>> the security clearance was reapproved by the obama administration. >> what was going on in those 18 days. >> continue such activities and to do so. >> it's still on his website. >> i made a determination i believed it was unlawful. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. sally yates said she repeatedly warned the administration saying flynn had lied about his contacts with russia opening the door to possible blackmail. >> add this to your time line. we're learning former president obama warned president trump on november 10th against hiring flynn so just days after the election.

the big question, why did it take the president weeks to act on flynn. we have it all covered. jessica schneider. >> reporter: chris, that is the question. why did it take 18 days for michael flynn to resign? former acting attorney general sally yates tried to lay it all out for lawmakers disclosing she warned the white house three times about michael flynn's misstatements and filled in the chain of events that led to general palestinian's ouster as national security adviser. >> we felt it was critical we get this information to the white house. we believed general flynn was compromised with respect to the russians. >> reporter: sally yates testifying she urgently warned the white house on three separate occasions that michael flynn misled vice president pence about his conversations with the russian ambassador. >> likely the russians had proof of this information and that created a compromise situation.

a situation where the national security adviser could be blackmailed by the russians. >> reporter: her testimony contradicting the white house's muted account in mid-february. >> the acting attorney general informed the white house counsel that they wanted to give, quote, a heads-up to us. >> reporter: yates explaining that she stressed to mcgann that flynn had engaged in problematic conduct just two days after president trump's inauguration. >> we told them that we were giving them all of this information so that they could take action. >> reporter: president trump didn't take action waiting 18 days to fire flynn only after his statements became public. >> michael flynn might still be there but for "the washington post" report that in effect shamed them into getting rid of him. >> reporter: president trump attempt to go downplay the hearing. james clapper's testimony that

he saw no collusion before he retired in january. >> is that still accurate? >> it is. >> but clapper note d that he ws unaware of the investigation until it was announced publicly in march. the two men in met in the oval office. >> president obama made it known he wasn't exactly a fan of general flynn's, which is, frankly, shouldn't come as a surprise given general flynn had worked for president obama, was an outspoken critic of president obama's shortcomings. >> reporter: sean spicer continuing to blame obama for the trump administration's failure to properly vet flynn. >> if president obama was concerned about general flynn why didn't he suspend his security clearance? >> reporter: clapper challenging that assertion saying flynn's high-profile position would typically require extensive vetting. >> the vetting process for either a political appointee or someone working in the white

house is far, far more invasive and far more thorough than a standa standard clearance process. >> reporter: one question not definitively answered, whether sally yates' warnings made it all the way up to president trump. she doesn't know if the white house reviewed the information it requested from the justice department since she was fired just days later for refusing to defend the president's first travel ban executive order. >> jessica, thank you very much for all of that reporting. so another story, a federal appeals court in virginia appears to be split over president trump's revised travel ban deciding how much weight to give the president's words during the campaign about wanting a muslim ban. joe johns is live at the white house with more. what have you learned, joe? >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. 13 judges on the fourth circuit testing a not so novel question whether president trump on the campaign trail meant what he said when he called for banning

muslims from traveling to the you states. a common sense question aimed directly at the white house. president trump's inflammatory rhetoric about muslims putting his revised travel ban in jeopardy again. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. >> reporter: several judges pointing to the president's own words as evidence the executive order was intended to target muslims. >> shortly after the executive order was signed sean spicer said the principles remain the same. >> reporter: the white house countering the court should not question the president's national security decisions based on past statements. >> this is not a muslim ban. its text has nothing to do with religion. the operation has nothing to do with religion. >> reporter: one judge expressing concerns about future implications of using the president's previous comments to evaluate future policies. >> can we look at his college

speeches? how about his speeches to businessmen about 20 years ago? are we going to look at those, too? >> reporter: another noting president trump has never walked back his muslim ban promise. >> he's never repudiated what he said about the muslims and it's still on his website. >> reporter: that was removed after monday's briefing. >> i'm not aware of what's on the website. you'll have to ask them. >> reporter: the travel ban a contentious topic on capitol hill. >> i believe any argument we would have to make in its defense would not be grounded in the truth. >> reporter: former acting attorney general sally yates defending her position not to enforce the first version of the travel ban saying it was not based on politics. >> i made a determines i believed it was unlawful. i also thought it was inconsistent with the principle s of the department of justice. >> reporter: yates insisting she did her job by looking at the intent of the order. >> are you aware of any instance

in which the department of justice has formally approved the legality of a policy and three days later the attorney general directed the department not to follow that policy and to defy that policy? >> i'm not but i'm also not aware of a situation where the office of legal counsel was advised not to tell the attorney general about it until after it was over. >> reporter: no timetable on that fourth circuit case for a decision at least. out on the west coast the ninth circuit is expected to take up a travel ban case there with the possibility that either of these cases could end up right here in washington at the supreme court. the president has no public events on his schedule today. chris? >> all right, joe, thank you very much. so there are a lot of complex issues at play but there is one fairly simple question. why did it take president trump 18 days to move on michael flynn after getting this information? let's ask anthony, an informal adviser to president trump and a former president of the trump transition team. it's great to have you here.

>> great being here. >> there are a million different directions to go, a lot of unresolved information and questions. we know that now from just hearing what was said about yates and clapper yesterday in terms of what did russia do, how did they do it. what can we do to stop it. and then the questions about people around trump and what they did. so there's a lot there. but 18 days. sally yates come. you've run big business. somebody comes to you in that position and says we're really worried about what he said. he didn't tell the truth to the vice president. what you are saying he said is not true and i can prove it. nothing happens for over two weeks. >> so you're saying 18 days is a long period of time? >> i'm mott saying it's a short period of time. >> i think in this case, again, i can't speak for the president but i work closely with him. i think he's a very loyal person, and i think he looked at what general flynn did for him not only during the campaign but in the transition. and so my guess is he said, okay, let's have some level of

due process go before we make a decision here. 18 days, you and i were talking at the break about business people versus politicians and so 18 days, to me, doesn't seem like a long time. if jack welch were sitting in this chair he would say good employees are people that are valuable to him, he would wait a while before he would make a decision to let people go. i don't see it as a long period of time but maybe it is. >> if somebody comes and gives you that type of urgency, he could be compromised by russia and there is no curtailment of his activities. palestinian was right by the president he's side and the president in very, very sen sensitive meetings. you're making an assumption i can't make which is the president knew and asked for some kind of due process. all we know is mcgann knew. why do you have any confidence this went up to the president and they made a call? >> i honestly don't know if it did or didn't. what i do know is the president's personality about leadership and loyalty, how he

thinks about his people and what he cares about. and what i love about the president he really cares about people first more than he cares about that sort of nonsense that goes on in the political arena. also, i think -- >> loyal to a fault here? this isn't, we don't like flynn. >> i understand. let me finish. you're brand noof to the presidency, you have the opposing party railing on a guy you think is super valuable to you. i think you will be cautious, patient and deliberate because you know what happens in these things, a scrum takes place. people are throwing eggs and he tomatoes at each other, chris, and you're sitting there saying what is the truth? let's figure it out. from that point of view, i think a deliberate the approach is probably better because it sends a message to all your people about the kind of person you are, that you're a loyal person, willing to stick up for your people even if there's a political fight or a press

fight. and i think that's why the president has been able to galvanize and recruit some of the finest people in our k country. >> here's the problem with the theory. there's no proof there was any due process. the white house has not come out and said we did this, this, and this. the president when he was told on november 10th by form er president obama, be careful with what you do with flynn. i got rid of him for a reason. he ignored that for the following reasons, and we did this, this, and this. there is none of that. this is on obama. we did the right thing. we got rid of flynn. i don't know if there was any due process involved, if there was any of evasion. could it be every time the president and the people hear russia, they go like this. >> i don't necessarily agree with that. i'm more arguing the president's style, his management skill set, the reason why he was able to ascend to the presidency. he has had to recruit people and stay loyal to those people and

so, for me, if you take 18 days to make a decision like that, i don't think it's a long period of time as a business person. maybe politicians think it's a long period of time. >> you're assuming a process. i don't know where that comes from. >> because i understand the president -- had a good working relationship with him and my guess is that he's a loyal guy to a fault in certain ways but that's benefited him in terms of recruiting people into his team. we go tit for tat in washington. i thought the testimony was another clear example of the witch-hunt that we're now fighting in washington and the news cycle we fight. now we're parsing syllables what she said versus what congress said and who won. did the senators win? did she win during the debate? i think it's a bunch of nonsense that we have to focus on the president has a jobs creating agenda. he has a tax proposal that he wants to bring that's going to reduce corporate taxes and possibly personal income taxes

for middle income families which is going to unleash growth in our society. russia just tried to undermine our democracy and is now having its strongest head of influence ever in our lifetime. >> the french now -- >> no because we don't know what happened in france. what russia did here by consens consensus, because he still doesn't seem to accept that it was russia. >> didn't clapper say yesterday there was no involvement between the trump campaign and russia? >> it's interesting you go to that and i'll tell you why. this is about what russia did with great effectiveness, how they did it, how they were able to be so effective and how to stop it. you trump guys can't get away from that issue without connecting it to the collusion argument. that is a acceseparate issue, a separate aspect of the investigation. because you conflate them all the time, maybe that's why we saw the white house deaf to what they were told about flynn and just to be clear about clapper, what clapper said yesterday, did

i know anything about collaboration? no. collusion? no. the president loves it. he tweets. he also said i didn't know anything about the investigation. i don't know the facts. the fbi didn't tell me. i don't know what they have. he's very different than saying i know everything they have and they have nothing. >> so, again, we can argue about this -- >> i don't think it's much of an argument, anthony, i have to tell you. >> you're mixing things. >> no, i'm trying to keep them separate. you're mixing them. you're saying the collusion -- >> the next thing i'm on i will have a trump guys t-shirt. >> i could wear it because i'm an american and you have to be concerned about what russia did as an american. >> as americans we both want the president to be super successful. i don't think we can look at the russian situation and say, hey, it damages our democracy.

did they try to damage our democracy? i don't know. even if they tried to damage our democracy, chris, i don't think they were successful at it. the process worked. president obama said that the process worked. secretary of state clinton, we can talk about her, i think she had flaws in her candidacy which allowed president trump to allow to the presidency. >> true. >> and he took advantage of it. the guy went from 2015, 20 months into the american presidency -- this guy is not a politician by definition in terms of his life experience. and so i think what i love about him is that he's bringing that nonpolitician status to washington. i think it's very disruptive to the people down there. i think it's good for the american people. >> we'll see in the results. it's still early. >> you're going to wear the trump guys t-shirt? >> i'll wear this. i'm very conservative not like

you with the fancy suits. what russia did is real, it got results, it mattered. senators on both sides of the aisle were saying it yesterday. nobody thinks russia failed. i'm not saying they changed the outcome. that's not what i'm saying. you have to understand what they did. you have to fix it. the president doesn't want to deal with srussia because just like, as you did, every time the president hears russia he thinks they're talk iing about me and did something wrong. and that's dangerous because it stops progress on figuring out what happened and how to stop it for the next set of elections. >> i actually think you're making a fair point so i will cede this point to you which could be the first time in history between the two of us. >> we should go to break on that. >> one thing i know about president trump he's not going to take any guff from the russians, the chinese or the north koreans. what he's going to do is protect the american people and standards of our democracy and

let me tell you, he has a lot of stuff going on at the same time. the number one thing, at least from what i can see from my vantage point is jobs, chris, opportunity for american people, lower taxes to make our corporate tax base more competitive around the world. how about repatriating the trillions of dollars off the shore so we can get jobs for people and see wage growth again. but i hear you and i will cede that point to you. we can litigate it. i'll say if, you'll say it's definite. if it is definite, the president will be on it with his team to prevent it from happening next time. >> we'll see. one other quick take on something, the conflicts of interest, whether it's what we saw with the kushners in china, what we saw with trump, it's transparency. that's what this is all about. eric trump says this is bs what they said what i said about the golf courses getting russian n

money. all he has to do is show audited financials and show there's no debt on the books. i don't want to see his personal taxes. he should show them but that's his call. why not more transparency. >> why, chris? why? >> why should the president show his tax returns? >> why does eric trump have to do that in your mind? >> he does not have to. absolutely not. but if the suggestion is made, and he wants to prove that it is false, him saying it is false is not enough. when he has every ability to prove that he's right -- he can prove it in ten minutes. >> this is my problem with the whole thing. i don't know which kushners were in bay jaeijing but eric trump t the politician in the family nor is don trump jr. and so what are they doing? running that business and running it with standards businessmen run. >> they're all double dipping, anthony. they're all speaking for candidates. they're an extension of their father. they're an extension of the white house. >> as a private citizen you're allowed to speak on behalf of candidates. i don't know if you do that for

governor cuomo or not. >> i don't. not just because i'm a journalist. >> but you are a journalist. you have to draw a line. >> if my father was running or was involved in a political campaign and i was a private citizen, not a journalist, would i go out and speak on his beh f behalf? 100%. would i be saying i have to be totally transparent on my business and finances? absolutely not. it's nobody's business. >> it all leads back to trump. those courses, he gets a part of them. >> that's the eric trump issue. on the kushner issue, i didn't read the thing super carefully -- >> his sister. >> that's not jared kushner's fault. a mistake was made. these are people new to the political environment. what i don't like is every morning we wake up, we take a dozen eggs out, who are we going to throw these eggs out today? today it's the kushner family. hit eric trump on the side. and it's not fair to either of these people and the reason it's

not fair they're private citizens who have people in their family that are serving the american people as public servants. i think it's very unfair to bring everybody into the mix and start throwing eggs at the private citizens and the family. you may disagree with me on that. i bet you the average american person is saying why don't we leave the familiy members alone here. we want to hit the people in public service, no problem. the president can take the hits. he's a resilient guy. jared can take the hits. let's leave the family members out of it. this is how you prevent really good people, chris, from getting into government. i don't want to put my family members through this hassle. >> that is all well and good until you get a combination effect of the private side seeming to gain access and exploit access from the government side. you have to call it out. >> didn't the kushners apologize

for that? >> yes, after it was exposed. the way they got rid of flynn after "the washington post" exposed what happened to him. the exposure matters. >> you think it's intentional. i think it's accidental. >> they wouldn't let journalists into the meeting they had in china. why, anthony? >> journalists are nosy and throw the eggs. >> good thing they are. >> i'm glad you're throwing eggs. >> i'm not throwing eggs. i'm throwing facts. >> i will have you wear the shirt with me that says trump guys. >> make sure it's an xxl. >> you need that. >> alisyn? >> wow. you could have gone back and forth for a few more rounds there. one warning after another. we'll take a look at what we know today as the investigation into michael flynn pushes forward next.

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and what we still don't know with our panel. we want to bring in cnn politics reporter and editor at large chris cilizza and kimberly dozier and legal analyst jeffrey toobin. chris, what did you think were the big headlines? >> i heard chris cuomo's interview who said 18 days isn't a very long time but, to me what we learned is what exactly sally yates told the white house counsel which is your national security adviser is compromised by the russians and is a potential blackmail target. that's not like saying, hey, some minor thing that we're looking into. this is a huge deal. this is the top national security person in your white house, one of donald trump's closest allies. to me it is stunninging that it took "washington post" reporting that he, flynn, had not told the truth to mike pence to fire this

guy and i would say, by the way, donald trump four tweets last night essentially saying this is all fake news and that sally yates said nothing new. she did say new things. that is a fact. you can argue what the new things mean but we know things today about what she told don mcgann that we didn't know yesterday. >> and we know clapper did not clear the president of any allegations of collusion the way the president is suggesting he did. >> that's right. he said he didn't know. >> he said he didn't know anything about the investigation. kim, anthony is smart. he's wired into the trump people. here is the problem. there is no proof of any process. there is no proof that they did anything after the white house told them about sally yates except respond to "the washington post" reporting by as quickly as they could throwing flynn under the bus. do we know that they did anything to process, to balance loyalty and fact, anything?

>> from everything i've heard working with mike flynn, working with the vice president pence, what brought flynn down was the misrepresentation to pence. in terms of checking, in terms of vetting flynn's background, flynn had been participate of this team for almost two years, he was one of the few people who had come in from the campaign as oppose ed d to we see a tightlyt team now presenting its face to the public. pence was still part of the outside team for those insiders, so you can see a situation where trump simply didn't want to believe what he was being told if all the details were getting to him. and that's why in the weekend we saw everything blow up before he resigned, i heard from both sides that on the pence side there was anger, there was -- you can't let this guy keep in

this job with what he did to us. but there was, you know, this is too much of a distraction. i saw benghazi. i've got to step down for the good of the president. >> so, jeffrey, in sally yates recounting her conversation with mcgann and when she was trying to alert them to what she thought was the danger of michael flynn, you say americans have never seen anything like that conversation. >> it is like something out of a spy novel. the attorney general of the united states going to the lawyer for the president saying the closest national security aide to the president may be under the control of the sh russians. just think about that. and then you have nothing done about it at the white house until "the washington post" embarrasses them by disclosing part of the flynn problem and

then they eventually get rid of him. it illustrates the larger issue that why were so many people involved in the trump campaign whether it's carter page or roger stone or mike flynn, why were they all involved with the russians? why did so many of them make false statements about it? >> now rng chris, the questions jeffrey is asking right now provide a big part of the answer to why 18 days, why the tweets from the president that seemed to twist obvious fact. i think, as we heard from anthony who is an honest broker of how trump people view these situations, every time they hear russian interference all they hear is bad for trump. that's what they hear every time. and that's why they cannot separate the two components of this investigation and the president keeps dismissing the russia investigation is because of his concerns what it means for him politically and that's dangerous because they were

effective with what they did. >> on twitter last night the disputing of the idea the russia story is a hoax. unless you believe the cia and the fbi are wrong, then we know that russia actively tried to meddle in the 2016 election to hurt hillary clinton and help donald trump. that is what we agree on. to me, the thing i never understand about this and, chris, your explanation makes as much sense as any i've heard, why if you're donald trump do you not say i didn't do anything wrong, let's have a full investigation, i want all my people available. if there was a bad apple and we should have gotten him out earlier, i'll apologize for that. the continued insistence there's no there there when any

reasonable person look iing at this can say there's clearly a there will. trying to say russia tried to meddle in the election, here is what they did, does not mean donald trump was colluding with the russians. clapper said i don't know. nothing that i've seen said it exists. the point is there's clear ly a effort by russia to influence the election. mike flynn, carter page, jared kushner meetings, there's a lot of smoke there. why mott say let's have a nice wind come through here and blow that smoke out. he continues not to do that. >> kim, the president, what the president does do is tries to deflect all of this and tries to pin it on the obama white house claiming that they somehow should have better vetted michael flynn instead of him vetting michael flynn adequately for one of the top posts in the

cabinet and as your reporting suggests this was an open secret about michael flynn. it didn't take a lot of dirt. this wouldn't have been heart to connect these doths. >> remember where this is coming from. donald trump has gone through several lawsuits, accused of many things. his way of dealing with it is to fire back and drive on. i'm sure he felt the say way about flynn who would have assured him everything's fine, this is more from our political opponents. what is happening is this slow car crash where things are catching up that, you know, in terms of like the registering as a foreign agent. well, had he stayed in the job probably no one would have brought that up. there were very few prosecutions under failure to register as a foreign agent.

his payment for speaking to rt, it's hard to go back and should we prosecute him for this. he would have gotten away with this. >> thank you very much. >> important perspective and we'll get more in our next hour talking with sheldon whitehouse. you saw him yesterday questioning yates and clapper. what did he take away from it? what has to happen now? >> not happy with a key adviser, the reporter is going to break down the story for us about the growing tensions reportedly between the commander in chief and his new national security adviser next. you too, unnecessary er visits. and hey, unmanaged depression, don't get too comfortable.

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president trump meeting today with his new national security adviser, h.r. mcmaster. it comes as the president is expected to receive proposals to boost troop levels in

afghanistan. cnn's barbara starr live at the pentagon with more. this is going to be news that is very sensitive to american ears. what do we know? >> reporter: good morning, chris. after more than 15 years of fighting the taliban back on the upswing in both eastern and southern afghanistan. so the president now getting recommendations from the pentagon about what to do about it. it looks like one of the key options is more u.s. troops on the way to afghanistan. it could be anywhere between 1,500, 3,000, 5,000 troops. what will they do there, train, advise and assist afghan forces. more air strikes are possible. more operations on the ground. all of it does add up to putting u.s. troops at risk but the idea is, according to proponents, if you put more firepower into afghanistan, can you push the taliban back? can you actually push them to a negotiating table and finally end the conflict in afghanistan?

5,000 more troops might be a very tall order. alisyn? >> thank you for all of those developments in your reporting. as the investigations into ousted national security adviser michael flynn continue, there's a new report that reveals tension between the president and his new national security adviser h.r. mcmaster. he gets credit for the plan to strike the syrian air base last month. our next guest says washington loves mcmaster but the president does not. eli lake joins us now. good morning, eli. >> thanks so much for having me. >> washington cheered when h.r. mcmaster was named to remrplace michael flynn who was ousted and even beyond the beltway cheered because mcmaster was seen as super smart, solid, a steady hand, a grown-up. what beef does your reporting find the president has with him? >> some is about style because h.r. mcmaster is probably one of

the most brilliant individuals of his generation. he wrote a work about the war in which he argued that generals needed to have done more to stop the escalation in that war. sometimes his style is to lecture and he doesn't pick up on cues when he wants to interrupt a briefing and ask a very basic question. he can be militaristic and sometimes trump just wants to hear, what do you think? steve bannon, the chief strategist who i think is not as out of favor as the reports were three or four weeks ago is very concerned and his loyalists that mcmaster favors a kind of nation building abroad that trump campaigned against. then there are just personnel issues with priebus because mcmaster asserted i hire and fire people on the national

security council and what happened in march there was a list of disloyal obama holdovers who were suspected of being leakers and mcmaster was asked to fire them and he refused. more recently mcmaster tried to bring in a deputy national security adviser, and priebus blocked him in large part because he didn't consult the chief of staff and other white house officials. all of this has created a sense of tensions and, finally, trump is somebody who does not like to read in the newspaper stories about his national security adviser, for example, calling his south korean counterpart and saying, you know, don't worry about what the president said. the u.s. is still going to pay for this missile defense system known as t.h.a.d. >> you spelled it out really well. the question is, is this about policy or is it about personality? is it possible that this is a

negativity campaign by steve bannon against mcmaster who, by all reports most of the people who work for him on the national security council and thereabouts really like mcmaster so is it possible steve bannon is feeling irrelevant or marginalized and is trying to undermine mcmaster? >> well, it's no secret steve ban none was kicked off the national security council and is one of the voices who has frustrations with mcmaster but i can tell you i won't discuss my anom mouse sources. the concerns are broader than steve ban non steve bannon. he is somebody who very much is the kind of national security leader that many of us in the media admire.

he speaks truth to power. that's earned him enemies within the army. plenty of people don't like mcmaster's style and that style has served him very well. he's probably one of the best commanders of a generation. at the same time he's playing in a very different league right now. i would say it's not just about steve bannon versus mcmaster. there are others who have a lot of frustrations with him at this point. none of this means, as i had in my story a quote from donald trump who said i'm happy with h.r. at this point and i included that, so i don't think he will be fired or anything like that. it's one of those second notebook stories i've been following for a month and put it all down in that column. it's a very real thing. >> thank you very much for sharing all of your reporting with us this morning. chris?

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some of the hail was reportedly the size of a baseball. cnn meteorologist has the forecast. first of all, what causes hail? >> an up draft pushing the rain drops aloft where it's probably 40 to 50 degrees below zero. chris, i think what's more important to the basketball size habl is the terminal velocity. there is more weather going on. there may be more tornadoes today than yesterday. today there could be five or ten and still that hail is absolutely still possible and in some spot there is along the front range probably. now we're not warming up in the northeast. the pattern isn't changing very much. so if you have severe weather today, you will likely have

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can that be the jimmy kimmel test? is that oversimplifying it? >> you're on the right track. if that's as close as we get, we've got it. all those middle class families playing 20 to 30 to $40,000 a year for their coverage, we have to make it affordable for them, too. >> senator cassidy joins us now. >> good morning. >> so from medical doctor to senator to late night comedy show test, you've had quite the journey lately. >> who would have thought? certainly not my parents. >> so you are the person who coined the term the jimmy kimmel test after he gave that emotional monologue about what he endured with his son's condition. >> in my mind, good people, you know, good trump voters, obama voters, you name it, but good

people and the tragedy would be if they needed something and they could not could it. something essential to their health. and trump's pledge during the campaign was that he would make sure all get covered, that we would get rid of the mandates, taking care of those with pre-existing conditions and lower premiums. >> just explain the math to us, senator. how do you get rid of the mandate and lower premiums and lower the cost to taxpayers and cover everybody? >> so i have a plan that's called the patient freedom act. and up here is kind of called the cassidy collins plan. and the way you do that, one, restore market forces. we put in transparency, for example. there is example after example of where folks go in for a test or procedure. don't find out the price until six months later.

if they had known the price, they could have gone someplace else for half the cost. we have to expand the number of people insured. one thing we have in is allowing states to auto enroll. when i turn 65 i want medicare unless i call them and tell them i don't wish to be. the credit they receive from the government would be sufficient to pay for their premiums for a year. it wouldn't be a bells and whistles policy covering everything like obamacare but it would have enough that if they got hit by a car and had a lot of medical bills. if you do that, you expand the risk pool and lower premiums at the same time, covering more folks. in the shorthand we say we give power to the patient. if you give pow tore the patient, good things happen. >> senator, i don't have to tell you. your constituents and americans

don't seem to be in my mood to get this wrong. just yesterday there was an iowa congressman. first he stormed out of an interview on this topic and then he went into a town hall where he had prescreened his constituents to make sure they weren't going to be particularly hostile or raw k hostile. but it didn't work. so let me show you what happened to him. >> i don't represent all iowans. i represent the first district of iowa. that would be like saying even though i live -- >> would you take donations from a republican in iowa city? >> i'm done here. >> and your insurance coverage is current, is current. nothing is going to change. >> you're lying!

♪ hey, hey, hey, hey, good-bye. >> he had a bad day, but what you heard from his constituents is they said, you're lying. how can you tell teamericans th will all be covered? >> right now democrats are sitting on the sideline in the senate and they say why haven't i be called yet? my god, come forward. ask the president and he will do it. the president most passionately speaks about the forgotten man. for the president to remember those lower class family is a contract to the voters. >> so you're saying that right now the senate needs help, senator republicans need help from democrats if they are going

to get this right. >> in our country, the best change is that which is representing across the political spectrum. obamacare was jammed through by democrats. if we would have democrats and republicans come together on an american plan, that will work for the american people. by the way, i think cassidy-collins, which returns power back to the states, allowing blue states to do a blue thing. red states to do what's best for them, actually accomplishes that and that's why i'm partial to our bill. >> okay. senator bill cassidy, we will look forward to see iing that. lots of news this morning, so let's get to it. >> people believe the national security advisor could be blackmailed by the russians. >> that's a big question. >> why