and dying in childbirth. i think the same is going to happen in this country is planned parenthood is defunded, which did 270,000 cervical cancer screenings last year. i hope that those in the pro-life community will understand that if you're trying to reduce the number of abortions, thaen your allies should be those supporting birth control like the u.n. population fund. >> all right. thank you. next, president trump's budget cuts. could they lead to contaminated

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new tonight, racing against the clock, president trump's white house scrambling for a deal to avoid a government shutdown. jason caroll is out front. >> reporter: out on the campaign, then candidate donald trump made it one of his priorities. >> we want crystal clearwater. i have won many environmental awards, by the way. >> reporter: and he repeat first-degree promise. >> we want clean air and we want clean water. >> i think the feeling is one of a little bit of shock and surprise. >> reporter: part of this man's

job is to maintain the wet lands, which isn't easy. tori says protecting all this would be impossible given trump's 2018 budget proposal to slash the environmental agency's budget by 30%. it includes eliminating the $300 million for the great lakes restore ration initiative. trump's proposing to cut 50 million from glri's budget this year to help finance projects including the border wall. >> it was kind of surprising. i mean, the glri has been a bipartisan program. it was really a shock to see it go down to something. >> reporter: reducing the funding will cause environmental

havoc. the wet lands -- 20% of the world's fresh water comes from the great lakes. all too often, we have seen the devastating results of what happens when polluted runoff get into the lake. >> there's no place on the lake that we could go to that we were not sitting in very green water. >> reporter: david spangle's has been fishing the great lakes for decades, and he says that he depends on those funds to. >> all of the water that go into the water treatment facility in toledo, the water comes out of this facility here. >> reporter: this was a spot that was covered by a toxic algae bloom, the blooms triggered by contaminated runoff. it was so bad the bloom could be seen from space.

great lakes swing states like ohio and michigan helped trump get to the white house, trump supporters such as michigan's mccomb candidate -- >> on this one, he's hit a wrong note and i hope that he will reconsider. >> reporter: she says she believes ultimately the cuts will not happen, david spanglr s isn't so sure. david hopes that these wet lands and all those who rely on their well-being depends on it. we reached out to the epa, the e epa says scott pruitt is looking to run the department in a much more cost effective way. and there's also bipartisan

support to keep funding great lakes. president trump called an astronaut in space and it got personal. here's jeanne moos. >> reporter: she holds the record for female astronauts space walks, he was about to have his first talk, they counted down the president. 10, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one, zero and lift off. >> station, this is your president, do you hear me? >> reporter: this was really long distance. >> do you hear me? >> yes, sir, we hear you loud and clear. >> well, that's what we like, american equipment that works. >> reporter: president trump called international is space station commander peggy whitson for breaking the record for the

longest an american astronaut has stayed in place. >> 542 days and counting. >> reporter: commander whitson noted some of the space station's scientific achievements. >> we're also cleaning up our urine and making it drinkable. but it's not as bad as it sounds. >> reporter: some asked if ivanka trump was there and a five-second delay didn't make asking questions easy. for once the view from the oval office was eclipsed. the station station showcased another astronaut floating in and out of the background. and when the president asked for

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and thanks to all for joining us, you can see outfront any time on cnn go. we begin tonight keeping them honest, with the white house pushing back on the 100th day coming up in office. friday is the last day for congress to fund a budget before a government shutdown. white house press secretary sean spicer was asked about the 100-day benchmark and here's what he said. >> i think we feel very proud of what we have been able to accomplish and fulfill some of the promises to the american people. but that 100-day number is an artificial number that gets thrown out. >> as