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that it was carried out by a loan suicide bomber. he used an ied. the british prime minister condemned the attack. president trump condemned it, calling the terrorists behind it evil losers. we have it all covered. let's go to our correspondent live in manchester. one arrest made so far. two people involved, but there could be more, right? >> reporter: that's right, chris. and we don't know at this stage. we do know that the authorities have actually identified the bomber at this stage. they're not releasing anymore information about him. and this is as close as we can get to the arena itself. there is still a large police here as they comb through video evidence from closed circuit television cameras that would have been in operation and of course primarily looking at the
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explosive device itself. was the dna on it. could somebody have helped to build that bomb? these are the sorts of questions authorities are asking themselves. that venue was sold out, chris. it was full of young children. i have seen girls who were eye witnesses as young as eight and nine years old. aria that gran day very popular with the tween audience. >> what's going on? oh, my god! >> a deadly explosion rocking manchester arena in england. the blast sending panicked concert goers, including many young fans of pop singer aria
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gran day. >> you could see straight off were just -- just dead. >> police now investigating the incident as an act of terror, carried out by one male suicide bomber. >> we believe the attacker was carrying an improvised explosive device, which he detonated. >> he died on the scene at 10:33 p.m. as the concert ended. >> we struggle to comprehend the what wered and twisted mind that sees a room packed with young children not as a scene to cherish, but as an opportunity for carnage. >> reporter: parents screaming, frantically searching for their children. >> there was children crying, trying to get in contact with
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the parents. there was parents on their phones who obviously were upset. they were crying trying to get in contact with the kids. but it was just an awful, awful thing to witness. >> reporter: the attack leaving many traumatized, especially the children. >> she's just petrified that whatever did that would come to the house or would go to her school. she's just -- she's devastated. at ten years old to witness something like that is just horrific. >> reporter: one mother in anguish pleading for help finding her missing 15-year-old daughter. >> it is the most horrible thing ever that you can't find her. you don't know if she's dead or alive. i don't know how people can do this to innocent children. >> reporter: the city left reel from the tragedy. >> manchester will make sure we
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turn this into a strength for our city by working together. >> reporter: and we have heard multiple reports of people in this community all throughout the night offering people free rides home, offering people to stay in their homes for the night if they couldn't get back to their own homes. and since we have been standing here, there have been groups of people coming out handing out to police officers and journalists snack packs, coke, drinks, water. i have been covering terror attacks for too long now and i haven't seen anything quite like the kindness and community spirit that we are seeing on display here in manchester, in spite of this hideous attack. >> this is really telling about how that community is coming together today. thank you for that. thousands of children and teenagers were in the crowd at the ariana grande concert. we now know they are among the dead and wounded. we're at the infirmary where
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many victims are being treated. what is the latest there? >> reporter: well, this hospital is one of eight hospitals treating some 59 victims of this horrific attack. this hospital, though, is one of the closest to the arena where the explosion took place. it also has a children's hospital, which is adjacent, which is perhaps why so many of the media have gathered here today. and they are waiting for a hospital update. let me let the camera pan over that way. very shortly, we are expecting hospital officials to come out and brief the media on the sort of casualties they're seeing, the age range of the casualties. so far authorities have been very tight lipped with those details. what we know we know from theresa may who said many of the victims are suffering from life threatening injuries. many of the victims, she said, are sadly children. now, i arrived here overnight in
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the small hours of the morning and you defer nitly got a sense that it was all hands on deck here at the hospital. they actually closed the hospital to normal patients, administering to critical patients only. hospital officials say they do have emergency plans in place for this sort of thing. but how do you prepare for an attack that targets children? >> thank you very much for that reporting. we'll check back as developments warrant. let's bring in our panel to discuss it. joining us, paul and phil mud. the fact that investigators have already arrested someone, a 23-year-old man south manchester, what does that tell you about the pace of this investigation? >> as soon i don't sas you get the pace is going to accelerate. so the people who are investigating this are fanning
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out. you can expect the number of people that are going to be questioned and detained is going to increase dramatically. that doesn't mean people people are all guilty. you can't afford to sit around for a day and say maybe he's involved and maybe he's not. there is a couple of phases of this. you are not only looking at whether there is conspirators or coconspirato coconspirators. i want to know money, who knew something. there is a second phase of this investigation of peemg who may have been aware that could take days or weeks to determine whether he was alone or not. >> there is something we haven't heard about yet and even though it's early it is probably a concern, whether or not the man involved, a 23-year-old arrested or anybody else were known to authorities, people who are on watch lists. that's also a sensitive consideration because it fuels suspicious that you should have known about these people. but the list in the u.s. is huge, let alone the uk, right?
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>> that's right. they are looking at thousands of people in the united kingdom on the radar screen because of their extremist activity. we've seen in past terrorism attacks and plots, people being already on the radar screen. we saw that in the westminster terror attack back in march. there is a new piece of information added to the mix. in the last few minutes isis put out a statement saying that the individual who carried out this attack was a soldier of the faith there. starting a degree of ownership over the fact. they are providing no proof whatsoever that they are behind this. it may be an opportunistic claim. that claim, u.s. counter terrorism agencies are aware of. a u.s. counter terrorism claim saying the claim was put out on
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an official isis television channel. sometimes they put this out on their news agency. in this case they put it out directly on their centrally controlled telegram channel, a statement describing a degree of ownership over this attack. but no proof whatsoever in their wording that they even knew who was responsible for were in contact with them. but they at the very least saying they inspired this. >> so what does that mean? that this is, could still be a loan wolf who was inspired? or if they are a soldier of this faith, does that suggest some sort of correspondence in contact? >> well, i would just add to what paul is saying, that isis is extremely opportunistic in situations like these. they almost always like to claim credit, whether or not they had a direct role in orchestrating the attack or not. i think we'll probably know more
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if this really was an isis coordinated attack, then you will be likely to see some sort of a yulology in one of their outline magazines for their attacker. they will know more information about him such as his name, whether he spent any time in iraq or syria. it is still too early to see whether this is isis being opportunistic or whether they had a central role in coordinating the attack. i will say that looking at the optics of it, it does have the hallmarks of a lot of isis attacks. and i say that because even there are a few terrorist groups who will stoop to this level of depravity where you actively target young little girls and their families at a concert. i mean, we have seen isis target civilians and terrorist groups across the world. but this seems to have particularly targeted children. why would you target children?
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well, part of the reason you do that is to precipitate a huge outpouring, a reaction, a backlash, anger, grief, rage and for isis, they want to sew the seeds of division. they want to spread this hatred, this perceived war of cultures between islam and the west. it is that that they are trying to do when they launch these types of attacks. still too early to say declaratively that it is an isis attack, but it does have the hallmarks of one. >> it also creates a lot of toward the people that do it. it is a coward's crime any way you look at it. the idea of whether or not this guy that did this was known to them, what does that mean? how is that helpful? >> let me help you explain how this works because there is one characteristic here that i don't think people understand, and
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that's the mindset of someone that conducts an operation like this. let's say you have 5,000 people under information. that's a daily triage operation which sits on i'd estimate at least ten time it is threat we sit on here in the united states. every day you are making a decision, who gets surveillance, phone coverage. while you're doing that, if this person was a radar, you have to make a decision that's impossible. whether somebody is triggered some day in a way they weren't two weeks ago, by a friend they talked about on the internet, to switch from thinking about an operation to acting. so while you're doing that triage every day, how are you supposed to know if 5,000 people which of those people are going to do this in manchester. you can't triage that number of people and estimate what their intent is every day without an occasional mistake. >> paul, just going back to your reporting that isis has now
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claimed responsibility, cnn is of course trying to claim that as well. in terms of the investigation, it's the different veins it will take now, the money is always a key concern. if it's a loan wolf, does it cost much money to prepare this kind of explosive device? would he have had to have support from somewhere? >> it depends on how sophisticated the device was, how powerful the device was. the more sophisticated and powerful the device was, the more likely some kind of network might be behind this. but we've seen instances in the past where you've had essentially one man bomb making, plotting operations. we saw that a decade ago here in the u.k. with a wanna-be suicide
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bomber. we saw that in germany over the summer last year and very recently in september of 2016 with those devices left behind planted in chelsea, those very powerf fuful devices in new yor city. that was one individual as well in that case that managed to put together those devices. we'll have to see whether there was a network behind this. but cnn, we are reporting now there has been this statement put out by isis, by the isis central command over their official telegram channel asserting that this individual was a soldier of that faith. but they provide no evidence of that whatsoever and they have made opportunistic claims. for example, after an attack
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here in london, that attack on the westminster bridge, they also claimed responsibility soon after that. but there has been no evidence that there is any link between that individual and isis yet. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. >> up next, president trump on his first major trip overseas. he cannot shake the shadow of the russia investigation. there is more happening every day, seemingly every hour on this. republican senator marco rubio is going to join us with his take next. we're all about making things simpler for you. like, imagine having your vehicle serviced... from the comfort of your own home. introducing complimentary lincoln pickup and delivery servicing. because the most important luxury of all... is time. pickup and delivery servicing on the entire family of lincoln luxury vehicles including a complimentary lincoln loaner.
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sglfrmgts two big stories this morning. an arrest has just been made in the deadly manchester attack. and president trump addressing. joining us now to talk about it is marco rubio. he is on the senate intel committee. senator, thanks for being here. >> thank you. good morning. >> isis has just claimed responsibility, online at least for this terror attack last night at the ariana grande concert. is there anything the u.s. can do? >> i think we have to be caution about the term loan wolf. this is clearly inspired by them. this is the kind of attack they have been calling for and you are going to see more of these attempts as they lose territory. their ability to coordinate an attack, send somebody over there with a specific plan continues
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to erode. their ability to inspire people on line, they're telling people find soft targets, kill as many people as you can, be willing to die in the operation. so obviously i think the eradication of going after their ability to continue to inspire on line is a part of our effort. but there has to be a rejection of this ideology. and what i think the president is beginning to do in saudi arabia. >> the president is in israel this morning and he's talking about attempting a peace process. so let me just play for you what president trump has said about this. >> the palestinians are ready to reach for peace. i know you have heard it before. i am telling you that's what i do. they are ready to reach for peace. >> do you think that it will
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be -- president trump has suggested at time this is is what he does. it will be easier than people think. >> well, it won't be easier. i think it is a noble endeavor. every american people has tried it and there is a reason it doesn't happen. the israelis would love to have peace. the fundament problem we have here is the definition of peace. how do you define peace? if peace means israel can no longer retain their jewish state or give up control of jerusalem, if that's peace, that's not going to happen. so from the palestinian leadersh leadership's perspective, i don't think their definition of peace fits within what most of us at least here in congress and in the united states find as peace. and that's always been a problem. and i think it is a very noble endeavor. i think the white house and president needs to be careful in an effort to make things better we end up making things worse. it is my view the conditions for
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the sort of peace we all desire do not exist and therefore we need to try to begin to create those conditions, more prosperity, more security and then reach a point where there is the opportunity to go further. but again i hope i'm wrong. i hope there is an agreement. i truly do. but i'm not optimistic. >> let's talk about what's going on here at home and the russia probe. u.s. officials have told cnn that not only did president trump press then fbi director comey to publically state that he saw no collusion, he also pressed the directors of national security agency and national intelligence to do the same. how serious is this to you? >> well, we have to confirm that that's what actually happened. and i'm not disputing that it did. it goes further in my mind as a member of the intelligence committee than just the focus on the russia investigation. i think it goes into the nature
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of the work and thing executive branch in the presidency. i understand that they are on the hill today testifying. i know for a fact they are going to be asking this question in a public forum. we'll see what they say. i can guarantee you the intelligence committee i sit on that has oversight will be asking this question. and for me the fundamental question is did this happen and, if so, what impact did it have on the intelligence community's impact to the president. again, i understand that the public wants to know. but i also think we have an environment now in the executive branch where the president and the people around them are potentially caution or afraid because they don't know know what the people -- they don't trust the people around them. they know someone in that building is leaking things to the press. so we've got a broader issue here, and that is the ability of the intelligence community to
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function for its most important client, the president of the united states. >> is it obstruction of justice in your mind? if this happened as reported, is it obstruction of justice? >> i'm not prepared to opine on because i don't know all the facts behind it. for me, someone that's sitting on the intelligence committee, it is important to not go in and make public pronouncement. that's what got chairman nunes in trouble. but in my mind, our job and that's why most of the members of the intelligence committee are so caution about what that they say, it is not we're trying to evade it, it's we don't want there to be any doubt we took our work seriously, that we didn't go in with any preconceived notions, but that we looked at the facts and reported them as facts. i don't want there to be an intelligence committee report that sits out there and people doubt. we can't afford to have an open question here. but suffice it to say we want to
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know all the facts. we want to lay them out to the american people and then i think we could make clear judgments on what happened or what didn't happen. that's really important for the country, the sooner the better. >> senator, every day, there seems to be some sort of new bombshell. for lack of a better word, whether it's calling the director of the fbi publically a nutjob, whether it is divulging classified information to the russians, every day there is something that grips the news cycle, and i would assume keeps lawmakers from sort of getting their jobs done. is this what you expected? i know that you said recently what did people expect when they hired donald trump, when they voted for donald trump? this is how he ran his campaign. but is this the level of what you expected? >> i'm not sure. he's not a politician, that's pretty clear. so he's not operating by the conventional rules that presidents have up to this point. he didn't run a conventional
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campaign. he's not running -- he's not president as a poll iiticiapoli. there are aspects of that that are very positive. thinkty white house has to system miez a little bit and get a bit more conventional, and that includes the president. but i think we also have to begin to talk a little bit about the people within the executive branch that are leaking some of this information. there are appropriate venues in this which to do that. they can bring that to law enforcement. i'm not criticizing whistle blowers, but i think we have an issue now. if i'm sitting in the oval office, sitting there working for the president, i'm worried about what i'm saying and so are foreign leaders. they're concerned their words are going to be leaking out. that's a big problem, too. it impedes our ability to contact national security in a way that's good for the country. we have a lot of moving pieces here. this is less than ideal. obviously, this is a big problem and hopefully we could begin to
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turn the corner here and part of it is the fact finding the intelligence committee will produce. i don't think anybody knew what to expect. but the president isn't a politician and you are seeing the good of that and the side problems that come with that, too. >> are you making an appeal to the people inside the white house who you just used the term whistle blowers to come and speak to your committee? >> if someone has information that they believe is damaging to to country, their first option should be to follow the proper authorities, whether it's the again council or the oversight that exists within your own agency. that exists now where there are independent individuals within the cia and other intelligence agencies you can go. i am not here to ask people not to talk to the press. i think the press plays an important function in all of this. i'm telling you i have no doubt this is having an impact on our ability to contact national security operations because of the growing level of mistrust
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that must exist when you are in a room and you don't know where these notes or where these comments are going to wind up in the newspaper in 48 hours. i imagine everyone is looking over their shoulder and wondering who is doing this. so again it's very complicated situation, and we hope to bring some clarity to it in our work. >> marco rubio, thank you so much for your time. >> we have senator joe manchin will join us live and what you heard senator rubio talking about is the big concern here, the leaks of the information or the information that we're learning all the time about this white house. next. go to great lengths to find relief. finally there's drug-free aleve direct therapy®. a tens device with high intensity power that uses technology once only available in doctors' offices for deep penetrating relief at the source. aleve direct therapy.
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we're following two big stories this morning. a terror attack at a concert in manchester, england. back home here we have growing developments into the russia probe. joining us is joe manchin. he is a member of the intel committee. senator, thank you for joining us. obviously you do a lot of work in the committee on
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intelligence. when you hear about the terror threat that we're dealing with at home and then you see what happened in manchester, what is your greatest concern? >> first it is good to be with you, chris. next of all when you see these horrific news stories coming out and my heart goes out to the families and all those who lost their lives, to the families and those who have been injured, i understand there is a quite a few on unknown status at this time. it is horrific. it explains to people and the united states of america why we're so intertwined and dependant on our intelligence. the intelligence, if we gather accurately, the intel community in the united states of america, working with the u.k. and other allies work 24/7 trying to keep us safe. you're going to have these horrific accidents and horrific tragedies being committed. but our intelligence committee is someone we have to put trust in.
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i think it even shows the importance of why we should be working closer together, why we should be giving them the tools they need and basically encourage this interaction that we have among the international intelligence community. >> well, we'll see what happens going forward with that relationship. it is obviously evolving with a new administration, but the need is clearly great. let's talk about the investigating that's going on back here at home. what do you make of these reports that donald trump went to the head of the dni and head of nsa and asked them to come out and say there is no evidence of collusion? >> chris, these are all troubling. they keep coming day after day after day. we need to get these reports into the intelligence committee, into the professional staffs. we can dissect and look at it and tell what's real or not real and move from there. you would think that people would want to clear this up. if you're innocent, if you have nothing to hide, if you have no involvement of any way, shape or form, make sure people come
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forth. let's get a clarity to this. that's what we're there for. and the american people need to have trust. and i want to make sure that they should have trust in the senate intelligence committee because we're not on the so-called witch hunt. that will not happen in this committee. we will go wherever the intel facts take us. that should take us to the truth and the truth basically sets a direction of course that you have to take. >> senator, what does it mean to you that comey had an opportunity while testifying to talk about who was impeding his investigation? he was asked in the context of the doj, but he could have said whatever he wanted. you just have the heads of the dni and nsa before your commit tee. they had an opportunity to talk about this issue generally and specifically. does that make you question how intense the pressure was they felt from the president? >> well, it makes you think and consider how uncomfortable they were setting in the setting in front of us in an open and closed session in the intelligence committee i don't recall anyone asking the direct
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question of what information came out. but if there was something to be said, you would have thought in the course of a information, especially in a closed intel when there is no one there but us and our staff, that some of this could have been discussed. it hasn't. so it leads us to where we want to know where. we want them to come back. we want to make sure they give us all the records they have. and let's put an end to this one way or another. you know, i have said this. if you are innocent, help us let you prove that you're innocent. don't make us work on the presumption that you're guilty. that's pretty simple. >> who are you talking about with that statement? >> i'm talking about anybody and everybody that's been mentioned. i want to get clarity to this. from the president on down, get this behind. if you have people that basically were involved and there has been a compromising of any way, shape or form of our united states of america, our government, our way of life, we're not going to tolerate it. and the rule of law applies to
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all of us. a person who is having hard times could be homeless right now to the top of the food chain. no one is going to be immune from the rule of law in america. >> what does it mean to you that michael flynn may take the fifth. >> it is not the michael flynn i knew way back when. michael came before us many times in his role as the general and spoke about the things he was working on, security he was involved with, came before the armed services committee. and now for him to take this direction, that's not the michael flynn i knew before. i don't know what happened, but i would say to mr. flynn, please, mr. flynn, come forward and work with us. don't make us pull everything out tooth by tooth. >> marco rubio was just on. he said i'll tell you what concerns me, it is not just these reports but their sources. could compromising national security, could make foreign leaders not want to work with us. what has come out that has compromised national kosecurity?
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>> i guess the old saying that loose lips sink ships and people are concerned can they trust us. >> but that applies to the president. he's the one that may or may not have leaked sensitive information in the media. not the media, not for these leaks. >> the media? >> who knows whether or not the white house would have operated on michael phone line. we wouldn't have heard about these conversations with the dni and the nsa. are the leaks the problem here? >> the those people who have this information that the so-called leaks are coming from, come and leak it to the intelligence committee. come and leak it to the staff that has the ability to go through the sources to find out if they are credible or not. don't play them out in the news media, which they are and you all are doing your job and ta's exactly what you should be doing. but if they want to get to the source of the problem and clear this mess up and get some
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confidence back in the american public that this government can function and protect them, we took an oath. all of us took the same oath. so i would say to all those who have sensitive information come to us. we'd love to have you. if you want to come before us, come before us. if you want to give us the information, give it to us and let it sort it out. but we have a professional staff that could sort it out. >> the reporting we get helps to action motivate action in government. thank you for joining us. >> chris, you got us motivated and i appreciate the job you are doing. i'm asking everyone to help us do our job better and get clarity on this. >> understood. thank you very much. >> chris, we will have the latest in the deadly terror attack. we will hear from a teenager who was there.
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we are following breaking news. isis claiming responsibility for the terror attack in manchester, england. the terror attack killed 22 people so far. dozens more are injured. the explosion happened at the end of the ariana grande concert. officers have arrested a
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23-year-old man in connection with this bombing. they believe it was carried out by a suicide bomber who blew up an ied at the scene. police believe they know the attackers identity. they are not releasing it at this time. >> well, jessica is a teenager who traveled from liverpool, her home, to manchester to see ariana grande perform last night and she was in the manchester arena when this attack struck. jessica and her mom join us now. we're so happy to see that you are safe. tell us what happened right as the concert ended and the chaos started. what did you see and hear? >> well, she just left and basically every time you want to leave the arena, you have to climb a set amount of steps which lead to out into the main area to exit the arena itself.
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and, so, everybody was just leaving out of their seat and i think everybody was just lining up until we heard like the first explosion. and, honestly, nobody knew what it was at the time and a lot of people thought it was -- i just remember seeing screams and just seeing everybody crying and, you know, just running. >> and was -- i mean, obviously there was so much panic when you heard those sounds that you thought was a gun. was there a stampede? >> oh, yeah. definitely. people were climbing up the bleachers there. and i lost a friend at the time who i was with and i got really, really worried because everybody was just in such a rush to leave, to get themselves out and safe. and people were just climbing
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off the higher areas just to escape. >> did you find your friend? >> yeah, i did. >> so jennie, when you heard that something terrible had happened at this concert, what was going on with you? how quickly were you able to connect then with jessica? >> she phoned me at the time when it happened and i thought she was excited because she had met air yan that gran day. i was shocked. and then she just said bombs exploded, something has exploded. and i was just out of my mind because obviously i wasn't there. i was in a different city. i just wanted to get there and be with her. >> oh, my gosh. that's so terrifying.
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jessica, this was supposed to be a dream come true for you. you were going to meet air yan that gran day and you did that and then all of this exploded. >> yeah. i mean, it is an 18th present for me because i met her a couple years ago. i really wanted to be able to have the chance to see her again. and, so, it was a present from my family for my 18th and it just seemed to turn to like the worst nightmare you can think of. >> yeah. well, jessica, take care of yourself. obviously, it takes a long time to be able to recover, even if you are not physically injured. and jennie, we're so glad you are reunited with your daughter there. thank you both for taking the time to talk to us about what happened last night. >> thank you. >> chris? >> what a thing to live through. but at least she's one of the lucky ones. the president's trip in israel
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president trump is about to depart for israel and head to
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rome. new reports are dogging him about the russia probe. is he going to escape the cloud of controversy while abroad. will the trip abroad help boost him back home? let's discuss. the bottom line from chris cillizza. first, how has he done? what will it mean back here at home? >> i think he's done fine, chris. as long as he stays on script and reads the
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new tums chewy bites. . this is cnn breaking news. >> good morning, everyone. i'm poppy harlow. >>ened i'm john berman. breaking news after last night's horrific attack in manchester england. that concert filled with teenagers and children. this morning isis claimed responsibility and at this moment police are conducting raids in connection with this bombing that killed at least 22 people, including children. >> and we just learned the identity of two of those young victims. an eight-year-old girl described by those who love her as simply a beautiful little girl in every aspect of the world. also an 18-year-old girl.

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