tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN May 2, 2017 9:00pm-10:01pm PDT
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before the senate judiciary panel into russia's medaling into the presidential election. >> reporter: former acting attorney general sally yates is prepared to testify next week that she gave a forceful warning to the white house regarding then national security advisor michael flynn. this nearly three weeks before he was fired, contradicting the administration's version of events. sources familiar with her account say february 14th, the day after flynn's firing, white house spokesman, sean spicer. >> wanted to give quote a heads up to us on comments that may have seemed in conflict to what he had sent the vice president. >> reporter: but in a private meeting she told white house counsel flynn was lying when he denied in public and private he
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had discussed u.s. sanctions with the rushz ambassador. flynn was fired 18 days later, only after news reports that flynn had lied to vice president mike pence about his conversations with the it russian ambassador. this will book end a week's worth of appearances, starting with fbi directser james comey on wednesday. they'll press comey for answers on how they work would christopher steel who compiled the dosier. democrats will push the fbi director on what has been learned about the trump campaign's contact with russian officials and other russians. >> more than anything i want to hear that the fbi is not being
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impeded in their investigation. >> reporter: democrats will also seek answers as to why comey spoke publicly. but not its probe into trump's ties with russia which is underway during the summer of the campaign. meanwhile, the former british spy insists his search was urgent enough to share with top officials. this according to court documents filed last month in london. in the new legal filing, lawyers for former british spy, steel, argue that funded by political opponents by trump served a vital national security interest. >> now is there any sense how much we're going to find out from these testimonies? from what i understand a lot of
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this is going to be classify snd. >> it is. skrou the classified where the yates of the world can be more forthcoming. we're told she's not going to be able to give her a lot of detail that russia would be comp ruimates how by lying that opened up the copversation. and they've also indicated to us that they don't expect to drop any big baunl shells about possible contacts and members of the trump campaign. what we can hear in public is different from what the house members can hear in private. >> yiening me now is kpourv
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call? >> you know, anderson, it raises interesting questions. what's the difference between the forceful warning that jim reports tonight and sean spicer's name was just a heads up. there's a real disparity. >> because that's how they characterized what sally yates said. just a general heads up. >> nathat's very different. so i'll be interested to hear the tone and 10er. where did he take it after she gave him this warn sng and who else had privy to the information? and 18 days. if they took it seriously, why did they take 18 days to make a decision about general flynn? it appears to be that decision on flynn was based on the potential for the washington post story about to come out.
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>> he said it made him potentially vulnerable. does that mean you think -- could she have shared the information about exactly why he was compromised with the white house counsel? would he have been clear to get that informationing? >> the white house counsel has a responsibility to check not only law, but ethics. is someone committing a violation? lelths rr be clear. there's two different things we have to understand here. whether general flynn committed an ethical viilation or a legal violation. whether he's susceptible to blackmail or why she lies. you can talk to steve hall about this but the russians got what they wanted. she had a secretary of state who had received a metal from
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vladimir putin. why didn't she just walk in and say you should be concerned about your nagdsal security advisor. but the idea of blackmail make sense to you? even if it's based on he lied to the vice president and others about what he talked with the it russians? >> i think the key phrase is compromise. that can mean a lot of different things in the human operations context. if the aucheration was a success and they felt like they had me on their side. on the other hand, if the situation is simply that flynn had something and pir happens the russians thault this isn't working out the way we want to and let's remind flynn we have
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information on him. all that we don't know. what we do know is whatever yates saw concerned her enough that she needed to immediately let your -- politics don't get into it. it sounds like what she did was let people know about it. >> that gets to the point when we were talking before. the fact 18 days passed from the time of the investigation sally yates had with the white house counsel, if time is of the essence, that seems like an awfully long time. flynn was fired not because of what he'd done but because it was going to be made public by the washington post. the idea it could have gone on longer if nautd for the washington post breaking the
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story. >> the circumstantial evidence looks that way. it's certainly the appearance. we need more information from the white house on this. mrs. yates isn't going to be able to answer that in testimony. was the information taken serious sfl seriously? and all you have to do is look at the calendarer when the washington post story popped and he resigned. they were driven by news trarth than trying to do the right thing and discern what happened. just had hillary clinton getting candid about the final days of the campaign and what she believes cost her the presidency. >> i was on the way to winning until a combination of jim comey's letter and russian wikileaks raised doubts in the
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russian president, slvladimir putin. >> what do you think of a journalist that said president putin hated you so much he was thwarted? >> he certainly interfered in our election and clearly to hurt me and help my opponent and if you chart my opponent and his campaign's statements, they quite coordinated with the goals that that leader who shall remain nameless had and some say could it have been different? >> could the campaign have been better? he had one message and it was a successful message, make america great again and where was your messa message? do you take any personal responsibility? >> i take absolute personal
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responsibility. i was the candidate. i was the urs enperson on the b. and i am very aware of the challenges, the problems, shortfalls that we have. i will write all this out for you but i will say this. i've been in a lot of campaigns and i'm very proud of the campaign we ran and of the staff and the volunteers and the people who are out there day after day and it wasn't a perfect campaign. there is no such thing. but i was on the way to winning until the combination of jim comey's letter on october 28th and russian wikileaks raised doubts in the minds of people who were inclined to vote for me but got scared off. and ask yourself this. within an hour or two of the
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hollywood access tape being made public, the russian theft of john pudestau's emails hit wikileaks. what a coincidence. you just can't make this stuff up. did we make mistakes? of course we did. did i make mistakes? oh, my gosh, you'll read my confession and request for absolution but the reason why i believe we lost were the intervening events in the last 10 days and i think you can see i was leading in the early vote. i had a very strong and not just our polling and data analysis but a very strong assessment going on across the country in terms of where i was with both
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votes and electoral votes and i did have more votes than my opponent. you know, better that than interfering in foreign affairs. if he wants to tweet about me, i'm happy to be the diversion. because we've got lots of other things to worry about. and he should worry less about the election and my winning the popular vote than doing some other things that would be important for the country. >> well, clinton also said had the election been held on octobers 27th, she would have won. and the communication director for the trump transition. and let me start with you because on the one hand she's saying she takes full and personal responsibility for the loss but she is basically blaming the comey letter and russia and wikileaks. >> exactly.
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those two things he can co exist, i think but it's clear if you listen to the last bit she does blame jim comey and wikileaks as the reason she lost this election. i guess she's going to wait for her book but she's such of the mind that comey and wikileaks were determinative in this election that whatever else is her responsibility doesn't seem all that pertinent here. >> we've got to take a quick break. we'll have more from both those men. hillary clinton had a lot more to say during her interview with cri cristiane. and there's no funding for president trump's border wall. s♪ ♪
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at one point she asked her about sexism. >> you've just spoken eloquently about misogyny and inequity around the world but do you believe it exists here still? and do you think -- >> hmm. >> -- were you a victim of misogyny and why do you think you lost a majority of the white women vote? >> right. well, the book's coming out in the fall. just to give you a tiny little preview, yes, i do think it played a role. every day that goes by we learn more about some of the unprecedented interference, including from a foreign power whose leader is not a member of my fan club. >> so, bryan, you obviously were
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intimately involved in the campaign. what do you think of hillary clinton saying i take full response lkt and really it was the last 10 days and comey and wikileaks. clearly she's saving something for the book. it's her confession and ask. >> absolution. but can she say she takes responsibility and blame others? >> absolutely there are thing we'd like to do over. we would have deployed resources differently if we'd known the actual state of the race. i think there's been lot of time spent about how we could have resonated more on her economic platform. i think it would have done a lot more for the working class voters that pulled the leaver for donald trump. we're constantly thinking about what we could have done and all of that contributed to the closeness of the race and in spite of that, i agree we were
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poised to prevail and i agree the comey letter was difference making and independent analysts have confirmed that nate silver has gone and looked -- >> but if -- brian, if you're polling was wrong, how do you know it was right earlier on? >> that's a fair question but we have raw vote totals from the states that had early vote processes going on and now that they have reported the data, we were up by a quarter of a million votes but then on the don won by 13 points. all of that proves there was a huge swing. people made up their mind in the last week. this was 35 minutes in a -- i think she's not going to be a
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shrinking violet the rest of her life. john kerry wasn't, he went back that senate and -- >> but -- >> -- she's going to be out there but i don't anyone is inclined to dwell on the what ifs. >> i assume she's going to do some what ifs. because jason, do you buy that it was up until october 27th they were going to win and it was only just in the final stretch that she lost? >> no. not at all but i have to take my hat off to brian. this is something that losing political candidates do after every presidential election. doesn't matter if they're democrat, republican. part of their grieving process is to blame other people. but it's the lack of awareness we're seeing from secretary
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clinton. no one else told her to avoid campaigning in states like wisconsin. i mean the reality is that donald j. trump was the perfect candidate for this election. he was the ultimate outsider, probably the biggest we've seen whereas secretary clinton was the ultimate inhadicisider and a good campaign and the rights man for the right time. let's just be real about this. donald j. trump is a closer. he closed out this race -- >> it was unprecedented interference from a foreign power in this race. >> but anderson and this goes back to what brian was discussing. even when some of these different things were popping up, the polling shows secretary clintsen was consistently coming in at 42, 43 -- >> i want you to be able to
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respond to that. >> look, i think the reality has been backed up by all the independent analysis. you can't dispute the huge swing you saw. there was a fickle swing of this electorate that toggled between them all throughout the election and when there would be negative news coverage, that fickle segment would go back and forth. and this based on james comey's letter that ended up bearing no fruit. >> clearly there's democrats that want new blood. they need new leadership to move it forward. now you're going to have president obama out there, obviously very young and a lot of years ahead of him to be in public life. >> the democratic party's going
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to go through an interparty conversation about a new guard and leadership. what is clear to me today, anderson is that hillary clinton is going to very much want to be a part of that conversation. she is not at all wanting to see the stage. she clearly wants to put her sort of imprint on the day's political environment and she's clearly not going to shy away from doing that. >> coming up, remember candidate trump's promise to build a wall and make mexico pay for it? sure. everyone does. for now, u.s. taxpayers won't have to baibecause there's no mn the coughers. the white house is calling it a big win. to those who know that the essence of integrity is a promise kept. ♪ if you've got the time welcome to the high life. ♪ we've got the beer
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can be used to enhance existing fencing but what was striking is that the directser of office of management spun that into a victory for the president's wall. you would have to have a loose definition of what building a wall means and forget that the promise candidate trump made over and over and over. >> we are going to build a great border wall. we will build a great, great wall. we're going to build a wall don't worry about it. >> i promise we will build the wall. >> it's not going to be a little wall. it's a big beautiful wall. >> very strong wall, very powerful wall. >> it's going to be such a beautiful wall. it's going to be so big, so powerful. it's going to be as beautiful as a wall can be. i got to make it beautiful
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because maybe some day they'll name the wall the trump wall. who the hell knows and who's going to pay for the wall? >> so it bears repeating we're talking about a u.s. spending bill, not a mexican one. it appears the prommase of a wall itself has morphed into political spin that might make your head spin. >> this is what winning looks like. >> reporter: even though president trump is crawling that a spending bill represents a win for the white house. >> after bickering and grid lock, this is a clear win for the american people. >> reporter: he is clearly irritated he did not get everything he wanted, namely a new wallen the u.s./mexico border and threatening to shut down the government if he doesn't get what he wants. tweeting, either elect more republican senators in 2018 or
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change the rules to 51%. our country needs a good shut down to fix mess. that's one week after he complained democrats were prepared to do the same thing. democrats prepare to close them and shut down the government. terrible. >> a good one would be something that fixes washington d.c. permanently. >> mick mulvaney. >> they want their government to work and pass budgets that can be a compromise that both governments can agree upon. how can a shut down be good? >> that's what we have given to them with this agreement. my point to you was that the president wants to see washington better, get better, get fixed, change the way it does business. it absolutely is which is why
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it's so frustrating to have the democrats say we won and -- they won and we lost. you can call it new wall, replacement, maintenance, whatever you want to. the president's priority was to secure the southern border. >> reporter: democrats were quick to pounce on the shut down talk. >> we don't like government shut downs and we avoid them at all costs. >> reporter: this idea of compromise isn't sitting well with republicans. >> i think the democrats cleaned our clock. this was not winning from the republican point of view. >> and jim acosta joins us now. is the white house going to try to get funding in the next budget bill? >> keep in mind this was estimated to cost 12 to $15 billion. there are other estimates many
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times more than that and they're going to try to fight this battle out in september to hammerute budget for fiscal year 2018. keep in mind there's no plan whatsoever to make mexico pay for the wall. in fact, take a look at this picture that was tweeted earlier today. by a conservative rabbi. he visited steve bannon's office. it says build a border wall and eventually make mexico pay for it. not anytime soon, anderson and eventually on what that means. >> if memory serves me, that was michael jackson's spiritual advisor. he's been on the program. i'm going to look that up. >> he was visiting steve bannon toord. >> well, you know, hey. a lot to talk about with the panel. joining me now is ryan lewis, i don't know how i know that but i
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do. is there any evidence to support the argument this is a major win for the president? >> it doesn't seem that way. i think the president wants to have a win. he promised there was going to be a lot of winning and i think he has no choice but to present it that way. separate from the fact it doesn't fund the border wall and it doesn't cut funding for sanctuary cities. i mean, these are major issues for republicans. i think it's hard to cast that as a win. focusing on the border security stuff, the only way you can say that's a win is if you say democrats don't support border security but they do support border security, they just don't support the wall. >> i've been listening to conservative talk radio all day. they're most unhappy, interestingly not with him but
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with republican members of congress. they feel these people don't have their act together and so went the line today for many people. they said give them the house and they said we need the senate, we need to white house. they have it all. what are you doing? and there is a lot of resentment and i would say republican members of congress really need produce or there will be a problem. >> matt, again to the fall, he said eethser elect more republican senators or change the rules to 51%. our country needs a good shut down to fix the mess. it's interesting that he was threatening to shut down the week before. >> i read that as a message to the freedom caucus who are criticizing him for cutting this deal for this budget, this bipartisan budget deal.
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ronald regan won the cold war but was not able to rain in spending. remember all the hand ringing about how it was going to slashing the epa. doesn't do that. and people wonder why do republicans win elections when spending keeps going up? the democrats last time they were in power they took a huge political risk to pass health care because they believed it was a moral imperative to give more people access to health care. republicans, the last time i checked when president obama was president said raining in the deficit was imperative. when are they going to show political curage to get that done? >> and it is hard for him to point to the fencing and spin that as somehow part of the president's border wall when this is existing areas of
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fencing that is being updated. >> i thought it was ridiculous for him to point to the one thing in the bill that wasn't there. the way you do it is each side spins the victories that are actually in there. the democrats are crowing about the things they got actually in the bill. trump could say we got this massive increase in defense spending. typically, discretionary spending had to go up. so it's a strange thatd trump is disappointed by this deal when he dids get some of -- >> no -- >> can i say one other thing? there are all these conservatives that are upset. i don't think they've ever had to pass a bill in congress. in the senate you have the filibuster. unless skrou you have a magic
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wand, you have to have democratic votes. >> and they always get blamed for a government shutd down and they would again if if it happened. >> and the white house does, in its mind, victories they could talk about on immigration. apprehensions down at the border. that would be one thing the trump administration i would think would want to have out there. >> donald trump in a sense brought this upon himself talking about the border wall and defunding planned parenthood is the definition of a win. we saw that we're going to get this and obamacare as well. so when you're the president of the united states and you're putting things out there for the public to grade you on. at the end of the day, of course it's going to look like a huge loss for him. i think democrats are spiking
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the football not because it's a win for the democrats but because they believe it was a win for the american people. you talked about it. they give hey, for many who wouldn't have it if not for these clinics. >> i get why democrats would see this as a win. i just don't see how the white house spins it as a win. >> i think that's the problem. >> a major effort is underway to rescue the new plan to replace obamacare. the question is do they have enough votes? and get a job. school [ex student] daddy's here. [wife] hi [dad] hey buddy [son] hey dad [wife] i think we can do this. [chancellor] adam baily. [chancellor] adam baily.
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the white house and gop leadership are still short on yes votes and could be about to collapse again. where do things stand? >> it's really hanging by a thread up here, anderson. the outlook is not so good for republican leaders. and the numbers are the numbers are not on their side. according to cnn's latest whip count, 22 house republicans have come out and said that they are against this bill, which is important. that means if one more -- just one more house republican stands up and says they are against this bill, that would kill its
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chances of moving forward in its current form. there is some stark reality in this. a republican house leadership aide saying, like a broken record, quote, when we have the votes we will have a vote. we know there's no vote scheduled at this point. we know from the math and of course the floor schedule that they just don't have the votes at this time. >> it's like a haiku. when we have the votes we'll have the vote. are changes being made to get more members on board? >> there's buzz in the hallways on capitol hill that changes need to be made. many members want the changes to be made. the way the house leadership is selling this bill right now to the members is this is the best option at this particular moment to get this through. republican leadership admitting that they understand changes want to be made but telling us, we have not made any at this point and we done know when we
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will, if we willis a big question as well. i have to point out that on thursday, they are facing this deadline where the house is scheduled to take a week long recess that evening. so all week, going into this week, republican leadership thought this was their best opportunity, this four-day stretch this week to hold tight on some small momentum that they had picked up. i have to say going into wednesday, looking at the math, this number, all the grumbling up here on capitol hill, they are facing a much narrower window of time to get this done. >> how many weeks did they take off? it seems like they always have a recess coming up. that's another story. back now with the panel. it's interesting that they voted how many times to repeal and replace obamacare. while president obama was in office. obviously he vetoed it. unanimous votes. now that they're in power they can't pass it. >> i think that's part of the
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big incompetence problem that's facing the republican congress. people did see them huffing and puffing while obama was in power for them trying to repeal it knowing it wouldn't go anywhere. so they would pass it. more than 60 times. this is a process that took president obama over a year to do. for them to now come in with no plan after seven years and wanting to do something in a matter of weeks makes them look even more incompetent, makes them look petty. but more importantly, makes them look disinterested in the real life and death implications of such a monumental legislation. >> i keep thinking -- people on the panel have said it for months. if the white house just focused on infrastructure to start off with and formed a commission to figure out how to repeal and replace obamacare and then a year from now done it, wouldn't they have saved themselves a lot of trouble? >> i think in fairness to them that they felt there was so much on the table they promised -- >> they had to do it? >> the pressure was there. if they had done that, what you are suggesting and they had been successful, the steam would run out for obamacare.
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they really felt committed to it. that said, they should have -- the house and senate republicans should have had this ready to go the moment donald trump was sworn in. >> you are breaking ranks with the republicans twice in a row. you will have your card taken away. >> when you consider that for the last six years they have insisted over and over that they had a plan. right? it didn't need to be done in a couple weeks. it should have been something that if you were making this a central argument for your party that this is what you were going to do, then you should theoretically have a plan do that. mark sanford said, well, it was always a pipe dream from the very beginning. the idea of a full repeal. what does that mean? >> john boehner said something similar. >> this is the central argument of why you should be electing republicans. >> one more no vote and it's not going to pass. if it's brought up. >> yeah. it's on the bubble right now. it seems like the momentum is against this happening. i think if you had to bet, you
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would bet that this doesn't happen. it's pretty amazing that they can't get this done. you know, again, even if this happened, then it goes to senate, it would change dramatically if it could -- they can't even do this. i think that paul ryan, smart guy obviously, policy walk, you know -- donald trump gets a lot of blame. how much blame though do republicans in congress deserve? >> how much blame are they going to get next time around, the elections? >> some of the moderates you don't want to vote for this might think they dodged a bullet by not voting for something that takes away regulations on pre-existing conditions. i think matt is right. even if it passes the house, this thing -- the senate has no appetite for the bill that might pass the house. it would get rewritten in the senate. they go to a conference committee. and then you would be back in the house with the same
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buzz saw of the freedom caucus saying, no way, we're not going to vote for this thing that came out of the senate and conference committee. even if it passes the house, it seems very unlikely that it could go back to the house and pass. what's the lesson trump takes from this? is the lesson he takes from this that the freedom caucus is a dead end, that he can't let them write this legislation because it can't get through the system? or does he double down? if he actually thinks the freedom caucus is a dead end, you could come up with a bipartisan plan on the model of the spending bill we were talking about where you get democrats on board and you realize that a lot of republicans -- >> to fix, not repeal. >> have come to terms with major pieces of obamacare and -- >> ted cruz was right when he said -- >> what's that? >> there will be a problem right there. >> i think if they try to make that happen, i think there will be hell to pay. as we have -- >> for the white house? for republicans? >> for moderate republicans and republicans in general. this is what we talked about
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what i call the margaret thatcher. the socialist ratchet. the idea of republicans now is just come in and sit on it and tinker at the edges and manage it better. >> what's the -- >> they are finding it very difficult -- the reality is that obamacare is very popular right now. they're finding it very difficult to repeal legislation that is twice as popular as the president and three times more popular than members of congress. >> once you give somebody entitlement, it's very difficult to take away. ted cruz is right about that. the 2012 election i think was actually the last shot republicans had to actually repeal and replace. once it was enacted, people now have this assumption that it's the government's responsibility to provide them with health care. >> pre-existing conditions should -- >> trump can do this in a second. the entire primary he reinvented
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republican orthodoxy all the time, right? protect medicare, and that was trumpism. if he tomorrow said, my plan is we're going to accept the medicaid expansion, tinker around regulation, stabilize the insurance exchange. this plan is now called trumpcare. he could sell that to his base. >> a lot more to get to, including new reporting on our russia white house watch. former acting attorney general sally yates will testify on capitol hill that she gave a forceful warning to the white house that michael flynn, the then national security adviser, russia contacts may have left him compromised. that contradicts what the administration said sally yates said or the way they characterized her warning. details on that in a minute. you could spend days weeding through financial documents to refinance your home. or, you could push that button. [rocket launching] skip the paperwork and get a mortgage solution in minutes. lift the burden of getting a home loan with rocket mortgage by quicken loans. [whisper: rocket]
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welcome back. we begin with the russia white house watch. investigations into russia's meddling in the election. next week, sally yates will testify in an open hearing before the senate judiciary committee. we are learning what she will say is opposed to what the trump administration will say about the verse -- version of events when it comes to michael flynn. jim sciutto has details. >> reporter: former acting attorney general sally yates is prepared to testify before a senate panel next week that she gave a forceful warning to the white house regarding then national security adviser mi
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