million actually won the lottery that year. all applicant's luck may run out. the visa program currently faces elimination under bills before both the house and the senate. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. . welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is a look at how the media really works and how the news gets made. we are live in washington with one of the most powerful people in journalism, dean mckay standing by to join us. plus i'll have fresh reporting on the federal probe into fox news. is there a major management shakeup in the works? first, president trump playing attack the messenger again, lobbying an insult to the washington press corps from 121

miles away. >> let's rate the media's 100 days. they are a disgrace. media outlets like cnn and msisc are fake news. take the totally failing "new york times." they write nasty editorials and op-eds. the washington media is part of the problem. i think we would all agree the media deserves a very, very big fat failing grade. >> those boos are meaningful because the boos mean trump's venomous talk is resonating with his fans. trump's anti-media attacks are not really news. they're the opposite of new. they're a copy and paste from the campaign. reince priebus saying changes to the libel laws are easier to sue

news outlets. moments ago jon karl asked priebus about it on "this week." >> is he really going to pursue that? is that something he wants to pursue? >> i think it's something we've looked at and how that gets executed and whether that goes anywhere is a different story. i think that newspapers and news agencies need to be more responsible with how they report the news. >> saturday night was all about the exercise of first amendment rights, both trump's and the media's. i'm wearing a pin that every member at the dinner received. that was last night. now it's sunday morning and there's a new chill in the air. joining me carl bernstein who spoke at the dinner last night. next to him, lynn sweet from "the chicago-sun times." jason miller, cnn political commentator. and tara palmieri, white house correspondent for plitt ka.

we wa thanks for being here. on this comment from reince priebus, i think it's significant that he's saying, yes, we are looking at whether we can seek to change libel laws? >> this is part of an attitude, regardless of whether they're really going to seek such a change. and the attitude was expressed in trump's speech last night which is the most venomous speech by an american president that i have heard in more than 50 years of reporting. venomous towards the press. venomous towards legitimate political opponents, and it was a road map of a venomous state of mind that ought to concern all americans of good will, particularly republicans. attacking the press -- first of all, let's look at how trump got to be president. a lot of the institutions that he's attacking are the reason he's president of the united states, not to mention cable news and the "new york times" which gave him great attention that he loved when he was a candidate for president.

he doesn't like opposition. he is an authoritarian. he doesn't understand the constitution of the united states. and what is news is partly that republicans who have talked to him, we need to do the reporting talking to republicans who will tell you, tell us as reporters, we have a president of the united states that does not understand the constitution of the united states, who is ignorant of our history, and who, in fact, is somebody we are deeply concerned about his state of how he is temperamentally approaching the presidency and whether he is temperamentally fit to be president. >> are you talking about his mental health? >> i'm not going to get into defining things. >> what has he done that's authoritarian? >> used the bully pulpit of the presidency to whip up anti-democratic lower case strategies for dealing with free

principles of this country that go back for centuries and trying to undermine them through an authoritarian view of policy, of how we look at our population, at how we look at our immigrants, how we look at the press and the first amendment. you can go through chapter and verse of what this candidate's positions were in terms of traditional american democratic lower case values and what he has done and said as president. he has indeed shifted his positions in terms of real politics on many issues that his base might disagree with because he's been facing reality in the capitol of the united states politically in some ways. donald trump remains the same person he has been through his whole adult life. that's the story. >> you've heated up a pretty cold studio already, carl, talking about an authoritarian. i know you disagree, jason. lynn, you're covering the white

house in washington every day. do you see that as well as someone on this beat every day? >> i see that the constant stream of misinformation that comes out, whether in a speech last night on details small and large, that's the issue and that's the challenge for journalists is to figure out a way to effectively tell people what's going on in a way that is so puersuasive and airtight tha this is the case. we're not even talking about whether or not you like the policy, if it's good or bad policy. even last night in trump's speech, he said incorrectly, everyone who's at that washington dinner is hobnobbing with hollywood celebrities. the story is how celebrities didn't come to the dinner. and if people in the audience even kind of used their common sense which you're always allowed to do, gee, how could he know who's at the dinner if he's not there. i know i'm being literal, jason, and you can scold me on that, but do take me seriously that when there is misinformation,

whether or not it's -- i agree with the points that carl was making about this, but as somebody who has to figure this out every day, that to me is the first challenge. what is misinformation and let's just set the record straight and move on from there. >> my point is not as a partisan but as a journalist, the things that i'm talking about are the real underlying story that we need to be looking at and the kinds of things that bob woodward and i talked about last night. >> let's play that sound bite from last night, bob woodward and jeff mason talking about the responsibility and the rights of a free press. here's that clip from last night. >> mr. president, the media is not fake news. [ applause ] we are not failing news organizations, and we are not the enemy of the american people. >> and that much is obvious, but

jason, does it mean the president's winning, that we've got some of the top journalists in the country standing up and saying we're not the enemies, that they're using his language and rhetoric? >> i think the media really played into this whole cultural divide that we're seeing and the fact that i think too many in the mainstream media just don't understand and can't digest what happened last fall with the election. i think too many in that room last night still fundamentally look at trump supporters as if they're a bunch of rubes and they can't understand -- >> not true in that -- >> hold on. let me finish up. you got to let me finish up. the president, i think, is absolutely right to criticize the media whose coverage of him so far is 89% of it has been negative. you see story after story. >> you're citing a conservative group only looking at the three nightly newscasts. >> i got to say that they've

improved because it was at 91% during the campaign, so at least the media -- >> he gets up there, he misstates the stat. >> brian, you got to understand, there's a broader cultural pushback and the fact that the media last night was standing there criticizing the president -- look, i love satire and breaking people's chops. i like funny things as well but you could tell last night there were a couple funny lines but it was so personal and such a twisting of the -- >> you mean from the comedian. >> yeah, but you could tell just under the breaths of a number of people who were speaking last night how much hate and contempt there was towards the president -- >> carl was -- >> i wish this president well. he is the duly elected president of the united states and he deserves the respect as the duly elected president of the united states. that doesn't mean he deserves not to be called on a lie. he has lied as no president of the united states in my lifetime has day in and day out. it is our job to look as i said

in that address to the correspondents last night, follow the money, yes, but follow the lies as well. >> this is -- >> let me just finish here, jason. your point about being -- the whole idea that the media is opposed to this president, the media, quote, seems to me is engag engaged in what i called last night the best attainable version of the truth. we are struggling to cover factually, contextually with nuance who this president is, who his family is, who his business relationships are with, what his policies are, and how those working with him are doing. foreign policy, domestic policy. >> carl, it pains the media to give the president any credit for the work that he's done. >> nonsense. you are utter nonsense. >> this is not nonsense, carl. >> let me get to tara. you're a political correspondent.

do you feel that you're the opposition to the president? >> i think that we are the watch dogs. we are the fact checkers, the people holding him to account. >> does it pain you to give him credit? >> no. actually, i think that his push in the past week to try to make it seem like there was a lot of action ahead of his 100 days was actually masterful marketing. he got us talking about nafta. he got us talking about his tax reform plan, even if it meant that his staff was scrambling all weekend to come up with a plan. he was able to change the conversation. he is a masterful marketer. i will give him that. but we also do need to hold him to account. that's our job as journalists. >> what do we do to bridge this divide then if a lot of folks feel, as jason feels, that the press hates the president and has contempt for him? you're saying, no, that's not true, we're trying to do our jobs. how do we bridge that? >> i would think for the moment that's a big question. even if we don't have the answer, it doesn't mean that day to day we do what we're supposed to do, which is to report and give out the facts. jason, if you were a reporter and you heard something that

wasn't true and you know it from a variety of ways, either a document or fact or interview, what would you do? >> absolute -- it's absolutely the job of the press -- >> what would you do? i'm curious? would you write a story, say something? >> when the press reports accurately on the facts and pushes back, even if i don't like it, don't disagree with it, that's your job. >> i'm just curious, you're the reporter -- bear with me. if you're reporting, maybe i would get an insight from you. what would you do, you're covering mayor brian right now. he says something that's not true and he's the mayor of a big city, you're the reporter, what would you do? >> i would say call him out but get your facts right. >> we get them right. >> but take a look -- >> let's take a look at the president's address to congress and the coverage of it which declared him in the mainstream media pretty much one of the great presidential addresses of all time, might have gone a

little overboard. we have been, seems to me, gone looking for good things to say about this president. >> that's interesting. >> the opposite -- >> i would disagree with you guys on that. >> why don't you go look at some of the clips of the coverage of his address to congress and then come back to me and tell me that's not the case. >> a story from anonymous sources popped just a few hours later to step all over the president's great speech. >> let's talk about this. you did this the last time we were together about anonymous sources. you have been an anonymous source for most of your practicing life. come on, jason. cut this stuff out. anonymous sources are the basis of most truthful reporting that has gone on on investigative basis about presidents of the united states, republican and democrat, for the last 50 years. again, it's based on anonymous sources because people like yourself, when you are an anonymous source, do not want to be quoted by name when you are

trying to tell us your version of the truth. and i accept that it's your version of the truth and i accept you as an anonymous source. but let's not hide from being one if you are going to call out anonymous sources. i'm going to say, jason, tell us your life is an anonymous source. >> push back on that and say if the facts are accurate but when it's innuendo and rumor that's being pushed out there, i think that's completely ridiculous. this goes back to my initial point about the cultural divide and the fundamental misunderstanding of the press -- >> i agree about the cultural divide. >> when you saw the rally last night in harrisburg and saw the president talking about the efforts to protect steel jobs and aluminum jobs, there's a reason why the president only lost union households 51 to 43. >> absolutely. he connected with those people. >> right. and he's -- >> hillary clinton did not connect with those people and

recognize in a way that hillary clinton did not that these people are hurting. >> yes. >> and he ran a brilliant campaign. >> i don't want to litigate the election but to me the lead story of that rally, jason, was the snake. the president reading this poem, clearly -- let's not mince words. he was reinforcing fear of immigrants, refugees and potential terrorists. that's a story he told on the campaign trail, but now he's telling it as president. i'm going to take the privilege of the host to take a break here, bring every back after a quick break talking about trump's interviews this week and much more. stay tuned. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪

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do you ever feel like every single day is a replay of election day, that this country is reliving november 8th on an endless loop. this week felt a bit like the campaign season. trump did nine interviews, sitting down with 8 different media outlets, spanning cable tv, network tv, including his last interview of the week today airing on cbs with john bickerson. his p.r. tour created a flurry

of news headlines. back with me to talk about it, carl bernstein, lynn sweet, tara palmieri and jason miller. ta tara, you were saying before the break you get a lot of feedback about your stories. politico hasn't had an interview with the president since inauguration day. >> we had an interview with the president to talk about how the team was getting along. >> do you find him to be accessible overall? >> he's definitely a very accessible president. you can tell that the past week he's been motivated by the news coverage of 100 days prior to what he said that he doesn't care, but he is very much driven by the press. he's decided to make these last-minute impulsive moves so that the press is kept chasing after him. he planned to announce at the rally yesterday that he was pulling out of nafta. that would have been the biggest story of the day. he's very masterful when it comes to manipulating the press. but from what i've heard internally from sources who are obviously willing to help us, they are happy to give us the real story, some people inside

of the administration, but they say that sometimes the tone is condescending and that's something to think about. >> condescending in your stories you mean, it comes across as condescending? >> right. it's a new administration. a lot of times we sometimes -- we try to provide balance and show during the first 100 of the obama administration there was also a level of chaos and during the bush administration and clinton liked to do things that are similar to trump. he had a similar personality in some ways. so we're trying to provide that perspective, but of course we look at the feedback and what they have to say. he says it's a well oiled machine. i think you can tell from the president's organized chaos as they say. we're trying to show you inside and we're getting feedback as well. >> i think the word condesce condescending is interesting because tone also came up at the white house correspondent's dinner. bob woodward was saying we have to get our tone right when we talk about this president. have we missed the mark sometimes in the first 100 days? >> yes, we have. as i said as well, our tone ought to be rep tore yal, and

the reporting should speak for itself and what we do especially is to try and determine what is news. i think one of the principle differences that the trump white house has with us is they don't like our determination of what is news. i would say that particularly given his speech last night which was not just about the press, that what is news is that we have a president of the united states that is not attempting to bring the country together but rather keeps playing to his base. and the fact of we are covering his russian connections or unconnections, we'll find out which and what extends to what, his conflicts of interest and his family's egregious conflicts of interest, the fact that we think these are important elements of the news are why we are under attack in part by the president of the united states.

there seems to be -- look, we have, as jason has said, a huge cultural divide in this country. we have almost a state of civic civil war in this country because of the deep divisions in the country politically and socially that have been exacerbated by this past election campaign. but the president, the real story now in that speech last night, is the president of the united states did nothing to bring the country together. he is going to his base time and time again, whipping the flames, rather than saying how can we unify. that's news. >> is there a civic civil war that we're in, do you think? >> i think that's a little too strong. obviously there's a cultural divide. here's part of the reason where i disagree with you. no longer is it a republican versus democrat. i think one of the things and i said this yesterday was that president reagan really revolutionized a party whereas president trump has revoluti revolutionized a political system. the way that he's fighting for

trade and trying to do something about these trade imbalances are impacting folks across party lines. when you talk about speaking to the base, that's not an idealogical base but these forgotten men and women. >> he talked about much more than that. look, when he talks about trade and jobs, he sounds like bernie sanders. there's no question about that. but that's different than the venom that is coming from the mouth of the president and the mind of the president of the united states. >> carl, i don't think it's fair -- >> let me get to tara. >> it's very obvious that president trump needs a straw man. he cannot actually continue without someone. he doesn't have clinton anymore and he needs the press. and the democratic party is even too weak to attack. >> needs the press. >> let me get this in here. last night i said that president nixon tried to make the conduct of the press, the issue in watergate, rather than the conduct of the president and his men. we are seeing that again. it is very disappointing for all

americans, i would hope, to see a president make the conduct of the press the issue in american life instead of real important existing policy, fact, et cetera. >> see, that's the whole thing. that's what people around the country see. >> many people do. >> the way they see him fighting for jobs, the way they see him standing up on the world stage, whether it be syria or north korea, that's my whole point. people outside of this new york and washington corridor, outside of the 24/7 cable news cycle, they see a president who's standing up for them. that's the thing that i don't think the press corps sees. >> one day of missile strikes. >> the way to get the story you want -- and i say this to everyone who's listening. i'm watching twitter comments here. >> fill us in. >> but the point is, you want to get the story, do something, get a vote, not just sign executive orders. have a sustained riff on tax

policy. we know -- managing messaging is not new. we just went through eight years of obama. they just did it a little more artfully and didn't leave as many fingerprints. >> let me take this back to the media. we were talking about the president's interview blitz. were there missed opportunities? let me show you from fox news friday night talking with the president. notice how the president is talking about taxes and then she changes the subject. >> i'm going to end up paying more than i pay right now in taxes, all right? i will pay more than i pay right now. the reason i'm going to pay more is because i lose all the deductions. i predict i will probably pay more than i'm paying right now. >> so your life pretty much changed completely after election day. how would you say the presidency has changed you? >> that was news right there. there's the president saying he's going to pay more. there's no reason to believe that's correct according to the

a.p.'s fact check and others. lynn, have there been missed opportunities, reporters not following up in these interviews? >> absolutely. the reporters who get these interviews have important historic pursua historic opportunities. i'm not saying every question has to be a hard-driven policy question, even if you want to go on the feature end about -- we always crave information about the president. jason, what does trump do when he goes to the white house at night and he's alone. does he do this, does he do that. what is he -- there's life-style things, policy things, too. when a man says -- who's made taxes, not releasing of his taxes, kind of a rallying cry for the base -- >> so -- >> let me spit this out, okay. when somebody says, yeah, i'd pay more, can you just take a moment and say, oh, you say you're going to pay more, mr. president, more than what? what do you mean? what kind of deductions do you think you get the most benefit

from? or, do you really use -- and this is a business reporter. the carried interest provision really benefitted you? i can think of a zillion reasons. >> reporters are always going to have more questions though, right? >> can we just say maybe one. she had none. >> tara, last word. >> i was going to say that he tells the story better probably than anyone else but he tells a very simple story and there are a lot of holes in it and it's our job to find the holes. unfortunately because his base, he tells these simple stories, a parable or a children's book to explain his story last night and i think that's why he can connect to people and we have to be better at telling our stories more compelling and we need to be able to show the holes in a way that is simple. >> those who are concerned about border security and terrorism, the images that we see on tv, they heard that parable and they knew exactly what he was speaking to about keeping them safe. they loved it. >> we have to show the other side of the parable. >> we could go on for hours but

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welcome back to reliable sources. i'm brian stelter let's cue up one of the sound bites from president trump's rally in pennsylvania last night, he was picking on one of his favorite targets, the "new york times." >> they're incompetent, dishonest people who, after an election, had to apologize because they covered it, us, me, but all of us. they covered it so badly that they felt they were forced to apologize because their predictions were so bad. >> that is not true but don't take it from me. dean baquet is here, the executive editor of the "new york times." i used to work at the "new york

times." dee we've been here before. the president has said that the "new york times" has apologized. >> in his grade for the first 100 days, that speech will not earn him the award for uplifting the american debate or discussion, that's for sure. look, it's made up. we didn't apologize. our coverage was tough, aggressive. it still is tough and aggressive. but he's making that up. he does that sometimes. i mean, i respect his right to disagree with us, but we're not failing. we're doing quite well. we're doing better financially right now than we have in a long time, and his portrait of us is just not accurate. >> this morning his chief of staff, reince priebus said the administration is, quote, looking into libel laws. he has threatened to sue your newspaper before, so what do you make of what priebus said today? >> i think what priebus said and what the president is doing

right now to be frank in regards to the media is dangerous. i think that he is portraying the media as his enemy. i think that he is making the media sort of the punching bag. and i think it illustrates perhaps not understanding the role of the media. we're supposed to be tough. we're supposed to ask him hard questions. i'm not sure he gets that. and i think the more he beats us up, to be frank, i think that's bad for the country. i think it's bad for the free flow of information and criticism, including criticism of him. >> sometimes people say, oh, it's not so bad, people are signing up for the "new york times" in record numbers, they're actually benefitting. you're saying forget about that, it's not good for the country when this happens. >> look, i'm taking the longview and the long view is the press has a very powerful role in a democracy. it's to ask hard questions, it's to question decisions to go to war. it's to question the president's taxes, ask hard questions about him. and i think when he does this

sort of game of making our questions less legitimate and less significant and less important, he's doing something that's dangerous for other presidents and other press. and i think it's troublesome. >> interesting. now, how do you try to then convince the majority of trump voters who stand with the president and not the media? all these polls show media distrust at all-time highs among his base. >> again, i take the long view. our job is to cover the country fairly, to try to understand what happened three months ago in the presidential election, to listen to people, to try to air all sides. and my own personal view is that whatever tensions there are right now, over the long haul, the press is going to be in good shape. and over the long haul, people want us to do our jobs and people on the left and the right in the end want us to do our jobs. >> originally, before the president's rally last night, we wanted to hear -- because you're running a new ad campaign. let me play one of the new ads and then ask you about it.

>> secrecy in government is not something that came around this year. we've seen secrecy grow across the years over several administrations of two different parties. as tiring and as frustrating as it can be, it's become more essential for journalists to provide accountability and transparency that we are seeing less and less of. i'm mark mazeti, jurmi isjournat for the "new york times." >> the times spending millions on these ads. what is the goal? >> first off, that ad is about the role of the press which is to ask tough questions of government, to file freedom of information act requests to dig deep and go deepest into the most fundamental decisions governments make. what we're trying to do is while we have a president who is essentially beating up the

press, we're reminding people of the historic role of the press. and that ads to me harkens not only to our coverage of the nsa but even the pentagon papers. it's a reminder of what we do under all presidents. >> and that all governments trying to keep a lot of secrets. our job is to try to figure out why and what those secrets are. >> that's right. >> let me ask you about this weekend's controversy. i'm sure you've seen this. some folks on twitter are saying they're canceling their subscriptions because of brett steve stevens, the "new york times" op-ed columnist. here's his headline over the weekend. he came over from the journal, conservative anti-trump columnist. now he's at the "times" and now there's all this backlash. what should people know about stevens and why he was hired? >> two things. first off, to remind people there's a separation between the news side which i run and the opinion side which james bennett runs, so brett doesn't work for me. but let me say something else, the "new york times" has a history of trying to bring in

different voices. people forget we hired william sapphire who was richard nixon's speech writer, and didn't we learn from this past election that our goal should be to understand different views? didn't we learn from this past election that our goal should be to surface true debates about the biggest issues? is there anything worse than to squash those kinds of debates? brett, even though he doesn't work for me, is a fine writer who is surfacing important issues, and i think our job as journalists is to surface those issues. from my end, i have ten people devoted to climate change. we've done the most aggressive work on climate change there is. we've traveled all over the world -- >> but you don't think he undercuts your own reporters? >> i don't, i don't. i don't at all. first off, he lives on the other side of the house, but secondly, don't we want to surface all ideas? don't we want -- have we gotten to the point as a country when

someone has a well written, cogent position that people disagree with, they want to ball up the paper and throw it away? i think that's a mistake. i think we should hear what brett has to say. >> seems like some in our own newsroom has been tweeting, complaining about his hiring. is it a problem for you inside the newsroom? >> no. i think people inside the newsroom can express different opinions about the decisions we make inside the newsroom. what i would say to my colleagues inside the newsroom is i wish they were a little more gracious to a new colleague, even though he doesn't work in the newsroom. >> dean baquet, thank you very much for being here. >> thank you. up next, are the murdochs looking to replace the top management of fox news? new reporting and two top mede reporters are here, right after the break. bare spots that are hard to fix using seed alone. but scotts ez seed changes everything. it's an all-in-one solution. our finest grass seed plus quick-start

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it says, fox news, good ratings, bad news. that's right, fox of course still riding high in the daily ratings race. it's new bill o'reilly lineup still number one. we learned this week second organization is involved, not just the justice department but the postal investigators. there are inquiries and interviews about possible misconduct by the friends of roger, people who were consultants to fox news head roger ailes. then there's bill shine, reports he might be the next one on the chopping block. he's named in several lawsuits involving ailes and the culture at fox. as dylan buyers wrote this week, he may be the man who knew too much and perhaps also did too little. what is next for fox news and for the murdoch empire? there's talks as you can see from the hollywood reporter

about possibly replacing shine. let's talk with two reporters who have been covering this lately. dylan, tell us about what you were saying about bill shine there, that he was ailes' top most trusted deputy, that he knew a lot of what was going on inside the company. is that were you were getting at? >> absolutely. like roger ailes, like bill o'reilly, there since 1996, the life blood of that company, the right hand man to roger ailes. >> of course no one accusing him of harassment. >> but like you said, he is named in many of the allegations, named in some of the lawsuits, so the question is how are you the right hand man to roger ailes and then the co-president of the network and not be aware of some of the stuff that has allegedly gone on in terms of sexual harassment, in terms of racial discrimination. i mean, let's pull back for a second and just use common logic. it is impossible to think that

he could be there for 21 years and not be privy to some of this stuff, especially when you remember that fox news itself was involved in some of the settlements that were paid to bill o'reilly's accusers. that races the question, how serious are the murdochs about cleaning house at fox news. is it going to be a drip, drip, where we lose the ceo and primetime host. what are we going to lose in the next six months or due come o y in and clean house and make a substantive change. >> two things happened, one, they took bill shine out to lunch. at the end of the week the hollywood reporters said the murdochs are quietly looking perhaps for replacements. >> there's the tension by the way between rupert murdoch and james murdoch and that's really what this is all about. >> father and son. >> father and son. is it rupert's company or james' company. right now it remains rupert's

company and we learned over the weekend he made many of the programming decisions. james is trying to assert himself but he's limited. >> it remains me of president trump and his children. in some cases ivanka trump getting credit for trying to moderate our father. maybe the same thing happening here with the murdochs. >> i think all of us back in july of last year wondered, why the hell, you're getting rid of roger ailes and yet you keep in place his, you know, his right hand man, and then now we're back here, you know, ten months later, nine months later, and oh, maybe we got a problem here. well, maybe, you know. i mean, this is not really very sophisticated management. if you have a rotten, corrupt network which fox is, and you have these problems, then you probably wanted to clean house once, not twice. >> you're convinced it's corrupt? >> i am. i'm very convinced. as i wrote this week, i think we've seen the corruption on the airwaves over the years with the

distortions, particularly on the opinion side. i think the news side is just basically a conservative news organization and stripped of the opinion people like fox and nenews which is a clown show. >> you mean "fox & friends." >> "fox & friends." if they were serious about being in the news business they would get rid of that program. let's face it -- >> you and your "fox & friends" -- >> but the point is, if they had wanted to start in a new direction after roger ailes, they had a chance last july. >> and a chance again just now, tucker carlson taking over at 8:00, the five at 9:00, the numbers very strong for fox, good week in the ratings. bill o'reilly meanwhile is on the web doing a podcast. has has he essentially disappeared? >> a podcast is not the same as a fox news primetime show. i'm dubious about these reports that somehow the old gang is

going to get back together and start a new network. they've got a ton a money paid to them despite the sexual harassment charges. i don't know if they want to get together and start a new network. what i will say about the fox news programming now, you look at tucker carlson, everything was designed to tell viewers don't worry. we are still the home for conservative thought and opinion. we are still pro trump. we're not going anywhere. it's rupert murdoch basically saying one article in "the new york times" and a bunch of advocacy groups and advertiser flight was not enough to change >> and i think it should also be noted that ails is a fox news -- >> i appreciate that challenge you just gave me. great to see you, guys. after the break here, just how many fibs and falsehoods did the

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