the president attacking the court ruling to cut funding. >> political tlits chreats canne away our rights. >> sanctuary cities are deciding not to enforce federal law. >> do you believe michael flynn broke the law? >> you simply cannot take money from russia, turkey or anybody else. >> no one should hold back on what flynn has done. >> produce documents that were not in possession of the white house is ridiculous. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to "new day." up first, president trump taking on another federal judge and another court ruling after a third legal setback with the immigration order. this time, the administration accusing the federal judge of overreach for blocking the efforts to withhold billions in federal funds from sanctuary cities. the president calling the ruling

ridiculous. another top story. lawmakers on both sides say former national security adviser michael flynn may have committed a crime. he failed to disclose payments from foreign evntities while trying to get clearance to work in the white house. we have the latest with cnn's joe johns at the white house. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. the first 100 stdays ending wita tussle. the tweets this morning are critical of the judges and ninth circuit and roefeferring to ridiculous rulings. the president saying we will see s you in the supreme court. if the court gets the case, indicating the white house would win. the white house blasting a fer d federal court ruling after blocking the executive order to

strip federal funding from the so-called sanctuaries cities. citing trump words. >> i don't want to defund anybody. i want to give them the money they need to operate as a city or state. if they have sanctuary cities, we may do that. >> reporter: in a scathing statement, the white house calls judge orrick an egrigieo surks overruling and having the blood of dead americans on their hands. >> unconsciotitutional threat against the cities. >> reporter: hours earlier, the white house chief of staff reince priebus asserting the ninth circuit which blocked the first travel ban is going bananas. a far cry from the justice department's subdued response. this is not the first time the president has personally

attacked a federal judge. >> somebody said i should not criticize judges. okay. >> reporter: earlier this year, he criticized federal judge james robard for halting the travel ban. and during the campaign, then candidate trump repeatedly said judge curiel could not handle the trump university case because he was mexican. he was born in indiana. >> he is a hostile judge. >> this judge is of mexican herita heritage. >> reporter: this comes as the bipartisan leaders contend that the former national security adviser michael flynn may have broken the law by not properly reportedturkey. >> he was supposed to get permission and record it. he didn't. >> he did take the money.

there are repercussions for the violation of law. >> reporter: the white house pressed repeatedly for the first named adviser always with him on the campaign trail. >> there will always be a case where people with prior clearance between the time they filled it out and adjudicated and whether or not they updated that is the onus on the individual. >> reporter: a jam packed agenda on the white house today. among other things, expected to roll out the big tax plan. all 100 members of the senate are expected to come over to the white house complex to get a briefing on north korea. members of the house of representatives are expected to get a similar briefing on capitol hill later today. alisyn and chris. >> thank you, joe. president trump reacting to the sanctuary cities ruling on twitter. posting moments ago. the ninth circuit rules against the ban and now sanctuary cities. see you in supreme court.

let's discuss with the panel. we have david gregory and abbey phillip. political reporter chris cillizza. let's replay one more time for our listeners what it was that president trump said. the language he used with someone named bill o'reilly on fox just last month. >> i don't want to defund anybody. i want to give them the money they need to operate as a city or state. if they have sanctuary cities, we may have do that. that would be a weapon. >> david gregory, it sounds that word, that would be a weapon for us to use, is what sort of raised the eyebrow of the judge. let me read this ruling. if there was doubt of the scope of the order, the president and attorney general erased it with their public comments. the president called it a weapon against jurisdiction that disagree.

his press secretary reiterated that the president intends to ensure counties and institutions that remain sanctuary cities don't get federal funding in compliance with the executive order. >> if you get underneath the political back and forth, the president is taking a political stand against sanctuary cities. those cities that want to defy the federal government on immigration. and that's a politically charged back and forth. then the question of who or not the executive in our country can use federal funds as a weapon or whether that is the role of congress. jeffrey toobin has been talking about it on the program so far. the difficult legal question. this will play out in the courts. what is true, this now has the president again in fits as he takes on the federal judiciary which is checking and balancing his attempt to put forward an immigration policy. >> cillizza, there is an

interesting irony of dovetailing of politics and law here. when it came to obamacare, the gop didn't like that there were strings put on federal money. they fought against kathleen sebelius in court. now they are doing the same thing. putting strings on federal money. that's the legal side. politically, for the president to go after the judiciary, especially with sanctuary cities, does it hurt? >> it will help with his base. no question. you will see a lot of supportive statements from republican members of congress today. less than sanctuaries -- that is a piece of it and part of the immigration debate that is one of the hottest parts. republican members of congress are with him on that. also because trump said in the tweet. judicial overreach. the republican base views it as judicial overreach.

if he needs a way to unite them or get them excited again, this is a way to do that. politically speaking, i hate to say it. policy wise, he wants us to go through another legal problem with immigration which is not good for him. from a policy perspective of getting things done. from a political aspect, this is a gift to him. >> that is right. abbey, so many are happy he is trying. the activist judges may be shutting him down. these are their words. i don't know they need him to score a win on it. how do you see it? >> i think for the time being failing to score a win is sufficient for his supporters who like you said are sort of looking at what the attempts are and saying he is doing exactly what he said he would do even if it doesn't stick around or isn't durable in the long term. at the same time, he is a

president and going to be judged by the impact of his policies. if the impact is effectively zero, then that is clearly not going to help him. this is one of the cases just like the travel ban where this administration has allowed their words to go far beyond whether it is the letter of the law or their ability in the executive branch and it hurts them. in one way they need to show more discipline in how they talk about policies so it can survive the legal or judicial check on them. they want to talk about it so much that they are basically undermining it in the process. at the end of the day, the president is judged by the impact on policies on people's lives lives. in this case, it is nothing because the sanctuary cities rule has not been in place. >> topic change.

michael flynn. let's play what the press secretary said about the accountability to the white house for what is discovered over michael flynn. lawmakers think he may have violated the law by not properly reporting money he was paid by russian russia connected entities. >> he asked for documents prior to january 20th. as you know through the constitution, we didn't assume the white house until january 20th at noon. we don't have the documents prior to assuming the white house. the third would be they listed every call and contact he made. that is an extraordinary number that's a very unwielding request. >> david gregory, how do they separate themselves from michael flynn? saying basically this was on obama. that's what i'm hearing. they said this was all before us.

michael flynn was trump's main guy. they begged him to join the administration. they say we didn't need to know about this. this all happened before. >> look, there is aspect of this that could fall into the realm of him holding back information in the vetting process. i don't think that objeabsolves white house on this issue. why didn't they pay attention to the guy influencing the candidate's foreign policy views who had ties to a foreign power. that foreign power, russia, which sought to manipulate the election in 2016. it is outrageous. and the same guy, general flynn, who wants immunity. we know why now, in schexchanger testimony. it is beyond ironic. it is a real black eye for this administration. this guy was dismissed from the

white house within days of becoming national security adviser. he is a big part of how donald trump as a candidate and president sees the world. >> chris cillizza, michael says he did disclose. here's the statement from his lawyer. general flynn briefed the agency regarding the russia rt speaking event. the trip before and after the trip. he answered questions posed by the d.i.a. >> well, alisyn, the one thing i'll say, you rarely see a republican member of congress talking about a person who was the national security adviser in a republican administration saying there's no evidence he complied with the law about michael flynn. that quote fromamazing how he p.

jason chaffetz just came from a classified briefing and willing to say that. the clip you played in the beginning, jason chaffetz says there are penalties for breaking the law. i talked to someone in the white house yesterday. they don't dispute the idea that michael flynn is in some deep, deep trouble. >> i just don't get how they say they didn't know about this. the reports about flynn have been out since he entered the fray with trump. people have been saying this. it is implausible to say we didn't know. this wasn't on us. >> the argument they made because i had a quote with them yesterday. the argument they made is the security clearance for michael flynn was approved under the obama administration. not under the trump administration. now, to david's broader point. the issue here is yes, that is an issue. the broader issue is why was

this guy who was trump's lead surrogate in the campaign, his first named adviser. why was this guy with all of these questions about russia that close to the president? >> abbey, how do you see this going? >> i think the white house is also trying very hard to withhold as much information as possible which would help them in the short-term. as we have seen in the process, a lot of the stuff comes out. it will be interesting to see if they decide to change strategy to get ahead of the story instead of being always chasing the tail on this one every day. >> panel, thank you very much. a big announcement on tax reform expected from the white house today. budget talks heating up ahead of friday's deadline ahead of a government shutdown. cnn's suzanne malveaux is live on capitol hill with more. >> reporter: good morning, chris. that announcement will be coming later this morning. it is a far cry from what we

heard from donald trump in the campaign trail saying wall street is getting away with murder. now the tax cuts go to businesses, potentially later to families and individuals. secondly, the spending cuts and tax cuts are going to be supported by greater economic growth. that is something that many economists say there is no evidence or support of. president trump's ambitious tax proposal expected to slash the top corporate tax rate to 15%. >> i don't want to confirm the actual numbers. >> reporter: this reduction likely to impact not only major corporations, but also owner operated companies like small businesses and larger ones like trump's own. multiple outlets reporting for a significant increase in the standard deduction you can claim on tax returns which could translate in thousands of tax

savings for millions of americans. economists say it means a massive increase in the national deficit. the administration is not expected to detail how they would pay for the cuts. saying only the spending is offset by economic growth. >> there will be growth on the other side. that's what this entire thing is key to do. >> reporter: house republicans are hoping to offset the cost with the border adjustment tax. the new york times and politico reporting that trump's plan nixes that idea. also not included, the $1 trillion in infrastructure spending the president promised during the campaign. >> we're like a third world nation. look at our airports and roads. our infrastructure is falling apart. >> reporter: president trump insisting tuesday he will make good on a different promise. the border wall. >> the wall will get built. >> reporter: although this week's must-pass spending bill now won't include the down

payment for the wall. >> is donald trump willing to sign a bill that does not include that cell phone. >> money. >> we insist on that. >> reporter: the budget director flatly rejecting the subsidy for obamacare be included in the spending bill. >> is the president willing to go along with that? >> reporter: those negotiations continue as house republicans try to revive repealing and replacing obamacare. last night, an amendment was floated. it was meant to bring moderates and conservatives together on the issue. at the center of that is whether or not insurance companies would have to pay for insurance for pre-existing conditions. that is a non starter for many moderates. >> that say big one. suzanne, thank you. there is another legal setback in the president's first 100

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the trump administration facing another legal challenge to one of his executive orders. a federal judge in san francisco stopping the president's order that aimed to cut federal money to sanctuary cities. the third legal setback in the first 100 days. joining us to discuss this is republican senator david perdue of georgia. are you surprised this judge blocked the order? >> i'm not surprised. it is a technicality. the president is trying to enforce federal law. i find it ironic, the judge is in the city where kate stein was murdered by an illegal immigrant. we have to stop this. we have to have cities honoring federal law.

that is all the president is trying to do. >> you heard the argument. if you cut funding, it hurts police forces to do their job. they need to work with the immigrant community. even the illegal immigrant community. >> whatever we have to do, we have to stop this. we cannot have felons killing u.s. citizens. that city would have turned them over to federal authorities. alisyn, you and i are called every day to obey the law. i applaud the president for trying to rein this in. this should have been done a long time ago. >> you support the president. what grade do you give him? how do you rate him as we approach 100 days? >> i think to answer the question. you look at what he said he would do. job one is trying to grow the economy. he is pulling back on the regulatio regulations. he is trying to move into a tax

program to encourage growth. i believe he is moving at a business pace. not a government pace. i love the people in the cabinet. i think he is developing priorities. he is operating as a decisive leader. what we have done internationally is engage the international community. he met with president xi from china and talked about the problems in china. this is a president that is reengaging with the world and trying to get the economy going. i think he is accomplishing what he said he would do. >> what is the grade? >> oh, "a" plus so far. >> okay. let me put up a list he promised to do in the first 100 days. he promised to repeal obamacare. that has failed thus far. he promised to build the border wall. incomplete. still working on that. he just seems to shift his timeline on that. you know the travel ban was shot

down. that will list as a fail. success withdraw from tpp. success. get the conservative judge on the supreme court. and tax reform. that is incomplete. he will label china a currency manipulator. that is fail. >> alisyn, consumer confidence is at a 20-year high. ceo confidence is at a 20-year high. what these people are looking at the results of the first 100 days, they see hope. they see this president is serious about rolling back the regulations. they are looking at a president talking about doing the things we talked about for decades about cleaning up the tax system. becoming competitive with the rest of the world. we have to lower the tax rate corporately and get rid of the corporate welfare.

with regard to health care, this is not a failure. this is on the hands of u.s. congress. we are not operating cohesively. we have to get together. democrats, conservatives. everybody has to get together to solve this. health care will collapse. obamacare is collapsing under its own weight. alisyn, my home state, we have 96 county out of 159. some have one care carrier in the private sector. if that goes away, what do they do? >> yes. senator, let me ask you about the taxes. the president will make announcement this week. if he lowers the tax rate from 35% for the corporate rate to 15%, the tax policy center says that grows the national debt and revenue by $2.4 trillion over ten years.

are you comfortable with increasing the debt? >> here is what i'm comfortable with. we have $20 trillion of debt. this is why i ran for the united states senate. >> you are a debt and deficit hawk. how can you get on board? >> here is what you have to do to solve the debt crisis. you cannot cut your way out of it. you can't tax your way out of it. you have to grow your way out. you have to get the economy going. job one is growing the economy. we have to move toward fixing our broken budget process. alisyn, you know in the congress, we are called to appropriate and fund the government every year. we have to pass 12 appropriation bills. the average over the last 42 years. that is republican administrations in congress. we averaged 2.5. this is a fraud perpetrated by the american people. i have been calling this out since i got here. that is what the president wants to get toward. simplif

simplify. >> agreed. what if it increases the debt? >> in the short-term, i'm willing to do that if it means we will solve the long term bed crisis. the bond markets would accept a long term strategy to solve the debt crisis. you will not solve this in ten years. you will not balance the budget as they call it in a ten-year cycle. the problem is social security and medicare. we have to save that over the long term. that is a 20 or 30 year fix. >> senator, i know you will be part of the meeting. unprecedented to have the whole senate go to the white house. you will get briefed on north korea. what are you expecting and what are you advising the president about north korea? >> first, alisyn, i think your listeners should be encouraged that the president is engaging lead leaders. he invited democrats and republicans to the white house today. i expect him to give us a

demonstrative inside look of what they are thinking relative to north korea. we can put more pressure on north korea. i'm pleased with his conversation with president xi. i lived in hong kong and worked in china for years. i believe there is a way to rein in this mad man in north korea. >> thank you, senator david perdue. the white house about to unveil president trump's tax reform plan. you heard the discussion of the benefits. we will balance it out now with the facts. who's the new guy? they call him the whisperer. the whisperer? why do they call him the whisperer? he talks to planes. he talks to planes. watch this. hey watson, what's avionics telling you? maintenance records and performance data

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today is the day a lot of people have been waiting for. we will hear from the president about what his plan is to reduce your taxes. what is it going to be? who will had help? who will pay for it? we have former economic adviser jason furhman and former senior adviser steven moore. cut the corporate rate. make that extend to small businesses. many with pass-through entities. help with what people can do with their individual deductions. make the case for this tax cut.

>> well, we have to grow the economy. it is that simple. we're not creating enough jobs. the issues were jobs and the economy. we believe that this will be a very substantial stimulus to cause employers to hire more workers. not just hire more workers, but pay them more. the centerpiece is getting a business tax cut. many times i said on your show, it is common wisdom. the united states cannot go forward with the highest corporate tax rate in the world. jason who worked for president obama knows this. president obama proposed a corporate tax cut. couldn't get it done. i want to see this president do it. if businesses are doing better, they can may workers more and more employment in the country. >> jason. >> absolutely agree with steve. we need more economic growth. this plan would actually hurt our economic growth.

it would cost $7 trillion over the next decade. when you factor the impact on the economy, experts from university of pennsylvania wharton said it with lower the economic growth every the next two decades. it would end up hurting us. by the way, 51% of the benefits go to the top 1%. this plan is not about growing our economy. it would shrink our economy and give a larger share of the shrinking economy to the very we wealthy. >> stephen, it comes down to how you pay for the tax cut. you want to get health care done first within the trump administration and have savings to justify it. the idea of we will grow our way out of any of the definiaficit

results in there. how do you justify? >> i want to refer all your viewers to the piece in the wall street journal this morning which points we are growing at 1.8% for the last ten years. the congressional budget office says we will grow 1.8% for the next decade or two. i think jason would agree. you will not make progress reducing that deficit when you are growing at less than 2%. if we get it up to 3% or 4%, you see a big increase in tax revenue. i'm not saying the tax cut will pay for itself. i'm saying that if we don't get growth up, we will never make progress. every percentage point increase in growth we can get, we get $3 trillion less debt over a decade. jason, i don't agree with your numbers on this. >> i think you agree conce

conceptually, you will deal with the fiscal issues. the deal is, jason, do you agree that these tax cuts are the key to growing the economy more rebur robustly than now? >> we should lower the corporate rate, but we should pay for it. we cannot afford to lower to 15%. there is no way to pay for that. we should also be investing in infrastructure and scientific research and education. all of those things were cut in the budget that president trump already put forward. he is cutting investment in the future and cutting investments in the economic growth. the sad thing about all this is this won't pass, steve. this won't do what you want it to do. this plan is to the right of where speaker ryan is. a month ago, we heard that president trump would reach out and work with democrats and put forward something on taxes and infrastructure. that would be good for the economy. it would have had a shot at

passing. this is coming to the right of the congress. this has as much chance economic growth would pay for this as mexico would pay for the wall. >> no political cheap shots here. there is a suggestion that the goldman sachs guys have won. the wall street guys that trump has around him have won. this is why this is helping corporations like his own and doesn't have the emphasis on the working men and women that people expected? fair criticism? if not, what justifies the shift to the big boys? >> so, look. i don't think that is a fair criticism. for one thing, i was back in february and march when we actually hatched this program. some changes to it. this is essentially what donald trump ran on. before any of the goldman sachs people involved. there has not been a major shift. what donald trump said from day one. i want to bring corporate taxes down and simplify the tax code.

that's what this does. i would say this on growth. we all agree we need more growth. we tried it jason's way and president obama's way over the last ten years. we had a massive increase in debt. we doubled the national debt. we didn't get growth. it is time to, jason, in my opinion, try something new. what happened under barack obama was a weak recovery. people are still worried about their jobs and future of the country. frankly for obama people to say we have to worry about the debt and $10 trillion to the debt. it rings hollow. >> they were coming out of epic recession/depression. >> that's true. you didn't get the growth. >> an argument to be made. >> we had a record streak of job growth. this country has ever had. most of that increase to the debt was in the first couple years as a result of that recession. the deficit came down 2/3. we need to do more.

steve, we're growing faster than most any other advanced economy in the world. clearly there is something right in the united states. >> people around the country -- >> that's right. that's how you end. it's true. we have to leave this discussion here. >> okay. if the economy did well, hillary clinton would be president, dave. it is that system. people wanted the change if policy. >> jason, stephen, thank you. alisyn. chris, the tensions with north korea are escalating by the day. how are u.s. troops and allies responding? we get a live report from south korea next. the of and the sety just like the marines did. the process through usaa is so effortless, that you feel like you're a part of the family. i love that i can pass the membership to my children. we're the williams family, and we're usaa members for life.

north korea's threats growing more provocative. the u.s. and south korea are conducting joint military drills and deploying key erandle eelem missile defense system. we have cnn's paula hancocks joining us live from seoul. >> reporter: chris, these drills happen every year. the u.s. tells us they take months to play. they are not reacting to anything that is happening right now on the peninsula. it is a very clear message to north korea to be able to see the might of the two allies. massive fire power destroys an imagine area enemy. we show the world the damage of

the south korea and u.s. military could do. the u.s. and south korea insist they have no specific enemy in mind when carrying out the drills. it is simple not the way north korea sees it. actions speak louder than words for pyongyang. washington says the drills are routine and annual and defensive. pyongyang says they are provocative and hostile. north korea holding massive military drills to mark an important day tuesday. the 85th anniversary of the founding of the military, korea people's army. spring is often tense in korea. annual war games by the u.s. and south korea interpreted as practicing for invasion. without training, the u.s. military says it won't be ready to fight tonight as their motto says. >> it is central. the only way we will be able to fight is train like we fight.

>> reporter: the "uss michigan" docked at pusan port on tuesday, described as routine and show of force within the u.s. military. "the uss carl vinson" heading back to the region and u.s. missile defense system thaad is arriving in pieces and to be fully operational as soon as possible. unmistakable build up of u.s. military assets and no matter how routine this live-fire drill may be, it is an image that is not lost on north korea. so these joint military drills between the u.s. and south korea last for two months. they end at the end of this month. it is very unlikely that is when the tensions will end and i infuriated north korea. when you see how much military hardware is here right now.

alisyn. >> paula, thank you for bringing us those pictures. another provocative action by the iranian ship in the persian gulf. it came within 1,000 yards of the u.s. war ships with the systems banned. you ready? you have to see this. a research team is creating a device that mimics a pregnant mammal's womb. they made a womb. the medical journal reported a fetal lamb successfully grew in the device for 28 days. ultimate goal is to test this on humans one day. to help keep preemies healthy. they made a womb. >> i'm getting that. it is a brave new world. >> that's what comes to mind. can you believe some day they will grow us in bags like that.

>> sometimes technology out paces ethics and imagination. that's what's happening. >> it's a huge discussion. legally and ethically and who we are as people. we see it in movies. that ain't a movie. meanwhile, back here. severe storms packing the threat of tornadoes moving across the country. cnn meteorologist chad myers has the forecast. >> alisyn, you bet. a chance of severe weather today all across arkansas and arklatex. this weather is brought to you by xyzal. relief. try xyzal. this is the day we get the severe weather popping up across arkansas, mississippi, alabama and parts of georgia in the overnight hours. i believe other than tornadoes, the real threat today will be wind. wind at 80 or 90 miles per hour can do as much damage as a small tornado. this is a spring type day.

look at the storms from paducah to shreveport and almost new orleans by 7:00 tonight. raking across that part of the country. the warm side, chris, it is not that warm. sill in the 60s. by saturday and sunday, 82 degrees. nice across northeast for the weekend. >> they are growing a lamb in a bag. >> i heard. amazing. truly. as a scientific mind, it blows me away. >> as a non scientific mind, i'm blown away equally so. chad. thank you. ivanka trump. we know she has a big job within the white house. we just don't know what it is. what she told reporters next.

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first daughter, ivanka trump, ended up being on the defensive about her role at the white house. she was in berlin, germany with

angela merkel and she struggled to describe it. >> i am rather unfamiliar with this role as well. i am humbled to be here to engage in dialogue to learn, to bring the advice, to bring the knowledge back to the united states, back to both my father and the president. >> she was also sort of booed or at least a little bit hissed at over her father's commitment to women's issues. >> you see the reaction from the audience. >> let's discuss it with our cnn commentators. why can't ivanka spell out in a more definitive way what she's doing when she travels overseas? >> well, i think it's pretty clear what she's doing.

she's advising the president, just like president obama had advisors of people that were close to him came in in a senior advisory role. she advises on a mere yad of issues. i think she gets a lot of cre t criticism. but i think what people don't realize or sometimes forget is that you have your experts. you have your specialists. you have general kelly and mattis and these are the experts. but then you have your sounding boards. you have steve bannon and ivanka. you have the people that surrounded you in the campaign and got you to where you are. that is her role, as compared to the role of a specialist. >> haley just did a better job of defining it than ivanka has. and we understand that he needs a sounding board and he trusts

his daughter. and that's great. but it was just a moment where it gave people pause because she's representing the president when she's overseas and by definition she's representing all of us. she's representing america. >> i think this is a learning moment, certainly a lesson for her that she needs to get a tight answer for that question. it's like when somebody is running for president, you know they are going to get asked why are you running for president. there are certain 101 for dummy questions you are going to get asked when you are in these positions. one of them is what do you do? who are you? why are you doing this? i think she's learned her lesson from this and she needs to have a tight answer that can even compass a large portfolio. >> but beyond the messaging problem that i'm sure she'll figure out, but is it okay she is going on international trips as a sounding board for her

father? are we comfortable with that role that she represents the united states? >> this is a unique situation, right? the first lady is not very visible. obviously, we've got a president who is very used to working with his daughter by his side, who trusts her advice and likes having her. she also got invited by angela merkel, so it's not like she inserted herself in there. at that point she had two choices, either say no to the german chancellor or attend. i think if she's going to attend, she should have known and she should have been better prepared. her staff should have done a better job in preparing her for tough questions she got yesterday. >> one of the tough questions she got or at least it was an awkward moment that came up about her father's attitudes basically towards women. let me play for you one more time how she tried to explain it. >> he's been a tremendous champion of supporting families and enabling them to thrive in a

new reality of -- >> you hear the reaction from the audience. >> so, i mean, is it hard, kailey, for her to make the argument that he has been a tremendous supporter of women? >> look, it's hard in a sense that she knows something that none of us know. she's seen donald trump as a father. she has seen president trump as a businessman, as a ceo. none of us have had that experience. none of us know one-on-one how he operates, how he treats women in the workplace. she can vouch for that, but the argument comes down to take my word for it. i've seen it. it is a hard case to make. i think she did it well, particularly when you are being jeered at by the audience. they took the low road in my opinion. she took the high road and i think she handled that very, very well. that's a tough situation when you have part of the audience booing at you and i think she did a good job.

it is a hard case to make, but i think she did well. >> also a tough case to make when we know the context and we know some of the other things about that, for instance, access hollywood. >> one of the things about the 2016 campaign is that it got so much attention all over the world. i have no idea how they translated some of those words into german and the other languages. but all the ridiculous things we heard him say in english i'm sure were heard all over the world, particularly in europe. >> and now send ivanka to defend it. >> she's got no choice but to defend her father. what is she going to do, right? she is his daughter first and she is his staffer as well. that is her job, but it is also her role as a daughter. but, you know, defending donald trump in front of a bunch of german women, at least they didn't have tanks, but it cannot be an easy thing to do. >> do you think she needs to come up with a better answer

than he has been a tremendous supporter of women and families? >> look, i think, you know -- i think the best thing to do is to acknowledge some of the things that we all heard. >> you do? you think his daughter should say something? how does that sound? >> how does that sound? i know that during the campaign we heard and saw certain things that were very troublesome. they were very troublesome to me as his daughter as well, but that is not the donald trump i know. the donald trump i know who i've seen as a boss and a father is this and this and this. but, yeah, you've got to acknowledge it. don't tell them he is fit when we all have heard him not be. >> that is a good line. you might be eligible for first daughter. i'm sorry. we're out of time. >> not in this administration. >> thank you, ladies. we're following a lot of news. let's get to it. >> we all have a duty the confront in justice, even when it emanates from the